Vikings-Bears outdoors @ TCF next Monday! (1 Viewer)

[Buck Bradcanon]

Zero degrees with a wind chill of MINUS 18 degrees.

Dont know how you folks do it. Much respect.:southtexas:

 

[Kleck]

Love the history lessons CletiusMaximus and Sudsy.

 

[shader]

Good job Packer fans. You seem to be owning this debate.

Any Vikings guys want to chime in with anything?

 

[tietzjd]

Good job Packer fans. You seem to be owning this debate.Any Vikings guys want to chime in with anything?

Yes Vikings fans have enough common sense not fill up thread on subject that is not in the subject line of the thread.This Thread is about Vikings and Bears outdoors at TCF next Monday not the Packers and Vikings.

 

[Rogi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5922532

Vikings looking for volunteers to help shovel out the Gopher's stadium? Is the Vikings organization really this pathetic? They should be lucky that fans are still watching the games the way they've played this year. As much as a disappointment as they've been, maybe the Vikings should be offering to shovel fans' driveways and sidewalks instead.

 

[snogger]

Since they will be attending.. What the hell, let's go with a TRUE throwback game!!

Throw in Fran Tarkenton at QB again and let Bud Grant coach!!!!

 

[Sudsy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5922532

Vikings looking for volunteers to help shovel out the Gopher's stadium? Is the Vikings organization really this pathetic? They should be lucky that fans are still watching the games the way they've played this year. As much as a disappointment as they've been, maybe the Vikings should be offering to shovel fans' driveways and sidewalks instead.

They should check with the Packers on how they clear Lambeau.

The Packers put out a call for shovelers. They pay what, I forget, $15 per hour. Drunks, ne'er-do-wells, and people who smell of fish while wearing the nonedible parts of animals show up, people like me, Packer Fans. Braced by Brandy and Schnapps the fans wonder into the stands. There, slides are set up so that snow shoveled once from the stands and deposited in the slides, slides down to the field right into waiting transport. It is fast and efficient. Clearing a stadium is no big deal. The Vikes used to know this, but have forgotten.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They should check with the packers on how they clear Lambeau.

The Packers put out a call for shovelers. They pay what, I forget, $15 per hour. Drunks, ne'erdowells, and people who smell of fish show up, people like me, Packer Fans. Braced by Brandy and Schnapps the fans wonder into the stands. There, slides are set up so that snow shoveled once from the stands and deposited in the slides, slides down to the field right into waiting transport. It is fast and efficient. Clearing a stadium is no big deal. The Vikes used to know this, but have forgotten.

After that...BOY do I wish Minneapolis was more like Green Bay.

 

[Sudsy]

They should check with the packers on how they clear Lambeau.

The Packers put out a call for shovelers. They pay what, I forget, $15 per hour. Drunks, ne'erdowells, and people who smell of fish show up, people like me, Packer Fans. Braced by Brandy and Schnapps the fans wonder into the stands. There, slides are set up so that snow shoveled once from the stands and deposited in the slides, slides down to the field right into waiting transport. It is fast and efficient. Clearing a stadium is no big deal. The Vikes used to know this, but have forgotten.

After that...BOY do I wish Minneapolis was more like Green Bay.

A few hundred hearty drunks can finish the job before they even sober up, if they are properly supplied and organized.Were it me I'd hit a couple of Irish Pubs over in St. Paul. I'd look for members of King Boreas' court and for Vulcans ( A reference that makes sense if you are from there). I'd load these guys into buses and have the thing done before the Irish stop singing. (That is a sign that they are about to start fighting unless they immediately get whiskey)

 

[This_Guy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5922532

Vikings looking for volunteers to help shovel out the Gopher's stadium? Is the Vikings organization really this pathetic? They should be lucky that fans are still watching the games the way they've played this year. As much as a disappointment as they've been, maybe the Vikings should be offering to shovel fans' driveways and sidewalks instead.

The ESPN article uses the word "volunteers" but they are really looking for people that they will pay.....or at least were. Earlier the Vikings had a article on their site with a schedule saying they would pay $10-$15 an hour for people to shovel. They have since taken it down. I wonder if the legalities of doing that were too cumbersome.

 

[Raider Nation]

Zero degrees with a wind chill of MINUS 18 degrees.

Dont know how you folks do it. Much respect.:southtexas:

I was pumping gas last night for two minutes in -5 degree weather and I wanted to freakin die. And I was *layered* in sweatshirts. I got to thinking how absolutely insane it is for these guys to be able to stand there for three hours in minus-degree weather with no sleeves on, let alone play the game effectively. It's mind-blowing, no matter HOW much money they're making.

Watching the 70s Vikes play in the frigid cold and snow at The Met is the reason why they are my 2nd-favorite team. Love that crew... it was sad to see them move inside.

 

[Raider Nation]

It would be sweet to see them take the filed in those old throw back capes they once wore on the sidelines.

I would be 8 years old again.

 

[Tom Servo]

Had to love the crawl on ESPN this morning. "Metrodome ruled out for Monday's Vikings - Bears game"...like the stadium tore a hammy or something.

 

[Raider Nation]

Had to love the crawl on ESPN this morning. "Metrodome ruled out for Monday's Vikings - Bears game"...like the stadium tore a hammy or something.

LOL.Okay, stupid question of the day. They obviously need a new roof anyway. Why not just rip it off and play there Monday night? Not enough time to do that?

 

[Sudsy]

Had to love the crawl on ESPN this morning. "Metrodome ruled out for Monday's Vikings - Bears game"...like the stadium tore a hammy or something.

LOL.Okay, stupid question of the day. They obviously need a new roof anyway. Why not just rip it off and play there Monday night? Not enough time to do that?

The roof supports the lighting and sound equipment. there would be no lights and no P.A. It protects the Scoreboards which are not made for exposure to the elements. Seats, field, and boxes are also not designed for exposure to Minnesota winters. Without the roof the plumbing in the building would possibly be exposed to freezing.

They are moving the slide. They put it between two sections. Each row has two people walk down it. The first wipes the snow from the seats, the second shovels it over to the slide, the snow goes on the slide down to the front end loaders and is hauled away. Takes only a few minuts to clean a section of snow this way,The field is done with tractor mounted brushes. the snow is gently swept to the sideline track where it can be scooped with front end loaders. No damage to the field turf as the size of the equipment on th efield is not industrial, but rather more the size of large yard equipment.

 

[tietzjd]

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=893675

Dome not only will not be ready, but the roof is now failing in other places. All Crews pulled out until they can inspect the roof panel by panel to verify it's safe to work on the dome.

 

[Premier]

That entire doom roof is destroyed. Gotta be expensive to put a new one on, no? Even for next year...

 

[flapgreen]

Wow. Can't remember a game this cold in a while. :shiver:

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

As much as I dislike that joke of a franchise and their lame, fair-weather fans, I would be happy for them to get an outdoor home game again after their long nightmare in that absurd dome.

If it happens, here are a few tips for those who weren't around when Coach Grant was on the sidelines:

1. Leave the goldilocks wigs at home; they won't keep you warm in real football weather.

2. Pumping artificial noise and incessantly blowing a fake horn has little effect when you play outside. Best to forget those gimmicks.

3. Leave the cheer-babes at home. They are awesome I know - I love them all - but they have no place at a real football venue and won't hold up well. Plus, its hard to show off your camel-toe through snowpants.

4. Rather than tying your cotton sweater from the GAP around your neck, you'll want to actually put it on. Better yet, leave the cotton at home and get some wool.

5. I know this will ruin over half the Vikings fans' primary method of showing their team spirit, but be advised that layers of face paint don't work well in negative windchills.

6. When the temps dip into single digits and below, a general rule for gameday meals:

Sushi > bad

Brats > good

Very interesting.Can someone "unpack" the Vikes-Packers rivalry for a guy that has been to Wisconsin once and never been to Minnesota?

Are the Packers the "real football fans, real men, real tradition", and the Minnesota people the pretentious city slickers/girly-men/faux tradition/built a dome to appease the wuss fans? Fair assessment from a Packers fan perspective?

Any comebacks from the Vikings fans?

Before there were the Vikings there were the Packers. Pro Football fans in Minnesota related to the Packers and were strong supporters of the team, it being closest to many of them geographically and culturally. The grandparents of current Vikings fans were Packer Fans.

Then came the Vikes. They needed identity to obtain fans, and to cause Minnesotans who were Packer fans to become Vikings fans. The obvious way to do so was to emulate the toughness of the greatest franschise the NFL had known. They brought in Bud Grant. They played hardnosed ball out doors at the Met. They were bloody, marauding Norsemen and they won fans.

Throughout the 60's the Vikiigs successes paled in regard to the Packers. Nothing unusual there, no franchise of that time or since has dominated a decade as did the Packers. Still, by the end of the decade the Vikings had won respect of their fans and of Packer fans.

The Packers faded after Lombardi left and the Vikings were ascendant. They had some great teams and were gaining respect around the league and in Wisconsin. Having been sort of the little brother though, some of their fans thought they wre not getting the respect they deserved. They got aggressive about things and demanded that the past be recognized as dead and buried, and that the then present be the only reality. They claimed a rivalalry starting when they were temporarily on top. They claimed superiority to cement identity. The problem was Packer fans thought claims needed to be backed up by titles and not season records. Instantly we had a rivalry of words. Viking fans were always accusing Packer Fans of pointing to titles dead and past while they wanted to point to on the field dominence during the decade.

When families argue, and make no mistake at one time this was a family of fans, things get ugly. The shame of it was that many Packer fans greatly respected the product the Vikings had produced, and many were sure that eventually the Vikings would get their titles using the Packer formula of defense, running, and hardnosed cold weather football. God, how could you not respect Page, Eller, Marshall and Larsen? How could you not love Chuck Foreman? Even as rivals you had to respect that.

The Vikings never got their titles. They lost Grant, went indoors, and more or less turned their backs on their heritage and the region's heritage. They went to Jerry Burns and Les Steckle and quiche eating in indoor comfort. Their fans had no choice but to go along, but Packer Fans raised on the heritage of outdoor football had nothing but disdain for that direction. They expressed it. Viking fans were sensitive about that as many of them would have preferred sticking with their heritage but choices were thrust upon them. Trash talk was exchanged. At first more or less in gest, but the arguments always stayed the same, and the truth in the talk started to hurt as nuggets of truth were contained. (The Packers had not done #### in decades. The Vikings had lost their swagger and had never accomplished the ultimate goal.) Eventually sensitivities forgot similarilties and the talk became tiresome. Nerves were gotton on and dislike formed were once there was commonality and respect.

Basically it is a family feud. Fewer of us are alive now who remember the commonality and respect and more who remember only the exchange of taunts. It's sad really because I love the Lombardi Packers and many of their teams since. My next love, however, is for how those 70's vikes played ball. Frankly had they not the misfortune of two other great francises and teams being at their zenith the decade would have been thiers. My memories of those teams are now fading, buried under an avalanche of petty, bitter words. The only legacy that can ever really be created from trash talking, though at the time people often think it fun.

Here in this forum we have marvelous examples of a legacy of bitterness from a generation of trash talk. Many here cannot see the others for what they are, and they only live to tear down the others, not to enjoy their own teams.

Its a sad ###-for-tat family feud. Childish, bitter, destructive. I suppose it will lessen when the Vikings get their first title, or when the franchise leaves and they have to determne whether to cheer for a team more or less from the region, or one which abandoned them without ever giving them that one sweet taste of glory.

Holy ####. Great writing.

All I can say is that a team should hope to embody its city. The Minnesota Vikings of Joe Kapp need to come back; you can be great again Minnesota, demand outdoor football.

Really, what would you in Minnesota give to return to the Super Bowl?

Would you sit in that insane weather to do it? You can redeem yourselves, bring it back.

Minnesota needs this. Maybe America needs it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

LOL. That really doesn't appear to be a model of efficiency.

 

[flapgreen]

What are those people carrying?

 

[DoubleG]

You might want to change the title of the thread.

I'm hearing on local radio (Brad Biggs) that TCF is HARDLY a done deal and actually there ar numerous problems (many of which wouldn't be an issue if they moved the game to a domed NFL stadium:

1) 64k tickets sold. TCF holds 50k

2) No heating coils under the field (all outdoor NFL stadiums have heating coils underneath). Apparently there is a layer of ice underneath the snow on the field - it's removal (and maintaining it that way until and through the game) could be a major issue - and one that the Players Assoc. might be involved in.

3) The already known issues about the stadium, plumbing, concession stands not being designed to handle temps below 30 degrees.

4) NO BEER TAPS!!!

5) Suite holders for the University, by law, have a "right of first refusal" for ANY event at the stadium - meaning, that many Viking suite holders could get screwed out of seats as well. These are not $100/ticket average fans either - these are "I didn't get my way...I'm suing"-types.

There are other issues as well, that I'm sure I forgot - but being at TCF is NOT a done deal. The NFL hasn't approved as they have been at owner's meetings earlier this week.

Don't suprised if this game is playing in Indy, Detroit or Atlanta. Just saying.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

come on back to detroit, Id love to see another free MNF game.

 

[Sudsy]

That is a slide. They move it section to section, fill it with snow so the snow slides strat down into the buckets of the front end loaders. It takes about two minutes to move the slide. It is light, being made of aluminum. Once in place there are shovelers and sweepers for each row on each side of the slide. Basically it is placed between two sections. With each row being cleared at the same time it only takes a few minutes to clear a section of stadium.

 

[snogger]

You might want to change the title of the thread. I'm hearing on local radio (Brad Biggs) that TCF is HARDLY a done deal and actually there ar numerous problems (many of which wouldn't be an issue if they moved the game to a domed NFL stadium:1) 64k tickets sold. TCF holds 50k2) No heating coils under the field (all outdoor NFL stadiums have heating coils underneath). Apparently there is a layer of ice underneath the snow on the field - it's removal (and maintaining it that way until and through the game) could be a major issue - and one that the Players Assoc. might be involved in.3) The already known issues about the stadium, plumbing, concession stands not being designed to handle temps below 30 degrees. 4) NO BEER TAPS!!!5) Suite holders for the University, by law, have a "right of first refusal" for ANY event at the stadium - meaning, that many Viking suite holders could get screwed out of seats as well. These are not $100/ticket average fans either - these are "I didn't get my way...I'm suing"-types.There are other issues as well, that I'm sure I forgot - but being at TCF is NOT a done deal. The NFL hasn't approved as they have been at owner's meetings earlier this week.Don't suprised if this game is playing in Indy, Detroit or Atlanta. Just saying.

#1 Can't be even a small part of the issue.. So because TCF can only hold 50k, we will move it to Detroit where only a few hundred ticket holders will travel too?? #2 Legitimate point and maybe the one reason it is moved.#3 - Concession stands are the only concern that I have read and they are installing Plexiglas on the front window area to keep the heat in the area.#4 - Who cares.. -20 Wind Chills say you'll want instead.#5 - Again, too bad to sad. Vikings will refund their money much like last week so no Lawsuits. Should have a definite answer today from what I've heard.

 

[urbanhack]

The frozen field also seems to be a concern. They did not install heating coils under this field.

 

[Hang 10]

You might want to change the title of the thread. I'm hearing on local radio (Brad Biggs) that TCF is HARDLY a done deal and actually there ar numerous problems (many of which wouldn't be an issue if they moved the game to a domed NFL stadium:1) 64k tickets sold. TCF holds 50k2) No heating coils under the field (all outdoor NFL stadiums have heating coils underneath). Apparently there is a layer of ice underneath the snow on the field - it's removal (and maintaining it that way until and through the game) could be a major issue - and one that the Players Assoc. might be involved in.3) The already known issues about the stadium, plumbing, concession stands not being designed to handle temps below 30 degrees. 4) NO BEER TAPS!!!5) Suite holders for the University, by law, have a "right of first refusal" for ANY event at the stadium - meaning, that many Viking suite holders could get screwed out of seats as well. These are not $100/ticket average fans either - these are "I didn't get my way...I'm suing"-types.There are other issues as well, that I'm sure I forgot - but being at TCF is NOT a done deal. The NFL hasn't approved as they have been at owner's meetings earlier this week.Don't suprised if this game is playing in Indy, Detroit or Atlanta. Just saying.

#1 Can't be even a small part of the issue.. So because TCF can only hold 50k, we will move it to Detroit where only a few hundred ticket holders will travel too?? #2 Legitimate point and maybe the one reason it is moved.#3 - Concession stands are the only concern that I have read and they are installing Plexiglas on the front window area to keep the heat in the area.#4 - Who cares.. -20 Wind Chills say you'll want instead.#5 - Again, too bad to sad. Vikings will refund their money much like last week so no Lawsuits. Should have a definite answer today from what I've heard.

Are you really suggesting that there's a temperature too cold for beer?

 

[Jobber]

I don't see beer taps as an issue. They can sell the plastic bottles instead. I think they already do at the Vikings or Twolves (or Twins,?) games I was at last.

 

[Gigantomachia]

You might want to change the title of the thread. I'm hearing on local radio (Brad Biggs) that TCF is HARDLY a done deal and actually there ar numerous problems (many of which wouldn't be an issue if they moved the game to a domed NFL stadium:1) 64k tickets sold. TCF holds 50k2) No heating coils under the field (all outdoor NFL stadiums have heating coils underneath). Apparently there is a layer of ice underneath the snow on the field - it's removal (and maintaining it that way until and through the game) could be a major issue - and one that the Players Assoc. might be involved in.3) The already known issues about the stadium, plumbing, concession stands not being designed to handle temps below 30 degrees. 4) NO BEER TAPS!!!5) Suite holders for the University, by law, have a "right of first refusal" for ANY event at the stadium - meaning, that many Viking suite holders could get screwed out of seats as well. These are not $100/ticket average fans either - these are "I didn't get my way...I'm suing"-types.There are other issues as well, that I'm sure I forgot - but being at TCF is NOT a done deal. The NFL hasn't approved as they have been at owner's meetings earlier this week.Don't suprised if this game is playing in Indy, Detroit or Atlanta. Just saying.

This game will be played in Minny.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The frozen field also seems to be a concern. They did not install heating coils under this field.

i was not here yet, but i would love to know what the hell the vikings were thinking and why they didn't just make a deal to help expand gopher stadium to make it nfl approveable?? what was the logic on that one??

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

According to this mornings ajc, Atlanta might be a possibility

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/...-at-779089.html

 

[DoubleG]

The frozen field also seems to be a concern. They did not install heating coils under this field.

You slept in today, huh?Read the post about 90 minutes before yours (reason #2)

 

[artyshellz]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...f-bank-stadium/

Without the heating coils the field will be like concrete, with all the issues with head injuries and concussions they can't possibly play on that field.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Vikings are starting either Joe Webb or street free agent Patrick Ramsey.

Can't they just save us the embarrassment and forfeit?

 

[snogger]

The Vikings are starting either Joe Webb or street free agent Patrick Ramsey.Can't they just save us the embarrassment and forfeit?

I think it would be fun to see what Webb can do.. Can't be any worse than the way Favre played this year or TJ last week.

 

[DoubleG]

The Vikings are starting either Joe Webb or street free agent Patrick Ramsey.

Can't they just save us the embarrassment and forfeit?

Apparently Les Frasier said they want to keep the game in Minnesota "for their fans". Someone pointed out that that is the very reason they should allow the game to be played somewhere else. Haven't the fans been tormented enough?Detroit was thrown out as a possibility. Hasn't Detroit hosted enough bad football in the last week? 3 NFC North teams playing in Detroit last weekend scored a grand total of 13 points. (Heck, all 4 teams in the NFC North scored a combined 20 points last week).

Lambeau? Seriously? Who gets to leap? Ummm...no thank you.

I'd say Indy or Atlanta (at least in Atlanta the Vikes have a chance for a somewhat unbiased crowd).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Vikings are starting either Joe Webb or street free agent Patrick Ramsey.Can't they just save us the embarrassment and forfeit?

I think it would be fun to see what Webb can do.. Can't be any worse than the way Favre played this year or TJ last week.

Please. At this stage of his development you absolutely know what Webb can do and it is definitely worse than Favre/TJ.

 

[snogger]

The Vikings are starting either Joe Webb or street free agent Patrick Ramsey.Can't they just save us the embarrassment and forfeit?

I think it would be fun to see what Webb can do.. Can't be any worse than the way Favre played this year or TJ last week.

Please. At this stage of his development you absolutely know what Webb can do and it is definitely worse than Favre/TJ.

Why so down?? I thought the "Super Bowl or bust" notion at the beginning of the year was a joke. Sure I was after 6 games as they were playing like crap.. but now.. This is the FUN time.. No tension, no finger nail biting, no getting .. Just sit back and watch Football.. This is the time to play Webb and others and for the Vikings to go out there and play for the fun of the game, nothing else.