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Vikings deal for McNabb--done deal (1 Viewer)

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The Washington Redskins and Minnesota Vikings have agreed on the parameters of a trade that would send QB Donovan McNabb to the Vikings. Working out the financial portion of restructuring McNabb's contract could be tricky, though.

Fantasy Tip: Where there is a will there is a way. Expect this deal to get done by the end of the week, and it makes sense for both parties. The Redskins are ready to wash their hands of the McNabb experiment, while the Vikes need a veteran passer to help teach Christian Ponder the ropes. The Vikings' receiving corps offers promise of fantasy success for McNabb if Sidney Rice returns. For now, consider McNabb a somewhat risky No. 2 with very mild potential for greater.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/...e#ixzz1TFpXIDmb

UPDATE:

According to Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, the Redskins have traded quarterback Donovan McNabb to the Minnesota Vikings for a 2012 sixth-round pick and a conditional 2013 sixth-round pick. This news had been dragging for a very long time because McNabb needed to restructure his contract. The Redskins gave McNabb a $10 million option bonus when they extended his contract last season. Rookie Christian Ponder was set to be the starter in Minnesota, but this move will put that on hold.

Fantasy Analysis:

A sixth round pick is all the Skins got for one of the great quarterbacks of this generation. That's what happens when you stick around just a little bit too long. This is a Fantasy situation best left untouched. While the Vikings have a great running game and nice set of receivers (assuming Sidney Rice returns), their offensive line isn't built to pass protect. The Vikings reached to select Ponder for a reason. They must've felt he was ready to play on Day 1. McNabb has only played a full 16-game season once in the last seven seasons so Ponder will more than likely get a shot to show what he can do.

Source: Comcast's Kelli Johnson via Twitter

 
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Makes a lot of sense. If the Vikings keep Rice then I expect to see McNabb at pre-Washington levels easily. As a Ponder owner in multiple leagues, I like giving him some time to sit and learn.

 
'JuSt CuZ said:
I heard its a done deal, if McNabb agrees to a new contract. Why wouldnt he?
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That question was basically asked to Jamie Dukes and his reply was that McNabb could be looking for a spot where he is the long term answer for the team. That is not the case with the Vikings as they will look to have him play now and groom Ponder. So, McNabb may decline a new contract with less money to go to a team that he will be a stop gap QB if he feels he can find a long term home where he is the unquestioned starter and likely have the unquestioned starter money.
 
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'Chadstroma said:
'JuSt CuZ said:
I heard its a done deal, if McNabb agrees to a new contract. Why wouldnt he?
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That question was basically asked to Jamie Dukes and his reply was that McNabb could be looking for a spot where he is the long term answer for the team. That is not the case with the Vikings as they will look to have him play now and groom Ponder. So, McNabb may decline a new contract with less money to go to a team that he will be a stop gap QB if he feels he can find a long term home where he is the unquestioned starter and likely have the unquestioned starter money.
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I don't think McNabb can afford to be that picky.
 
Don't think he's a huge upgrade from last year, but he's an improvement. He's a shadow of his former self, but he has a decent offense around him, so he could see some success once again.

I think it mostly hinges on whether Rice re-signs or not.

 
This is only a good signing if the deal is for no more than 2 years and cheap. I mean REAL cheap. Otherwise, I'd rather have Ponder start and have the Vikings get the highest draft pick they can. They aren't making the playoffs with or without McNabb this year.

 
This bumps up Peterson's value obviously, but how much? Should he be the #1 pick in redrafts over Arian Foster and Chris Johnson now?

 
'Chadstroma said:
'JuSt CuZ said:
I heard its a done deal, if McNabb agrees to a new contract. Why wouldnt he?
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That question was basically asked to Jamie Dukes and his reply was that McNabb could be looking for a spot where he is the long term answer for the team. That is not the case with the Vikings as they will look to have him play now and groom Ponder. So, McNabb may decline a new contract with less money to go to a team that he will be a stop gap QB if he feels he can find a long term home where he is the unquestioned starter and likely have the unquestioned starter money.
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35 (mid-season) may not be old for a QB, but McNabb isn't the long term answer for anything.
 
I'm still a McNabb believer. He had one crappy year playing for a new team and a psycho head coach.

I'll be buying low.

 
Not a bad deal. Not a fan of throwing Ponder to the wolves w/o full offseason.

McNabb's going to be viewed as a stop gap wherever he goes. It's up for him to prove he's more than that. Looked close to the end last year.

 
As a former McNabb fan, I think Donovan is an idiot if he accepts a reworked contract to facilitate this trade. He's going to be a low-paid stopgap in Minnesota, expected to mentor the guy who will eventually render him obsolete. Why not refuse to renegotiate his contract, thus forcing the Skins to release him? Even if he can't find a GM dumb enough (Al Davis?) to pay him as a starter, he'll likely have several teams interested in him as a veteran backup, so he can choose the situation he likes best.

But there will be a certain poetry at work if McNabb indeed lands with Minnesota... his career comes full circle, and he becomes Doug Pederson.

 
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What situations out there are better than MN? He's going to start Week 1, he's got the weapons to succeed (if Rice resigns) to make the playoffs IMO.

FWIW NFL Network reported he badly wanted to go to MN and has a past with Leslie Frazier. You really couldn't pick a better situation for him. Given the lockout, I think 2011 is a redshirt year for Ponder unless the Vikes completely tank (which I don't see).

 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
What situations out there are better than MN? He's going to start Week 1, he's got the weapons to succeed (if Rice resigns) to make the playoffs IMO. FWIW NFL Network reported he badly wanted to go to MN and has a past with Leslie Frazier. You really couldn't pick a better situation for him. Given the lockout, I think 2011 is a redshirt year for Ponder unless the Vikes completely tank (which I don't see).
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What kind of a past could he really have with Leslie Frazier? Frazier was the Eagles' DB coach for three years... did he and McNabb eat lunch in the Lehigh cafeteria together? Sure he would start week 1 in Minnesota, but he'd be expected to take a seat without complaint as soon as Ponder is deemed ready. Are drama-free benchings the kind of thing that McNabb is known for?
 
'Donny Loved Bowling said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
What situations out there are better than MN? He's going to start Week 1, he's got the weapons to succeed (if Rice resigns) to make the playoffs IMO. FWIW NFL Network reported he badly wanted to go to MN and has a past with Leslie Frazier. You really couldn't pick a better situation for him. Given the lockout, I think 2011 is a redshirt year for Ponder unless the Vikes completely tank (which I don't see).
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What kind of a past could he really have with Leslie Frazier? Frazier was the Eagles' DB coach for three years... did he and McNabb eat lunch in the Lehigh cafeteria together? Sure he would start week 1 in Minnesota, but he'd be expected to take a seat without complaint as soon as Ponder is deemed ready. Are drama-free benchings the kind of thing that McNabb is known for?
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Ponder is the future. He'll take a back seat when Ponder is deemed ready AND they're out of contention or McNabb is playing very poorly. Favre got this team to OT of the conference championship game 18 months ago. I don't see why McNabb couldn't put them back in contention.
 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
What situations out there are better than MN? He's going to start Week 1, he's got the weapons to succeed (if Rice resigns) to make the playoffs IMO. FWIW NFL Network reported he badly wanted to go to MN and has a past with Leslie Frazier. You really couldn't pick a better situation for him. Given the lockout, I think 2011 is a redshirt year for Ponder unless the Vikes completely tank (which I don't see).
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not many but perhaps the Titans, Bengals (if Palmer is gone), Cardinals (if Kolb falls through), and 49ers.
 
C. Ponder says its done, per his tweet...

"Excited to have McNabb join. Will learn a lot from a Pro Bowler. But that doesn't mean I'm not still fighting to start week 1!"

 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
What situations out there are better than MN? He's going to start Week 1, he's got the weapons to succeed (if Rice resigns) to make the playoffs IMO. FWIW NFL Network reported he badly wanted to go to MN and has a past with Leslie Frazier. You really couldn't pick a better situation for him. Given the lockout, I think 2011 is a redshirt year for Ponder unless the Vikes completely tank (which I don't see).
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:goodposting: IF he plays good, what coach in his right mind would bench him for a rookie. I have a feeling he will work out a 1 or 2 year deal with incentives. If he comes in and plays like he did a few years ago then it is great news for the Vikings and the fans :excited: If he comes in and stinks it up :shrug: you throw Ponder in. Would much rather see Ponder having to start in week 4 or 5, then be thrown to the wolves right off the bat.
 
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'Donny Loved Bowling said:
As a former McNabb fan, I think Donovan is an idiot if he accepts a reworked contract to facilitate this trade. He's going to be a low-paid stopgap in Minnesota, expected to mentor the guy who will eventually render him obsolete. Why not refuse to renegotiate his contract, thus forcing the Skins to release him? Even if he can't find a GM dumb enough (Al Davis?) to pay him as a starter, he'll likely have several teams interested in him as a veteran backup, so he can choose the situation he likes best.
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Because his roster bonus isn't due until the day the season starts. The Skins could hold him hostage until the last week of training camp and then release him - and at that point no one will sign him as a starter.
 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
What situations out there are better than MN? He's going to start Week 1, he's got the weapons to succeed (if Rice resigns) to make the playoffs IMO. FWIW NFL Network reported he badly wanted to go to MN and has a past with Leslie Frazier. You really couldn't pick a better situation for him. Given the lockout, I think 2011 is a redshirt year for Ponder unless the Vikes completely tank (which I don't see).
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Weapons to succeed and make the playoffs is where I will disagree.One...I don't think Rice will be back.Two...that Oline is still not good.Three...that defense has issues.Four...they are quite possibly the 4th best team in their division.While its a good situation for him from the standpoint of he will be the starter...if Rice leaves...they have Peterson and Harvin (not a bad duo) but still a pretty weak Oline.They are behind the Packers and Bears for sure...and most likely behind the Lions too.Also, not a bad deal for Minny...if they can lower his $$$.
 
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'Raider Nation said:
I'm still a McNabb believer. He had one crappy year playing for a new team and a psycho head coach.I'll be buying low.
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I agree. Short term memory of people may be killing McNabb's value but he has been really good in FF and real life for years. A bit inconsistent at times. gets dinged up..But puts up as many big FF days as average ones. Take out last year and he was always startable as your QB.And, to be honest, Washington hasn't exactly been the mecca of studly consistentcy and stability in FF for a while. I expect McNabb, on this team, to be very Eli Manning-like (previous to last year) in terms of production. Never setting the world on fire but at the end fo the week, he's getting you enough to be a top 12-16QB...startable.
 
'Dr. Octopus said:
'Donny Loved Bowling said:
As a former McNabb fan, I think Donovan is an idiot if he accepts a reworked contract to facilitate this trade. He's going to be a low-paid stopgap in Minnesota, expected to mentor the guy who will eventually render him obsolete. Why not refuse to renegotiate his contract, thus forcing the Skins to release him? Even if he can't find a GM dumb enough (Al Davis?) to pay him as a starter, he'll likely have several teams interested in him as a veteran backup, so he can choose the situation he likes best.
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Because his roster bonus isn't due until the day the season starts. The Skins could hold him hostage until the last week of training camp and then release him - and at that point no one will sign him as a starter.
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Good point. But wouldn't it behoove the Skins to clear his cap space sooner rather than later? They may want to screw him for scuttling the deal, but it would hurt them too if he's taking up cap room that they need to sign other players.Whatever, it sounds like he's going to agree and the deal will proceed. I just don't see the wisdom in his decision... unless he's not compromising on $$$ that much.

 
Last year was not a great year for him in terms of passer rating due to his high TD/INT ratio, but he was on pace for well over 4k yards. His comp % was just a bit under his career average and his ypa was just a bit above.

He was much more effective when he had TO, so as long as MIN can provide him with a couple decent targets I think he should be fine. Gotta really like Harvin now. I wouldn't draft Shiancoe as a starter, but I seem to recall McNabb producing decent TE stats with LJ Smith and Celek. It's be nice to seem them retain Rice or at least go grab a legit deep threat. Berrian actually might be a good fit with McNabb if they want to cut and resign him.

 
'bigmiiiiike said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
I wonder if the Vikings go hard after Rice now...
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I would think they'd have to, or at least push for a cheaper guy like Floyd or Steve Smith.
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It just seems like with the McNabb aquisition that theyll be very competitive again this year. Maybe having a guy like McNabb will sway Rice to come back. As an Eagles fan I think Minnesota got a steal here, even if it is for only one season. Washington was just a crap team in a ton of ways. McNabb at this stage in his career needs a running game and he'll have that now. If they bring back Rice he would have nice weapons in him, Harvin, Schiancoe (sp?) and Rudolph as well.
 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'Funkley said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
I wonder if the Vikings go hard after Rice now...
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No reason to think they havent been.
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If the rumors are true that it's a 2 team race then they should give him what he wants, assuming they have the cap space.
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If I was the Wilf's I'm not sure I'd agree. Except for one season he's pretty replaceable at much lower risk. Losing him would hurt in the short term but I wouldnt gamble a lot on him. Let the Seahawks overpay.
 
Dude will be poisonous to the squad.

I don't want him anywhere near the team.

I mean, what's the purpose? They're clearly in rebuilding mode. Do they really expect that he'll mentor Ponder?

 
The initial lack of interest and then pittance of a trade return should be a pretty solid dent in 5's fragile ego. I wouldn't expect him to be bending over backwards to mentor Ponder either. Everyone will try to put the best spin on things but I don't think he's happy about how things went down and this may fester.

 
'Andy Dufresne said:
Dude will be poisonous to the squad. I don't want him anywhere near the team. I mean, what's the purpose? They're clearly in rebuilding mode. Do they really expect that he'll mentor Ponder?
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Two things.....Give the impression of still trying to win while they beg for a stadium and not get Ponder killed behind this line.
 
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