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Vikings looking to move into the top 3 (1 Viewer)
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snogger
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I would say that if this trade went through I'm about 95% sure it would cost the vikes Both thier First round draft selections.. The other 5% of me says #7 and thier 2nd Round.Vikes are not going to move up 5 slots to select a RB with so many talented ones available so trading Bennett wouldn't be an option.Sweet, maybe we will offer our #18 pick and Michael Bennett!
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BlueOnion
Footballguy
I was being a little sarcastic, as the article is a Dolphin publication and any potential trade speculation would be greatly slanted towards the Dolphins best interest.But I have to acknowledge (at this point) that the Vikings are seriously taking a look at moving up; whether they follow through or not is a whole other story.
I am sure clubs will initially ask for both first round picks, but I seriously hope Minnesota does not cave on this. The #7 + #18 <> #1 (or #2 or #3) picks in the draft. If I had to assess value to moving up from #7 to #2, I would think it would be our #7 pick and maybe a second round pick (or third round pick + Bennett) to make the deal advantageous to the Vikings.
Davej626
5.56 solves all
Well Minne wants to move up and is talking with the top three teams in an effort to get the cheapest price. All three tops teams have mentioned selecting Edwards. They know that Minn wants Edwards. So they push the idea that they will select him. Fact of the matter is that SF isn't going to pass on one of the two QBs, and Miami isn't going to pass on its choice for one of the three RBs. That leaves Cleveland, and they have so many holes that they could take anyone. Minn should move up to three or four and save its picks. It would be a lot cheaper to do that than try to outbid another team when they know who you want. Bad position for Minn.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I think this is a reasonable thought. I believe Minnesota wants Braylon, than Wlliams and then Willamson. However, I am not sure of what the difference in perceived value Minnesota has placed on each gap.I can speculate as much as the next guy, but being on the outside looking in...it is hard to decipher what is and is not a smokescreen.Minnesota probably doesn't get either top WR at the 7 (despite Gosselin's mock) and they sure won't get Edwards.
Call it an educated guess/hunch, but I really believe IF the Vikings moved to #3 in a trade w/ Cleveland, it would be to take Ronnie Brown. They've realized you can't get it done tying up a ton of $ in a WR. One of the biggest favors they could do for their defense is to get a workhorse RB, where they can control the ball with their improved defense. If they don't feel like they'll get Ced Benson or Ronnie Brown at #7, I think they'll trade up. I don't think Caddy Williams is an option. From a PR standpoint (if they draft a RB), they need to ship Bennett to the Cards for a 3rd rd pick.
snogger
Footballguy
well Since Campbell has been offically charged now I would guess the Vikes hands are tied to getting a Top WR and the rest of the NFL teams know this:Kelly Campbell Charged in Gun, Pot bust
BlueOnion
Footballguy
If the Vikings hands are tied now after Campbell was officially charged, then for all intents and purposes there hands were tied before he was officially charged...Campbell was not a big part of the Vikings offenese, other than the speed he brought to the team.If Campbell being charged has any impact on the Vikings' interest, it probably means their personal value on Williamson has gone up significantly, Edwards a little and Williams now.
Personally I don't think Campbell's official charging has any impact on the Vikings.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Maybe I am in the minority, but Burleson is closer to becoming a #1 than any rookie they may take this year. Isn't the rule of thumb that wide receiver do not hit stride until their third season? Anybody taken next week is three years away.I hope Minnesota just selects the best player available instead of simply by need.
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trader jake
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i agree with these two posts...i keep reading all this wr talk if the vikings trade up, but with the depth at wideout this year (and every year of late) and the vkings reliance on the running game this year why would they pass on their top-choice at rb to take a wide receiver at #3? just knowing that this wr will be "replacing" randy moss (and those comparisons) seems like a set-up for failure, then again so does playing under mike tice...lol
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Speaking of parlays, how about opening up Big B's sportsbook for some Viking draft pick speculation? The Williamson/James combo would have to be 20:1, but you could do single player bets and other parlays. Whaddya think?These were my thoughts a few weeks ago, but I have started to drink the "Vikings want a blue-chip WR" Kool-aid.
I do hope Minnesota either trades up for a Ronnie Brown, stay put and get another running back or trade down in hopes of hitting the Williamson\James parlay.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
You are not the first one to bring this to my attention. I do not have the time to do this on such a short notice (plus Colin Dowling may single handedly hose my wedding). I wish I could, I just don't have enough time this week.I am still wondering what kind of dumbfounded look my fiancee will have:
1) When I say I want to watch the draft (It is so EXCITING honey)
2) When she actually takes interest and attempts to watch it with me
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Neither WR is worth moving up for, IMO.
They're a) not talented enough (neither better than Roy Williams, for example) and b) at the end still rookies and therefore the chances of them making an impact this year are slim.
They're a) not talented enough (neither better than Roy Williams, for example) and b) at the end still rookies and therefore the chances of them making an impact this year are slim.
texasyankee
Footballguy
I really hope that the Vikings are blowing smoke on the WR front and if they move up it is to get Brown. As far as replacing Campbell, they did get Travis Taylor. I would imagine that Campbell is only 4th on the depth chart right now behind Burleson, Robinson & Taylor.I really think the Vikings have had a phenomenal off-season and I cant wait for this weekend.
As I stated earlier, IMO the Vikings are targeting Brown. They haven't had a TRUE franchise back for 25 years (Chuck Foreman). Please don't mention Robert Smith/Ted Brown/Herschel Walker. They were not TRUE franchise backs. Now that it appears (on paper at least) that they have a serviceable defense, what better way to help the offense AND defense than by drafting a stud RB? I think Brown is #1 on their list, and Benson is #2. I think BOTH of these RB's are higher than EITHER of the 2 WR's on their draft chart. The Vikings, ever since Tice revealed his draft intentions in 2002, have been very coy about who they're going to pick. They have gone OUT OF THEIR WAY to praise Mike Williams/Braylon Edwards, and let it be known publicly that they want to trade up for a WR. I still think they will take a RB, trade Bennett for a 3rd rd pick, AND acquire Rod Gardner for probably that same 3rd rd pick.
snogger
Footballguy
Again, I'll repost my earlier thoughts from a month ago.They need WR more than any position.Burleson- COULD be a #1 WR but still needs to prove it.Marcus Hang-Nail Robinson - won't play more than 12 games this season, that's about a given.Travis Taylor is a complete unkown.. Was it the QB's at teh Ravens or is his talent not as good as what was believed??Campbell - Speedy, but not a possesion reciever and probably looking at a 4 game suspension at the least.RB position - Yes, I'd like to see this strengthed, but unless they trade one of the 3 than I think we are stuck with RBBC.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
My thoughts exactly until I scrolled down.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Miami stands to benefit a great deal from a trade like this. THey are in crummy shape in so many spots with basically no picks to improve with. I think that Miami should be jumping at the chance to slide down to 7 and get another pick or two.At 7, they could still get either a RB or Aaron Rodgers if things shake out as expected. Barring that, they could grab Derrick Johnson or potentially slide down again to get Alex Barron. If I were Miami, I'd do everything in my power to get the 1.07 and the 2.17 (and maybe something later) for the 1.02.Then, if/when Mike WIlliams is there at 1.07, I'd do everything I could to slide even further (San Diego?) for the 1.12, the 2.28, and something later. Then, at 1.12, I'd either select the suprisingly still available Aaron Rodgers or Marcus Spears, and I'd be glad that I had a top-5 guy from my board, at least 2 second rounders, and an early third after starting the day lacking in picks.COlin
Gatorman
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Colin, I agree with this. If Miami can get TB to give a 1 and a 2 with a third or whatever next years, or get minny to fork over both #1's or a 1 and a 2 with a 2 next year they should jump at it. If you add in something for surtain, Miami could potentially still have a top 10 pick, another 1 in the 28 range, two 2nd rounders, and a third plus have a few extra first day picks in next years' draft AND STILL GET THE GUY THEY WANT!!!!
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Correct. One thing that is only recently being discussed is that the 1.07 (If Minny takes Edwards and Tennesse DOESNT take a RB) will probably have the option of Aaron Rodgers, a big-3 back, and/or Mike Williams. Any of those options or Derrick Johnson would be a great coup for the Dolphins.Colin
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Any chance Minnesota could tell Miami to select Braylon Edwards and then 'call us back' when it is the Vikings pick (ala Giants San Diego last year)? That way Minnesota would have the option of any running back, Mike Williams, Braylon Edwards or any trade down options that would become available?
I have a hard time believing that the Vikings would pay the prices likely-required for the #1 or #2 overall. However, I COULD see the Vikings paying to move up to the Browns slot at #3. In all likelihood, San Francisco is going QB. Miami, at the #2, is likely looking Ronnie Brown or Tampa (via trade) would be after Alex Smith...although I gotta believe that those trade talks have cooled since reports have come out that the 49ers are looking to go Alex Smith at #1 (leaving them with Cadillac Williams at #5?). That leaves the Browns at #3....almost having to go Braylon Edwards or Aaron Rodgers.I assume that Edwards wouldn't last beyond the Bears at #4, and the Bears won't do the Vikings ANY favors, so if that's the guy the Vikings want, the Browns would appear to be the slot to move to. Personally, I don't see any reason for the Vikings to move up to 1/2 unless they are actually targeting Ronnie Brown instead of Edwards or Williams.I'm still holding out hope that the Vikings will end up with Mike Williams or Ced Benson at #7, then draft a "Big" (D-Line or O-Line) at #18....but would not be opposed to them moving up as long as it doesn't cost them their #18 or a shot at Nugent in Round 2-3....
The issue is whether Miami can get any sort of value. Cleveland wants to trade down badly as well, so for Miami to trade down they would have to be willing to accept LESS VALUE than the 3rd pick would be worth. Miami would have to accept less than Cleveland would accept, and Cleveland is desparate to move down.This means Saban's first draft would start with the appearance that he gets ripped-off in a trade-down in Round 1 by taking way less than the #2 pick is normally considered to be worth.
Gatorman
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I disagree. I think that most dolphin fans want him to trade down and get more picks. Even if the trade doesn't perfectly matchup with "the sheet" as long as we get multiple picks and it is not an out and out ripoff, we're cool.That being said, until draft day, the #2 pick is more important than the #3. Minny could move into the #3 only to have the bucs move into #2 and then take edwards and they are screwed. Same thing for a team like San Diego. The only way you are assured of getting the guy you want is having the #1 pick. When SF announces they have a contract with whomever, then the only way you are assurred of getting your guy is dealing with saban and so on.
Only saban knows who he is taking. That could be smith, brown, edwards, rogers or none of these guys. If you have a guy targeted, you want to take the chance of losing out on him wo save a 3rd rounder next year?
Gatorman
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I disagree here as well. Lets say that they do go up to #3, and the bucs all along have been blowing smoke about Smith and EDWARDS is their real target. Then what. Mike williams at 3?
Davej626
5.56 solves all
Hmm, but everyone knows that there are limited suitors this year wanting to move up. Figure a top five team doesn't want to fall below #15. The ones from 5-15 are the suitors for the top three slots. I don't think the idea out there is that Saban will accept less, or get ripped off. I just think the idea, from slot 5-15, is that there are more sellers, right now, than buyers so the price drops. Things will change as the week goes on. But right now, the price for the 2/3 is falling. Especially if they get in a reverse bidding war with Minn.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I think Miami should trade down and get as much as they can. I am also very bias and personally don't want Minnesota to move up. But to say Minnesota is screwed if they don't get Edwards is really not accurate. Edwards and Williams both have more upside than Burleson, but they will not fully develop until three years down the line; Burleson is ready now. Even if Braylon is off the board, there is still Williams, Williamson and Clayton. Not to mention another 'Burleson' buried later on in the draft.
texasyankee
Footballguy
Since all three of the teams in the top 3 I would imagine that as draft gets closer the price for moving will decrease. Play the Browns against the Dolphins into a bidding war and reap the benefit.I want them to stay put, take the best RB left @ 7 and then see what falls to 18I think if Mike Williams gets past Tennessee @ 6 he'll be there @ 18
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Thinking the phins will pass on ANY player is wrong - they need Edwards as much as they need Smith or Ronnie Brown, and I don;t see them taking a RB at #2 as a foregone conclusion - I think Saban is as ready to trot Gordon or MOrris out there as he is ready to troty Frerote or AJ out there - that means ANY player could be selected at #2 by the phins, but it will PROBABLY be either Smith or Brown - with equal chances of each being the selection.You are 100% wrong to think that the phins are focused on the top-3 RBs as their choice - they could EASILY trade down a few slots and pick up Mike Wiliams, or they could trade WAY down and pick up an OL.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Again. the price goes UP for the team wanting to move up as the draft gets closer, not the other way around.As much smoke as Miami, SF and Cle might blow about wanting to move down, that is to get THEIR price - none of them will lower their proce as the draft moves closer, they'll just keep their pick.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
You're right, that might be one of the silliest things posted here. A #6 selection guy doesn then fall another 12 slots unless he is Randy Moss with Randy Moss' off-field problems. And I have not heard of anyone scared off of Mike Williams.
