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Vikings Reportedly Give Favre A Deadline (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Oh Im sure Brett wont like this, being dictated too des not sit well with him.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see how much they stick to this "deadline".On the other side of it, I don't know how Favre can really decide too much if he doesn't know how is arm will respond to the surgery. This isn't Tom Brady's knee. We all know Brady will be back. I'd say there's a decent chance that Favre's arm won't return to what he needs it to be. Not sure how you do that one. I guess he could say, "yes, but it depends on the arm" which isn't really a yes. But just after surgery, not sure how he could give much different of an answer.JDidn't they do that last week and the week before too?
all i can say is the dude must really have a vendetta against the packer's FO to want to play yet again and with a hated rival i might add ....i have always heard he would never have any form of surgery unless it was absolutely necessary- he's going to the vikes- mark it down...........favre's legacy is entrenched.......he's likely financially secure.....so what reason does he really have to play other than this...i don't think it's championship just to win another one......i think it's to win one along with thumbing his nose at the pack so he can ride off in the sunset like wild west gunslinger.......
so now can favre shatter the dome myth that has shrouded him since the pack days?? :(
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think he's scared Peyton Manning will someday break his consecutive game streak, so he's trying to put it out of reach.all i can say is the dude must really have a vendetta against the packer's FO to want to play yet again and with a hated rival i might add ....i have always heard he would never have any form of surgery unless it was absolutely necessary- he's going to the vikes- mark it down...........favre's legacy is entrenched.......he's likely financially secure.....so what reason does he really have to play other than this...i don't think it's championship just to win another one......i think it's to win one along with thumbing his nose at the pack so he can ride off in the sunset like wild west gunslinger.......
so now can favre shatter the dome myth that has shrouded him since the pack days??
I think this is a pretty slick move from the Vikes perspective. I believe they will stick to this deadline unless either Rosenfels or Jackson goes down in the preseason. I realize he just had the surgery, but I don't think Brett gets away with the "Yeah, i am in depending on how my arm feels" excuse. I think the Vikes are sending a message that he starts now with the organization, starts working with THEIR Drs. and participating in off-season meetings, etc. My Jets, for better or for worse, have provided a blue print of what you get from Favre when you bring him in last minute (close but no cigar). I am convinced if the Jets acquired Favre prior to the preseason, they would have made the playoffs (not really going out on a limb since they just need one more victory), and I see the Vikes in the same boat. They are made to win now, but need that last piece to be fully integrated.If Favre says no, management will gain lockerroom cred by going with "they guys they have today" and use that as a catalyst moving forward. The "X-factor" is if they lose one of the QBs to injury and Favre rears his head again...when you are down a QB, it is hard to say no to a guy like Favre and almost anyone would cave in that situation if they were in the Vikes' management's shoes at that point.It'll be interesting to see how much they stick to this "deadline".On the other side of it, I don't know how Favre can really decide too much if he doesn't know how is arm will respond to the surgery. This isn't Tom Brady's knee. We all know Brady will be back. I'd say there's a decent chance that Favre's arm won't return to what he needs it to be. Not sure how you do that one. I guess he could say, "yes, but it depends on the arm" which isn't really a yes. But just after surgery, not sure how he could give much different of an answer.JDidn't they do that last week and the week before too?
massraider
Footballguy
Tired of the whole thing, like most everyone.
I want him to come back and fail, I hate to say it.
I agree that his main reason to come back is to 'show' some people in Green Bay, and it's a sad demonstration of a really out-of-control ego. The whole good-old-boy, aw shucks, "just a guy that loves to play the game" routine seems like a front now.
I want him to come back and fail, I hate to say it.
I agree that his main reason to come back is to 'show' some people in Green Bay, and it's a sad demonstration of a really out-of-control ego. The whole good-old-boy, aw shucks, "just a guy that loves to play the game" routine seems like a front now.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
No, there was a report a week or so ago that said they had given him a deadline, but didn't say when the deadline was. This is the first report actually stating a deadline.Didn't they do that last week and the week before too?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Now Favre will really have it in for the Vikings, for disrespecting him.
So he will go to Cleveland, in order to get even with them in the first game of the season.
So he will go to Cleveland, in order to get even with them in the first game of the season.
Avery
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see how much they stick to this "deadline".On the other side of it, I don't know how Favre can really decide too much if he doesn't know how is arm will respond to the surgery. This isn't Tom Brady's knee. We all know Brady will be back. I'd say there's a decent chance that Favre's arm won't return to what he needs it to be. Not sure how you do that one. I guess he could say, "yes, but it depends on the arm" which isn't really a yes. But just after surgery, not sure how he could give much different of an answer.JDidn't they do that last week and the week before too?
I was coming in here to post pretty much this.Seems strange they would impose a deadline, and make it public, while Favre is still recovering from surgery. Sounds like behavior from a franchise that is poorly managed and/or not real interested in having Favre come in.Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Do any of these reports make a point of saying that their "unnamed sources" are NOT the same people who have variously provided bogus info on visits, surgeries, etc. for the last 2 months?
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I keep looking at the tabloids when I go to the grocery store expecting to see Favre on a cover.
T Bell
Footballguy
Wat? You can't commit to a team by saying that "I'm your QB if and when my arm is healthy enough to play"? Anyone else besides Helen of Favre would do that.It'll be interesting to see how much they stick to this "deadline".On the other side of it, I don't know how Favre can really decide too much if he doesn't know how is arm will respond to the surgery. This isn't Tom Brady's knee. We all know Brady will be back. I'd say there's a decent chance that Favre's arm won't return to what he needs it to be. Not sure how you do that one. I guess he could say, "yes, but it depends on the arm" which isn't really a yes. But just after surgery, not sure how he could give much different of an answer.Didn't they do that last week and the week before too?
J
bcr8f
Footballguy
A deadline that isn't enforced isn't a real deadline either. They haven't commited to him though either. They want to know if his arm is fine and he doesn't know that yet.So they seem to be saying commit to us without committing to him.They are probably trying to support TJax and Roesenfels by telling Brett he has to commit but he doesn't know if he's healthy enough yet.No, there was a report a week or so ago that said they had given him a deadline, but didn't say when the deadline was. This is the first report actually stating a deadline.Didn't they do that last week and the week before too?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This is great BANG cartoon material.
identikit
Footballguy
This.
Wat? You can't commit to a team by saying that "I'm your QB if and when my arm is healthy enough to play"? Anyone else besides Helen of Favre would do that.It'll be interesting to see how much they stick to this "deadline".On the other side of it, I don't know how Favre can really decide too much if he doesn't know how is arm will respond to the surgery. This isn't Tom Brady's knee. We all know Brady will be back. I'd say there's a decent chance that Favre's arm won't return to what he needs it to be. Not sure how you do that one. I guess he could say, "yes, but it depends on the arm" which isn't really a yes. But just after surgery, not sure how he could give much different of an answer.Didn't they do that last week and the week before too?
J
J
RC94
Footballguy
This reminds me of Robin Williams' standup "Live at the Met" when he talked about Muammar al-Gaddafi.See starting about 30 seconds in but really talking about the line of death at about a minute in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8a-6ejumk...feature=related
T Bell
Footballguy
Actually, it is a "yes". It's a "yes" that allows the Vikings to say that they're committed to each other and to plan accordingly. I fail to see how it isn't a beneficial step towards certainty in the relationship to have Favre flatly say, "I'm a Viking" rather than pretending that the only uncertainty is the injury when in fact it's just one more example of Favre wanting to keep all options open for his own selfish reasons. Isn't this what professional people do when they're serious about making a commitment?Wat? You can't commit to a team by saying that "I'm your QB if and when my arm is healthy enough to play"? Anyone else besides Helen of Favre would do that. :(It'll be interesting to see how much they stick to this "deadline".On the other side of it, I don't know how Favre can really decide too much if he doesn't know how is arm will respond to the surgery. This isn't Tom Brady's knee. We all know Brady will be back. I'd say there's a decent chance that Favre's arm won't return to what he needs it to be. Not sure how you do that one. I guess he could say, "yes, but it depends on the arm" which isn't really a yes. But just after surgery, not sure how he could give much different of an answer.Didn't they do that last week and the week before too?
JJ
I think that Favre's motivation remains what it has always been (beyond the given that he likes playing the game): Brett wants to prove to people that he still can play at a high level. I believe he attributes the decline last year to the injury and want to prove to people he can take another team to playoff success. Hearing all the talking heads say he cannot play really bugs him.
Avery
Footballguy
If it is unknown, and can not be known until he recovers enough to throw, if Farve will physically be up to play a 16 game season, how can the Viking "plan accordingly" regardless of what Favre commits to?
T Bell
Footballguy
They'll know he's on the roster, and they can make provisions for him being PUP or whatever. Honestly, I don't even see how this is arguable. Why not remove all doubt about Favre's commitment to getting in shape and playing, and simply make the coming months about him recovering from surgery instead of living in this stupid gray area that Favre loves to be in?
mozzy84
Footballguy
I think they already have an answer (which is yes). Would not be surprised if doctor james more or less gave him a guarantee his arm would be good to go come august, it was a minor surgery. The timing of all of this is to perfect. That said it would not break my heart to see him just say screw it and stay home.
Avery
Footballguy
They are not signing Favre to put on the PUP.He's starting week 1 or they are not signing him.
The way I see it, everybody (Favre and the Vikings) would look foolish and ill-prepared if they made a big show about Favre being "committed" to the Vikings (whatever that means) and then he is not physically up for playing come week 1. Also, if they "committed" to each other and late into camp leading up to the season Farve still can't put the zip on the ball, what do the Vikings do then? Cut him? Make him a backup?
IMO, the reported deadline that the Vikings gave Favre is either ill thought out, a sign that they don't really want him, or a good recipe for a lot of people to end up with egg on their faces.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
But they really mean it this time.Didn't they do that last week and the week before too?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
U DON'T SAY
Because the reality of what yes means now is "Yes, I'm a Viking. Unless my arm doesn't heal the way it needs to heal. And I won't really know that for 6 weeks or so. So I'm a Viking. Unless I decide not to be". Doesn't seem to be lot of closure in that.
J
And not surprisingly, Pat Kirwan of NFL Network is saying the Vikings have made no such deadline demand... Who knows what's going on with this one?
J
J
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Kirwan and Childress are pretty tight. I gotta believe he knows exactly what was said to BF.And not surprisingly, Pat Kirwan of NFL Network is saying the Vikings have made no such deadline demand... Who knows what's going on with this one?J
bcr8f
Footballguy
For which team?
T Bell
Footballguy
Wrong, and I can prove it. How? The Vikings themselves want Favre to commit this week, even before he's much recovered from surgery.
Avery
Footballguy
So your "proof" that the Viking will sign Favre and be content with him on the bench or PUP come week 1 is they want him to commit now?If this story is true, just sounds like more proof that the Vikings make poor personnel decisions on a regular basis to me.Wrong, and I can prove it. How? The Vikings themselves want Favre to commit this week, even before he's much recovered from surgery.
KingAlfred
Footballguy
Agreed. Not sure why Favre would tell the ESPN guys/Peter King that there is a deadline. To me...Favre is setting this fake deadline up as the reason he will not/can not sign. And then Childress tells Kirwin this so he does not look he is the reason for not signing.Kirwan and Childress are pretty tight. I gotta believe he knows exactly what was said to BF.And not surprisingly, Pat Kirwan of NFL Network is saying the Vikings have made no such deadline demand... Who knows what's going on with this one?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Despite him admitting part of last year was to stick it to TT?
RudeDog
Footballguy
So, when Favre is inducted what team will he go in under. If he really hates the Packer FO that much he wouldn't want to go in as a Packer. If I was the Packers I wouldn't want him inducted as one.
Is there any way a team can prevent a player from going in under their organization's name ?
Is there any way a team can prevent a player from going in under their organization's name ?
fatness
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
GB did the same thing (gave an ultimatum) last year around this time only they didn't make it public. Remember it wasn't until the first week in July that Favre started talking publicly about playing again. I think if he were serious about winning a SB he would have had the operation right away, been working out all off season and would be at the OTA's of the team he plans on taking to the SB.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Yeah he said he was mad because TT didn't hire Mooch and TT let his 2 guards go as FA's.He has said he "wants to stick it" to the Packers. Last year they offered him over $20 million over 10 years to be spokesman for the team. He turned it down.Just trying to get fans up to speed here.sho nuff said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
In the end, the FO will not always be there and he knows he was a Packer...the organization still wants him to be remembered as a Packer and will still retire his number and do all that hoopla at some point.So, when Favre is inducted what team will he go in under. If he really hates the Packer FO that much he wouldn't want to go in as a Packer. If I was the Packers I wouldn't want him inducted as one.Is there any way a team can prevent a player from going in under their organization's name ?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Like many of you, I'm weary of all the Brett Favre noise. But since it IS relevant, I'll chime in.
I'm not buying it.
How on Earth could the Vikings give him a deadline that's seemingly arbitrary? He just had surgery, how could he possibly know whether he'll be right to play yet? And if he doesn't know, why would the Vikings want to publicly commit to him as their guy?
Let's say Favre tells them this week, "I THINK I'M YOUR GUY."
Are the Vikes going to start a marketing campaign? Are they going to waive Tarvaris Jackson or try to trade him? Are they going to start working up plays for Favre they otherwise wouldn't have?
And then let's say training camp rolls around and Fave says, "YOU KNOW GUYS, MY SHOULDER JUST ISN'T RESPONDING, I CAN'T BE YOUR GUY."
Then the Vikings look like TOTAL DIMWITS and their franchise is a wreck.
They've already gone down the rabbit hole here. Neither Sage Rosenfels nor Tarvaris Jackson have to be very confident right now with their futures in Minnesota, and I'm sure the rest of the team is standing around wondering why management thinks a 40-year old former rival is worth this much fuss. They've already CLEARLY indicated they want him, and he wouldn't have seen Dr. Andrews and had the surgery if he didn't want to come back.
So what's the deadline for?
Really confusing situation on so many levels.
I'm not buying it.
How on Earth could the Vikings give him a deadline that's seemingly arbitrary? He just had surgery, how could he possibly know whether he'll be right to play yet? And if he doesn't know, why would the Vikings want to publicly commit to him as their guy?
Let's say Favre tells them this week, "I THINK I'M YOUR GUY."
Are the Vikes going to start a marketing campaign? Are they going to waive Tarvaris Jackson or try to trade him? Are they going to start working up plays for Favre they otherwise wouldn't have?
And then let's say training camp rolls around and Fave says, "YOU KNOW GUYS, MY SHOULDER JUST ISN'T RESPONDING, I CAN'T BE YOUR GUY."
Then the Vikings look like TOTAL DIMWITS and their franchise is a wreck.
They've already gone down the rabbit hole here. Neither Sage Rosenfels nor Tarvaris Jackson have to be very confident right now with their futures in Minnesota, and I'm sure the rest of the team is standing around wondering why management thinks a 40-year old former rival is worth this much fuss. They've already CLEARLY indicated they want him, and he wouldn't have seen Dr. Andrews and had the surgery if he didn't want to come back.
So what's the deadline for?
Really confusing situation on so many levels.
I think that might figure into PART of why he wants to play for the Vikings, not why he wants to play in the first place. With that said, the revenge thing may be less than wanting to play in a system he is familiar with and for coaches he knows.But it all probably figures in a little into the weighted average that reflects his decision making.sho nuff said:
