Vikings sign TE Visanthe Shiancoe (1 Viewer)

[el centro]

Minnesota Vikings: The Vikings signed former Giants tight end Visanthe Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million deal, with $7 million guaranteed and $8.2 million in the first year. The Vikings also signed Vinny Ciurciu.

Source: ESPN.com

Am I missing something here.... 18.5-mill for a virtual after-thought of a TE?!??!?! This is some crazy market.

 

[ChampBailey24]

jermaine wiggins who?

 

[cstu]

His blocking must be REALLY good.

 

[Biabreakable]

He definitly has not been much of a reciever.

+-------------------------+ | Receiving |+----------+-----+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+-------------------------+| 2003 nyg | 16 | 10 56 5.6 2 || 2004 nyg | 16 | 5 25 5.0 1 || 2005 nyg | 16 | 8 91 11.4 0 || 2006 nyg | 16 | 12 81 6.8 0 |+----------+-----+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 64 | 35 253 7.2 3 |+----------+-----+-------------------------+

2005 was his most promising year. Other wise he is averaging a whoping 5.8 YPC. If they want a TE who can block why not just keep using Sause? And I am not sure if this guy is even a good blocker or not.Very puzzled by this move by the Vikings.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Wow, this is ridiculous

IIRC Shiancoe is not a blocker--at all. He's got a decent size/weight ratio at 6'4 250 but doensnt have the speed you look for. Good hands and routes however. He gets jammed quite a bit at the line because he isnt that physical and lord only knows that he isnt worth the contract he got. Very very surprising.

Perhaps the vikings think their line is good enough not to warrant extra blocking and instead are looking for a legitimate threat in the passing game. I think Shiancoe could be a nice safety valve for Tavaris Jackson- as he can run a variety of routes cleanly and could aide in his growth significantly. But certainly isnt worth that contract.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Shiancoe had a great combine in 2003-

4.6 forty, 4.28 short shuttle,7.09 three cone, and a 39" vertical.

He was seen as a project from a small college with fantastic measurables. However, he has been behind Shockey and has been rarely seen from.

 

[RC94]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

 

[RC94]

Shiancoe had a great combine in 2003-4.6 forty, 4.28 short shuttle,7.09 three cone, and a 39" vertical.He was seen as a project from a small college with fantastic measurables. However, he has been behind Shockey and has been rarely seen from.

Shockey has had injury issues and has been inconsistent. Shiancoe has had chances to contribute but he couldn't take advantage. Like I said before, maybe a change of scenery will be good for him.

 

[ThisGuy]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

Not a good blocker. Average receiver. For as often as SHockey is dinged up, you think you'd have heard more about him the last few years, but that has not happened. Seems like a LOT of $$$ for this guy. I'm glad the Giants didn't pay that amount for him.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Shiancoe had a great combine in 2003-4.6 forty, 4.28 short shuttle,7.09 three cone, and a 39" vertical.He was seen as a project from a small college with fantastic measurables. However, he has been behind Shockey and has been rarely seen from.

Shockey has had injury issues and has been inconsistent. Shiancoe has had chances to contribute but he couldn't take advantage. Like I said before, maybe a change of scenery will be good for him.

I wasn't saying that he was good. I was simply saying that he was perceived as athletic and raw- and that he has done little. I don't think he has ever had more than 15 catches in a year.

 

[prymetyme25]

I dont know if any of you guys have ever seen this guy play but I think he could have been a star TE if he wasn't playing behind Shockey. He seems to have good hands and moves very fluidly. I think it was a very good signing for a team with no wrs on it yet. Obviously they are gonna draft young wrs since they haven't signed any of the top FA wrs so they'll need a good te to hold them over til their wrs develop. And I think that will be a great target for T-JaX or whatever qb they put back there. JMO

 

[Bri]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

He's no bust. He was drafted to be a backup and played that role while he was there.People had him being the 2nd coming and he didn't live up to that but he's hardly a bust

 

[RC94]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

He's no bust. He was drafted to be a backup and played that role while he was there.People had him being the 2nd coming and he didn't live up to that but he's hardly a bust

Semantics. The fact is that he has been a disappointment and hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities he did get.

 

[Bri]

Shiancoe had a great combine in 2003-4.6 forty, 4.28 short shuttle,7.09 three cone, and a 39" vertical.He was seen as a project from a small college with fantastic measurables. However, he has been behind Shockey and has been rarely seen from.

Shockey has had injury issues and has been inconsistent. Shiancoe has had chances to contribute but he couldn't take advantage. Like I said before, maybe a change of scenery will be good for him.

Totally agree hereHe's not a bad blocker, he's somewhat average. He couldn't block anyone when he came into the league but he's OK now. I am amazed he got so much $ but thrillllllllllllllled because that means he's really getting a chance to shine.The Giants have been wrong on WRs in the past with Easy Ed and JJ so it wouldn't be so odd if Visanthe pans out.(As if you care) I actually have him in an FF league because there was nothing on the WW to drop him for and so I just walked into a starting TE here...lol that's so sweet!

 

[Bri]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

He's no bust. He was drafted to be a backup and played that role while he was there.People had him being the 2nd coming and he didn't live up to that but he's hardly a bust

Semantics. The fact is that he has been a disappointment and hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities he did get.

It's not at all semantics. Was Shockey the starting TE when they drafted him. Was he drafted to be a backup? Did he fill that role? Where's the semantics in that?

 

[RC94]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

He's no bust. He was drafted to be a backup and played that role while he was there.People had him being the 2nd coming and he didn't live up to that but he's hardly a bust

Semantics. The fact is that he has been a disappointment and hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities he did get.

It's not at all semantics. Was Shockey the starting TE when they drafted him. Was he drafted to be a backup? Did he fill that role? Where's the semantics in that?

You seem to have reading comprehension issues. I said that he didn't take advatage of the opportunities he did get. Shockey has had injury issues and whenever he was out, the gameplan changed because Shiancoe couldn't handle the role of filling in for him.

 

[Biabreakable]

While I hope that Shiancoe ends up performing better for the Vikings than what he has shown capable of thus far in his career I still have to question the money put up for him. 18.5 million over 5 years = 3.7 million/season. A good chunk of that money is garunteed.

I see nothing this guy has done to deserve such a contract and that is what makes no sense to me.

 

[Bri]

He was hyped when the Giants drafted him and it was thought that he had some potential. He turned out to be a big bust for the Giants, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I don't think it will matter because I saw nothing from him that shows that he even belongs on a roster, let alone get this kind of contract, but I have been wrong before.

He's no bust. He was drafted to be a backup and played that role while he was there.People had him being the 2nd coming and he didn't live up to that but he's hardly a bust

Semantics. The fact is that he has been a disappointment and hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities he did get.

It's not at all semantics. Was Shockey the starting TE when they drafted him. Was he drafted to be a backup? Did he fill that role? Where's the semantics in that?

You seem to have reading comprehension issues. I said that he didn't take advatage of the opportunities he did get. Shockey has had injury issues and whenever he was out, the gameplan changed because Shiancoe couldn't handle the role of filling in for him.

nice talking to you

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm not running to all my leagues to pick this guy up. Who's throwing the rock in MN these days? lol. Not that it matters anyway.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I need to hire Shiancoe's agent. He could probably get ME into the league.

 

[Super King]

with his first year of the contract at 8.2 million, maybe the vikes are just trying to spend enough to make the required minimum team salary this year. after 2007 im guessing his salary becomes very managable. just hypothesizing

 

[Biabreakable]

with his first year of the contract at 8.2 million, maybe the vikes are just trying to spend enough to make the required minimum team salary this year. after 2007 im guessing his salary becomes very managable. just hypothesizing

Well if it is front loaded like this (which the Vikings ushualy do) that means 10.3 million spread out over the remaining 4 years of the contract. That means 2.575 million/year for the following 4 seasons which is still quite a bit relative to other TEs in the league I think.What is the average salary for a TE in the NFL right now?

In 2005 the average salary for a TE was 1.03 million. For a TE starter it was 1.793 million. 2005 was the most recent numbers averaged out I could find after a quick search. Not sure how much this figure will go up in 2007. http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu9cgDepFLx8A...vember_2005.pdf

Now I do not see anything that Shiancoe has done to earn average starter money when those numbers are based off of contracts to the elite TEs down to marginal starters who definitly make much less than this average. I could understand him making low starter money but not more than average starter money. Again this contract does not make sense. And that is with writing off the 1st season of garunteed 8.2 million which must be competitive with the elite TEs in the league at least for 2007. He is still making more than average for a TE in seasons following that.

The good thing about front loading contracts like the Vikings have a tendency to do it means they pay most of the garunteed money in the 1st year. So they take very little hit against the cap if they later decide to cut the player.

 

[TecmoBeast]

he could of been signed for way less. He hasn't done anything except show athleticism in 2003. This is embarassing as a Vikes fan



i need to know who behind this cause i want them gone. it has to be speilman imo... that guy is a schmo. Childress is a schmo for hiring him. I don't care if the guy is the next Antonio Gates, they just tied up 8.2 of their cap space when there's plenty of needs. I like the upfront roster bonuses on proven talent like Winfield and Hutch.... it is a completely different thought on no-names.

 

[Bri]

he could of been signed for way less. He hasn't done anything except show athleticism in 2003. This is embarassing as a Vikes fan i need to know who behind this cause i want them gone. it has to be speilman imo... that guy is a schmo. Childress is a schmo for hiring him. I don't care if the guy is the next Antonio Gates, they just tied up 8.2 of their cap space when there's plenty of needs. I like the upfront roster bonuses on proven talent like Winfield and Hutch.... it is a completely different thought on no-names.

Well Wiggins was a nobody cut by the Jets and Pats IIRC

 

[Biabreakable]

Another thing to consider here.

The Vikings are reportedly 30 million under the cap before signing Shiancoe. They cut Wiggins and Smoot as part of getting down to 30 million under.

If they are spending 8.2 million of that 30 on Shiancoe that is 26% of thier remaining cap space before rookie contracts.

I guess when they said they would not target big name free agents they were being honest. I just didn't think they would be giving no name free agents big name contracts.

 

[Couch Potato]

When trying to determine a player's expected involvement, a good (though imperpect) indicator is money. Another is coaching tendencies. Together, these two indicators suggest VS is going to be a busy TE and people shouldn't sleep on this signing just because of what he's done or not done in the past as a backup.

If Childress gets him the activity I expect, I look for maybe 50-550-4 from him which would put him in the TE13-15 area. In my 2pt/catch (for TEs) MOX HP league, that's an 11.1 PPG and well worth jumping on.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

with his first year of the contract at 8.2 million, maybe the vikes are just trying to spend enough to make the required minimum team salary this year. after 2007 im guessing his salary becomes very managable. just hypothesizing

Is he an unrestricted or a restricted FA?The front-loaded contract may be an attempt at keeping the Giants from matching his contract, as this would hurt them cap-wise.

 

[Biabreakable]

How much is Tony Gonzalez making in 2007?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There is no amount of spin that will make me think this was a good signing. He better go 60-800-6 at a minimum for it to be close to worth it for the team.

Ridiculous.

See sig.

 

[JohnnyU]

OK, now be honest. How many of you ran out and picked this guy up in your dynasty league? Again, be honest.

 

[redman]

Well, this probably means that Graham won't sign with Minny then. It's down to Seattle, Oakland and Denver for him apparently.

 

[Couch Potato]

OK, now be honest. How many of you ran out and picked this guy up in your dynasty league? Again, be honest.

As I said above, I did in my 2PPR-for-TEs league. Crazy not to if he gets anywhere close to 50 catches, and in Childress offenses that's a fair possibility. LJ Smith had 61 catches under Childress in 2005, and Wiggins 46 last year even though he's getting long in tooth. Whether he's overpaid or not isn't my concern. My interest is in the fact that the Vikings believe he'll be an important enough commodity to warrant that $$. If he's TE15, he's got value. Not in one of our MOX I-VII leagues, Chuck, but in a TE-required league he's a viable backup candidate and he's certainly viable in the HP leagues where a 2PPR TE can be used as a flex. 50-550-4 = 179 FP in such a league, equivalent to a WR with 65-900-4.

 

[JohnnyU]

OK, now be honest. How many of you ran out and picked this guy up in your dynasty league? Again, be honest.

As I said above, I did in my 2PPR-for-TEs league. Crazy not to if he gets anywhere close to 50 catches, and in Childress offenses that's a fair possibility. LJ Smith had 61 catches under Childress in 2005, and Wiggins 46 last year even though he's getting long in tooth. Whether he's overpaid or not isn't my concern. My interest is in the fact that the Vikings believe he'll be an important enough commodity to warrant that $$. If he's TE15, he's got value. Not in one of our MOX I-VII leagues, Chuck, but in a TE-required league he's a viable backup candidate and he's certainly viable in the HP leagues where a 2PPR TE can be used as a flex. 50-550-4 = 179 FP in such a league, equivalent to a WR with 65-900-4.

Fair enough. What was his TE ranking in the Draft?

 

[Tag]

OK, now be honest. How many of you ran out and picked this guy up in your dynasty league? Again, be honest.

If you have room on your roster why the hell not?

 

[JohnnyU]

NFL DRAFT COUNTDOWN rankings for TEs in 2003

2003 TE's

1. Jason Witten, Tennessee

2. Dallas Clark, Iowa

3. Bennie Joppru, Michigan

4. L.J. Smith, Rutgers

5. Teyo Johnson, Stanford

6. George Wrighster, Oregon

7. Robert Johnson, Auburn

8. Mike Pinkard, Arizona St.

9. Mike Seidman, U.C.L.A.

10. Vishante Shiancoe, Morgan St.

11. Aaron Walker, Florida

12. Doug Ziegler, Ole Miss

13. Kevin Ware, Washington

14. Donald Lee, Mississippi St.

15. Zach Hilton, North Carolina

16. Lorenzo Diamond, Auburn

17. Spencer Nead, B.Y.U.

18. Gabe Reid, B.Y.U.

19. Trent Smith, Oklahoma

20. Matt Huebner, St. Cloud St.

21. Dan Curley, Eastern Washington

22. R.J. Luke, Western Illinois

23. Aaron Golliday, Nebraska

 

[Couch Potato]

OK, now be honest. How many of you ran out and picked this guy up in your dynasty league? Again, be honest.

As I said above, I did in my 2PPR-for-TEs league. Crazy not to if he gets anywhere close to 50 catches, and in Childress offenses that's a fair possibility. LJ Smith had 61 catches under Childress in 2005, and Wiggins 46 last year even though he's getting long in tooth. Whether he's overpaid or not isn't my concern. My interest is in the fact that the Vikings believe he'll be an important enough commodity to warrant that $$. If he's TE15, he's got value. Not in one of our MOX I-VII leagues, Chuck, but in a TE-required league he's a viable backup candidate and he's certainly viable in the HP leagues where a 2PPR TE can be used as a flex. 50-550-4 = 179 FP in such a league, equivalent to a WR with 65-900-4.

Fair enough. What was his TE ranking in the Draft?

What draft, NFL draft? Why do you ask?

 

[JohnnyU]

OK, now be honest. How many of you ran out and picked this guy up in your dynasty league? Again, be honest.

As I said above, I did in my 2PPR-for-TEs league. Crazy not to if he gets anywhere close to 50 catches, and in Childress offenses that's a fair possibility. LJ Smith had 61 catches under Childress in 2005, and Wiggins 46 last year even though he's getting long in tooth. Whether he's overpaid or not isn't my concern. My interest is in the fact that the Vikings believe he'll be an important enough commodity to warrant that $$. If he's TE15, he's got value. Not in one of our MOX I-VII leagues, Chuck, but in a TE-required league he's a viable backup candidate and he's certainly viable in the HP leagues where a 2PPR TE can be used as a flex. 50-550-4 = 179 FP in such a league, equivalent to a WR with 65-900-4.

Fair enough. What was his TE ranking in the Draft?

What draft, NFL draft? Why do you ask?

Just curious what the so called experts thought of him in the 2003 NFL Draft.

 

[Couch Potato]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

 

[prymetyme25]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

I agree with you. and he would make a nice sleeper in the 3rd round of a Rookie/FA draft.

 

[Tag]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

As bad as the Vikings passing game is why not take a flyer on the guy, unless you're that stacked at the TE position. I see no harm in dumping someone on your roster that is just taking up space for the guy.

 

[JohnnyU]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

two words, Tarvaris Jackson.

 

[Tag]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

two words, Tarvaris Jackson.

Thats an even better reason to go after him.

 

[JohnnyU]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

two words, Tarvaris Jackson.

Thats an even better reason to go after him.

I know what you're thinking, the ol' TE dump off for the bad QB. Somehow I don't think that will happen enough to warrent a roster spot for Mr. Vishante Shiancoe.

 

[TheFanatic]

Minnesota Vikings: The Vikings signed former Giants tight end Visanthe Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million deal, with $7 million guaranteed and $8.2 million in the first year. The Vikings also signed Vinny Ciurciu. Source: ESPN.comAm I missing something here.... 18.5-mill for a virtual after-thought of a TE?!??!?! This is some crazy market.

Why the hell can't I be a really crappy TE that is undersized who can't catch or block all that well but is a FA in 2007?

 

[BigJim®]

Great signing. Very lucky they were not outbid.

 

[JohnnyU]

Great signing. Very lucky they were not outbid.

Big Jim, somehow I know you are laughing about what you just posted.

 

[prymetyme25]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

two words, Tarvaris Jackson.

Do Minn fans really think he's a bad qb?

 

[Couch Potato]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

two words, Tarvaris Jackson.

Yeah, there's certainly that. The whole Minny aerial attack is a problem. It's worth noting though that their WR group is (as of now) the weakest in the league which may mean more TE utilization. Truth is, until this transaction came across the news, VS (I don't even want to bother trying to spell his name) never would have entered my mind. So I'm not personally sold on anything about him. This for me is about reliance on the motives and tendencies of Childress, and the likely role VS has in their offense.

 

[Couch Potato]

Great signing. Very lucky they were not outbid.

 

[JohnnyU]

My point is that they paid him the money to use him. They aren't going to go out and get him and then say "Oh, but you know what? He was only ranked #10 in 2003. Nevermind." Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. What matters is that the Viking braintrust (some would call that an oxymoron) has determined he's going to be their guy at TE, Childress offenses utilize the TE in the passing game, and that will translate into production. Not Gonzo or Heap prodution, but not Carolina Panther production either.

two words, Tarvaris Jackson.

Do Minn fans really think he's a bad qb?

Yes, but it's too early to tell I guess. There have been plenty of QBs that didn't blossom right away, and Tarvaris hasn't had enough time for us to label him yet, but I wouldn't be jumping on the MN passing game from a fantasy perspective.