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Vikings want Alexander (1 Viewer)

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There's talk that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf might bid big for Seahawks running back Shaun Alexander, the NFL's most valuable player, who will be a free agent after the season. The Vikings, however, say that hasn't been discussed.-- St. Paul Pioneer Press

 
Should I make the joke about a soft player being a perfect fit on a soft team? Nah, I actually like the Vikings despite it.

 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL. Whether it happens is another story.Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs. Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?

 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers

 
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This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold. Foster too I guess... not high on him though.
 
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This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold.
I did on pupose.
 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold.
I did on pupose.
I'd like to hear how Chester Taylor has more demand then Jamal Lewis.
 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold.
I did on pupose.
I'd like to hear how Chester Taylor has more demand then Jamal Lewis.
True. Take Taylor off the list too.
 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold.
I did on pupose.
I'd like to hear how Chester Taylor has more demand then Jamal Lewis.
True. Take Taylor off the list too.
Alright, haha. Now how does Ahman Green have more demand then Jamal Lewis?
 
Lets not forget the Dolphins might trade us Ricky Williams for a half a 7th round pick.
:lol: My friend was telling me last night how he's convinced that someone will give the Vikings a first rounder for Daunte. :shock:

 
Alright, haha. Now how does Ahman Green have more demand then Jamal Lewis?
Because Ahman played hurt and looked bad. Reports are that his health is quickly returning.Lewis was healthy and ran like a bum.

That's why.

 
This is a logical fit, but there are a lot of logical fits in the NFL.  Whether it happens is another story.

Be interesting how much interest\demand is out there for running backs.  Who else is out there other than Shaun and Edge?
Not many...Ahman Green UFA Packers

Anthony Thomas UFA Saints

Antowain Smith UFA Saints

Arlen Harris RFA Rams

Artose Pinner RFA Lions

Aveion Cason UFA Rams

Chad Morton UFA Giants

Chester Taylor UFA Ravens

David Allen RFA Rams

DeShaun Foster UFA Panthers

Edgerrin James UFA Colts

J.R. Redmond UFA Cardinals

Jamal Lewis UFA Ravens

James Jackson UFA Cardinals

Jonathan Wells UFA Texans

Kenny Watson UFA Bengals

LaBrandon Toefield RFA Jaguars

Lamar Gordon UFA Eagles

Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks

Michael Bennett UFA Vikings

Mike Cloud UFA Patriots

Moe Williams UFA Vikings

Musa Smith RFA Ravens

Najeh Davenport UFA Packers

Omar Easy UFA Raiders

Reno Mahe RFA Eagles

Ricky Proehl UFA Panthers

Rock Cartwright UFA Redskins

Ron Dayne UFA Broncos

Shaun Alexander UFA Seahawks

Shawn Bryson UFA Lions

Steve Bush UFA 49ers

Tony Fisher UFA Packers

Travis Minor UFA Dolphins

Verron Haynes UFA Steelers
Don't leave out Jamal Lewis from the bold. Foster too I guess... not high on him though.
Talk around the NFL watercooler says the Panthers will pursue Lewis which makes sense to me. In that case, he might be a nice FFL player at minimum. I also think Omar Easy should be in bold.
 
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My friend was telling me last night how he's convinced that someone will give the Vikings a first rounder for Daunte. :shock:
:eek: If we could get a first round pick for him, I would be pretty excited.

 
My friend was telling me last night how he's convinced that someone will give the Vikings a first rounder for Daunte.  :shock:
:eek: If we could get a first round pick for him, I would be pretty excited.
That's what I said. Any first rounder for a QB with that many ??? would be worth it, IMO.
 
I hate to be immediately skeptical, but frankly I think a lot of top line free agents instigate rumors of interest from teams with the most available cap.

 
I hate to be immediately skeptical, but frankly I think a lot of top line free agents instigate rumors of interest from teams with the most available cap.
This should be a given and well worth posting as a reminder.
 
I hate to be immediately skeptical, but frankly I think a lot of top line free agents instigate rumors of interest from teams with the most available cap.
Normally I'd agree. But Zygi has given Childress a blank check with his coaching staff and I have to think the same thing will be done for players.Wilf wants to win and win NOW.

So he can get his stadium complex built.

 
*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons* :no: Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick? :crazy:

 
*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons* :no:

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick? :crazy:
That was many moons ago.And the Williamson pick was awful.

 
*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons* :no:

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick? :crazy:
I still like the Williamson pick. From what I saw when he could get on the field, he looked explosive. Hard to fault the guy for sharing a roster with Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson and Koren Robinson. Those are 4 refined wide receivers who may not be pro bowl caliber players, but are legit NFL starters.
 
I hate to be immediately skeptical, but frankly I think a lot of top line free agents instigate rumors of interest from teams with the most available cap.
Normally I'd agree. But Zygi has given Childress a blank check with his coaching staff and I have to think the same thing will be done for players.Wilf wants to win and win NOW.

So he can get his stadium complex built.
Well, I don't see SA as a Childress RB for starters because he is not known as a receiving RB. Second, I view SA as a huge bust risk after he finally gets his payday, as I do with all guys who coincidence their way to career contract years. Third, that phantom concussion gives me the heebie jeebies.
 
*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons*  :no:

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick?  :crazy:
I still like the Williamson pick. From what I saw when he could get on the field, he looked explosive. Hard to fault the guy for sharing a roster with Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson and Koren Robinson. Those are 4 refined wide receivers who may not be pro bowl caliber players, but are legit NFL starters.
In that case, how much better would it have been to take Derrick Johnson?
 
I hate to be immediately skeptical, but frankly I think a lot of top line free agents instigate rumors of interest from teams with the most available cap.
Normally I'd agree. But Zygi has given Childress a blank check with his coaching staff and I have to think the same thing will be done for players.Wilf wants to win and win NOW.

So he can get his stadium complex built.
Well, I don't see SA as a Childress RB for starters because he is not known as a receiving RB. Second, I view SA as a huge bust risk after he finally gets his payday, as I do with all guys who coincidence their way to career contract years. Third, that phantom concussion gives me the heebie jeebies.
I agree with all three of these. Which is why I'd rather see them get Edgerrin James.
 
In that case, how much better would it have been to take Derrick Johnson?
I really liked Derrick Johnson and would have preferred to see him in purple. But I have often (credibility hit forthcoming) believed in Denny Green's approach to first round picks; don't pick for need, just pick the best player available; and I think Williamson is a pretty good darn football player. We'll see how good (or bad) he is in the next year or two.
 
In that case, how much better would it have been to take Derrick Johnson?
I really liked Derrick Johnson and would have preferred to see him in purple. But I have often (credibility hit forthcoming) believed in Denny Green's approach to first round picks; don't pick for need, just pick the best player available; and I think Williamson is a pretty good darn football player. We'll see how good (or bad) he is in the next year or two.
I suppose you're right. Tice really seemed to hold him back this year with his silly personality games.
 
*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons*  :no:

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick?  :crazy:
I still like the Williamson pick. From what I saw when he could get on the field, he looked explosive. Hard to fault the guy for sharing a roster with Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson and Koren Robinson. Those are 4 refined wide receivers who may not be pro bowl caliber players, but are legit NFL starters.
I don't know how to break it to you, but that was one of the worst draft picks EVAH to pay top 7 $$$ to a guy who can't supplant Travis Taylor, get's moved to the sidelines by Mrob/Krob, and eventually became a inactive designee because he decided to play coach in practice with an owie. If the Vikes re-sign Krob, expect that street FA and a 3rd rounder (Burleson) to plant Williamson's butt squarely on the bench. Also, whether or not you personally see a light at the end of the tunnel with Williamson, the point I'm trying to make is we traded a proven probowler for that pick (similar to trading Culpepper for wing and a prayer). I don't want to be having a conversation with you in 2007 about how the draft dud we got in exchange for Culpepper has a bright 2009 future, while Culpepper throws for 40/4200 somewhere else.
 
the point I'm trying to make is we traded a proven probowler for that pick
I checked this year's Pro Bowl roster and I don't see Randy anywhere. Was he playing under an assumed name this year?The point I'm trying to make is that the shelf life of an NFL player is extremely short and it's truncated even further by injury. What you had last year is not always what you're going to get this year. If you can get value for someone on the decline, then I say you do it.

 
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If the 'hawks get to the SB this year, it's going to be an absolute PR nightmare to let Alexander walk. The league's MVP, leading rusher, leading scorer, and heart and soul of a SB team? :no:He'll be in Seattle next year.

 
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If the 'hawks get to the SB this year, it's going to be an absolute PR nightmare to let Alexander walk. The league's MVP, leading rusher, leading scorer, and heart and soul of a SB team? :no:

He'll be in Seattle next year.
So then they don't sign Hutchinson? Can they sign both?
 
the point I'm trying to make is we traded a proven probowler for that pick
I checked this year's Pro Bowl roster and I don't see Randy anywhere. Was he playing under an assumed name this year?The point I'm trying to make is that the shelf life of an NFL player is extremely short and it's truncated even further by injury. What you had last year is not always what you're going to get this year. If you can get value for someone on the decline, then I say you do it.
I'm not even going to get into an outlandish conversation debating Williamson vs. Moss. That Moss didn't make the probowl last year does not make him "not a proven probowler." The guy is already a receiving legend and I suspect he will return to form if Oakland hires a motivator he respects. On your comment "If you can get value for someone on the decline, then I say you do it" I have two responses. (A) I agree, and as to Moss I wish we would have gotten something, anything of value, which we categorically did not; (B) As to Culpepper, he doesn't even fit your description as a 6th-year player at a position that can last until a guy is 40. Not only is he not on the decline, if he's a normal QB he should be ready to hit his prime. Seriously, I just shake my head when I read posts by Vike fans who feel they can judge offensive talent that was being coordinated by two former OL coaches. I realize that cuts against my comments on Williamson, but in addition to being hamstrung by coaching Williamson did not set himself apart from mediocre WRs.
 
Moss' career (as we knew it) was done in 2004. 2005 was about what I expected (about what the Vikings got in 2004) and I don't see the pattern changing any time soon.I think this is a rare instance of the Vikings actually parting with a guy at the end of his career instead of picking the player up.

 
I'm not even going to get into an outlandish conversation debating Williamson vs. Moss. That Moss didn't make the probowl last year does not make him "not a proven probowler." The guy is already a receiving legend and I suspect he will return to form if Oakland hires a motivator he respects. On your comment "If you can get value for someone on the decline, then I say you do it" I have two responses. (A) I agree, and as to Moss I wish we would have gotten something, anything of value, which we categorically did not; (B) As to Culpepper, he doesn't even fit your description as a 6th-year player at a position that can last until a guy is 40. Not only is he not on the decline, if he's a normal QB he should be ready to hit his prime. Seriously, I just shake my head when I read posts by Vike fans who feel they can judge offensive talent that was being coordinated by two former OL coaches. I realize that cuts against my comments on Williamson, but in addition to being hamstrung by coaching Williamson did not set himself apart from mediocre WRs.
a) I've already said Williamson was a terrible pick.Jerry Rice is a receiving legend too. Should they have acquired him?

b) You do know that Culpepper had his knee destroyed last year, right? I don't think that Culpepper's style would ever allow him to play until 40. And now that his mobility will be limited for the next two years, that further hits his stock.

Seriously Jim, you go way too much on reputation over reality.

 
If the 'hawks get to the SB this year, it's going to be an absolute PR nightmare to let Alexander walk. The league's MVP, leading rusher, leading scorer, and heart and soul of a SB team? :no:

He'll be in Seattle next year.
So then they don't sign Hutchinson? Can they sign both?
Why couldn't they sign both? Alexander would cost far less next year with a long-term extension than he did this year and the cap is going up fairly substantially, isn't it?
 
If the 'hawks get to the SB this year, it's going to be an absolute PR nightmare to let Alexander walk. The league's MVP, leading rusher, leading scorer, and heart and soul of a SB team? :no:

He'll be in Seattle next year.
So then they don't sign Hutchinson? Can they sign both?
Why couldn't they sign both? Alexander would cost far less next year with a long-term extension than he did this year and the cap is going up fairly substantially, isn't it?
I dunno. I guess I'd always heard they probably couldn't afford both. I guess we'll see.They're $21m under the cap. I guess I was wrong. Not re-signing him would be ridiculous.

 
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If the 'hawks get to the SB this year, it's going to be an absolute PR nightmare to let Alexander walk. The league's MVP, leading rusher, leading scorer, and heart and soul of a SB team? :no:

He'll be in Seattle next year.
So then they don't sign Hutchinson? Can they sign both?
Signign both should be no problem from a $ standpoint.
 
Why couldn't they sign both? Alexander would cost far less next year with a long-term extension than he did this year and the cap is going up fairly substantially, isn't it?
This is a good point. Alexander's cap number for 2005 was something in the neigborhood of 8 to 10 million. A long term deal with Seattle will make his 2006 cap number much more manageable, say 2, 3 or maybe 4 million.
 
a) I've already said Williamson was a terrible pick.

Jerry Rice is a receiving legend too.  Should they have acquired him?

b) You do know that Culpepper had his knee destroyed last year, right?  I don't think that Culpepper's style would ever allow him to play until 40.  And now that his mobility will be limited for the next two years, that further hits his stock.

Seriously Jim, you go way too much on reputation over reality.
a) C'mon. There has to be a penalty for ridiculous comparisons :penalty: . Now you are comparing a 28 year old Moss to a 40 year old Rice? Moss mailed it in last year and somehow out-received any Viking WR by 400 yards, and caught 8 TDs. You are comparing that to a guy who has been beyond his prime since 1996? Wow.b) "Destroyed"? Sort of like how McGahee's knee was "destroyed"? That's totally unsubstantiated and frankly modern medicine would respectfully disagree. I also disagree that Daunte's "style" would never allow him to play until he's 40. I see him very easily becoming a predominant pocket passer a la Steve McNair as he ages. He has the arm and he's still learning the position. A one trick pony QB like Vick, maybe, but he's nowhere near the accomplished passer that Daunte is. You'd think we were 10 years instead of 12 months removed from 2004 when Daunte set an NFL record for passer rating at 110.9, and accumulated an astonishing 5100 total yards (4700 of those passing) under the tutelage of Linehan. Like many QBs, it's all about confidence and buying into a system for Daunte. I refuse to believe his year under Loney means Daunte can't play QB.

As far as me buying reputation over reality, I just don't even know how to respond to that. I don't think I could be more clear that my whole opinion as to Moss/Culpepper is statistical and based on actual performance. That is anything but "reputation." But don't mind me, dispose of these unbelievably productive players for guys who may or may not ever even become NFL starters, if that is your reality.

 
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*shaking my head at Viking fans wanting to give away a QB who has had TWO 40+ TD seasons* :no:

Think we should draft another Troy Williamson with that pick? :crazy:
I still like the Williamson pick. From what I saw when he could get on the field, he looked explosive. Hard to fault the guy for sharing a roster with Nate Burleson, Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson and Koren Robinson. Those are 4 refined wide receivers who may not be pro bowl caliber players, but are legit NFL starters.
I don't know how to break it to you, but that was one of the worst draft picks EVAH to pay top 7 $$$ to a guy who can't supplant Travis Taylor, get's moved to the sidelines by Mrob/Krob, and eventually became a inactive designee because he decided to play coach in practice with an owie. If the Vikes re-sign Krob, expect that street FA and a 3rd rounder (Burleson) to plant Williamson's butt squarely on the bench. Also, whether or not you personally see a light at the end of the tunnel with Williamson, the point I'm trying to make is we traded a proven probowler for that pick (similar to trading Culpepper for wing and a prayer). I don't want to be having a conversation with you in 2007 about how the draft dud we got in exchange for Culpepper has a bright 2009 future, while Culpepper throws for 40/4200 somewhere else.
The Vikings were genius to get rid of Moss while he was still worth something and get a WR who could become one of the best in the league in a couple more years. It was well-known that he was raw coming out of college and it was ridiculous to think that anyone thought he was going to tear up the NFL his rookie year. On top of that, he was on a team loaded with veteran WR's and a QB who was injured early in the year.
 
a) C'mon. There has to be a penalty for ridiculous comparisons :penalty: . Now you are comparing a 28 year old Moss to a 40 year old Rice? Moss was mailed it in last year and somehow out-received any Viking WR by 400 yards, and caught 8 TDs. You are comparing that to a guy who has been beyond his prime since 1996? Wow.
No. I'm saying that betting on a guy to be good this year just because he was good last year without analyzing the trends is not good business. Health and attitude concerns have both caused Moss' stock to decline over the last two years.
b) "Destroyed"? Sort of like how McGahee's knee was "destroyed"? That's totally unsubstantiated and frankly modern medicine would respectfully disagree.
I think it's pretty well substantiated that he tore his MCL/PCL/ACL. If that's not destroyed, I guess I don't know what is.The bigger question is whether he can return from injury. Comparing him to McGahee is not accurate either as they're different style athletes, different sizes, and more importantly, different ages.

I also disagree that Daunte's "style" would never allow him to play until he's 40. I see him very easily becoming a predominant pocket passer a la Steve McNair as he ages. He has the arm and he's still learning the position. A one trick pony QB like Vick, maybe, but he's nowhere near the accomplished passer that Daunte is. You'd think we were 10 years instead of 12 months removed from 2004 when Daunte set an NFL record for passer rating at 110.9, and accumulating an astonishing 5100 total yards (4700 of those passing) under the tutelage of Linehan. Like many QBs, it's all about confidence and buying into a system for Daunte. I refuse to believe his year under Loney means Daunte can't play QB.
What were the stats at the beginning of THIS season? Pretty good, I'd imagine.
As far as me buying reputation over reality, I just don't even know how to respond to that. I don't think I could be more clear that my whole opinion as to Moss/Culpepper is statistical and based on actual performance. That is anything but "reputation." But don't mind me, dispose of these unbelievably productive players for guys who may or may not ever even become NFL starters, if that is your reality.
Both players have exhibited extreme cracks in their game this last season. Injury concerns cannot be overlooked. The Vikings got what they could for an aging Moss and would be wise to do the same for a QB that will have been in the league for 9 years before he's completely recovered from injury. If he fully recovers at all.
 

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