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Vinatieri Speaks (1 Viewer)

Mike Herman

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Q: It’s now a couple of weeks later (after the signing). How did it ever come to this?

A: Well, free agency went along for a while and Indianapolis stepped to the plate and showed me a lot of love. Not just financially, but obviously with the commitment that they wanted me to be on their team. They showed me a lot of love with the guys that were there. It just made sense for me. At this point, it was the best decision I could make when I weighed all the options.

Q: Are you disappointed the Pats didn’t match the (Indy) offer, or come in with the most competitive offer out there?

A: I didn’t give them an opportunity to match it. I told (competing teams) give me what made sense for them. I guess what I’m saying is that I just weighed all my options and Indianapolis was the best option at that point. I wanted a long-term deal and they offered me a long-term deal with a great team, a great organization that has a chance of winning a lot of football games and winning championships as easy as anyone. So I just felt that was my best option.

Q: Did the Patriots make a last-ditch effort for you? Did they come in with a later offer?

A: I don’t even want to get into all of that. They’ll be able to tell you what’s done and said. They were along with some other teams that were out there, too. But like I said, I was really happy with the offer and the love Indianapolis showed me.

Q: Have you spoken with Bill Belichick?

A: I have not yet. I’ve played phone tag. Mr. (Scott) Pioli called a couple of times and Mr. (Robert) Kraft. I plan on giving them all a call this week. Let the dust settle a little, I guess, and wish them all well and good luck and all that stuff.

Q: Back to the dome issue. Let’s say the Green Bay Packers, or the Buffalo Bills, had made you the best offer for you and your family. Is that where you would have gone, or did Indy get extra consideration because of the dome?

A: Well, obviously, I weighed all the options that were out there. And a dome was one of the things that appealed to me. That wasn’t the only deciding factor. The fact that Indianapolis is a championship-caliber team and they’ve got great players along with a dome and playing inside -- I weighed all my options and that seemed to be the best. (The dome) held certain merit to be sure.

Q: We’ve heard a lot about the agent issue (Vinatieri hired Gary Uberstine just days prior to signing with the Colts). Did you feel that your original agency (the Neil Cornrich firm, which has represented Belichick in the past) was trying to steer you back to the Patriots?

A: Let me clear that up. I didn’t hire and fire. I was not being represented by anybody at the beginning of it (Cornrich is under suspension by the NFLPA). I didn’t fire any agents. I didn’t fire Neil. I wasn’t officially with him. I just hired Gary Uberstine because I felt he was going to be the best for my career and give me the best options and push the hardest he could. It wasn’t a fire and a hire process. It was just hiring counsel to help me along the way.

Q: So it’s Sunday, Nov. 5. Indianapolis at New England. What’s that going to be like?

A: I haven’t marked it on my calendar yet, but I’m excited for the game. It should be fun. Two great organizations. Two great teams. It will be really strange being on the other sidelines, being over there. But I’m looking forward to it, it should be a lot of fun. Hey, I understand football is football, I don’t know if (fans) will give me a little cheer or a whole heck of a lot of boos. But I understand either way and respect that. And I just want to thank the fans and appreciate them.

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I just think that he was tired of being franchised. It sounds like a common complaint in the NFL these days, doesn't it?

 
I think it was a foolish decision on Vinatieri's part. He might be the only kicker in league history (or at least in the modern NFL) who would have been an absolute legend in his team's city for the rest of his life.

Bird, Orr, Williams, Russell, Brady, and a place kicker.

No other kicker would even come close to seeing that pantheon.

 
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I think it was a foolish decision on Vinatieri's part. He might be the only kicker in league history (or at least in the modern NFL) who would have been an absolute legend in his team's city for the rest of his life.

Bird, Orr, Williams, Russell, Brady, and a place kicker.

No other kicker would even come close to seeing that pantheon.
ANd the fact that he won 3 Super Bowls where the score was a pretty narrow margin meaning his leg helped propel the Pats...and his image is tarnished...how?
 
I think it was a foolish decision on Vinatieri's part. He might be the only kicker in league history (or at least in the modern NFL) who would have been an absolute legend in his team's city for the rest of his life.

Bird, Orr, Williams, Russell, Brady, and a place kicker.

No other kicker would even come close to seeing that pantheon.
ANd the fact that he won 3 Super Bowls where the score was a pretty narrow margin meaning his leg helped propel the Pats...and his image is tarnished...how?
Who said his image is tarnished? He's just not one of us anymore, that's all.
 
I think it was a foolish decision on Vinatieri's part.  He might be the only kicker in league history (or at least in the modern NFL) who would have been an absolute legend in his team's city for the rest of his life.

Bird, Orr, Williams, Russell, Brady, and a place kicker.

No other kicker would even come close to seeing that pantheon.
ANd the fact that he won 3 Super Bowls where the score was a pretty narrow margin meaning his leg helped propel the Pats...and his image is tarnished...how?
Who said his image is tarnished? He's just not one of us anymore, that's all.
Right...but how is he not a legend anymore?
 
Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him. The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to. They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it. It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl. A very special moment in my life.

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me. "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me". Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.

 
Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him. The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to. They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it. It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl. A very special moment in my life.

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me. "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me". Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.
The guy wanted a long-term deal, some security. I can see why he didn't appreciate what the Patriots did. Can't you? Why all the hate?
 
Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.
He is a kicker. A kicker without whom the Patriots might still be looking for their first Super Bowl win.
 
Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him. The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to. They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it. It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl. A very special moment in my life.

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me. "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me". Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.
It's a business and he did what he felt was best for him long term. If he got hurt or started missing a lot of kicks, I'm sure the Pats would have no problem cutting him loose. That said, I don't think it was a smart move. He might be making good coin right now in Indy, but he had the opportunity to cash in for a lifetime in New england.
 
I think it was a foolish decision on Vinatieri's part. He might be the only kicker in league history (or at least in the modern NFL) who would have been an absolute legend in his team's city for the rest of his life.

Bird, Orr, Williams, Russell, Brady, and a place kicker.

No other kicker would even come close to seeing that pantheon.
ANd the fact that he won 3 Super Bowls where the score was a pretty narrow margin meaning his leg helped propel the Pats...and his image is tarnished...how?
Who said his image is tarnished? He's just not one of us anymore, that's all.
Us? He's not a FBG anymore?
 
The more I hear about this the more it is apparent this was a divorce both parties were comfortable with. For AV he wanted long term security and the Pats weren't offering it and he was not happy with it. Pretty simple and if that's what is important to him (and there's nothing wrong with that either) than the move to Indy is the right one for him. The word on the Pats side is AV had been moaning pretty consistently about his contract situation and they were tiring of it. Like Milloy of a few years ago the Pats felt he was becoming a negative influence and while it went down differently than Milloy it's not a fluke neither is in Foxboro.

 
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Good riddance to Vinatieri.  The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract.  I was franchised, boo friggin hoo.  You are a kicker. 

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him.  The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to.  They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it.  It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl.  A very special moment in my life. 

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me.  "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me".  Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.
The guy wanted a long-term deal, some security. I can see why he didn't appreciate what the Patriots did. Can't you? Why all the hate?
Because he acts like the Patriots treated him like crap and I dont think that is the case. He was treated like a King in New England and he through it all away for a couple of extra bucks.Long term deal, some security. If he isnt secure after making millions in salary and endorsements over the past 10 years then he has no idea how to handle his money.

 
The more I hear about this the more it is apparent this was a divorce both parties were comfortable with. For AV he wanted long term security and the Pats weren't offering it and he was not happy with it. Pretty simple and if that's what is important to him (and there's nothing wrong with that either) than the move to Indy is the right one for him. The word on the Pats side is AV had been moaning pretty consistently about his contract situation and they were tiring of it. Like Milloy of a few years ago the Pats felt he was becoming a negative influence and while it went down differently than Milloy it's not a fluke neither is in Foxboro.
:goodposting: I dont whine about players changing teams. I respect what Willie McGinest did for the Pats and felt the Pats treated him right over the years. I do not bugrudge David Givens. He was looking for #1 WR money and the prestige of being #1, something he couldnt get in NE.

I just dont like the "veiled" insults that I feel AV is throwing at the Pats on his way out.

 
Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him. The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to. They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it. It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl. A very special moment in my life.

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me. "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me". Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.
Wow, I wonder why he didn't feel he was getting the respect he deserved.
 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.

 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
Miami Dolphins - 2006 AFC East Champions!
 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
After last year's injury debacle I don't think Pats fans will ever worry. Brady took an injury riddled team and easily won the AFC East title. The Pats will never be more vulnerable than they were last year (their O line, RBs and secondary were ripped apart by injuries) unless the injury bug rears it's ugly head again. I think AV is the best kicker ever but Brady has already proven over and over again he can carry this team. By the way he did it last year wth a pretty significant injury which makes his effort even more impressive. Also, once some pieces came back the D was top of the line again. With youngsters like Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Wilson, Hobbs, Gay and Samuel in place as well as Rosie Colvin's rebirth this unit will still be among the best for years to come. The fact that 4/5 of the starting O line (and one of their top two reserves) are young and signed for an extended period of time is another very positive sign. Most good teams are built in the trenches and at QB and the Pats take a backseat to no one in those areas.BB and Pioli always have a plan in place and while it maybe a headscratcher from time to time the results speak for themself. The Pats have lost a few guy players this offseason (Willie IMO is by far the most significant) but at the end of the day it's only two starters from offense and defense combined. As long as BB and Pioli are running the show I don't think you'll ever see Pats fans panic. Three championships and four AFC East titles in five years give you that type of security. It's a results based business and they provide results.

 
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Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
Miami Dolphins - 2006 AFC East Champions!
With no Culpepper or Ricky Williams? Are you kidding me? Nick Saban is a good coach....he's not Jesus! Adam Vinatieri did the right thing. He'll play in a dome for the remainder of his years, and he'll be well payed to do it. He'll also give Peyton Manning a chance to finally win a ring which is something most people at some point would like to see. If he cant win a ring now with the help of the 'golden foot', then there will officially be nowhere to hide. And now Brady and the Pats will have an opportunity to win another title without haters across America suggesting their MVP is a friggin' kicker. Its a win-win for everyone. Now, if we can just shut up all these Dolphins fans who think theyre going to win a division without the help of their two best players. Jeez....

I was hating on Vinatieri early when he left the Pats. Im glad for him now that he's found a new home and seems happy. The guy was a great team player. Pats fans will always have love for the guy no matter how goofy he looks in his new gear.

:hophead:

 
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AV made them promise last year when they franchised him a second time that they wouldn't franchise him again. They stood by that and didn't franchise him. They also didn't want to pay him $3mil a year going forward. :shrug: By putting himself into a dome situation, AV probably made the right move for him.

We'll be fine with Gramatica.

:cry:

 
He'll like it just fine there until he misses his first kick or pipes up about something and Manning starts calling HIM the "idiot kicker".

:popcorn:

 
Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him. The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to. They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it. It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl. A very special moment in my life.

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me. "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me". Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.
The guy wanted a long-term deal, some security. I can see why he didn't appreciate what the Patriots did. Can't you? Why all the hate?
Because he acts like the Patriots treated him like crap and I dont think that is the case. He was treated like a King in New England and he through it all away for a couple of extra bucks.Long term deal, some security. If he isnt secure after making millions in salary and endorsements over the past 10 years then he has no idea how to handle his money.
Maybe he didn't "through" it all away. MAybe he thinks he's more likely to win another championship in indy than in New England.
 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
After last year's injury debacle I don't think Pats fans will ever worry. Brady took an injury riddled team and easily won the AFC East title. The Pats will never be more vulnerable than they were last year (their O line, RBs and secondary were ripped apart by injuries) unless the injury bug rears it's ugly head again. I think AV is the best kicker ever but Brady has already proven over and over again he can carry this team. By the way he did it last year wth a pretty significant injury which makes his effort even more impressive. Also, once some pieces came back the D was top of the line again. With youngsters like Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Wilson, Hobbs, Gay and Samuel in place as well as Rosie Colvin's rebirth this unit will still be among the best for years to come. The fact that 4/5 of the starting O line (and one of their top two reserves) are young and signed for an extended period of time is another very positive sign. Most good teams are built in the trenches and at QB and the Pats take a backseat to no one in those areas.BB and Pioli always have a plan in place and while it maybe a headscratcher from time to time the results speak for themself. The Pats have lost a few guy players this offseason (Willie IMO is by far the most significant) but at the end of the day it's only two starters from offense and defense combined. As long as BB and Pioli are running the show I don't think you'll ever see Pats fans panic. Three championships and four AFC East titles in five years give you that type of security. It's a results based business and they provide results.
That may all be true, but even still, they sure have needed their kicker to come up big in some tough spots quite a few times. I hope you're comfortable with Marteeeeen abilities in the clutch......
 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
Miami Dolphins - 2006 AFC East Champions!
With no Culpepper or Ricky Williams? Are you kidding me? Nick Saban is a good coach....he's not Jesus! Adam Vinatieri did the right thing. He'll play in a dome for the remainder of his years, and he'll be well payed to do it. He'll also give Peyton Manning a chance to finally win a ring which is something most people at some point would like to see. If he cant win a ring now with the help of the 'golden foot', then there will officially be nowhere to hide. And now Brady and the Pats will have an opportunity to win another title without haters across America suggesting their MVP is a friggin' kicker. Its a win-win for everyone. Now, if we can just shut up all these Dolphins fans who think theyre going to win a division without the help of their two best players. Jeez....

I was hating on Vinatieri early when he left the Pats. Im glad for him now that he's found a new home and seems happy. The guy was a great team player. Pats fans will always have love for the guy no matter how goofy he looks in his new gear.

:hophead:
WTF needs Ricky Williams? Ronnie Brown is just a good and can carry the load. I also think they can get by without CPep until he's healthy.
 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
With the best QB and the best head coach in the league, wouldn't you be worried?Oh wait. Never mind.

 
I think it was a foolish decision on Vinatieri's part.  He might be the only kicker in league history (or at least in the modern NFL) who would have been an absolute legend in his team's city for the rest of his life.

Bird, Orr, Williams, Russell, Brady, and a place kicker.

No other kicker would even come close to seeing that pantheon.
ANd the fact that he won 3 Super Bowls where the score was a pretty narrow margin meaning his leg helped propel the Pats...and his image is tarnished...how?
Who said his image is tarnished? He's just not one of us anymore, that's all.
Right...but how is he not a legend anymore?
I think Pat Patriot and Boston summed up my feelings on the subject rather nicely. No need for me to reiterate.
 
After seeing how the Pats treated Troy Brown the last few years, I don't think anyone should be upset about how Vinateri acted. The Pats understand this is a business and so does AV. What have you done for me lately? The Pats aren't going to give AV more money "just" because he won them two Superbowls. And AV isn't going to stay around for less "just" because he's loved in Boston. It would be a great story but in the end you got to look out for #1.

 
While I understand the whole "he's not one of us" mentality, I'm shocked AV is getting heat from any Pats fans after all he's accomplished for that team. AV should have earned a lifetime pass to do and say basically whatever he wants; certainly far more than the innocuous "no comment" comments in this interview.

 
Cant imagine why a guy who won 3 SBs and is a 'legend' in his town would want to be paid. How many lexuses does iconhood buy? Does glory send your kids to ivy league schools? Good for AV, seems like a class act. He has every right to ask for and go seek the best living for him and his family.

 
Don't pick on the Pats fans.... they hear the trumpet, and see the walls starting to crumble. They aren't very happy. Now, Brady might have to win a game by scoring a TD instead of moving the ball to the 32 and putting the game on someone else's back. They are worried. They have reason to be.
Miami Dolphins - 2006 AFC East Champions!
With no Culpepper or Ricky Williams? Are you kidding me? Nick Saban is a good coach....he's not Jesus! Adam Vinatieri did the right thing. He'll play in a dome for the remainder of his years, and he'll be well payed to do it. He'll also give Peyton Manning a chance to finally win a ring which is something most people at some point would like to see. If he cant win a ring now with the help of the 'golden foot', then there will officially be nowhere to hide. And now Brady and the Pats will have an opportunity to win another title without haters across America suggesting their MVP is a friggin' kicker. Its a win-win for everyone. Now, if we can just shut up all these Dolphins fans who think theyre going to win a division without the help of their two best players. Jeez....

I was hating on Vinatieri early when he left the Pats. Im glad for him now that he's found a new home and seems happy. The guy was a great team player. Pats fans will always have love for the guy no matter how goofy he looks in his new gear.

:hophead:
WTF needs Ricky Williams? Ronnie Brown is just a good and can carry the load. I also think they can get by without CPep until he's healthy.
Yeah right...OK. And whos going to be the 'Phins QB in the meantime and when has Ron Brown ever carried the load in college OR the pros? Youre completely reaching. I respect your optimism...but youre completely reaching.
 
Any chance this move of his keeps him out of the HOF? I know kickers usually do not make it in, but there was talk that AV could get in. Had he stuck with the Patriots and never had to win another big game, I think the mystique would still be there. By changing teams, and if he never has to win another big game, he will be considered a Colt and not a Patriot, and might not get in.

I not sure I am explaining myself well here...I was just thinking there might be more merit sticking with the team you won three SBs with if no more clutch games come up in your future.

:2cents:

I also think AV is making it sound like the Patriots didn't do right by him, when I think they did. They actually offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid kicker in Football, it just was not a long enough term one for him. I think he loves the idea of the dome to help him in his kicking...from what I remember, he strained his back last year and I am sure the cold New England nights don't help that much.

I think the Pat Fans will still show him respect...but not like they did when he was in a Patriot uniform.

 
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Good riddance to Vinatieri. The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract. I was franchised, boo friggin hoo. You are a kicker.

He didnt give the Pats a chance to match and the Pats didnt go out of their way to keep him. The Pats could have franchised him again if they wanted to. They didnt.

No matter what anyone says, playing your whole career with one team does have a special meaning to it. It doesnt happen very much any more but when it does with a special player, it means a lot.

Vinatieri was a legend in New England and I will never forget being in the New Orleans SuperDome when Vinatieri made the kick to win the Pats first SuperBowl. A very special moment in my life.

The way he left, #####ing and moaning (at least behind the scenes) does tarnish his image for me. "the LOVE that Indianapolis showed me". Yeah, the Pats disrespected him by paying him as the highest paid kicker for the last 4 years was really an insult.
Everyone knows kickers don't win Super Bowls-Signed,

Bills Fan

 
Any chance this move of his keeps him out of the HOF? I know kickers usually do not make it in, but there was talk that AV could get in. Had he stuck with the Patriots and never had to win another big game, I think the mystique would still be there. By changing teams, and if he never has to win another big game, he will be considered a Colt and not a Patriot, and might not get in.

I not sure I am explaining myself well here...I was just thinking there might be more merit sticking with the team you won three SBs with if no more clutch games come up in your future.

:2cents:

I also think AV is making it sound like the Patriots didn't do right by him, when I think they did. They actually offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid kicker in Football, it just was not a long enough term one for him. I think he loves the idea of the dome to help him in his kicking...from what I remember, he strained his back last year and I am sure the cold New England nights don't help that much.

I think the Pat Fans will still show him respect...but not like they did when he was in a Patriot uniform.
:goodposting: A bit more of a rational post than mine but basically echoes my thoughts. Someone else said "iconhood" doesnt buy many lexuses. Vinatieri was the best paid kicker in the NFL over the course of the past 5 years. The difference is that AV thinks he is a real football player and should get his $ in a $10 million dollar signing bonus with low base salaries like TOP players in the NFL get paid. The Pats franchised him year to year and paid him his $ year to year. Ryan Longwells' contract this year is the first time I have heard of kickers getting bonus money. The Patriots decided that they are not going to play that game.

Vinatieri has made some HUGE kicks. It does not mean he has won those games. Tom Brady is the one that brought the Pats back from 10-0 against the Raiders to even put the Pats in the position to win the Raiders game.

Ty Law returning an interception for a TD and the general play of the defense had MUCH more to do with the Pats beating the Rams in the SB than Vinatieri did. Tom Brady had a pretty good game against the Panthers and had a bit more to do with the Pats winning than Vinatieri. Did Vinatieri also win the Eagles SB for the Pats? I thought it was there methodical dominance that was the key to that victory.

Bye Adam. Enjoy your time with the Colts. :lmao: at those saying that AV thought he had a better chance at winning a SB with the Colts. Since when have the Colts been within a FG or 2 or making a SB never mind winning one?

The Pats are in great shape. I dont think Grammatica is that great but in the grand scheme of things, he is JUST a kicker. Not even top 20 on the Pats list of importance.

 
Any chance this move of his keeps him out of the HOF? I know kickers usually do not make it in, but there was talk that AV could get in. Had he stuck with the Patriots and never had to win another big game, I think the mystique would still be there. By changing teams, and if he never has to win another big game, he will be considered a Colt and not a Patriot, and might not get in.

I not sure I am explaining myself well here...I was just thinking there might be more merit sticking with the team you won three SBs with if no more clutch games come up in your future.

:2cents:

I also think AV is making it sound like the Patriots didn't do right by him, when I think they did. They actually offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid kicker in Football, it just was not a long enough term one for him. I think he loves the idea of the dome to help him in his kicking...from what I remember, he strained his back last year and I am sure the cold New England nights don't help that much.

I think the Pat Fans will still show him respect...but not like they did when he was in a Patriot uniform.
:goodposting: A bit more of a rational post than mine but basically echoes my thoughts. Someone else said "iconhood" doesnt buy many lexuses. Vinatieri was the best paid kicker in the NFL over the course of the past 5 years. The difference is that AV thinks he is a real football player and should get his $ in a $10 million dollar signing bonus with low base salaries like TOP players in the NFL get paid. The Pats franchised him year to year and paid him his $ year to year. Ryan Longwells' contract this year is the first time I have heard of kickers getting bonus money. The Patriots decided that they are not going to play that game.

Vinatieri has made some HUGE kicks. It does not mean he has won those games. Tom Brady is the one that brought the Pats back from 10-0 against the Raiders to even put the Pats in the position to win the Raiders game.

Ty Law returning an interception for a TD and the general play of the defense had MUCH more to do with the Pats beating the Rams in the SB than Vinatieri did. Tom Brady had a pretty good game against the Panthers and had a bit more to do with the Pats winning than Vinatieri. Did Vinatieri also win the Eagles SB for the Pats? I thought it was there methodical dominance that was the key to that victory.

Bye Adam. Enjoy your time with the Colts. :lmao: at those saying that AV thought he had a better chance at winning a SB with the Colts. Since when have the Colts been within a FG or 2 or making a SB never mind winning one?

The Pats are in great shape. I dont think Grammatica is that great but in the grand scheme of things, he is JUST a kicker. Not even top 20 on the Pats list of importance.
:confused: By the way, I'm going to be :lmao: when Grammatica misses a crucial kick that would have been automatic for Vinitieri.

 
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Any chance this move of his keeps him out of the HOF?  I know kickers usually do not make it in, but there was talk that AV could get in.  Had he stuck with the Patriots and never had to win another big game, I think the mystique would still be there.  By changing teams, and if he never has to win another big game, he will be considered a Colt and not a Patriot, and might not get in.

I not sure I am explaining myself well here...I was just thinking there might be more merit sticking with the team you won three SBs with if no more clutch games come up in your future.

:2cents:

I also think AV is making it sound like the Patriots didn't do right by him, when I think they did.  They actually offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid kicker in Football, it just was not a long enough term one for him.  I think he loves the idea of the dome to help him in his kicking...from what I remember, he strained his back last year and I am sure the cold New England nights don't help that much.

I think the Pat Fans will still show him respect...but not like they did when he was in a Patriot uniform.
:goodposting: A bit more of a rational post than mine but basically echoes my thoughts. Someone else said "iconhood" doesnt buy many lexuses. Vinatieri was the best paid kicker in the NFL over the course of the past 5 years. The difference is that AV thinks he is a real football player and should get his $ in a $10 million dollar signing bonus with low base salaries like TOP players in the NFL get paid. The Pats franchised him year to year and paid him his $ year to year. Ryan Longwells' contract this year is the first time I have heard of kickers getting bonus money. The Patriots decided that they are not going to play that game.

Vinatieri has made some HUGE kicks. It does not mean he has won those games. Tom Brady is the one that brought the Pats back from 10-0 against the Raiders to even put the Pats in the position to win the Raiders game.

Ty Law returning an interception for a TD and the general play of the defense had MUCH more to do with the Pats beating the Rams in the SB than Vinatieri did. Tom Brady had a pretty good game against the Panthers and had a bit more to do with the Pats winning than Vinatieri. Did Vinatieri also win the Eagles SB for the Pats? I thought it was there methodical dominance that was the key to that victory.

Bye Adam. Enjoy your time with the Colts. :lmao: at those saying that AV thought he had a better chance at winning a SB with the Colts. Since when have the Colts been within a FG or 2 or making a SB never mind winning one?

The Pats are in great shape. I dont think Grammatica is that great but in the grand scheme of things, he is JUST a kicker. Not even top 20 on the Pats list of importance.
:confused: By the way, I'm going to be :lmao: when Grammatica misses a crucial kick that would have been automatic for Vinitieri.
I will be :lmao: when the Colts are losing again in the first round of the playoffs 28-10 as the clock winds down and Vinitieri has to think about the totally irrelevant role he will play on that team.What is the biggest kicks that Vanderjagt missed/made in his career in Indy.

Missed

47 yard regular season kick vs. the Patriots 2004

46 yard first round of playoffs vs. Steelers 2005

Made

50+ yarder vs. Denver in the snow on Sunday night football approx 2003

Cant think of any other "big" kicks for Vanderjagt.

The perception that Vinatieri was the "missing piece" to jumpstart the Colts dynasty is just not reality.

 
Bad time to be a Pats fan. :X
Right. With Tom Brady at QB and Belichick our coach, the future looks dark for the Patriots and their fans. I'd hate to be a Patriots fan right now.
 
I will be :lmao: when the Colts are losing again in the first round of the playoffs 28-10 as the clock winds down and Vinitieri has to think about the totally irrelevant role he will play on that team.
Pat, remind me again when the last time was that the Colts lost in the "first round" of the playoffs.
 
Any chance this move of his keeps him out of the HOF? I know kickers usually do not make it in, but there was talk that AV could get in. Had he stuck with the Patriots and never had to win another big game, I think the mystique would still be there. By changing teams, and if he never has to win another big game, he will be considered a Colt and not a Patriot, and might not get in.

I not sure I am explaining myself well here...I was just thinking there might be more merit sticking with the team you won three SBs with if no more clutch games come up in your future.

:2cents:

I also think AV is making it sound like the Patriots didn't do right by him, when I think they did. They actually offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid kicker in Football, it just was not a long enough term one for him. I think he loves the idea of the dome to help him in his kicking...from what I remember, he strained his back last year and I am sure the cold New England nights don't help that much.

I think the Pat Fans will still show him respect...but not like they did when he was in a Patriot uniform.
Just to add to this...I was reading in the Globe and saw this blurb about AV.It was never a slam dunk that the extension for Seymour would get worked out, but after significant free agent losses this offseason, the Patriots wanted to dispel the notion they don't pay their players top dollar, even though in the end they came within $200,000 of matching the Indianapolis Colts' offer to free agent kicker Adam Vinatieri, according to a league source.

 

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