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Vinatieri Speaks (1 Viewer)

Any chance this move of his keeps him out of the HOF?  I know kickers usually do not make it in, but there was talk that AV could get in.  Had he stuck with the Patriots and never had to win another big game, I think the mystique would still be there.  By changing teams, and if he never has to win another big game, he will be considered a Colt and not a Patriot, and might not get in.

I not sure I am explaining myself well here...I was just thinking there might be more merit sticking with the team you won three SBs with if no more clutch games come up in your future.

:2cents:

I also think AV is making it sound like the Patriots didn't do right by him, when I think they did.  They actually offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid kicker in Football, it just was not a long enough term one for him.  I think he loves the idea of the dome to help him in his kicking...from what I remember, he strained his back last year and I am sure the cold New England nights don't help that much.

I think the Pat Fans will still show him respect...but not like they did when he was in a Patriot uniform.
:goodposting: A bit more of a rational post than mine but basically echoes my thoughts. Someone else said "iconhood" doesnt buy many lexuses. Vinatieri was the best paid kicker in the NFL over the course of the past 5 years. The difference is that AV thinks he is a real football player and should get his $ in a $10 million dollar signing bonus with low base salaries like TOP players in the NFL get paid. The Pats franchised him year to year and paid him his $ year to year. Ryan Longwells' contract this year is the first time I have heard of kickers getting bonus money. The Patriots decided that they are not going to play that game.

Vinatieri has made some HUGE kicks. It does not mean he has won those games. Tom Brady is the one that brought the Pats back from 10-0 against the Raiders to even put the Pats in the position to win the Raiders game.

Ty Law returning an interception for a TD and the general play of the defense had MUCH more to do with the Pats beating the Rams in the SB than Vinatieri did. Tom Brady had a pretty good game against the Panthers and had a bit more to do with the Pats winning than Vinatieri. Did Vinatieri also win the Eagles SB for the Pats? I thought it was there methodical dominance that was the key to that victory.

Bye Adam. Enjoy your time with the Colts. :lmao: at those saying that AV thought he had a better chance at winning a SB with the Colts. Since when have the Colts been within a FG or 2 or making a SB never mind winning one?

The Pats are in great shape. I dont think Grammatica is that great but in the grand scheme of things, he is JUST a kicker. Not even top 20 on the Pats list of importance.
:confused: By the way, I'm going to be :lmao: when Grammatica misses a crucial kick that would have been automatic for Vinitieri.
I will be :lmao: when the Colts are losing again in the first round of the playoffs 28-10 as the clock winds down and Vinitieri has to think about the totally irrelevant role he will play on that team.What is the biggest kicks that Vanderjagt missed/made in his career in Indy.

Missed

47 yard regular season kick vs. the Patriots 2004

46 yard first round of playoffs vs. Steelers 2005

Made

50+ yarder vs. Denver in the snow on Sunday night football approx 2003

Cant think of any other "big" kicks for Vanderjagt.

The perception that Vinatieri was the "missing piece" to jumpstart the Colts dynasty is just not reality.
You forgot the GW kick that Vandy missed in the 2000 playoffs at Miami. That was a huge miss for the franchise, meaning if he made that kick Manning would have notched a playoff win much earlier in his career.
 
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I will be  :lmao: when the Colts are losing again in the first round of the playoffs 28-10 as the clock winds down and Vinitieri has to think about the totally irrelevant role he will play on that team.
Pat, remind me again when the last time was that the Colts lost in the "first round" of the playoffs.
Was it 3 or 4 years ago when they got blasted by the MIGHTY Jets 41-0 in the first round. But actually what I meant was THEIR first playoff game which usually occurs in the Divisional round.The theme of the post is that the Colts have not exactly made a lot of deep runs into the playoffs. They have been to one conference championship game and got dominated by the Patriots.

Use semantics all you want but the Colts/Manning are a very flawed playoff team.

 
I am giving Vinatieri heat because according to his father he wanted NOTHING more than to remain a Patriot for his whole career. Bull spit. Lets count the reasons he left:

1. Wanted to play for a championship team (he LEFT a championship team) :thumbdown:

2. More money :thumbdown: According to reports the Pats offered negligably the same money.

3. Kicking in a dome :thumbup: I'll buy that.

4. The Patriots kept their word and did not franchise him a third time. They could have. They did not HAVE to let him hit the market.

5. He's a whiny baby that was upset about being franchised for 2 straight years. :cry: :thumbup: :thumbup: ding ding. Yes, amongst ultimate signs of disrespect, franchising the kicker has to rank right up there. :sarcasm:

 
Good riddance to Vinatieri.  The word I hear is that the Patriots were getting sick of his whining about his contract.  I was franchised, boo friggin hoo.  You are a kicker. 
He is a kicker. A kicker without whom the Patriots might still be looking for their first Super Bowl win.
Wait, I thought the Tuck Rule won the Patriots their first superbowl?Or was AV's kick 80+ yds in superbowl cause I still remember the TEAM having to get themselves in position to win that first superbowl.

A quick summary from most Pats fans that I know:

-Adam you are a NE sports legend

-We thank you for your time here

-We understand the need for you to secure better stats, stay with a superbowl contender.

-We also will give you a standing O on 11.05.06

-We then give, whoever puts you on your butt during a return, a standing O.

-If you had gone to the Raiders or Miami, we would have probably taken it personally.

-Hope the extra 200,000 is worth the torment of being close but no cigar.

-We all would rather have contracts extended to every down players rather than that of the kicker if it came down to splitting hairs over 200,000 or so dollars.

-Thanks for all you have done, now you are the enemy.

 
I am giving Vinatieri heat because according to his father he wanted NOTHING more than to remain a Patriot for his whole career. Bull spit. Lets count the reasons he left:

1. Wanted to play for a championship team (he LEFT a championship team) :thumbdown:

2. More money :thumbdown: According to reports the Pats offered negligably the same money.

3. Kicking in a dome :thumbup: I'll buy that.

4. The Patriots kept their word and did not franchise him a third time. They could have. They did not HAVE to let him hit the market.

5. He's a whiny baby that was upset about being franchised for 2 straight years. :cry: :thumbup: :thumbup: ding ding. Yes, amongst ultimate signs of disrespect, franchising the kicker has to rank right up there. :sarcasm:
You have serious anger management issues. First, even if he is "just a kicker", there is no doubt that he played an integral role in the sucess of the Pats over the last few years. Note that I'm not attempting to measure his value vs. anyone else. I'm only pointing out that he was a significant component. Second, despite his position, Kickers are offered multi-year deals all the time and such offers have significant "security" value, so why shouldn't AV ask for one, or go where they'll give it to him. You also said in earlier post that AV is acting like the team treated him like crap. I don't get that message from this interview. Basically, I don't see where your hatred of this guy come from. Do you think AV is the only guy that gets fed up of getting franchised year after year? Have you ever heard a player say they were excited at being franchised and looking forward to only playing for year to year deals? I recall John Abraham being a fairly unhappy guy recently, and he's not the best at his position.

Accept it that AV wanted a multi-year deal, the Colts offered it and the Pats didn't. Their needs weren't being met so they parted ways. Everything else is soundbites.

 
I am giving Vinatieri heat because according to his father he wanted NOTHING more than to remain a Patriot for his whole career.  Bull spit.  Lets count the reasons he left:

1.  Wanted to play for a championship team (he LEFT a championship team)  :thumbdown:

2.  More money  :thumbdown: According to reports the Pats offered negligably the same money.

3.  Kicking in a dome  :thumbup: I'll buy that.

4.  The Patriots kept their word and did not franchise him a third time.  They could have.  They did not HAVE to let him hit the market.

5.  He's a whiny baby that was upset about being franchised for 2 straight years.  :cry:   :thumbup:   :thumbup: ding ding.  Yes, amongst ultimate signs of disrespect, franchising the kicker has to rank right up there.  :sarcasm:
You have serious anger management issues. First, even if he is "just a kicker", there is no doubt that he played an integral role in the sucess of the Pats over the last few years. Note that I'm not attempting to measure his value vs. anyone else. I'm only pointing out that he was a significant component. Second, despite his position, Kickers are offered multi-year deals all the time and such offers have significant "security" value, so why shouldn't AV ask for one, or go where they'll give it to him. You also said in earlier post that AV is acting like the team treated him like crap. I don't get that message from this interview. Basically, I don't see where your hatred of this guy come from. Do you think AV is the only guy that gets fed up of getting franchised year after year? Have you ever heard a player say they were excited at being franchised and looking forward to only playing for year to year deals? I recall John Abraham being a fairly unhappy guy recently, and he's not the best at his position.

Accept it that AV wanted a multi-year deal, the Colts offered it and the Pats didn't. Their needs weren't being met so they parted ways. Everything else is soundbites.
You dont see the difference between franchising AV and John Abraham? Have you ever heard of a kicker being franchised besides AV? Bottom line is the Pats were paying him VERY well and all he did is b i t c h about it.When John Abraham plays, his career could be over on any down. If a kicker is good, he basically lasts in the league for 15-20 years without much chance of career ending injury.

REAL football players have to fear a short career. Kickers dont have that fear unless they SUCK. You dont see the difference?

 
You dont see the difference between franchising AV and John Abraham? Have you ever heard of a kicker being franchised besides AV? Bottom line is the Pats were paying him VERY well and all he did is b i t c h about it.

When John Abraham plays, his career could be over on any down. If a kicker is good, he basically lasts in the league for 15-20 years without much chance of career ending injury.

REAL football players have to fear a short career. Kickers dont have that fear unless they SUCK. You dont see the difference?
The point isn't whether I see a difference. Of course there is a difference in their relative risks of injury and impact on the game, thus the difference in payscale. There is a reason the best kicker in the game makes a fraction of what what the best QB gets.The point is that, within a competitive marketplace, other teams would offer him a multi-year deal and the Pats didn't. I'm not saying we need to hold a benefit for the guy, only that his reasons for not liking the franchise tag are valid (i.e. they limit his opportunity to seek a long term deal with another franchise) and shared by every other player that has ever been designated as such. Why is that hard to understand?

By the way, I don't disagree with the Pat decision to not offer him a long term deal. My point is that there is nothing wrong with a team and player not coming to terms. It's not a reason to hate the player.

 
You dont see the difference between franchising AV and John Abraham?  Have you ever heard of a kicker being franchised besides AV?  Bottom line is the Pats were paying him VERY well and all he did is b i t c h about it.

When John Abraham plays, his career could be over on any down.  If a kicker is good, he basically lasts in the league for 15-20 years without much chance of career ending injury.

REAL football players have to fear a short career.  Kickers dont have that fear unless they SUCK.  You dont see the difference?
The point isn't whether I see a difference. Of course there is a difference in their relative risks of injury and impact on the game, thus the difference in payscale. There is a reason the best kicker in the game makes a fraction of what what the best QB gets.The point is that, within a competitive marketplace, other teams would offer him a multi-year deal and the Pats didn't. I'm not saying we need to hold a benefit for the guy, only that his reasons for not liking the franchise tag are valid (i.e. they limit his opportunity to seek a long term deal with another franchise) and shared by every other player that has ever been designated as such. Why is that hard to understand?

By the way, I don't disagree with the Pat decision to not offer him a long term deal. My point is that there is nothing wrong with a team and player not coming to terms. It's not a reason to hate the player.
I dont hate players for not coming to terms with their team. I have nothing but love for Willie McGinest and David Givens.Other players with the Franchise Tag are losing out on Signing Bonuses usually upwards of $10-15 million. ie. The long term security they must seek because of the threat of injury.

I guess part of my distaste for Vinatieri is because I dont consider kickers real football players. Up until this year (Minnesota with Longwell and Indy with Vinatieri) I hadnt heard of ANY kickers getting signing bonus $. Therefore, no matter how long term a deal a kicker signs, it is a year to year deal (UNTIL THIS YEAR).

I'm just not buying this crap that Vinatieri is putting out there that the Pats didnt show him any "love" and disrespected him through the years. Match up his year to year salary against other kickers in the league and tell me how the Pats have disrespected Vinatieri?

If Vinatieri had left to go to Dallas to be reunited with Parcells out of some loyalty to Big Bill because Parcells gave him his chance when he wasnt even drafted, I wouldnt feel the way I do towards him.

 
I'm just not buying this crap that Vinatieri is putting out there that the Pats didnt show him any "love" and disrespected him through the years. Match up his year to year salary against other kickers in the league and tell me how the Pats have disrespected Vinatieri?
Out of curiosity, and this is probably more of a franchise tag question, but was AV the highest paid kicker the last 2 years? As I understand it, the franchise tag guarantees a salary equal to the average of the top 5 at the same position. So if we were to assume that AV is the #1 kicker (I know this is arguable), then he may in fact have been underpaid (relatively speaking of course) by being franchised. Is this right?As for the comment that you don't consider kickers real football players, I have no response. I suppose you are welcome to your opinion, and the fact that the position isn't as physical as other positions, which allows a runt like Martin Gramatica to play, is a valid statement. But kicker also happens to have one of the most significant impacts on the result of a game. FGs and field position are critical, especially in close games, and there are many instances of teams winning or losing on the shoulders of their kicker. Kind of like closers in baseball, they may not have caught a 3rd down conversion pass over the middle, but very often they're in there when the game is on the line.

 
I guess part of my distaste for Vinatieri is because I dont consider kickers real football players. Up until this year (Minnesota with Longwell and Indy with Vinatieri) I hadnt heard of ANY kickers getting signing bonus $. Therefore, no matter how long term a deal a kicker signs, it is a year to year deal (UNTIL THIS YEAR).
Actually, a signing bonus is commonplace for the bigger name kickers. Just a few examples:Wilkins got 1.5 million in 2001

Longwell got 2 million in 2001 on an extension

Elam got 2.6 million in 2003

Akers got 1 million last year, along with a 1 million roster bonus this year

Kris Brown got 2 million in 2005

Wilkins recently extended, and got a 3 million bonus

 
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I'm just not buying this crap that Vinatieri is putting out there that the Pats didnt show him any "love" and disrespected him through the years.  Match up his year to year salary against other kickers in the league and tell me how the Pats have disrespected Vinatieri?
Out of curiosity, and this is probably more of a franchise tag question, but was AV the highest paid kicker the last 2 years? As I understand it, the franchise tag guarantees a salary equal to the average of the top 5 at the same position. So if we were to assume that AV is the #1 kicker (I know this is arguable), then he may in fact have been underpaid (relatively speaking of course) by being franchised. Is this right?As for the comment that you don't consider kickers real football players, I have no response. I suppose you are welcome to your opinion, and the fact that the position isn't as physical as other positions, which allows a runt like Martin Gramatica to play, is a valid statement. But kicker also happens to have one of the most significant impacts on the result of a game. FGs and field position are critical, especially in close games, and there are many instances of teams winning or losing on the shoulders of their kicker. Kind of like closers in baseball, they may not have caught a 3rd down conversion pass over the middle, but very often they're in there when the game is on the line.
There are some rules about the Franchise Tag that are not commonly known. I read that once you have franchised someone, if you do it again, they get a bump of 20% above the average 5 salaries. This is what happened with Vinatieri to make him the highest paid kicker last year.I tried to google his salary over the past 10 years but I couldnt find it. Suffice to say, I think he was VERY well paid over at least the past 5 years.

Here is a post from another board that probably sums up my position better than I have:

Thank God you are not running the Patriots. Adam did NOT want to be franchised, he told BB that before the season ended. BB actually did him a favor by not franchising him and allowing him to go to free agency. The Patriots made him an offer that would have made him the highest paid kicker in the league. He turned that offer down. Whose fault is that???

BB doe not pay players for past glories, and I am glad he doesn't. Vinatieri has made some HUGE kicks with the Patriots, but he also cashed some HUGE paychecks on the Monday after those games. He was paid handsomely during his time here. He's got no beef about that. It is clear to me that AV is no different than 90% of the players in the NFL. It's not about being part of a Championship team for him. It's not about being one of the most beloved athletes in the history of New England for him. It's not about playing in one place for your entire career, and becoming a sports icon in the process. No, no, no, it's not about any of that stuff for Adam Vinatieri. It's all about MONEY, as it is so many times with so many players. They don't give a #### about you, the fan. All they care about is how many Benjamins they have in their bank accounts.

Thanks for the memories Adam, but you are now an official . You won't receive any warm welcomes from me when you come to Gillette to face my beloved Patriots. I hope you miss every kick you attempt, and pull a hamstring in the process.

Good ridance.

 
I guess part of my distaste for Vinatieri is because I dont consider kickers real football players.  Up until this year (Minnesota with Longwell and Indy with Vinatieri) I hadnt heard of ANY kickers getting signing bonus $.  Therefore, no matter how long term a deal a kicker signs, it is a year to year deal (UNTIL THIS YEAR).
Actually, a signing bonus is commonplace for the bigger name kickers. Just a few examples:Wilkins got 1.5 million in 2001

Longwell got 2 million in 2001 on an extension

Elam got 2.6 million in 2003

Akers got 1 million last year, along with a 1 million roster bonus this year

Wilkins recently extended, and got a 3 million bonus
But those signing bonuses are peanuts. They are not the security providing bonuses that position players get.If Wilkins got a bonus of $1.5 million and a salary of $1 million and Vinatieri got a salary of $2.5 million, Wilkins did not get more guaranteed money than Vinatieri.

In each of those cases, the signing bonus guarantee is LESS than what Vinatieri was getting as a franchise kicker. Those kickers got no more guaranteed money than Vinatieri. Its a myth.

 
I think he got off the boat at the right time, Pats on their way down at this point, and the Colts will be a better chance to make it to the SB in the next few years...

Man got paid, can't fault him for that, business is business.... :boxing:

 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest.

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.

 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest. 

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here. I'm legitimately curious as to how this attitude came about. It's prevalent with the Red Sox and Patriots.
 
Not to hijack but can you imagine the pressure when Vinateri lines up for the kick in the Championship game with 2 seconds left down by 2? That's gonna be some bigtime pressure.

 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest.

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here. I'm legitimately curious as to how this attitude came about. It's prevalent with the Red Sox and Patriots.
:shock: Ok, so you call all Boston fans douchebags, and in your next post you deny that you were trying to stir things up. What kind of "answer" do you really expect from your "question?"

 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest. 

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here. I'm legitimately curious as to how this attitude came about. It's prevalent with the Red Sox and Patriots.
:shock: Ok, so you call all Boston fans douchebags, and in your next post you deny that you were trying to stir things up. What kind of "answer" do you really expect from your "question?"
I don't see what's not to understand. Boston fans ARE whiny douchebags. We've established that. Now, the question is, how did they get that way?
 
Not to hijack but can you imagine the pressure when Vinateri lines up for the kick in the Championship game with 2 seconds left down by 2? That's gonna be some bigtime pressure.
How about when it's Grammatica?
 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest.

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here. I'm legitimately curious as to how this attitude came about. It's prevalent with the Red Sox and Patriots.
:shock: Ok, so you call all Boston fans douchebags, and in your next post you deny that you were trying to stir things up. What kind of "answer" do you really expect from your "question?"
I don't see what's not to understand. Boston fans ARE whiny douchebags. We've established that. Now, the question is, how did they get that way?
Just the same way the current argument started.1) Someone dropped an uncalled for insult on Boston fans.

2) Boston fan takes up the defense for his team/teams.

3) Other people jump in and add their 2 cents. Their replies are generally rude too (as yours was)

4) Argument continues for awhile.

5) Eventually the argument ends. It's likely that someone antagonized a Boston fan into writing something stupid.

6) Someone looks at one bad Boston comment amongst many rude antagonistic comments and declared "All Boston Fans are tools!"

 
I am sure the vocal, angry Pats fans don't speak for all Pats fans, so please excuse yourself from this statement:

You ingrates deserve whatever failed soccer player lines up and kicks for you. I hope you get Cole Ford on his worst day.

Why on Earth couldn't you just say, "Thanks for the best years of your career, good luck against everyone except us."

Shocking that a player might make a decision based on finances.

 
I am sure the vocal, angry Pats fans don't speak for all Pats fans, so please excuse yourself from this statement:

You ingrates deserve whatever failed soccer player lines up and kicks for you. I hope you get Cole Ford on his worst day.

Why on Earth couldn't you just say, "Thanks for the best years of your career, good luck against everyone except us."

Shocking that a player might make a decision based on finances.
But Adam has not said it was about finances....everything else being equal he got $200,000 more money and the ability to kick inside a dome. I don't think the Patriots let Adam down. I think Adam let the Patriot fans down. I think that is what you are hearing about Adam. Shoot I hope he does well since he is usually my fantasy football kicker... :D
 
I am sure the vocal, angry Pats fans don't speak for all Pats fans, so please excuse yourself from this statement:

You ingrates deserve whatever failed soccer player lines up and kicks for you.  I hope you get Cole Ford on his worst day. 

Why on Earth couldn't you just say, "Thanks for the best years of your career, good luck against everyone except us."

Shocking that a player might make a decision based on finances.
But Adam has not said it was about finances....everything else being equal he got $200,000 more money and the ability to kick inside a dome. I don't think the Patriots let Adam down. I think Adam let the Patriot fans down. I think that is what you are hearing about Adam. Shoot I hope he does well since he is usually my fantasy football kicker... :D
:goodposting: I dont begrudge a guy taking more money. I wish the best to Willie McGinest and David Givens. But when Vinatieri (or his people) say "All I wanted to do was remain a Patriot for the rest of my career.", and then takes veiled shots at the organization as they go out the door, that irritates me. I lost respect for Vinatieri and do not wish him well. I hope his back goes out and the Colts get stuck with his contract.

 
I lost respect for Vinatieri and do not wish him well. I hope his back goes out and the Colts get stuck with his contract.
....and I hope AV kicks the game winning FG to go to the SB in Foxboro, in a blizzard. God, wouldn't that be sweet.
 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest.

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here. I'm legitimately curious as to how this attitude came about. It's prevalent with the Red Sox and Patriots.
:shock: Ok, so you call all Boston fans douchebags, and in your next post you deny that you were trying to stir things up. What kind of "answer" do you really expect from your "question?"
I don't see what's not to understand. Boston fans ARE whiny douchebags. We've established that. Now, the question is, how did they get that way?
Just the same way the current argument started.1) Someone dropped an uncalled for insult on Boston fans.

2) Boston fan takes up the defense for his team/teams.

3) Other people jump in and add their 2 cents. Their replies are generally rude too (as yours was)

4) Argument continues for awhile.

5) Eventually the argument ends. It's likely that someone antagonized a Boston fan into writing something stupid.

6) Someone looks at one bad Boston comment amongst many rude antagonistic comments and declared "All Boston Fans are tools!"
Fair enough assessment but I think #1 happens because Boston fans are such douchebags. Of course I'm painting with a broad brush here. Hell, you might personally not be one. I mean, I'm a Longhorn fan and I'll readily admit that a good portion of our fan base is a bunch of jerkoffs.

 
Only Patriot fans could turn a kicker leaving via free agency into a 2 page whine fest. 

Why are Boston fans such douchebags?
Not that I agree with your (stupid) opinion, but Boston fans like controversy. This means when you think you are being smart and stirring up trouble, you are actually just entertaining us. And we love to play along. I personally love a good fight, just like every other Red Sox/Patriots fan.I get a kick out of this with the whole "whiney tool" mentality here. The more we hear posts like yours, the more we are convinced that we are right, that everyone really is against us. So we might as well argue more.

And we never get tired of it.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here. I'm legitimately curious as to how this attitude came about. It's prevalent with the Red Sox and Patriots.
:shock: Ok, so you call all Boston fans douchebags, and in your next post you deny that you were trying to stir things up. What kind of "answer" do you really expect from your "question?"
I don't see what's not to understand. Boston fans ARE whiny douchebags. We've established that. Now, the question is, how did they get that way?
Just the same way the current argument started.1) Someone dropped an uncalled for insult on Boston fans.

2) Boston fan takes up the defense for his team/teams.

3) Other people jump in and add their 2 cents. Their replies are generally rude too (as yours was)

4) Argument continues for awhile.

5) Eventually the argument ends. It's likely that someone antagonized a Boston fan into writing something stupid.

6) Someone looks at one bad Boston comment amongst many rude antagonistic comments and declared "All Boston Fans are tools!"
Fair enough assessment but I think #1 happens because Boston fans are such douchebags. Of course I'm painting with a broad brush here. Hell, you might personally not be one. I mean, I'm a Longhorn fan and I'll readily admit that a good portion of our fan base is a bunch of jerkoffs.
Did you somehow manage not to get the memo that 'whiny tool' baiting is so 2004? :rolleyes: When a player who has been an icon on the team for years leaves for $200k difference in salary, people are going to have feelings about it. Signing with the Colts is a pretty big FU too.
 
Adam Vinatieri’s stylish Colts baseball cap seems to fit, although it isn’t nearly as well-worn and form-fitting as the Boston Red Sox one in his locker. He’s still breaking in his new attire. “I wore the hat around a bunch to get used to it,” Vinatieri said. “It’s a great feeling. I have huge respect for all the guys in this locker room, and I had that long before I became a member of this team.”

Vinatieri looks around the Union Federal Football Center locker room. He sees Dwight Freeney across the way, playing Xbox 360. Dallas Clark is to the far right, talking to anyone and everyone, and a media horde is straight ahead, waiting for quarterback Peyton Manning. Vinatieri adjusts. He’s still shaking the feeling of being in the opponent’s locker room, especially after spending all 10 years in the NFL as part of the New England Patriots. You might remember him kicking a couple of Super Bowl-winning field goals.

But the Patriots let the NFL’s best clutch kicker leave without a fuss, and he signed with the Colts as a free agent, no looking back. “I feel a little weird for the first day,” Vinatieri said, “but I’m sure that will go away quick.”
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