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Vinatieri to visit the Packers... (1 Viewer)
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Damn, wanted him in Dallas.
Maybe we can still get the "idiot" kicker.
Idiot kicker and TO in one weekend would be good for me.....
Maybe we can still get the "idiot" kicker.
Idiot kicker and TO in one weekend would be good for me.....
Spike
Footballguy
I don't understand why the Pack will talk with Adam (who will cost upwards - without a doubt - of 2.5 million per year in a long-term deal) when they could have gotten Longwell for (at most) 2 million per year in a long-term deal.
I wouldn't have thought the Pack had that sort of money.
I wouldn't have thought the Pack had that sort of money.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Like Givens (who got consecutive 1 year deals) I'd be very surprised if Vinatieri's in NE next year.
The Patriots had the opportunity to step up and keep both players, but they let them play the market, which is a losing prop for any team to pay what other team's (with more money or a pressing need for that positional player) are willing to pay.
The Patriots had the opportunity to step up and keep both players, but they let them play the market, which is a losing prop for any team to pay what other team's (with more money or a pressing need for that positional player) are willing to pay.
Kleck.
Footballguy
Green Bay has plenty of cap room, and IMO, Longwell would not have resigned with Green Bay even if they offered him more than what the Vikings did. He wanted out.I'd be happy to see the Packers land arguably the best kicker in the NFL, it would be a nice upgrade. However, I wouldn't be all that thrilled to see them dump that kind of money on a kicker when there are other areas that need the money more. Also really curious as to what Vinatieri will ask for. If Longwell gets $2 mil/year, I'd be asking for atleast $3/year if I were him.
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patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
Patriots could probably find some kicker out of college after the draft, give him the minimum, and he would be a top 5 kicker.
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Keep in mind that the Patriots have only been in the top five in kicker scoring twice since Vinatieri arrived in 1996. Starting with last year first, here's where they finished:19, 1, 11, 10, 11, 15, 16, 7, 10, 5
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I dunno but you would think a kicker would be the last thing the Packers should worry about. A punter on the other hand...
Mike Herman
Footballguy
patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
In other words, they can find talent at the school of the blind's football team. Someone there knows how to pick players.
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
This guy knows stuff. The Brandt connection is very real, and bodes well for Green Bay. Also, I'd rather have Vinatieri than Longwell.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Everything that I have read indicates that Vinatieri is balancing GB, NE, and Dallas. Each has positives and negatives. I suspect that he will visit Dallas after GB.
In other news, the agents for both Paul Edinger and Vanderjagt have called Dallas. I seriously doubt that BP and Vanderjerk would get along, particularly with his inability/unwillingness to kick off effectively. But Edinger might be a fit in Dallas if they deem AV too expensive.
In other news, the agents for both Paul Edinger and Vanderjagt have called Dallas. I seriously doubt that BP and Vanderjerk would get along, particularly with his inability/unwillingness to kick off effectively. But Edinger might be a fit in Dallas if they deem AV too expensive.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IMO, Adam V.'s destination almost has to be a playoff caliber team that is in need of a kicker as a difference maker in close games. Does anyone think Green Bay fits the profile? Investing $3 million a year in a kicker when your team was 4-12 makes no sense to me.
Dallas seems like a much better fit, as the 'Boys finished 9-7 but lost 5 games by less than a TD and 3 by 3 points or less. Vinatieri could help turn a 9 or 10 win team into a 12 win team. The question is whether Dallas wants to pony up $3 million a year for a kicker.
Dallas seems like a much better fit, as the 'Boys finished 9-7 but lost 5 games by less than a TD and 3 by 3 points or less. Vinatieri could help turn a 9 or 10 win team into a 12 win team. The question is whether Dallas wants to pony up $3 million a year for a kicker.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I get that part, I'm just playing up the Andrew Brandt connection.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
you realize they were 4-12 with a rookie G on one side and an inexperienced G on the other, injuries to thier 1, 2, & 3 HBs, 1 & 3 WRs, & TE, right?I mean, seriously, dont' take thier whole offense away last year and the Packers would have been 10-6 AT LEAST...
plus, they were like 1-8 or so before they finally lost by more combined than they beat NO by... they were losing close games, what do you need when you lose close games? A clutch kicker...
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
From today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408314
Vinatieri is represented by the same agents who handle defensive end Aaron Kampman, so it’s possible the two sides have a structure in mind.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408314
Vinatieri is represented by the same agents who handle defensive end Aaron Kampman, so it’s possible the two sides have a structure in mind.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Was there a major problem with Longwell's kicking? He's been one of the better kickers for 10 years and has hit at 80%+ on his kicks in 8 seasons. IIRC, he was around 75% on FGs last year.As for the team, injuries happen. The Pats had more injuries than the Packers did yet were a couple plays/calls/turnovers away from going back to the AFC title game--a far cry from 4-12.
I'm not saying that the Packers weren't better than their record indicated, only that I don't think the kicking game was the cause (or the solution) to their problems.
Dallas kickers missed more than 35% of their FG attempts and without a doubt cost them several games and a playoff spot had they made even some of those kicks.
nathanbalboa
Footballguy
If the Packers sign Vinatieri, Thompson will have officially lost his mind.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Care to elaborate?Vinateiri is a proven clutch kicker, and kicks very well in bad weather. Green Bay has bad weather.
Longwell was a good bad weather kicker, but has complained about it for the last few years, and generally blamed everybody but himself last year for missed kicks.
At the very least, these guys are equals. However, I contend that Vinateiri is the better kicker.
I personally believe the Pats and Adam have a tentative deal in place where he will go back with any offer and they'll work something out. He is entrenched in NE (on and off the field) and I just can't see him moving on.
I think teams feel this way - look how quiet it's been...I wonder if teams are even bothering to put forth serious calls knowing how futile it might be.
I think teams feel this way - look how quiet it's been...I wonder if teams are even bothering to put forth serious calls knowing how futile it might be.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Historically, yes Longwell has been a very accurate kicker. However with the loss of Doug Peterson he hasn't been comfortable with his holder(s) and his accuracy had gone down in '04 and '05.I'm not saying that Longwell himself cost the Packers these games but there are 3 games in particular where the Packers could have been in a better postition to win if he were on his game.
17-16 loss to Tampa - 1 missed PAT and 1 missed FG
23-20 loss to Minnesota - 2 missed FG (indoors)
24-17 loss to Chicago - 2 missed FG
strykerpks
Footballguy
I stand corrected. I thought he had been blaming bad holds for his misses for 2 years now.
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Uh, OK. Well, read into this what you will then:http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=408839
His record kicking in the clutch sets Vinatieri apart from others. In his career, he has connected on 19 of 20 deciding field goals attempted in the final minute of a game. Two of those occurred in Super Bowl victories and many others occurred in poor weather conditions in New England.
"The guy's a quality kicker," said a special teams coach from another team. "He's performed in big games and made big kicks under pressure. I think he still has a lot of life in him. He can still be effective as a kickoff guy."
cstu
Footballguy
Sure, but that's like saying after some Broncos losses in the 80's that John Elway wasn't more likely to more likely to be clutch in the future. Maybe Vinitieri will miss more big kicks than he has in the past, but the odds are that he'll still be one of a handful of kickers you'd want when a game is on the line. Certain players respond better under pressure than others and it's hard to deny that Vinitieri is great under pressure.
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CalBear
Footballguy
Vinatieri is someone you want to be kicking late in games, because he's a good kicker. But there are probably five kickers in the league who are at least as good, and I don't think there's any real evidence that Vinatieri is better in clutch situations than at any other time. (Unless you edit out his Super Bowl and playoff misses from your "clutch" stats).
Mike Herman
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nerangers
Footballguy
Packers | Vinatieri leaves town without an offer
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:34:42 -0800
Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports free agent PK Adam Vinatieri (Patriots) left Green Bay Friday night, March 17, without a contract offer from the Green Bay Packers following a two-day visit. The prevailing wisdom was that the Packers were serious about offering Vinatieri a mega-deal; otherwise the visit would not have taken place. Vinatieri is likely looking for the largest deal ever given to a kicker, which would mean an annual salary well over $2 million per season and a signing bonus north of $3 million.
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:34:42 -0800
Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports free agent PK Adam Vinatieri (Patriots) left Green Bay Friday night, March 17, without a contract offer from the Green Bay Packers following a two-day visit. The prevailing wisdom was that the Packers were serious about offering Vinatieri a mega-deal; otherwise the visit would not have taken place. Vinatieri is likely looking for the largest deal ever given to a kicker, which would mean an annual salary well over $2 million per season and a signing bonus north of $3 million.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Packers | Vinatieri leaves town without an offer
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:34:42 -0800
Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports free agent PK Adam Vinatieri (Patriots) left Green Bay Friday night, March 17, without a contract offer from the Green Bay Packers following a two-day visit. The prevailing wisdom was that the Packers were serious about offering Vinatieri a mega-deal; otherwise the visit would not have taken place. Vinatieri is likely looking for the largest deal ever given to a kicker, which would mean an annual salary well over $2 million per season and a signing bonus north of $3 million.
The Packers are better off spending this money in other areas, like defense. Why spend all this money on a kicker, when the packers will be entering a rebuilding year (s)
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:34:42 -0800
Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports free agent PK Adam Vinatieri (Patriots) left Green Bay Friday night, March 17, without a contract offer from the Green Bay Packers following a two-day visit. The prevailing wisdom was that the Packers were serious about offering Vinatieri a mega-deal; otherwise the visit would not have taken place. Vinatieri is likely looking for the largest deal ever given to a kicker, which would mean an annual salary well over $2 million per season and a signing bonus north of $3 million.
The Packers are better off spending this money in other areas, like defense. Why spend all this money on a kicker, when the packers will be entering a rebuilding year (s)
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
if I remember right, Longwell missed clutch kicks a lot...and he wanted out of GB...
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
They've got plenty of cap money and kickers are at a premium. Vinatierri has a few years left in him so why not sign him. I hope it doesn't take the Packers years to rebuild. They still have plenty of cap room to help out the defense and add a Hawk or Williams in the draft and the Pack won't be too bad this year.Packers | Vinatieri leaves town without an offer
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:34:42 -0800
Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports free agent PK Adam Vinatieri (Patriots) left Green Bay Friday night, March 17, without a contract offer from the Green Bay Packers following a two-day visit. The prevailing wisdom was that the Packers were serious about offering Vinatieri a mega-deal; otherwise the visit would not have taken place. Vinatieri is likely looking for the largest deal ever given to a kicker, which would mean an annual salary well over $2 million per season and a signing bonus north of $3 million.
The Packers are better off spending this money in other areas, like defense. Why spend all this money on a kicker, when the packers will be entering a rebuilding year (s)
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think how long it takes will have to do with how quickly Rodgers develops...or shows he is not good enough and they replace him.They've got plenty of cap money and kickers are at a premium. Vinatierri has a few years left in him so why not sign him. I hope it doesn't take the Packers years to rebuild. They still have plenty of cap room to help out the defense and add a Hawk or Williams in the draft and the Pack won't be too bad this year.Packers | Vinatieri leaves town without an offer
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:34:42 -0800
Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports free agent PK Adam Vinatieri (Patriots) left Green Bay Friday night, March 17, without a contract offer from the Green Bay Packers following a two-day visit. The prevailing wisdom was that the Packers were serious about offering Vinatieri a mega-deal; otherwise the visit would not have taken place. Vinatieri is likely looking for the largest deal ever given to a kicker, which would mean an annual salary well over $2 million per season and a signing bonus north of $3 million.
The Packers are better off spending this money in other areas, like defense. Why spend all this money on a kicker, when the packers will be entering a rebuilding year (s)
nerangers
Footballguy
Sources: Vinatieri switches agents
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff | March 21, 2006
League sources indicated today that Adam Vinatieri has chosen Henderson, Nev., based Gary Uberstine to be his new agent, though the move will not be official for a few days.
The free-agent kicker has ended his long-time association with the Neil Cornrich firm after slow-going in the free-agent market to this point. With Cornrich suspended for a year by the National Football League's Players Association, Vinatieri has been represented by Jonathan Hurst of the Cornrich firm. The move to Uberstine will become official when the proper paperwork is filed with the NFLPA. There's also a three-day waiting period before the new agent can assume negotiations so Vinatieri's talks could be on hold until the end of the week or into next week.
Uberstine has represented several Patriots in the past.
He recently negotiated a huge deal for Willie McGinest with the Cleveland Browns, netting him $6 million in guarantees and bonuses and $12 million over three years. Uberstine also represents Troy Brown, who is being courted by the New York Jets. Both players recommended Uberstine to Vinatieri.
Vinatieri currently has two known suitors -- the Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots. The Packers visited with Vinatieri last week and would like to sign the kicker soon. The Patriots had their initial offer to Vinatieri rejected. The Dallas Cowboys could become a player with Vinatieri's strong ties to Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe.
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff | March 21, 2006
League sources indicated today that Adam Vinatieri has chosen Henderson, Nev., based Gary Uberstine to be his new agent, though the move will not be official for a few days.
The free-agent kicker has ended his long-time association with the Neil Cornrich firm after slow-going in the free-agent market to this point. With Cornrich suspended for a year by the National Football League's Players Association, Vinatieri has been represented by Jonathan Hurst of the Cornrich firm. The move to Uberstine will become official when the proper paperwork is filed with the NFLPA. There's also a three-day waiting period before the new agent can assume negotiations so Vinatieri's talks could be on hold until the end of the week or into next week.
Uberstine has represented several Patriots in the past.
He recently negotiated a huge deal for Willie McGinest with the Cleveland Browns, netting him $6 million in guarantees and bonuses and $12 million over three years. Uberstine also represents Troy Brown, who is being courted by the New York Jets. Both players recommended Uberstine to Vinatieri.
Vinatieri currently has two known suitors -- the Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots. The Packers visited with Vinatieri last week and would like to sign the kicker soon. The Patriots had their initial offer to Vinatieri rejected. The Dallas Cowboys could become a player with Vinatieri's strong ties to Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
NECN is now reporting that he has signed with the Colts 
:X
:X Adam Vinatieri Signs In Indy
3/21/2006
Michael Holley of WEEI is reporting that Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri has signed with the Indianapolis Colts. Terms of the deal have yet to be disclosed. Earlier in the day according to a report from the Boston Globe, Vinatieri switched agents to Gary Uberstine. Uberstine reportedly has a business partnership with former Patriot Willie McGinest, which might have led to Vinatieri's decision.
http://www.patsfans.com/
3/21/2006
Michael Holley of WEEI is reporting that Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri has signed with the Indianapolis Colts. Terms of the deal have yet to be disclosed. Earlier in the day according to a report from the Boston Globe, Vinatieri switched agents to Gary Uberstine. Uberstine reportedly has a business partnership with former Patriot Willie McGinest, which might have led to Vinatieri's decision.
http://www.patsfans.com/
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