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Yeah but it's pretty rare for one of those experts to go after a player the way Hoge went after Young.
You mean like the guys on this board with keyboard courage? Just like they won't, he won't.
The 99 yard game winning drive vs. Arizona was pretty much the polar opposite of everything going his way, as were all three of the 4th down conversions on that drive.What more would you like to see?
Its a bit early to "crown" Vince Young. He won close games his rookie year....what some would like to see is how does he respond when the team is losing, him throwing picks, crowd booing etc. That is when he fell apart....He has done ok most of the time when the team is winning.
That's a very good point. But Chris Johnson was also running roughshod. Not that you can blame VY for having a great RB to lean on. I hope it's for real, he's a great athlete.
This does a better job of articulating what I was trying to say. The 99 yard drive was impressive, but down by 4 points at home isn't the most hostile of circumstances. I'm thinking more hostile environment, bad weather, poor officiating, down by 17 early - what have you - and keeping his poise. The knock on Young has been that when ##### hits the fan - he shrinks.
i don't think anyone is saying "He's arrived" just "He's not dead" as so many on this board have said.
Not crowning anyone but I don't understand what people are looking for.He came into a terrible situation on a winless team and has reeled off five consecutive victories. He has contributed greatly to all those victories with his accurate passing, solid running and mostly mistake free game management. He has played well when the team is leading, trailing or tied and what he pulled off on Sunday was impressive by any standard. It should also be noted that as well as Chris Johnson is playing the Titans called 18 passes on that final drive (none intended for CJ) so it looks like the Titans have full faith and confidence that VY can win games as the featured player on the team.Could it all fall apart next Sunday? Sure, but right now all signs are positive regarding VY's future.
I was thinking the same thing but while I couldn't see it on TV, I assume the Cardinals were doing their best to ensure CJ didn't beat them, leaving more open receivers for VY to use. I kept anticipating a screen pass to CJ and he'd take it to the house, I assume the Cardinals were thinking the same. Few players can consistently beat you on one play like he can.You'll also notice that most of the passes were pretty short, high percentage, underneath types. Which happens to be VY's strength (aside from running). Not a knock against him, that's exactly what they should be doing.
Well, they were, of course, as anyone would. But they also played quarters and spied VY all night in a very intensive effort to keep him from beating them with his legs...so he beat them with his arm. He's in a place now where he's just taking what the defense gives. He makes the defense account for an extra player in the running game. Most qbs aren't gonna go when they see that everyone's covered, and they don't have the elusiveness to evade the rush when the pocket collapses. He puts a lot of pressure on Ds that way. They kept VY in the pocket, but at a tremendous price.FUBAR said:
Really? explain...
I hear what your saying but the thing is he has done this before....He is doing and playing similar to before his meltdown. The biggest difference I see outside of CJ, is his WR core is much better and (with the exception of Nate Washington) are catching his passes. But his previous meltdown leads you to believe that he is/was a mentally weak QB for whatever the reasons were/are. I think people are waiting to see how his "mind" reacts to negativity before they believe. When the team is winning and doing well Vince is great....Once he has a 3 pick game with a loss, or just a bad stretch, is where I (and many others) want to see how he handles it.
The guy had a high profile meltdown and lost a high profile job, that's quite a bit of adversity for a 25 year old kid. He ate his humble pie, picked up his lunch pail and went back to work with those same teammates. I don't think he really needs a (3) pick game or a losing streak to "see how his mind reacts..", he is fine. He needed to win a game from the pocket with his arm and he delivered. Now he needs to consistently throw accurate passes and make good decisions (minimize interceptions), that's what will convince more people to climb on the bandwagon.
How he reacts to adversity has been on display for the past five weeks.IMO his "meltdown" as people like to call it was one of the most sensationalized media created non-stories of last season.
Exaclty.The worst thing he did after the game was not show for his MRI. Not good, but if leaving the house pissed off w/o your cellphone and ending up at your buddy's house constitutes a "meltdown", then I must've had multiple meltdowns in my adult life.
Those are differences, with the biggest one being that CJ is there providing relief from VY being the guy who has to shoulder the load on offense by himself. There's a huge difference in the way VY's playing though, too. Not looking for the big play with his legs, rather looking for the first down when he runs, then getting ob...always keeping his eyes downfield and looking to pass until the the last second before having to commit to the run...moving up in the pocket in better response to pressure...shortening his release, and more.
no he was right about VY..he's not a very good QB..this victory-fest that VY is on right now has a limited shelf life..think Derek Anderson, Browns former starting QB..Think Billy Volek. Brooks Bollinger. David Carr. Leftwhich. Kordell Stewart.the list goes on and on. VY is showing flashes here and there, but in the end, he'll begin to crumble..he's just another Billy Volek/DA type of flash-in-the-pan.
It is pretty much all right there. Don't think I could sum it up any further or better than the above.
Link to where he's crumbled besides one dramatically over-hyped event last year? Because I can link to several occasions where he's delivered in the clutch. The biggest irony in all of this is that the best example of a QB that resurrected his career after he was left for dead for significantly better reasons is right on the Titan's roster and that QB is now repeatedly being used as an example of professionalism and poise...
These comparisons are all very different from Vince Young's situation:- Anderson and Volek had not played very much and were therefore able to catch defenses by surprise before coming down to earth after a few games. Vince Young started 33 games before this season -- defenses already know his game, but they haven't figured out how to stop him.
Sorry, but picking the winners straight up is far less work than being able to analyze talent. And, in this particular case, it's apparent that Hoge shows a bias, for one strange reason or another.
And you know this because of what?
Projections?
On a hunch I'm gonna go with "looking at his body of work rather than a 5 game stretch."
Can't really give Titans fans any guff about wondering when/if Vince Young's other shoe is going to drop. I'd want to see a multi-season stretch of top-flight play + poise/leadership, too, before I got all the way back into Young's corner.
While it can be fun to have a "Who's More Worthless?" battle between Hoge and Chris "my sources are my toaster and my teddy bear" Mortensen, no analysis can be complete unless I know what Skip Bayless' and Steven A. Smith's picks were. BTW, trying to say that Mort is dumber than Hoge is like arguing that horse feces smells better than dog feces.
noted.What most people forget about w/ Vince is the mental makeup. We know it well. Witness him sitting on the bench, no expression on his face, thinking about his INT. Suddenly he winces and grabs his knee - "Groan" and gently lays down face first.
Vince is not our guy.
Exactly what conclusion are you drawing from that sequence?How do you feel about him coming back into the game, making plays with his arm and legs and leading the Titans down the field to a TD?What most people forget about w/ Vince is the mental makeup. We know it well. Witness him sitting on the bench, no expression on his face, thinking about his INT. Suddenly he winces and grabs his knee - "Groan" and gently lays down face first.
Vince is not our guy.
