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Vince Young Poll (1 Viewer)
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Not enough choices.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I put an "other" category.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I haven't been around long, but this is the confusingest darned poll I've ever read.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
what part is confusing...I tried to generalize the sentiment that I've hear regarding VY on this board.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Its simple, he needs to learn how to pass the ball
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Well, should I choose the one I associate my opinion with *most*? I ask becuase my opinion matches multiple choices.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
actually I should have put "other" instead of "undecided"...damn.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Voted, He's a better passing QB than people give him credit for, which is to say I think he will eventually be average to above average in that regard.
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
please shareNot one of these options fits my opinion.
Warpig
Footballguy
I voted Mike Vick part Duh (Deux).
I had man love for him coming out of college (and kinda still do). But how did he win most of those games this year? With his legs right? That scares me. Just like Vick, defenses didn't know how to approach him at first. Then they figured him out and made him become a pocket passer and when you force Vick/Young to make throws, you take away what makes them dangerous.
Now if Young learns to rely on his protection and his receivers and be willing to make a throw at the last second even if it means he might take a hit then that will be what makes him a great QB.
Don't rely so much on your legs, become a passer to make the defenses honest, then use your legs as an added weapon to buy time and see if someone manages to get separation.
Just my
I had man love for him coming out of college (and kinda still do). But how did he win most of those games this year? With his legs right? That scares me. Just like Vick, defenses didn't know how to approach him at first. Then they figured him out and made him become a pocket passer and when you force Vick/Young to make throws, you take away what makes them dangerous.
Now if Young learns to rely on his protection and his receivers and be willing to make a throw at the last second even if it means he might take a hit then that will be what makes him a great QB.
Don't rely so much on your legs, become a passer to make the defenses honest, then use your legs as an added weapon to buy time and see if someone manages to get separation.
Just my
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Baron Samedi
Footballguy
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
I think he'll never be a great passer...he'll be a bit under average but his running and leadership abilities will more than make up for it.
Iron Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
If there was a "Leinert is Comparable" choice, I would have agreed whole heartedly.
massraider
Footballguy
Undecided.
Just didn't see that many Titans games, and all the highlights were him making moves with his feet.
Just didn't see that many Titans games, and all the highlights were him making moves with his feet.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
This is pretty much how Steve Young's career went; though granted he was always a more seasoned passer than either Vick or VY.I voted Mike Vick part Duh (Deux).
I had man love for him coming out of college (and kinda still do). But how did he win most of those games this year? With his legs right? That scares me. Just like Vick, defenses didn't know how to approach him at first. Then they figured him out and made him become a pocket passer and when you force Vick/Young to make throws, you take away what makes them dangerous.
Now if Young learns to rely on his protection and his receivers and be willing to make a throw at the last second even if it means he might take a hit then that will be what makes him a great QB.
Don't rely so much on your legs, become a passer to make the defenses honest, then use your legs as an added weapon to buy time and see if someone manages to get separation.
Just my
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
1) Many of the choices aren't mutually exclusive to one another.2) "Leinart is superior" has nothing to do with the other options, other than you being a PAC-10 honk.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If he's even only an average passer, which I believe after this next year he'll be, he'll only grow more studly in his ways.
I want to bear his children.
I want to bear his children.
bostonfred
Footballguy
For these answers to be mutually exclusive enough to be poll options, one would have to believe that, while running QBs rarely succeed, Mike Vick, who is better than Leinart but will not become a top flight QB, will eventually be a great passer(probably when he hits the wall in mid-career as his rushing ability fades). Which is interesting, because Young, is not a better passing QB than people give him credit for, but will eventually win a SB without a great Defense.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
True, I didn't mean for them to be mutually exclusive...just wanted to throw out the most common categories of sentiment I've read around here.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
[maninblack]Truly. You have a dizzying intellect.[/maninblack]
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Again, didn't intend for them to be exclusive as noted above....trying to get a feel for sentiment which has its gray areas.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
The notion that he won this year with his leagues is faulty. Houston and Buffalo showed some dazzling running, but the threat of him running contributed to his success as much as actually running. He made some clutch passes at key times and got better as the weeks wore on.
I'd have voted "Will develop in to a middle of the road passer whose legs will make him a dazzling playmaker and threat for the next 5-6 years until his running tails off and his career arc follows that of his Titans predecessor, Steve McNair, wherein he gets better as a passer for the second 4-5 years of his career, and then he suddenly sucks over night as all of his physical skills abandon him 9 to 11 seasons from now." That wasn't a choice though.
I'd have voted "Will develop in to a middle of the road passer whose legs will make him a dazzling playmaker and threat for the next 5-6 years until his running tails off and his career arc follows that of his Titans predecessor, Steve McNair, wherein he gets better as a passer for the second 4-5 years of his career, and then he suddenly sucks over night as all of his physical skills abandon him 9 to 11 seasons from now." That wasn't a choice though.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
True...another reason why I should have created an "other" option.
However, it seems your sentiment most matches the "he's a better passer than people give him credit for" option...which is very popular thus far.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think he'll have a Michael Jordan-esque career.Early in his career, MJ drove to the basket all the time. As his physical skills declined, however, he changed his game and remained dominant.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Do you think VY has the decision making ability to make such a change in his game? Afterall, QB is a lot different than shooting guard.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Absolutely. I think VY's "football IQ" is very high.Do you think VY has the decision making ability to make such a change in his game? Afterall, QB is a lot different than shooting guard.I think he'll have a Michael Jordan-esque career.Early in his career, MJ drove to the basket all the time. As his physical skills declined, however, he changed his game and remained dominant.
guderian
Footballguy
1. His QB stats are in the middle of the pack of rookie QBs historically, however, going into the year the naysayers were arguing that he wouldn't be ready for the NFL game for a couple of years. By being an average rookie QB, he's shown that he won't be the Ryan Leaf type bust that many were arguing (including you LHUCKS).
2. As a passer Young improved every year at Texas and had the highest passer rating in the country his final season. This shows that he is willing to work on improving as a passer and has the intelligence to pick up an offense.
3. Young improved significantly over the 2006 season. In the first half of the season his rating was 53.2 and in the second half of the season it was 76.5.
4. His 76.5 second-half rating would put him at #19 in the NFL last season. In a 32 team league #16/#17 would be "average". Do I think he can improve another couple of spots in the rankings relatively soon? Without a doubt.
5. In 2006 he played one of the 5 toughest passing SOS in the league (based on fantasy points allowed).
6. The Titans' offense had below average talent. If they improve here that will further help Young.
2. As a passer Young improved every year at Texas and had the highest passer rating in the country his final season. This shows that he is willing to work on improving as a passer and has the intelligence to pick up an offense.
3. Young improved significantly over the 2006 season. In the first half of the season his rating was 53.2 and in the second half of the season it was 76.5.
4. His 76.5 second-half rating would put him at #19 in the NFL last season. In a 32 team league #16/#17 would be "average". Do I think he can improve another couple of spots in the rankings relatively soon? Without a doubt.
5. In 2006 he played one of the 5 toughest passing SOS in the league (based on fantasy points allowed).
6. The Titans' offense had below average talent. If they improve here that will further help Young.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I tend to agree. To watch this season, he went from in the first few weeks running no more then 3 or 4 different plays a game, almost all from the shotgun. Gadgets and handoffs and spoofs of what they did at Texas. By the end of the season, he was finding 3rd and 4th receivers and putting together drives, not just "sparks of potential."Absolutely. I think VY's "football IQ" is very high.Do you think VY has the decision making ability to make such a change in his game? Afterall, QB is a lot different than shooting guard.I think he'll have a Michael Jordan-esque career.Early in his career, MJ drove to the basket all the time. As his physical skills declined, however, he changed his game and remained dominant.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
All strong points.
Brett Favre is a playmaker, not necessarily an extraordinary decision maker so success is definitely attainable for VY.
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guderian
Footballguy
On average, he hit 7.1 different receivers per game over his final 8 games. IMO that shows he had a grasp of a pretty high percentage of the full playbook and was able to exploit that in game conditions.I tend to agree. To watch this season, he went from in the first few weeks running no more then 3 or 4 different plays a game, almost all from the shotgun. Gadgets and handoffs and spoofs of what they did at Texas. By the end of the season, he was finding 3rd and 4th receivers and putting together drives, not just "sparks of potential."Absolutely. I think VY's "football IQ" is very high.Do you think VY has the decision making ability to make such a change in his game? Afterall, QB is a lot different than shooting guard.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I picked "Leinart is superior". Based on what I understand the premise of the poll to be, when I think of Vince Young I still compare him to Leinart, whom I consider to be a better QB now and will be in the future, if only by a hair.
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Marc Faletti
Guest
6 of the choices amount to "he sucks and will continue to suck," and a whopping 2 choices indicate he might become a decent passer or better.
[edited to add: the other 2, the weird Leinart one and the Undecided, are too vague to land on the spectrum.]
what an awesomely fair poll. if this were a restaurant review, the spectrum of choices for rating the dishes would amount to:
-raw sewage
-crapburger
-low-fat crapburger
-expired meat
-expired milk
-moldy bread
-plain yogurt
-caviar
LHUCKS's hatred of Vince just will not die. His credibility may not be as immortal.
[edited to add: the other 2, the weird Leinart one and the Undecided, are too vague to land on the spectrum.]
what an awesomely fair poll. if this were a restaurant review, the spectrum of choices for rating the dishes would amount to:
-raw sewage
-crapburger
-low-fat crapburger
-expired meat
-expired milk
-moldy bread
-plain yogurt
-caviar
LHUCKS's hatred of Vince just will not die. His credibility may not be as immortal.
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geoff8695
Footballguy
I lost 12 pounds since I switched to low-fat crapburgers.edit to add: LHUCKS does seem to be coming around, there's hope yet.
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Why are 8 of the 10 choices negatives for Vince Young? I think he's a great young player.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You obviously missed the part where you were taking a LHUCKS poll.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Because he will faulter....luck won't always go his way(Tom Brady).
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Mike Vick II isn't a compliment?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
But he goes to so many Pro Bowls...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I haven't made up my mind which is more irrelevant - the Pro Bowl or the Oscars.
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Marc Faletti
Guest
Now THAT deserves a poll, Andy.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But in which forum would you put it?
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Marc Faletti
Guest
Too late. It's arrived in the Shark Pool.
kevthegrad
Footballguy
WAY too many choices here in this poll. It will just dilute the real opinion.
I think one selection should have been "overrated"
Or "Mike Vick with a better passing ability"
I think one selection should have been "overrated"
Or "Mike Vick with a better passing ability"
KoolKat
Footballguy
I am a Dynasty Young owner. I got him and Chester Taylor prior to last season for Edge.
I voted that he will win despite mediocre passing ability. Although he is a better passer than Mike Vick, I never see him passing for more than 4000 yds or 30 TDs. However, he will continue to win games because of how multi-faceted he is and his physical ability. Not to mention that his team has nowhere to go but up as far as talent level.
I voted that he will win despite mediocre passing ability. Although he is a better passer than Mike Vick, I never see him passing for more than 4000 yds or 30 TDs. However, he will continue to win games because of how multi-faceted he is and his physical ability. Not to mention that his team has nowhere to go but up as far as talent level.
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