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EBF
Footballguy
Yea, but how many of them were on actual dropbacks and how many were over 20 yards? Young proved that he can run short-mid range passing plays and find a designed target, but that's not a skill that's particularly important for an NFL passer. If it were that easy you'd see Vick and Crumpler playing catch like Young and Thomas were tonight, but the NFL is a different ball game. Gimmicky things like the constant fake to the halfback don't work in the NFL. I'm not saying Young won't be a successful pro, but this game didn't do much to answer the main question marks that his skeptics have about him. Like I said, everyone knew he could run. He played a very similar game last year against Michigan.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I think that's maybe the greatest performance I've ever seen in any sport at any level. He single-handedly beat one of the greatest college teams ever.If he comes out for the draft, the Houston Texans should be contracted if they pass on him.Reggie, your 15 minutes are up...
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Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Young is going to revolutionize the QB position in the NFL like no other QB before him.With that said, I think Leinhart will have a better career.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I've swallowed all the Leinart hype without really seeing any games. Tonight was the first full game I've seen USC play, so maybe it was an aberration, but I was left with only one word to describe Matt Leinart after watching: DUMB.Can you say Rick Mirer?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Damn shame the best college player of all time, no question, never won a Heisman.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He just single handedly beat a team with 2 heisman trophy winners.The Heisman is the single most over rated award in the history of sports.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, as if Young is better than Gino Toretta...
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was watching the game with 10 guys who are very inloved at football at all levels.Towards the end of the game everyone was predicting what was going to happen. There is no way a NFL team will line up in the shot gun every play. Young is by far the best runner but with NFL teams preparing for him can he run 25 times a game like he does now? And have a long career? What do you think?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No need to bring race into this....
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Thanks for clearing that up!What are you talking about?No need to bring race into this....
CravenM
Footballguy
I was laughing when Corso was talking about Vince Young being the best QB he's ever seen 
And whoever comparing him favorably to Michael Vick All good points previously - VYoung's style is very Randall Cunningham-esque: dynamic leader, excellent runner, good touch on the ball.But VYoung has never gotten caught from behind by and the snot busted out of him by a Julius Peppers or Brian Urlacher - the best running QB in the history of the NFL (Vick) has now figured out that it can end your season REALLY quickly.It's a crime that Mack Brown let VYoung throw the way he does (same with Philip Rivers, Chris Leak and others) because most NFL GMs aren't going to want to deal with that. Either they have to fix it over the next several years or expect a 6'5" QB to have the same throwing trajectory as Doug Flutie. I don't care if the guy runs a 4.1 in the 40 - it only means that his passes are going to be a lot easier to bat down and pick off. 
P.S. Texas has an awesome offensive line: big, strong and smart and definitely know their QB's tendencies - it was like they had eyes in the back of their head when he was scrambling.
And whoever comparing him favorably to Michael Vick All good points previously - VYoung's style is very Randall Cunningham-esque: dynamic leader, excellent runner, good touch on the ball.But VYoung has never gotten caught from behind by and the snot busted out of him by a Julius Peppers or Brian Urlacher - the best running QB in the history of the NFL (Vick) has now figured out that it can end your season REALLY quickly.It's a crime that Mack Brown let VYoung throw the way he does (same with Philip Rivers, Chris Leak and others) because most NFL GMs aren't going to want to deal with that. Either they have to fix it over the next several years or expect a 6'5" QB to have the same throwing trajectory as Doug Flutie. I don't care if the guy runs a 4.1 in the 40 - it only means that his passes are going to be a lot easier to bat down and pick off. P.S. Texas has an awesome offensive line: big, strong and smart and definitely know their QB's tendencies - it was like they had eyes in the back of their head when he was scrambling.
Wildman
Footballguy
Good points, but Young did get the snot knocked out of him by a couple of good future LBs at OSU earlier this year and still had the toughness to lead Texas to the win, in a more physical game than what occured last night. The USC game was more impressive because of the mental/psychological pressure of it being the game for the all the marbles. I think the Young-Vick comparison is flawed. Young has shown a fair amount of improvement as a passer throughout the year. I agree he'll have to adjust to running something other than the spread offense and the throwing motion could be problematic, but he has all the tools--arm, awareness, poise, athleticism, intelligence, leadership--to be an excellent pro QB. I will be a little surprised if Leinart remains a top three pick. I am impressed with his poise, mobility in the pocket, and on field awareness, but his arm strength is pretty suspect. They have to run play action just so Leinart can deliver an accurate intermediate or deep pass with a semblance of velocity. The USC coaching staff does a terrific job making the most of Leinart's strengths and disguising his weaknesses. 300 yards passing? Watch the game again and count the amount of passes thrown for less than 15 yards in the air. Watch any USC game this year and observe how often the coaching staff calls a pass play that is a dump off, short slant, or short curl to a back or WR. When the ball is thrown deep USC has set up the defense so the safety is rarely anywhere in sight and the WR has toasted the DB in coverage due to the play call. He doesn't throw well consistently well on the move either. I will be especially interested in seeing Leinart throw a ball accurately into a tight space without a great running game to generate more separation with his receivers in the passing game. I don't think his accuracy is as good as advertised. Great skill players cover a lot of weaknesses. Put David Greene behind that USC line and Seattle's 4th round rookie QB out of UGA might have been seen as a late first round pick...Leinart may fit well in the right system, but I don't think he's a guy you can plug into almost any NFL offense and get star-quality results. Young on the other hand may need 2-3 years on the bench, but I think he's without a doubt a better prospect as a QB. Yes, he leaned on his TE most of the 4th quarter but he was smart enough to take what the defense gave him. He hit intermediate routes and threw the ball down the middle of the field much more than Leinart ever does. Why? Leinart doesn't have the same arm strength and the offense disguises it. He'll learn the progressions, he's shown a lot of growth as a player and he frequently demonstrated the skill to stay patient in the pocket as a passer throughout the year. The game vs. Colorado was a good example. When he gets to the NFL he'll try to do too much early on--just look at the OSU game where he tried to hard early--but he's showing the ability to adjust.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Great, another flawed passer running around like an idiot in the NFL and getting over-hyped on this board from now until god knows when. Just what we need.
Paging Denny Green... you have the perfect Cardinal QB waiting for your call. His number is 1-888-BIGFLOP. 
Jason Wood
Zoo York
What more can Young do? I would ABSOLUTELY project him to be a solid NFL quarterback.You do realize that Byron Leftwich and Chad Pennington played almost their entire collegiate careers out of the shotgun, right? And they transitioned to the NFL despite not being agile, at all.
Is Young honestly any less polished a passer than Steve McNair or Daunte Culpepper were coming out of college?
Plus he played at the highest level of competition one can find.Prior to the Rose Bowl I said I thought Young would stay in college, but after last night, what would be the point? He'll be a top 5 pick this year or next, zero question about that IMHO.
It's time someone said it. Vince Young is going to be the player in the NFL that all the Vick proponents & national media want Vick to be.
Here are each guy's last year in college regular season numbers:
Vick
Passing
87/161
1234 yds
8 TDs
6 INTs
54.0% comp
1.33 TD/INT
7.66 ypa
Rushing
104 rushes
617 yds
5.93 ypc
8 TDs
Young
Passing
182/285
2769 yds
26 TDs
10 INTs
63.9 % comp
2.6 TD/INT
9.72 ypa
Rushing
136 rushes
850 yds
6.25 ypc
9 TDs
Now we all know that college numbers don't directly translate into pro success. Vick is a mediocre NFL QB. While he is a threat with his legs, his arm doesn't scare anyone (except those who he may hit in the back of the helmet with his passes).
Young on the other hand has superior accuracy, makes better decisions, and arguably is a better runner than Vick. While Vick may have some shifty moves & imagination, Young shows patience & eats up ground at an incredible rate.
When Young comes out - I assume in the 2006 draft - he's going to make a lot of people downgrade Vick to the NFL QB he really is by simple comparison. Young is the complete package that Vick can only hope to be.
Here are each guy's last year in college regular season numbers:
Vick
Passing
87/161
1234 yds
8 TDs
6 INTs
54.0% comp
1.33 TD/INT
7.66 ypa
Rushing
104 rushes
617 yds
5.93 ypc
8 TDs
Young
Passing
182/285
2769 yds
26 TDs
10 INTs
63.9 % comp
2.6 TD/INT
9.72 ypa
Rushing
136 rushes
850 yds
6.25 ypc
9 TDs
Now we all know that college numbers don't directly translate into pro success. Vick is a mediocre NFL QB. While he is a threat with his legs, his arm doesn't scare anyone (except those who he may hit in the back of the helmet with his passes).
Young on the other hand has superior accuracy, makes better decisions, and arguably is a better runner than Vick. While Vick may have some shifty moves & imagination, Young shows patience & eats up ground at an incredible rate.
When Young comes out - I assume in the 2006 draft - he's going to make a lot of people downgrade Vick to the NFL QB he really is by simple comparison. Young is the complete package that Vick can only hope to be.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I saw bits and pieces of games Young played in this year and was underwhelmed. I must not have watched enough because last night was extraordinary.And I said the same thing Pony Boy is saying. Young is a better version of Vick.Granted, his O-Line was stellar last night (Jon Scott is mammoth, isn't he?) but Young looked every bit the part of a QB last night. Even with that compact throwing motion, he was throwing darts. Moreso though, was the TOUCH that he displaye on the short routes. That's something that Vick simply cannot do.I hope he comes out in the draft.
djcolts
Footballguy
From what little I've seen - Young has the accuracy in his short to medium throws to run a West Coast Offense - and Vick is mismatched in the WCO because he has a cannon for an arm but his accuracy is below-average. Young has tremendous poise - that is something that is very hard to teach (if it can be taught at all).
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Culpepper - not Vick.
Righetti
Footballguy
Let me start of with saying that I am NOT an insider, I have NO valid information to come up with this call and I don't have any idea if the Cards have looked into him, but somehow I can see Denny Green pushing for a big-mobile QB who can work in his system the way Daunte Culpepper did. Vince Young with those two receivers could be absolute money. I like Josh McCown but in the long run the Cardinals might not see him as the QB of the futureI'm not sure where he would be projected to go, if he did come out, I can see the Cardinals taking this guy at #10.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Donovan McNabb – 6'2"/240 lbsDaunte Culpepper – 6'4"/260 lbs
Mike Vick – 6'0"/215 lbs
Vince Young - 6'5"/233 lbs
All three. Size of Culpepper. Athleticism of Vick. Poise of McNabb (pocket presence anyway). And better decision making than all three.
Although, he was competing against college competition last night.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I hope that the phins package their #16 with Ricky and move up to take him if he comes out.
goonsquad
Think different.
I don't watch a lot of college ball, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Young has an almost side arm throwing style. If so, does anyone see that as being a major problem at the pro level? Will he be able to get the ball over the D-Line consistenty? Or will NFL coaches try and change his mechanics?
superbeck1
Footballguy
With Herm all set to leave the "win now" focus is off this NY team. 
Could the Jets take him at 4?
Could the Jets take him at 4?
