Vince Young--Will the Titans win more with K.Collins ? (1 Viewer)

[Ballstein]

Just wondering, It appears VY......to put frankly should have never been drafted so high. He can't seem to grasp the NFL passing game, and rely's on athleticism ala Vick. If Collins steps in and lights it up, what do the Titans do?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I'm guessing Collins stays in for 4-6 weeks for sure. If he and the team do well, or if Young's injury lingers, then he probably is the man for the rest of the year. Young isn't an NFL QB, and is too unstable to lead the team.

 

[fatness]

If Collins steps in and lights it up, what do the Titans do?

Act real surprised?Kerry Collins isn't very good.

 

[Ballstein]

I'm guessing Collins stays in for 4-6 weeks for sure. If he and the team do well, or if Young's injury lingers, then he probably is the man for the rest of the year. Young isn't an NFL QB, and is too unstable to lead the team.

He is unquestionably a better passer than young

 

[sho nuff]

When Young is healthy, he will get back in there.

Just as Fisher did patiently with McNair. The difference could be that the defense now is better than when McNair was struggling his first several years in the league.

But Fisher is loyal, sometimes to a fault and will stick with a guy. Plus, there may be pressure from the top to make sure about VY before just parking him permanently.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

It will be interesting to see if everything else in that offense will be equal in Young's absence. I don't think it will. No matter what you think of Young's passing ability, Tennessee is a running team, and defenses have had to account for Young as a runner.

 

[fatness]

When Collins has played before, hasn't he started off reasonably well and then tailed off in subsequent games?

 

[jwojdylo]

I do think the Titans will win one or two more games with Collins solely because there "should" be less off field issues, but who knows, Kerry went crazy before on the Panthers....

 

[grouse]

Kerry Collins will be the Tennessee Titans starting quarterback for as long as the team is playing well under his direction, Coach Jeff Fisher said Monday.

Collins completed 14 of 21 passes for 128 yards and a touchdown in replacing the injured Vince Young Sunday in a 24-7 victory over Cincinnati.

“I don’t know what Vince’s condition is, but as long as we’re winning, Kerry is our starting quarterback,” Fisher said Monday.

Young sprained the MCL of his left knee in the opener against Jacksonville, and moments before that, appeared reluctant to re-enter the game after an interception.

Throughout last week, a saga unfolded regarding the police looking for Young for a period of about four hours before he was located, with the Titans and police at the time believing he was in danger.

“We’re going to get Vince back and work with him and get him back involved in the offense, but Kerry is going to go ahead and play for us until either he struggles or whatever else happens,” Young said. “You saw by the he played, and in light of everything, it just makes sense to go with that.”

Fisher said he had not spoken to Young about the change being made permanent.

“I haven’t talked to him. He came in this morning and rehabbed,” Fisher said. “He’s going to get back. He’s eventually going to be under center for us. When that happens, I don’t know, but right now, Kerry is our quarterback.” Nashville

The Titans will win more games with Collins as their quarterback, but this won't be all peaches and cream for Collins. He will turn the ball over in bunches. But overall, he helps this offense more than Young.

 

[az_prof]

This is the correct answer. Collins is capable of making some great plays but he also tends to turn it over alot.

Kerry Collins will be the Tennessee Titans starting quarterback for as long as the team is playing well under his direction, Coach Jeff Fisher said Monday.

Collins completed 14 of 21 passes for 128 yards and a touchdown in replacing the injured Vince Young Sunday in a 24-7 victory over Cincinnati.

“I don’t know what Vince’s condition is, but as long as we’re winning, Kerry is our starting quarterback,” Fisher said Monday.

Young sprained the MCL of his left knee in the opener against Jacksonville, and moments before that, appeared reluctant to re-enter the game after an interception.

Throughout last week, a saga unfolded regarding the police looking for Young for a period of about four hours before he was located, with the Titans and police at the time believing he was in danger.

“We’re going to get Vince back and work with him and get him back involved in the offense, but Kerry is going to go ahead and play for us until either he struggles or whatever else happens,” Young said. “You saw by the he played, and in light of everything, it just makes sense to go with that.”

Fisher said he had not spoken to Young about the change being made permanent.

“I haven’t talked to him. He came in this morning and rehabbed,” Fisher said. “He’s going to get back. He’s eventually going to be under center for us. When that happens, I don’t know, but right now, Kerry is our quarterback.” Nashville

The Titans will win more games with Collins as their quarterback, but this won't be all peaches and cream for Collins. He will turn the ball over in bunches. But overall, he helps this offense more than Young.

 

[JamesTheScot]

If Collins steps in and lights it up, what do the Titans do?

Act real surprised?Kerry Collins isn't very good.

I actually agree with this to some extent.Kerry Collins > Vince Young...but that isn't really saying much.I think Collins can run the offense efficiently (a la Trent Dilfer) and that could still mean post-season success for the Titans with solid D and a running game. He can make all the throws but he's never struck me as a guy that is capable of sitting back there, taking the team onto his shoulders and reliably picking D's apart.I'm just not sure what they think VY is going to gain by being on the sideline. If VY wants a mulligan, why not try selling insurance for a couple of years and then come back.

 

[Just Win Baby]

It will be interesting to see if everything else in that offense will be equal in Young's absence. I don't think it will. No matter what you think of Young's passing ability, Tennessee is a running team, and defenses have had to account for Young as a runner.

The Titans had 177 rushing yards yesterday, compared to 137 in week 1. There is obviously a difference between the Jaguars and Bengals rushing defenses, but still, there is no evidence that the rushing game will suffer... and it is a given the passing game will be improved.

 

[Ballstein]

Collins it is!

 

[sho nuff]

Im kind of surprised Fisher announced it like that really.

Though, his answer was good, that he did not just want to hear about it each week as to who would be starting.

 

[NorrisB]

It will be interesting to see if everything else in that offense will be equal in Young's absence. I don't think it will. No matter what you think of Young's passing ability, Tennessee is a running team, and defenses have had to account for Young as a runner.

Im pretty sure Collins will remain the starter for the remainder of the season. Anyone thinking of flat out dropping Young in dynasty leagues with your starter coming to a bye soon?

 

[Lash]

Titans are a super bowl contender now with the weaknesses shown in the AFC and their defense

they have a two game lead in AFC North and will be favored in each of their games at least until their bye week

6-0 start a real possibility

with a couple upsets they could be looking at a week 16 game with PIT being for home-field

Collins team for the rest of 2009

/homer

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Titans are a super bowl contender now with the weaknesses shown in the AFC and their defensethey have a two game lead in AFC North and will be favored in each of their games at least until their bye week6-0 start a real possibilitywith a couple upsets they could be looking at a week 16 game with PIT being for home-field Collins team for the rest of 2009/homer

The Titans are in the AFC South.

 

[shader]

I think you haven't seen the last of Vince Young this season. Collins will get hurt at some point and then we'll see where Young's head is at.

But right now the "plan" is to "redshirt" VY this year and let him learn and re-obtain a love for the game and for study and practice.

I think his attitude as a backup will go a long way in the team deciding what decision to make long-term on VY.

 

[FUBAR]

Titans are a super bowl contender now with the weaknesses shown in the AFC and their defense

they have a two game lead in AFC North and will be favored in each of their games at least until their bye week

6-0 start a real possibility

with a couple upsets they could be looking at a week 16 game with PIT being for home-field

Collins team for the rest of 2009

/homer

I doubt that.As long as the Titans are staying in contention, Collins is playing well and is healthy, he'll start in 2008.

2009, we're back to VY if he gets his head on straight.

 

[Carver Lee]

I think you haven't seen the last of Vince Young this season. Collins will get hurt at some point and then we'll see where Young's head is at.But right now the "plan" is to "redshirt" VY this year and let him learn and re-obtain a love for the game and for study and practice. I think his attitude as a backup will go a long way in the team deciding what decision to make long-term on VY.

Young will have a future in the league once his team realizes his true value. They want to conserve and preserve him. Vince Young does what he does. Someone has to realize that somewhere down the road.

 

[carlos1984]

Titans are a super bowl contender now with the weaknesses shown in the AFC and their defensethey have a two game lead in AFC North and will be favored in each of their games at least until their bye week6-0 start a real possibilitywith a couple upsets they could be looking at a week 16 game with PIT being for home-field Collins team for the rest of 2009/homer

I don't see the titans with collins as super bowl contenders, just a playoff teamThis is the same collins that lost a super bowl a loooong time ago ... and the same collins that Fisher benched before because he sucked ... he sucked then he will suck now Titans with VY >>>>>>> Titans with Collins

 

[Ice Cream Man]

The titans look a lot like the ravens back in 2000. Collins isn't any worse than Dilfer. It remains to be seen if they can keep up their play vs good opponents.

 

[FUBAR]

Titans are a super bowl contender now with the weaknesses shown in the AFC and their defense

they have a two game lead in AFC North and will be favored in each of their games at least until their bye week

6-0 start a real possibility

with a couple upsets they could be looking at a week 16 game with PIT being for home-field

Collins team for the rest of 2009

/homer

I don't see the titans with collins as super bowl contenders, just a playoff teamThis is the same collins that lost a super bowl a loooong time ago ... and the same collins that Fisher benched before because he sucked ... he sucked then he will suck now

Titans with VY >>>>>>> Titans with Collins

I like VY as much as almost anyone here, but the evidence points otherwise right now.

 

[Just Win Baby]

From Vince Young's attitude in question:

These days, the most prominent questions about Vince Young are not about his health (The knee's fine, thank you) but about his attitude. Specifically, fans and those in the media keep noticing Young's conduct and body language on the sideline during games. He seems detached. He participates in pregame warm-ups then appears to retreat into his own little world after kickoff. When the offense comes off the field, you see starter Kerry Collins huddling with offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger as they examine photos of the opposing defense that are transmitted from the press box to the sideline. No. 3 quarterback Chris Simms is an interested participant. Young? He's usually found several steps away, uninvolved. He either doesn't want to be part of the process or is not invited. And I seriously doubt it's the latter. This makes a strange situation even stranger. During practice sessions, Young works extensively with the second-team offense. Since returning to good health, he has been listed as the No. 2 quarterback on game day. But even though he is just one snap away from being the Titans' quarterback again, he seems a million miles away during the game. At Titans Central, the party line remains that Young is merely doing what he should have been allowed to do as a rookie -- observe how a veteran quarterback conducts his business. But from the outside looking in, you must wonder if Young is maximizing this opportunity. Yes, looks can be deceiving, especially on TV, but Young certainly appears detached from this team.

Tennessean

I'm beginning to think Young might not recover from this situation. Certainly, if Collins goes down and Young is unprepared to relieve him, there will just be a renewed round of criticism and scrutiny for him... how will he handle that?I'm also starting to wonder if the Titans should consider continuing with Collins as their starter beyond this year. He is a free agent after this season, but perhaps at age 36 he would be willing to sign a cap friendly 2 year deal to stay with the Titans.

 

[sho nuff]

Titans are a super bowl contender now with the weaknesses shown in the AFC and their defensethey have a two game lead in AFC North and will be favored in each of their games at least until their bye week6-0 start a real possibilitywith a couple upsets they could be looking at a week 16 game with PIT being for home-field Collins team for the rest of 2009/homer

I don't see the titans with collins as super bowl contenders, just a playoff teamThis is the same collins that lost a super bowl a loooong time ago ... and the same collins that Fisher benched before because he sucked ... he sucked then he will suck now Titans with VY >>>>>>> Titans with Collins

Missed this when it was posted.Collins did suck to start the season 2 years ago. Though, he had also just joined the team...He signed on August 28th and was starting the year on Sept. 10th.

 

[sho nuff]

From Vince Young's attitude in question:

These days, the most prominent questions about Vince Young are not about his health (The knee's fine, thank you) but about his attitude. Specifically, fans and those in the media keep noticing Young's conduct and body language on the sideline during games. He seems detached. He participates in pregame warm-ups then appears to retreat into his own little world after kickoff. When the offense comes off the field, you see starter Kerry Collins huddling with offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger as they examine photos of the opposing defense that are transmitted from the press box to the sideline. No. 3 quarterback Chris Simms is an interested participant. Young? He's usually found several steps away, uninvolved. He either doesn't want to be part of the process or is not invited. And I seriously doubt it's the latter. This makes a strange situation even stranger. During practice sessions, Young works extensively with the second-team offense. Since returning to good health, he has been listed as the No. 2 quarterback on game day. But even though he is just one snap away from being the Titans' quarterback again, he seems a million miles away during the game. At Titans Central, the party line remains that Young is merely doing what he should have been allowed to do as a rookie -- observe how a veteran quarterback conducts his business. But from the outside looking in, you must wonder if Young is maximizing this opportunity. Yes, looks can be deceiving, especially on TV, but Young certainly appears detached from this team.

Tennessean

I'm beginning to think Young might not recover from this situation. Certainly, if Collins goes down and Young is unprepared to relieve him, there will just be a renewed round of criticism and scrutiny for him... how will he handle that?I'm also starting to wonder if the Titans should consider continuing with Collins as their starter beyond this year. He is a free agent after this season, but perhaps at age 36 he would be willing to sign a cap friendly 2 year deal to stay with the Titans.

Some of this is based on a few shots from the game against Chicago where Collins and Simms were seen with Heimerdinger and Vince was not there with them.It has been noted by some coaches on the radio that Vince was around several other times during that game and is there with the earpiece in the whole game too.

Though, I agree he needs to work harder at this and always be involved in picking things up.

I also think in some upcoming games they need to get VY in the game some if they are up big (possibly against the Lions) or later in the year if they rest Collins some in prep for the playoffs.

 

[NeverEnough]

VY is overrated as an NFL QB. He just doesn't have it. Not that good of a passer in the NFL

 

[Tanner9919]

lets see , an overrated, overhyped bust vs. a guy who's played in 2 championship games, a SB, and has his team at 9-0 this season?

Collins will start for that team for a long time..discounting injury, I doubt VY sees the field, wearing a Titans uniform, ever again.

 

[Just Win Baby]

I'm also starting to wonder if the Titans should consider continuing with Collins as their starter beyond this year. He is a free agent after this season, but perhaps at age 36 he would be willing to sign a cap friendly 2 year deal to stay with the Titans.

From an automated SI email I got today:

Peter King, for one, is dreaming of a Titans-Giants Super Bowl. King is also impressed by one Titan in particular: quarterback Kerry Collins. "Tennessee has to sign Collins to a fair-market deal," King says, "even if it means Vince Young has to sit behind him for two more years. Collins is pulling a Kurt Warner, and Young, unfortunately for his development, is going to have eat humble pie like Matt Leinart's doing in Arizona. Tennessee's got the cap room to do a 2009-salary-heavy deal for Collins, and I'd be stunned if they don't do it. There can be no more questioning of Collins, who has thrown one interception in the last 21 quarters and taken four sacks in the last 34 quarters. He's an efficient winner, the perfect quarterback for a team with a great offensive line and solid running game and a brass-knuckle defense that's going to play low-scoring game. Young's growing pains are a terrible match for the Titans now, and if they can't convince him to be patient and learn under Collins and offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, they're going to have to let him walk. This game's about winning, not about playing the quarterback the owner wanted you to draft."

 

[phthalatemagic]

From Vince Young's attitude in question:

These days, the most prominent questions about Vince Young are not about his health (The knee's fine, thank you) but about his attitude. Specifically, fans and those in the media keep noticing Young's conduct and body language on the sideline during games. He seems detached. He participates in pregame warm-ups then appears to retreat into his own little world after kickoff. When the offense comes off the field, you see starter Kerry Collins huddling with offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger as they examine photos of the opposing defense that are transmitted from the press box to the sideline. No. 3 quarterback Chris Simms is an interested participant. Young? He's usually found several steps away, uninvolved. He either doesn't want to be part of the process or is not invited. And I seriously doubt it's the latter. This makes a strange situation even stranger. During practice sessions, Young works extensively with the second-team offense. Since returning to good health, he has been listed as the No. 2 quarterback on game day. But even though he is just one snap away from being the Titans' quarterback again, he seems a million miles away during the game. At Titans Central, the party line remains that Young is merely doing what he should have been allowed to do as a rookie -- observe how a veteran quarterback conducts his business. But from the outside looking in, you must wonder if Young is maximizing this opportunity. Yes, looks can be deceiving, especially on TV, but Young certainly appears detached from this team.

Tennessean

I'm beginning to think Young might not recover from this situation. Certainly, if Collins goes down and Young is unprepared to relieve him, there will just be a renewed round of criticism and scrutiny for him... how will he handle that?I'm also starting to wonder if the Titans should consider continuing with Collins as their starter beyond this year. He is a free agent after this season, but perhaps at age 36 he would be willing to sign a cap friendly 2 year deal to stay with the Titans.

I think he recovered just fine. I think he resigned himself to be a backup QB making a ton of cash and is happy doing that.

 

[Just Win Baby]

From Vince Young's attitude in question:

These days, the most prominent questions about Vince Young are not about his health (The knee's fine, thank you) but about his attitude. Specifically, fans and those in the media keep noticing Young's conduct and body language on the sideline during games. He seems detached. He participates in pregame warm-ups then appears to retreat into his own little world after kickoff. When the offense comes off the field, you see starter Kerry Collins huddling with offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger as they examine photos of the opposing defense that are transmitted from the press box to the sideline. No. 3 quarterback Chris Simms is an interested participant. Young? He's usually found several steps away, uninvolved. He either doesn't want to be part of the process or is not invited. And I seriously doubt it's the latter. This makes a strange situation even stranger. During practice sessions, Young works extensively with the second-team offense. Since returning to good health, he has been listed as the No. 2 quarterback on game day. But even though he is just one snap away from being the Titans' quarterback again, he seems a million miles away during the game. At Titans Central, the party line remains that Young is merely doing what he should have been allowed to do as a rookie -- observe how a veteran quarterback conducts his business. But from the outside looking in, you must wonder if Young is maximizing this opportunity. Yes, looks can be deceiving, especially on TV, but Young certainly appears detached from this team.

Tennessean

I'm beginning to think Young might not recover from this situation. Certainly, if Collins goes down and Young is unprepared to relieve him, there will just be a renewed round of criticism and scrutiny for him... how will he handle that?I'm also starting to wonder if the Titans should consider continuing with Collins as their starter beyond this year. He is a free agent after this season, but perhaps at age 36 he would be willing to sign a cap friendly 2 year deal to stay with the Titans.

I think he recovered just fine. I think he resigned himself to be a backup QB making a ton of cash and is happy doing that.

Well, in case it wasn't obvious, my point was that he might not recover his former position as starting QB.

 

[JPeso]

Collins has shown he still has a bit left in the tank, and not just managing games. He can still get the ball down field and is mobile enough to not take too many sacks/hits.

What are thoughts on if/when Vince will get another shot at the job?

 

[Andy Herron]

I'm also starting to wonder if the Titans should consider continuing with Collins as their starter beyond this year. He is a free agent after this season, but perhaps at age 36 he would be willing to sign a cap friendly 2 year deal to stay with the Titans.

From an automated SI email I got today:

Peter King, for one, is dreaming of a Titans-Giants Super Bowl. King is also impressed by one Titan in particular: quarterback Kerry Collins. "Tennessee has to sign Collins to a fair-market deal," King says, "even if it means Vince Young has to sit behind him for two more years. Collins is pulling a Kurt Warner, and Young, unfortunately for his development, is going to have eat humble pie like Matt Leinart's doing in Arizona. Tennessee's got the cap room to do a 2009-salary-heavy deal for Collins, and I'd be stunned if they don't do it. There can be no more questioning of Collins, who has thrown one interception in the last 21 quarters and taken four sacks in the last 34 quarters. He's an efficient winner, the perfect quarterback for a team with a great offensive line and solid running game and a brass-knuckle defense that's going to play low-scoring game. Young's growing pains are a terrible match for the Titans now, and if they can't convince him to be patient and learn under Collins and offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, they're going to have to let him walk. This game's about winning, not about playing the quarterback the owner wanted you to draft."

I couldn't agree more.