VINCE YOUNG: (you a believer) (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Why?

Cause, really what does the Titans have to lose? Are they a playoff calibure team....NO. Why would they wait why scrub-bucket VOLEK eases Vince into the role. I dont see.

Vince is a natural winner with elite skills that cant be measured on paper. He also is one of those guys that his teammates love to ralley around, he has that carisma to him. He is one of the few QB's i would say stick him out there and let him learn on the fly. He is a playmaker....(i dont mean running) when i say that. I mean all this guys does is make plays.

Even at high school here in houston he was just making plays all the time....kinda has a knack for it. When he went to Texas they used him sparringly at 1st cause of Chance Mock was there, and he was a good qb himself. He took time and made his mistakes his 1st few years, but he's developed into more of a complete qb. He doesnt look to run at every moment ala Vick. His passes are crisp although he has a slightly side arm delivery. He can make all throws, that i have seen.

Ok again, who is Volek.

I think come preseason Vince outshines Volek easily and the Titans will get best hyped player since E.George on the field. I also think the L.White/C.Brown rbbc combo will be very very nice. Brown is a nifty wr and also is a very good rb..I think White can do alittle pouding and they can both compliment each other.

UCB

 

[ImTheScientist]

Why?

Cause, really what does the Titans have to lose? Are they a playoff calibure team....NO. Why would they wait why scrub-bucket VOLEK eases Vince into the role. I dont see.

Vince is a natural winner with elite skills that cant be measured on paper. He also is one of those guys that his teammates love to ralley around, he has that carisma to him. He is one of the few QB's i would say stick him out there and let him learn on the fly. He is a playmaker....(i dont mean running) when i say that. I mean all this guys does is make plays.

Even at high school here in houston he was just making plays all the time....kinda has a knack for it. When he went to Texas they used him sparringly at 1st cause of Chance Mock was there, and he was a good qb himself. He took time and made his mistakes his 1st few years, but he's developed into more of a complete qb. He doesnt look to run at every moment ala Vick. His passes are crisp although he has a slightly side arm delivery. He can make all throws, that i have seen.

Ok again, who is Volek.

I think come preseason Vince outshines Volek easily and the Titans will get best hyped player since E.George on the field. I also think the L.White/C.Brown rbbc combo will be very very nice. Brown is a nifty wr and also is a very good rb..I think White can do alittle pouding and they can both compliment each other.

UCB

Im sorry but there is no such thing as a natural winner. Put any single individual player on the worst team in the league and they wont win.

 

[Rooster]

Why?Cause, really what does the Titans have to lose? Are they a playoff calibure team....NO. Why would they wait why scrub-bucket VOLEK eases Vince into the role. I dont see.Vince is a natural winner with elite skills that cant be measured on paper. He also is one of those guys that his teammates love to ralley around, he has that carisma to him. He is one of the few QB's i would say stick him out there and let him learn on the fly. He is a playmaker....(i dont mean running) when i say that. I mean all this guys does is make plays.Even at high school here in houston he was just making plays all the time....kinda has a knack for it. When he went to Texas they used him sparringly at 1st cause of Chance Mock was there, and he was a good qb himself. He took time and made his mistakes his 1st few years, but he's developed into more of a complete qb. He doesnt look to run at every moment ala Vick. His passes are crisp although he has a slightly side arm delivery. He can make all throws, that i have seen.Ok again, who is Volek.I think come preseason Vince outshines Volek easily and the Titans will get best hyped player since E.George on the field. I also think the L.White/C.Brown rbbc combo will be very very nice. Brown is a nifty wr and also is a very good rb..I think White can do alittle pouding and they can both compliment each other. UCB

The trend with young QBs seems to be to give them a bit of time to get acclimated to the NFL and learn the offense before throwing them into the fire. For long term reasons, showcasing Volek's talents this year could lead to a trade which could net the Titans some future building blocks that might speed up their rebuilding process. Worst case is that Volek doesn't do well and he'll return to being a backup that is well versed in the offense and has some starting experience.

 

[Monse]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

 

[LHUCKS]

The anwer is no, I'm not a believer.

I hope he proves me wrong...seems like a nice kid.

 

[Chitown Mole]

put me in the VY is going to be a superstar group. I've watched him since HS too.

 

[BoltBacker]

Alex.............. Smith.

 

[diesel7982]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

If numerous = maybe 1, then yes. Hes not a starter in the NFL. Hes a good backup.

 

[diesel7982]

Why?

Cause, really what does the Titans have to lose? Are they a playoff calibure team....NO. Why would they wait why scrub-bucket VOLEK eases Vince into the role. I dont see.

Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher(and likely the rest of the coaching staff) will be out the door if the Titans have another disappointing season.

THATS what they have to lose.

Im not disagreeing that Vince should be the guy though. I think even now hes capable of winning more games than Volek is capable of.

The Titans have a pretty good roster this year though outside of the QB and RT positions. Im not sure why they can't go somewhere between 7-9 and 8-8 with a Kerry Collins at QB.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The anwer is no, I'm not a believer. I hope he proves me wrong...seems like a nice kid.

 

[redman]

Day 1 eh? Can Vince count that high?

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

If numerous = maybe 1, then yes. Hes not a starter in the NFL. Hes a good backup.

I agree that you'd rather not have Billy Volek as your QB, but there are a couple of teams out there he would clearly upgrade at starter for the 2006 campaign and another handful he would arguably upgrade.

 

[sholditch]

I think the fact that they are not a playoff caliber team is exactly why he will sit until about week 9-10 when they are completely out of the chase. Throwing a young QB into a situation where he is likely to lose ost of his starts and carry the blame for a losing season is simply not smart.

 

[redman]

I think the fact that they are not a playoff caliber team is exactly why he will sit until about week 9-10 when they are completely out of the chase. Throwing a young QB into a situation where he is likely to lose ost of his starts and carry the blame for a losing season is simply not smart.

Why wouldn't this be a repeat of the way that Fisher handled McNair a decade ago? McNair barely played his first two years, and he turned out all right. That was even during the salary cap era too. Why would Fisher deviate from that formula?

 

[diesel7982]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

If numerous = maybe 1, then yes. Hes not a starter in the NFL. Hes a good backup.

I agree that you'd rather not have Billy Volek as your QB, but there are a couple of teams out there he would clearly upgrade at starter for the 2006 campaign and another handful he would arguably upgrade.

I have no problem saying Volek is better for 1 or 2 games than quite a few QBs out there. However, Volek is probably the frailest QB in the league, including Kurt Warner, and once he starts getting hit, his game goes to crap very quickly. Hes infamous in Tennessee for the 1 yard slant and the 2 yard out, because thats as far as his recievers get into their routes when Volek starts taking 2 steps and chucking it at the first white jersey he sees.

 

[diesel7982]

I think the fact that they are not a playoff caliber team is exactly why he will sit until about week 9-10 when they are completely out of the chase. Throwing a young QB into a situation where he is likely to lose ost of his starts and carry the blame for a losing season is simply not smart.

Why wouldn't this be a repeat of the way that Fisher handled McNair a decade ago? McNair barely played his first two years, and he turned out all right. That was even during the salary cap era too. Why would Fisher deviate from that formula?

Fisher doesnt have two years. And Volek isnt Chris Chandler.

 

[Football Jones]

Here's the key thing, IMO...If the Titans go out & get a backup QB (like Kerry Collins), I'm thinking they've decided VY will sit & learn this season. If not, I believe Young will only see time when/if they fall out of the playoff race.

 

[cybergourmet]

you're kidding. Starting Volek for one season while VY watches is the smart thing to do. Primarilly because Volek makes for a great fantasy QB. He throws tons of completions and with the soft red zone RB game has lots of TD potential to boot.

Also he will win games...

 

[BoltBacker]

Fisher doesnt have two years.

You aren't the first person I've seen post a sentiment similar to this. Why do you think that's the case? Is TEN really that close to replacing him? Still seems like one of the best young coaches in the game to me.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Houston management is full of idiots.

Fisher should cut his losses and leave on his own accord and go to a team that actually has competent leadership.

I would love to see Fisher come to AZ.

 

[John Mamula]

lmFAo

VY will likely not even see a snap this year, unless it is in garbage time.

i hope he starts week 1 though. i am eagerly anticipating his complete and utter meltdown in the NFL.

 

[John Mamula]

I would love to see Fisher come to AZ.

fisher is one of the top coaches in the NFL.

 

[longlip]

not bitter are you with your SC logo..

 

[Padraig]

The Houston management is full of idiots. Fisher should cut his losses and leave on his own accord and go to a team that actually has competent leadership.I would love to see Fisher come to AZ.

Im sure you meant Tennessee management,and I agree.

 

[John Mamula]

not bitter are you with your SC logo..

 

[joffer]

i'd like to see him succeed, so i hope he doesn't play this year. he needs to spend one season watching and learning.

 

[matuski]

If he starts day 1 it will take one day to realize it was a mistake.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

The Titans wrote the book on how to succesfully develop a raw (and talented) QB when they had McNair. It would be a shame if they pushed Young out on the field too early. He's not ready, and the Titans front office/Fisher should be smart enough to realize that.

As for all of the Billy Volek bashing that's going on this thread...I think that he could start for the following teams:

Titans

49ers

Bills

Browns

Bears (I'm no Grossman fan)

Jets

Lions

And perhaps even the Vikings.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

The Titans wrote the book on how to succesfully develop a raw (and talented) QB when they had McNair. It would be a shame if they pushed Young out on the field too early. He's not ready, and the Titans front office/Fisher should be smart enough to realize that.As for all of the Billy Volek bashing that's going on this thread...I think that he could start for the following teams:Titans49ersBillsBrownsBears (I'm no Grossman fan)JetsLionsAnd perhaps even the Vikings.

Heck, I'd add the Texans, Raiders, Chargers, and Buccs.

 

[lod2005]

I predict from day 1 that he sucks.

 

[diesel7982]

The Titans wrote the book on how to succesfully develop a raw (and talented) QB when they had McNair. It would be a shame if they pushed Young out on the field too early. He's not ready, and the Titans front office/Fisher should be smart enough to realize that.As for all of the Billy Volek bashing that's going on this thread...I think that he could start for the following teams:Titans49ersBillsBrownsBears (I'm no Grossman fan)JetsLionsAnd perhaps even the Vikings.

Heck, I'd add the Texans, Raiders, Chargers, and Buccs.

Sounds like you've read Volek's stat sheet, and havent seen him play.

 

[diesel7982]

Fisher doesnt have two years.

You aren't the first person I've seen post a sentiment similar to this. Why do you think that's the case? Is TEN really that close to replacing him? Still seems like one of the best young coaches in the game to me.

Its pretty much a well known fact here in Nashville. Fisher has had back-to-back horrible seasons, and the players havent really responded to him over the last two years. Is he a great coach? Absolutely. Probably one of the top 5 coaches in the game. But theres a time when even the great ones have to move on.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

No...I don't believe he starts the season, and I don't want him too, either.

Yes...I do believe he'll be a superstar.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I predict from day 1 that he sucks.

Of course you do.

 

[gocats]

lmFAoVY will likely not even see a snap this year, unless it is in garbage time.i hope he starts week 1 though. i am eagerly anticipating his complete and utter meltdown in the NFL.

 

[bueno]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

If numerous = maybe 1, then yes. Hes not a starter in the NFL. Hes a good backup.

I'm thinking he could start for SF or Buffalo.

 

[jurb26]

Volek is no scrub. There are numerous teams in the NFL in which he could start for.

If numerous = maybe 1, then yes. Hes not a starter in the NFL. Hes a good backup.

I'm thinking he could start for SF or Buffalo.

Mabye the Jets and Vikes too.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

The Titans wrote the book on how to succesfully develop a raw (and talented) QB when they had McNair. It would be a shame if they pushed Young out on the field too early. He's not ready, and the Titans front office/Fisher should be smart enough to realize that.As for all of the Billy Volek bashing that's going on this thread...I think that he could start for the following teams:Titans49ersBillsBrownsBears (I'm no Grossman fan)JetsLionsAnd perhaps even the Vikings.

Heck, I'd add the Texans, Raiders, Chargers, and Buccs.

Sounds like you've read Volek's stat sheet, and havent seen him play.

It sounds like you're not familiar with the QB situations for any of those teams.

 

[flufhed]

The Houston management is full of idiots.

Fisher should cut his losses and leave on his own accord and go to a team that actually has competent leadership.

I would love to see Fisher come to AZ.

So he can work for the braintrust that is the Bidwells?

 

[David Yudkin]

For those pimping Volek as a potential starter for seemingly half the NFL, Volek had his two monster games back-to-back in the 2004 season against KC and OAK--the #32 and #30 ranked teams against the pass. Granted, 918 yards and 8 passing TD over 2 games is pretty sweet, but how often is a QB going to have games with SIXTY passing attempts.

 

[PACKER 7]

Why?

Cause, really what does the Titans have to lose? Are they a playoff calibure team....NO. Why would they wait why scrub-bucket VOLEK eases Vince into the role. I dont see.

Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher(and likely the rest of the coaching staff) will be out the door if the Titans have another disappointing season.

THATS what they have to lose.

Im not disagreeing that Vince should be the guy though. I think even now hes capable of winning more games than Volek is capable of.

The Titans have a pretty good roster this year though outside of the QB and RT positions. Im not sure why they can't go somewhere between 7-9 and 8-8 with a Kerry Collins at QB.

Please listen to Diesel. Fisher is really close to getting the hook as dumb as it sounds. Fisher is playing for his job this season.

 

[gocats]

I was really impressed with Vince Young's maturity from his sophomore year to his junior year, in the Michigan game people were literally calling for the backup QB, Vince only looked rush and passing was a second option. In his junior year his passing improved immensely to the point where it was almost average, he still seems to float passes and he's got a really slow release. His rushing ability are off the charts, he's not as good an open field runner as Micheal Vick but he's close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtefwHbBBI...h=vince%20young

Comparing Vince to Vick I'd say that Vick is probably the better player he has a better arm, is faster than Young, and is a better passer. Vince Young also has an extremely bad throwing motion, I dont think I've seen a QB with such poor mechanics in his delivery, and he's going to have trouble adjusting from the ultra simple shot gun offense Mack Brown implemented at Texas. Despite all this I think if he works hard, listens to Norm Chow, his cealing can be a Steve McNair type QB, but I think he ends up more like an Akili Smith, it's just to much to over come and too much to learn to reach his potential.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I was really impressed with Vince Young's maturity from his sophomore year to his junior year, in the Michigan game people were literally calling for the backup QB, Vince only looked rush and passing was a second option. In his junior year his passing improved immensely to the point where it was almost average, he still seems to float passes and he's got a really slow release. His rushing ability are off the charts, he's not as good an open field runner as Micheal Vick but he's close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtefwHbBBI...h=vince%20young

Comparing Vince to Vick I'd say that Vick is probably the better player he has a better arm, is faster than Young, and is a better passer. Vince Young also has an extremely bad throwing motion, I dont think I've seen a QB with such poor mechanics in his delivery, and he's going to have trouble adjusting from the ultra simple shot gun offense Mack Brown implemented at Texas. Despite all this I think if he works hard, listens to Norm Chow, his cealing can be a Steve McNair type QB, but I think he ends up more like an Akili Smith, it's just to much to over come and too much to learn to reach his potential.

 

[wannabee]

adding fuel for fire ....

Titans | V. Young winning over teammates

Published Wed Aug 2 10:09:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports Tennessee Titans QB Vince Young appears to be winning over his teammates. During one of the first practices of training camp, Young stuck his shoulder into DL Randy Starks when Starks was trying to come down with an interception. WR Drew Bennett said, "He's just doing what he does. With his speed, his arm strength, his leadership, there's no doubt he's going to be a star."

 

[Table]

Hey football guys, I'm from tennessee and IMO Vince is the real deal and he will be the #1 qb sometime

early in the season. Just give him a little time and he will be the best qb of the nfl.

And Volek will be ok to start out of the gate. Plus we will have a good running team too.

Kerry Collins? Thats laughable. We just have to be lucky about injuries and we will surprize everyone

with a 10 win season.

I cant wait for the 1st game against the colts......

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

For those pimping Volek as a potential starter for seemingly half the NFL, Volek had his two monster games back-to-back in the 2004 season against KC and OAK--the #32 and #30 ranked teams against the pass. Granted, 918 yards and 8 passing TD over 2 games is pretty sweet, but how often is a QB going to have games with SIXTY passing attempts.

One doesn't have to think highly of Volek to suggest that he could start for teams like the 49ers, Bills, BrownsBears, Jets and Lions.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

adding fuel for fire ....Titans | V. Young winning over teammates Published Wed Aug 2 10:09:00 p.m. ET 2006 (KFFL) Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports Tennessee Titans QB Vince Young appears to be winning over his teammates. During one of the first practices of training camp, Young stuck his shoulder into DL Randy Starks when Starks was trying to come down with an interception. WR Drew Bennett said, "He's just doing what he does. With his speed, his arm strength, his leadership, there's no doubt he's going to be a star."

That's twice now that I've heard about Vince Young playing great defense.NEWSFLASH: That's not something to be proud of if you're a QB.

 

[Hawk]

I was really impressed with Vince Young's maturity from his sophomore year to his junior year, in the Michigan game people were literally calling for the backup QB, Vince only looked rush and passing was a second option. In his junior year his passing improved immensely to the point where it was almost average, he still seems to float passes and he's got a really slow release. His rushing ability are off the charts, he's not as good an open field runner as Micheal Vick but he's close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtefwHbBBI...h=vince%20young

Comparing Vince to Vick I'd say that Vick is probably the better player he has a better arm, is faster than Young, and is a better passer. Vince Young also has an extremely bad throwing motion, I dont think I've seen a QB with such poor mechanics in his delivery, and he's going to have trouble adjusting from the ultra simple shot gun offense Mack Brown implemented at Texas. Despite all this I think if he works hard, listens to Norm Chow, his cealing can be a Steve McNair type QB, but I think he ends up more like an Akili Smith, it's just to much to over come and too much to learn to reach his potential.

A few corrections:Nobody who was sober or had half a brain was calling for Vince's back-up in the Michigan game. For Crissake, Vince was the MVP of that game.

His Junior year, Vince was 1st in the nation in passing efficiency at the end of the regular season, and finished third in passing efficiency after the bowl games. He passed for over 3,000 yards with 65% completion, 26/10 TD/INT. How can you call that "almost average" with a straight face? Those numbers would have been even larger had Texas not blown out almost every team they played. Texas scored more per game than your USC "greatest offense ever" did last year.

Vince has a slow release???? Vince has different, maybe even awkward mechanics, but one reason he still went 3rd in the NFL draft is that teams loved his quick release despite those mechanical flaws. I don;t know where you get the idea that Vince has a slow release.

Vince is a MUCH better passer than Vick. Vick has a strong arm, but he is one of the most inaccurate QB's to play in the NFL in a long time. The guy barely completes half his passes, and he has never sniffed anything close to the 65% completion percentage Vinc eput up last season. Hell, I think Vince's passing numbers last year may be better than Vick's career numbers at Va. Tech. Vick is faster and has a better arm, but Vince is bigger, stronger, and much more accurate than Vick which is why he will be a better and more durable QB in the NFL than Vick.

BTW, you point out Vince's improved passing his Junior year, yet the highlight reel you linked has ZERO plays from Vince's Junior year on it. Try this one to see how he progressed from a run first QB his freshman year to a balanced, duel-threat QB his Junior year who could beat you running or throwing:

 

[redman]

Why?

Cause, really what does the Titans have to lose? Are they a playoff calibure team....NO. Why would they wait why scrub-bucket VOLEK eases Vince into the role. I dont see.

Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher(and likely the rest of the coaching staff) will be out the door if the Titans have another disappointing season.

THATS what they have to lose.

Im not disagreeing that Vince should be the guy though. I think even now hes capable of winning more games than Volek is capable of.

The Titans have a pretty good roster this year though outside of the QB and RT positions. Im not sure why they can't go somewhere between 7-9 and 8-8 with a Kerry Collins at QB.

Please listen to Diesel. Fisher is really close to getting the hook as dumb as it sounds. Fisher is playing for his job this season.

Please explain to me how playing a rookie QB, one who even his most passionate supporters acknowledge has some developing to do, is going to save Fisher's job? I'll hang up and listen.