Here's a little something I found...for those of you who don't think Fish cuts VY off at the knees every chance he gets, 'splain this:
Fisher after Randy Moss's first game, where Kerry Collins started but did not complete a pass to Moss:
Coach Jeff Fisher admitted there were some missed opportunities with the veteran receiver, who was targeted only four times and caught one pass for 26 yards, but he vowed to get him more involved as the Titans (5-4) try to stay afloat in a tight AFC playoff race. "As you look at the game, there's going to be different options," Fisher said. "But unless you've stood under center and dropped back in the pocket and tried to look down the field … until you've done that, be careful about criticizing quarterbacks because it is not an easy thing to do. "Randy has been here just a week, OK? We have a lot of stuff we will sift through and sort through and try to create more opportunities for him.''
Fisher after Moss's second game, where VY started with Collins out:
As it turns out, Young may have been partly to blame for Moss' lack of use on Sunday, as his only throw to the star receiver sailed several feet over Moss' head for a third-down incompletion in the end zone. It was the only time Young even looked Moss' way in nearly three quarters of play before his thumb injury. “There were some reads and progressions that were incorrect,” Titans coach Jeff Fisher said of why Moss was not targeted more often on Sunday. Before Young exited the game, television cameras caught a conversation between Moss and Young on the Titans' bench that seemed to have the receiver at least imploring the quarterback to look for him. Fisher went on to say that Moss was open several times Sunday, but that the Titans did not get him the football. “He had some opportunities yesterday. He was open,” Fisher said. “He had an opportunity for one touchdown pass, and had an opportunity to keep a couple of drives alive, but the ball wasn't delivered to him.”
If it's not obvious these two qbs are held to completely disparate standards, I don't don't know what is.
first of all you are taking two statements in a man's life and judging his whole basis upon them.This sounds like a coach saying Moss was new then he and the QB weren't in-sync. It could have been the same with either.
What you're missing is that all NFL QBs have incorrect reads and progressions every week in the NFL. It's but one reason they look at game film. It's not an insult to Young to say he did the same thing as everyone else.
The usual issue is (as Fish said) if he's missing big opportunities. That costs them dearly.
It seems to me like the Titans QBs don't trust Moss. The guy is an all-world WR that's going to be blanketed nearly every play. They're just going to have to throw it and trust he'll get it.
One thing that Fisher, Heimerdinger, Collins and Young all have to deal with is what we've talked about often in other threads. Scaife and Rookie Damian Williams seem to be the only ones that can make catches with predictability. The others drop easy ones at times and it's extremely frustrating. I think the WR coach should be fired but...that's a dramatic strain on the offense.
Young's job isn't easy. I wouldn't fault him if he snubbed someone that was open nor if he had an issue that he keeps hitting a player that has a poor catch rate because he's supposed to. It's difficult and surely hasn't helped ease the learning process along. Also, he still does sometimes but not often anymore. He used to fire it at the oddest times and I thought drops were his fault for doing that.
Another thing Young's placement of the ball is terrible sometimes, other times it's perfect, but for the most part I don't feel like he ever saw Joe Montana or Kurt Warner play the game.
Back to Fisher or Heimerdinger-how do you change-up if WRs are dropping easy ones? That's a tough Q
The WRs have to take some of the blame here amidst this confusion or QB discussion.
BTW, nice avatar.
What I said was, I don't know of any successful QB in history that behaves this way. I was basically saying Vince Young is not going to last as a QB in this league being a primadonna #####.and if you call quitting on your team multiple times, multiple benchings, suicide watch, "can't nobody tell me nuthin'" , multiple meltdowns, missing team meetings, missing the team plane, pouting and failing to properly prepare a successful run, then I'm not sure what to say.
