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Vincent Jackson drawing interest around the NFL? (1 Viewer)

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Of all the restricted free agents out there, Chargers wide receiver Vincent Jackson has got some intriguing buzz amongst some teams so don't be shocked if something sneaky happens with Jackson – namely a team stepping out and signing him to a deal with a poison pill, in hopes of paying the Chargers the first- and third-round tender that San Diego has put on him. He has some baggage, but far less than Brandon Marshall, hasn't been a vocal headache for the front office and he also has gotten better every single year while possessing a size/speed/hands combination that makes him dangerous across the entire route tree and anywhere on the field. He's not a mirror image of the Houston Texans' Andre Johnson(notes), but over the next three or four years he might be closer than any other player to representing that kind of physical receiving threat.

Source: Yahoo! Sports

 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.

 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
How has Roy Williams performed with his new team? I don't think VJax is worth a 1st and 3rd either.
 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
It's not just a 1st. There is a new contract and a 3rd as well.
 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
Money is the main reason why these things rarely happen. Teams can lock up a rookie cheap versus paying out a huge contract to a veteran.
 
If a team picking near the bottom of the first round is comfortable with his off the field issues I think he's absolutely worth a #1 and #3 and the contract that entails. The third round pick and extra money paid out for a proven WR entering the prime of his career is something I think trumps an unproven developing WR most of the time.

I had a question. What if a team does not have a first or third round pick? Could they still sign VJ and if so how would they handle the compensation?

 
If a team picking near the bottom of the first round is comfortable with his off the field issues I think he's absolutely worth a #1 and #3 and the contract that entails. The third round pick and extra money paid out for a proven WR entering the prime of his career is something I think trumps an unproven developing WR most of the time.I had a question. What if a team does not have a first or third round pick? Could they still sign VJ and if so how would they handle the compensation?
I think they would have to acquire one of each. And, they could not be lower than their original pick.
 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
It's not just a 1st. There is a new contract and a 3rd as well.
A third rounder is more than likely never going to contribute, and a 1st round WR isn't exactly going to have a cheap contract either. And if he does turn out good (likely several years down the line since it takes a WR a while to develop) he's going to be on the cusp of wanting a new contract himself anyway.Just look at the WRs that have been drafted in the 1st round lately. There are a lot that turned up completely useless. More than turned up useful, by far.

Let's go back a couple years (so we've given the draftees enough time to develop to see if they're any good or not) and look at the teams that drafted WRs in the 1st round and see what they got out of their 1st/3rd round picks. There were no WRs drafted in the 1st round in 2008 so we have to go back to 2007.

2007

Miami: Ted Ginn/Lorenzo Booker

Kansas City: Dwayne Bowe/DeMarcus Tyler

New Orleans: Robert Meachem/Usama Young

San Diego: Craig Davis/Anthony Waters

Indianapolis: Anthony Gonzalez/Dante Hughes

2006

Pittsburgh: Santonio Holmes/Willie Reid

2005

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards/Charlie Frye

Minnesota: Troy Williamson/Dustin Fox

Detroit: Mike Williams/Stanley Wilson

Jacksonville: Matt Jones/Scott Starks

Baltimore: Mark Clayton/Ellis Hobbs (New England picked Hobbs with Baltimore's 3rd round pick)

Atlanta: Roddy White/Jordan Beck

Detroit also took Calvin in '07 but I think it's safe to say no one is going to be giving up the #2 overall pick here (plus Detroit didn't have a 3rd rounder to compare).

So, how many of those duos would you take over a young, established, top WR like V-Jax even considering he'll need a new contract? And, if you would take ANY of them (I wouldn't), how big of an upgrade would you consider that over Vjax when noting that you're putting yourself at risk to end up with one of those Williamson/Fox combos to do it?

 
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I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
How has Roy Williams performed with his new team? I don't think VJax is worth a 1st and 3rd either.
True, trading for an established WR is certainly no sure thing either, but it's a LOT closer to one than drafting one in the 1st round (especially the second half of the 1st round).Besides, Roy is a fairly poor comparison as Roy had declined prior to his trade. He was a year and a half removed from his only good season when he was traded (whereas Vjax is coming off his best season).
 
I think the Pats would be smart to take him away from a contending team in their conference. They could use him to replace Welker for this year and possibly Moss next year and beyond, and they'd still have multiple second rounders this year to move around with.

 
I think the Pats would be smart to take him away from a contending team in their conference. They could use him to replace Welker for this year and possibly Moss next year and beyond, and they'd still have multiple second rounders this year to move around with.
now wouldn't that be interesting...
 
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
How has Roy Williams performed with his new team? I don't think VJax is worth a 1st and 3rd either.
True, trading for an established WR is certainly no sure thing either, but it's a LOT closer to one than drafting one in the 1st round (especially the second half of the 1st round).Besides, Roy is a fairly poor comparison as Roy had declined prior to his trade. He was a year and a half removed from his only good season when he was traded (whereas Vjax is coming off his best season).
As a general rule most WR perform poorly when they change teams. Very few have actually improved on their previous production. Frankly, I believe that VJax production is closely related to the development and rapport he has with Phillip Rivers. If you take him out of that situation, I will bet that he will hard time justifing his contract let alone the draft picks that the team gave up to get him.
 
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I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
How has Roy Williams performed with his new team? I don't think VJax is worth a 1st and 3rd either.
True, trading for an established WR is certainly no sure thing either, but it's a LOT closer to one than drafting one in the 1st round (especially the second half of the 1st round).Besides, Roy is a fairly poor comparison as Roy had declined prior to his trade. He was a year and a half removed from his only good season when he was traded (whereas Vjax is coming off his best season).
As a general rule most WR perform poorly when they change teams. Very few have actually improved on their previous production. Frankly, I believe that VJax production is closely related to the development and rapport he has with Phillip Rivers. If you take him out of that situation, I will bet that he will hard time justifing his contract let alone the draft picks that the team gave up to get him.
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
 
I dont see why you think Vjax's production would drop off either. He was probably the most under used WRs in the league last year. He only had 107 targets. I would think any team that signs him would bump that number up in the 150 range.

 
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
Please post your list.
Randy MossWelker

Coles

Santana Moss

Derrick Mason

TO

Antonio Bryant

Plaxico Burress

Bobby Engram

Joey galloway

Terry Glenn

Keenan McCardell

All those guys went on to produce on following teams

 
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
Please post your list.
Just to name a few without digging too deep:

Welker, Moss, Owens (twice), Plax, Berrian, and to some lesser extent Chambers (from SD to KC).

I am sure I am missing plenty of others since I gave this about 10 seconds worth of thought, but thats a decent list of recent guys. I dont think that it is fair to say that a WR "generally" is not productive when they switch teams.

 
I can't imagine SD will let him walk (they can match any offer) unless the character issues (DUIs) are more serious than the team has let on or the press has reported. So, as a VJax owner I would be more worried if he is allowed to walk. Moreover, it is often a difficult transition for a WR to go to a new QB and a new offense. We know his role in SD and we know his QB Rivers is above average.

 
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
Please post your list.
Randy MossWelker

Coles

Santana Moss

Derrick Mason

TO

Antonio Bryant

Plaxico Burress

Bobby Engram

Joey galloway

Terry Glenn

Keenan McCardell

All those guys went on to produce on following teams
Joey Galloway was traded for 2 first round picks (Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson). He played in 1 game before tearing his ACL. He never broke a 1000 yards with the Cowboys. Are you sure you want to use him as an example of why to trade for a WR?
 
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
Please post your list.
Randy MossWelker

Coles

Santana Moss

Derrick Mason

TO

Antonio Bryant

Plaxico Burress

Bobby Engram

Joey galloway

Terry Glenn

Keenan McCardell

All those guys went on to produce on following teams
Joey Galloway was traded for 2 first round picks (Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson). He played in 1 game before tearing his ACL. He never broke a 1000 yards with the Cowboys. Are you sure you want to use him as an example of why to trade for a WR?
I'm just responding to your quote of "As a general rule most WR perform poorly when they change teams."I really fail to see how this should be considered a general rule.

 
Max Power said:
Donnybrook said:
Max Power said:
Donnybrook said:
Max Power said:
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
Please post your list.
Randy MossWelker

Coles

Santana Moss

Derrick Mason

TO

Antonio Bryant

Plaxico Burress

Bobby Engram

Joey galloway

Terry Glenn

Keenan McCardell

All those guys went on to produce on following teams
Joey Galloway was traded for 2 first round picks (Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson). He played in 1 game before tearing his ACL. He never broke a 1000 yards with the Cowboys. Are you sure you want to use him as an example of why to trade for a WR?
I'm just responding to your quote of "As a general rule most WR perform poorly when they change teams."I really fail to see how this should be considered a general rule.
My list:Randy Moss (Oakland got minimal production and gave up the #7. Yes NE did steal him)

Justin McCareins (2nd round pick)

Roy Williams (1st, 3rd and 5th picks)

Joey Galloway (two 1st for average production)

Jerry Porter (done after 1 year)

Nate Burleson (Gave up a 3rd and never equaled his Minny production)

Deon Branch (gave up a 1st and got injured)

DJ Hackett (done after 1 year)

Bryant Johnson (average)

Donte Stallworth (done with the Eagles after one year)

Kevin Curtis (Money for nothing)

Brandon Jones (none exsistent in San Fran)

Javon Walker (Denver gave up a 2nd rounder but never recovered from ACL)

Chris Chambers (for a 2nd - never broke a 1000 yards in SD)

Antonio Bryant (Best years came after he was out of the league in 2007)

OK, maybe not a general rule but I believe the odds are against a team trading for VJax.

 
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Donnybrook said:
Max Power said:
Donnybrook said:
Max Power said:
Curious as to why you think this and what data you have that backs it. Seems like I could list as many WRs who have changed teams and continued to be very productive.
Please post your list.
Randy MossWelker

Coles

Santana Moss

Derrick Mason

TO

Antonio Bryant

Plaxico Burress

Bobby Engram

Joey galloway

Terry Glenn

Keenan McCardell

All those guys went on to produce on following teams
Joey Galloway was traded for 2 first round picks (Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson). He played in 1 game before tearing his ACL. He never broke a 1000 yards with the Cowboys. Are you sure you want to use him as an example of why to trade for a WR?
Yet for Galloway's next team after the Cowboys (the Bucs), he had 3 1000-yard seasons. So generally speaking, he's a wash at best.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I'm as big of a VJax fan as you'll find, but even I don't think he's worth a 1st and a 3rd.....on top of the large contract he'd command.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see this happening.
Assuming a team spent a 1st round pick on a WR, what are the chances that that WR would end up being as good as Jackson? 20%?
It's not just a 1st. There is a new contract and a 3rd as well.
A third rounder is more than likely never going to contribute, and a 1st round WR isn't exactly going to have a cheap contract either. And if he does turn out good (likely several years down the line since it takes a WR a while to develop) he's going to be on the cusp of wanting a new contract himself anyway.Just look at the WRs that have been drafted in the 1st round lately. There are a lot that turned up completely useless. More than turned up useful, by far.

Let's go back a couple years (so we've given the draftees enough time to develop to see if they're any good or not) and look at the teams that drafted WRs in the 1st round and see what they got out of their 1st/3rd round picks. There were no WRs drafted in the 1st round in 2008 so we have to go back to 2007.

2007

Miami: Ted Ginn/Lorenzo Booker

Kansas City: Dwayne Bowe/DeMarcus Tyler

New Orleans: Robert Meachem/Usama Young

San Diego: Craig Davis/Anthony Waters

Indianapolis: Anthony Gonzalez/Dante Hughes

2006

Pittsburgh: Santonio Holmes/Willie Reid

2005

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards/Charlie Frye

Minnesota: Troy Williamson/Dustin Fox

Detroit: Mike Williams/Stanley Wilson

Jacksonville: Matt Jones/Scott Starks

Baltimore: Mark Clayton/Ellis Hobbs (New England picked Hobbs with Baltimore's 3rd round pick)

Atlanta: Roddy White/Jordan Beck

Detroit also took Calvin in '07 but I think it's safe to say no one is going to be giving up the #2 overall pick here (plus Detroit didn't have a 3rd rounder to compare).

So, how many of those duos would you take over a young, established, top WR like V-Jax even considering he'll need a new contract? And, if you would take ANY of them (I wouldn't), how big of an upgrade would you consider that over Vjax when noting that you're putting yourself at risk to end up with one of those Williamson/Fox combos to do it?
I'll be honest. I didn't even read your response.....because you still aren't addressing the largest part of this equation. He's going to command a big fat new contract. So, even if a team thinks he's worth a 1st and a 3rd (I think that he is), the new money on top is the reason this won't happen.
 
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doctor_d said:
OMG! Ponies! said:
bostonfred said:
I think the Pats would be smart to take him away from a contending team in their conference. They could use him to replace Welker for this year and possibly Moss next year and beyond, and they'd still have multiple second rounders this year to move around with.
now wouldn't that be interesting...
The Patriots do not have a 3rd round pick this year - I can't see a 1 and a 2 going
They wouldn't have to give up a second. They'd just have to give up a third that was better than their "natural" third. It would be very easy for them to trade down from their late second to a late third, or they also have the ammunition to trade up and acquire a third rounder in the process. For example, they could trade their two later seconds to move up a few spots in the second and acquire a third rounder for a deal like this. The bigger question is whether they're seriously interested in Jackson, not whether their lack of a third rounder is a dealbreaker.
 
I would think the lack of a CBA and what is going to happen as far as the salary cap in the future would be a stumbling bock for any major contract signing. Without any research and just trusting what I remember so far this offseason, there hasn't been any huge contracts with massive signing bonuses or future dollar amounts. Even Boldins extension was much smaller than I thought he wanted from the Cardinals(I thought he wanted Fitz type money). This uncapped year might be a bit of a 'market correction' for the owners.

 
What would a poison pill look like?
I believe it would be something like a large bonus in the event the player accomplishes something that can only be accomplished if he were playing for his current team (e.g., if VJax plays more than x amount of games in a year in the State of California).
 
My list:

Randy Moss (Oakland got minimal production and gave up the #7. Yes NE did steal him)

Justin McCareins (2nd round pick)

Roy Williams (1st, 3rd and 5th picks)

Joey Galloway (two 1st for average production)

Jerry Porter (done after 1 year)

Nate Burleson (Gave up a 3rd and never equaled his Minny production)

Deon Branch (gave up a 1st and got injured)

DJ Hackett (done after 1 year)

Bryant Johnson (average)

Donte Stallworth (done with the Eagles after one year)

Kevin Curtis (Money for nothing)

Brandon Jones (none exsistent in San Fran)

Javon Walker (Denver gave up a 2nd rounder but never recovered from ACL)

Chris Chambers (for a 2nd - never broke a 1000 yards in SD)

Antonio Bryant (Best years came after he was out of the league in 2007)

OK, maybe not a general rule but I believe the odds are against a team trading for VJax.
haha, it's not quite fair to add in so many WR who weren't good to begin with. Doesn't make your general rule any more applicable. It's just a litttttle bit different with a player of Vjax's caliber.

 
I'll be honest. I didn't even read your response.....because you still aren't addressing the largest part of this equation. He's going to command a big fat new contract. That is the sole reason this won't happen.
That's true. Antonio Bryant just signed a four year deal worth $28 million, and you'd have to think that Jackson would be able to exceed those numbers. A mid-late first round pick would be about 1/3 the salary he will likely command. ( http://fourthandgoalunites.com/2010/03/02/...onuses-in-2009/ ) And any contract would have to be structured in such a way that it would be unmatchable by the Chargers, unless they were willing to part with Jackson. But again, this is a surmountable issue for a team that's seriously interested in a young, big receiver with speed and good route running skills, and especially a team in the same conference. Yes, he'll command the salary of a top 5 pick, but if a team thought he were similar in talent to the top players in the draft, we'd be talking about how it would "only" cost them a first and a third to move up there.
 
I'll be honest. I didn't even read your response.....because you still aren't addressing the largest part of this equation. He's going to command a big fat new contract. That is the sole reason this won't happen.
That's true. Antonio Bryant just signed a four year deal worth $28 million, and you'd have to think that Jackson would be able to exceed those numbers. A mid-late first round pick would be about 1/3 the salary he will likely command. ( http://fourthandgoalunites.com/2010/03/02/...onuses-in-2009/ ) And any contract would have to be structured in such a way that it would be unmatchable by the Chargers, unless they were willing to part with Jackson. But again, this is a surmountable issue for a team that's seriously interested in a young, big receiver with speed and good route running skills, and especially a team in the same conference. Yes, he'll command the salary of a top 5 pick, but if a team thought he were similar in talent to the top players in the draft, we'd be talking about how it would "only" cost them a first and a third to move up there.
Oh, I get that it's a "surmountable issue". It makes sense to us, but for whatever reason these things rarely happen. When is the last time a young, tendered 1st and 3rd RFA who is a vital part of a playoff team was signed away by another team? Off the top of my head, I'd venture to guess it's never happened.

 
My list:

Randy Moss (Oakland got minimal production and gave up the #7. Yes NE did steal him)

Justin McCareins (2nd round pick)

Roy Williams (1st, 3rd and 5th picks)

Joey Galloway (two 1st for average production)

Jerry Porter (done after 1 year)

Nate Burleson (Gave up a 3rd and never equaled his Minny production)

Deon Branch (gave up a 1st and got injured)

DJ Hackett (done after 1 year)

Bryant Johnson (average)

Donte Stallworth (done with the Eagles after one year)

Kevin Curtis (Money for nothing)

Brandon Jones (none exsistent in San Fran)

Javon Walker (Denver gave up a 2nd rounder but never recovered from ACL)

Chris Chambers (for a 2nd - never broke a 1000 yards in SD)

Antonio Bryant (Best years came after he was out of the league in 2007)

OK, maybe not a general rule but I believe the odds are against a team trading for VJax.
haha, it's not quite fair to add in so many WR who weren't good to begin with. Doesn't make your general rule any more applicable. It's just a litttttle bit different with a player of Vjax's caliber.
What player in history would you put on par with VJax? Along with Malcomn Floyd, he averaged 17.2 yards per receiption. How many teams consistently threw the ball deep like that? Honestly, it is hard for me to imagine that he put up the same kind of production on another team.

 
Isn't he also facing a couple game suspension... and hasn't he had 2 DUIs in 2 years?

VJax comes with package, I would pass

 
az_prof said:
I can't imagine SD will let him walk (they can match any offer) unless the character issues (DUIs) are more serious than the team has let on or the press has reported. So, as a VJax owner I would be more worried if he is allowed to walk. Moreover, it is often a difficult transition for a WR to go to a new QB and a new offense. We know his role in SD and we know his QB Rivers is above average.
As a Chargers fan, I'd be very happy to get a 1st and 3rd for him with the DUI's and huge money he's going to want.
 
What would a poison pill look like?
I believe it would be something like a large bonus in the event the player accomplishes something that can only be accomplished if he were playing for his current team (e.g., if VJax plays more than x amount of games in a year in the State of California).
Really? I can't imagine the league would allow this. It seems pretty absurd.

ETA: :shocked: how dumb. I can't believe the league hasn't stepped in to deal with this, How absurd.

It's tender time in the NFL. For teams that have not already done so, they must apply one of five available tenders to their restricted free agents by Thursday to secure the right of first refusal and more for those players. Those tenders take on added significance this year, the first to begin without a salary cap since 1993, because more players than usual will be restricted.

The problem for those restricted players hoping to land a big contract is that competing teams will be very hesitant to sign them to offer sheets for two reasons. The first is an exceptionally deep draft; most franchises will be loath to give up their precious picks in a deep draft to land a restricted free agent. The second is if the player is truly worth giving up picks for, odds are his team will match the offer sheet. Some teams look at signing a player to an offer sheet as just doing the other team's work for them, since the original team can match the offer and retain the player.

But what if those teams could ensure the offer would not be matched? That might change things a little bit. All any team need do is insert a term that is pretty much unmatchable. It's called a poison pill.

For example, if Bill Parcells wants to reunite with former Cowboys undrafted free agent Miles Austin, Miami could craft an offer sheet that says Austin's contract would need to be the highest on the team and 100 percent guaranteed if he plays more than four games in the state of Texas. Surely Jerry Jones would have to let Austin go since he wouldn't want to pay him more than Tony Romo or DeMarcus Ware, let alone guaranteeing the entire contract.

Poison pills are a completely legal and acceptable way to acquire tendered players in the NFL. An arbitrator ruled so in a grievance the Seahawks filed in 2006 after the Minnesota Vikings snuck a fast one past Seattle to secure All-Pro left guard Steve Hutchinson. The Seahawks quickly returned the favor by inserting their own poison pill to steal Nate Burleson from the Vikings. Yet amazingly, even though two players of that caliber were acquired in such a manner, there has not been another poison pill acquisition.

The only logical explanation for the lack of poison pill use in one of the most competitive and cutthroat industries in the U.S. is that some type of gentlemen's agreement is in place. With the job turnover for coaches and executives and the ever-present insecurity that entails, how can it possibly be that not one of these 32 teams has had a desire to do what it takes to sign any of these tagged or tendered players?

One ex-GM I spoke with said he never heard anything about not using a poison pill from his owner. He theorized that most people's reluctancy to tender offer sheets to restricted free agents has more to do with not wanting to give up draft choices.

To be clear, I don't blame the ownership if it does have a gentlemen's agreement in place. I don't think poison pill contracts are good for the league as a whole. The problem, of course, is that there is another name for a gentlemen's agreement: Collusion.

Executives in the league office get very uncomfortable when they hear that term, and rightfully so. If the league were found guilty of such a claim, their anti-trust exemption could be in jeopardy.

Given the snail-like pace of the current CBA negotiations and the increasing threat of a lockout in 2011, the NFLPA likely is willing to use every chip it can to get the best deal. Any collusion claim, especially if it involved the lack of poison pill use, could be an extremely big chip.

NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has already said he is going to be watching team expenditures very closely in this uncapped environment for any sign the teams have come together and decided collectively to keep player costs low.

So what does all this mean for the average fan who couldn't care less about CBA negotiations? It means if your team elects not to improve via restricted free agency, it had better say it is because it doesn't want to give up any draft choices. Because having a fear that the other team will match their offer should not apply in an era in which the poison pill is a legitimate mechanism.

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Naanee, Floyd, Davis anyone? Not a big fan of Floyd. Naanee looks to have more upside. Davis never has "got it". Looks like their first two picks may be RB / WR.

 
Naanee, Floyd, Davis anyone? Not a big fan of Floyd. Naanee looks to have more upside. Davis never has "got it". Looks like their first two picks may be RB / WR.
Floyd was also tendered at a 1st and 3rd, and Chambers was cut so he could start. The fantasy community is seriously sleeping on this guy.Naanu Naanu is the slot guy in this offense but it would be interesting to see what he could do as an outside receiver. A little too much hype on him in the SP I think, but I'm willing to wait and see what he does if he ever does get a shot. BUSTer Davis is just that. I can't remember a WR drafted in the first round who had a combined 10 catches in his 2nd and 3rd years, not due to injury, and then went on to amount to anything in the future.
 
Naanee, Floyd, Davis anyone? Not a big fan of Floyd. Naanee looks to have more upside. Davis never has "got it". Looks like their first two picks may be RB / WR.
Floyd was also tendered at a 1st and 3rd, and Chambers was cut so he could start. The fantasy community is seriously sleeping on this guy.Naanu Naanu is the slot guy in this offense but it would be interesting to see what he could do as an outside receiver. A little too much hype on him in the SP I think, but I'm willing to wait and see what he does if he ever does get a shot. BUSTer Davis is just that. I can't remember a WR drafted in the first round who had a combined 10 catches in his 2nd and 3rd years, not due to injury, and then went on to amount to anything in the future.
Maybe they go after T Owens.
 
Naanee, Floyd, Davis anyone? Not a big fan of Floyd. Naanee looks to have more upside. Davis never has "got it". Looks like their first two picks may be RB / WR.
Floyd was also tendered at a 1st and 3rd, and Chambers was cut so he could start. The fantasy community is seriously sleeping on this guy.
I agree with this. Floyd's career trajectory has been a strange one since he spent so many years languishing in obscurity before finally becoming a relevant player, but the massive tender tells you everything you need to know about San Diego's opinion of him. He's the guy you want if Jackson leaves and he may even have some value as the WR2 if Jackson stays. Beyond that I'm mildly intrigued by Naanee. Davis is a bust. Demetrius Byrd has some potential and I would look for the Chargers to add another body in the middle rounds this year.
 
Naanee, Floyd, Davis anyone? Not a big fan of Floyd. Naanee looks to have more upside. Davis never has "got it". Looks like their first two picks may be RB / WR.
Floyd was also tendered at a 1st and 3rd, and Chambers was cut so he could start. The fantasy community is seriously sleeping on this guy.
I agree with this. Floyd's career trajectory has been a strange one since he spent so many years languishing in obscurity before finally becoming a relevant player, but the massive tender tells you everything you need to know about San Diego's opinion of him. He's the guy you want if Jackson leaves and he may even have some value as the WR2 if Jackson stays. Beyond that I'm mildly intrigued by Naanee. Davis is a bust. Demetrius Byrd has some potential and I would look for the Chargers to add another body in the middle rounds this year.
Floyd had 600 yds and 1 td on an offense that couldn't run. He will be 29 by the time the season starts. Doesn't sound like a whole lotta upside to me.
 
Floyd had 600 yds and 1 td on an offense that couldn't run. He will be 29 by the time the season starts. Doesn't sound like a whole lotta upside to me.
He actually had 776 yards, and didn't start until week 9. From week 10 forward he had at least 3 catches in every game, and in week 17 went 9-140. With a full year starting, VJax likely to miss the first 4 games due to suspension, and Gates possibly beginning to slow a bit, I think Floyd is a fine bye/injury replacement player. Not going to be a stud, but a solid bench guy to own for the next 1-3 years.
 
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Floyd had 600 yds and 1 td on an offense that couldn't run. He will be 29 by the time the season starts. Doesn't sound like a whole lotta upside to me.
He actually had 776 yards, and didn't start until week 9. From week 10 forward he had at least 3 catches in every game, and in week 17 went 9-140. With a full year starting, VJax likely to miss the first 4 games due to suspension, and Gates possibly beginning to slow a bit, I think Floyd is a fine bye/injury replacement player. Not going to be a stud, but a solid bench guy to own for the next 1-3 years.
Yeah, he might be a good guy to have on your bench, but I don't think I could ever start him, and with Floyd turning 29 and looking at his body of work, he's not a desirable dynasty player IMO.
 
Floyd had 600 yds and 1 td on an offense that couldn't run. He will be 29 by the time the season starts. Doesn't sound like a whole lotta upside to me.
He actually had 776 yards, and didn't start until week 9. From week 10 forward he had at least 3 catches in every game, and in week 17 went 9-140. With a full year starting, VJax likely to miss the first 4 games due to suspension, and Gates possibly beginning to slow a bit, I think Floyd is a fine bye/injury replacement player. Not going to be a stud, but a solid bench guy to own for the next 1-3 years.
Yeah, he might be a good guy to have on your bench, but I don't think I could ever start him, and with Floyd turning 29 and looking at his body of work, he's not a desirable dynasty player IMO.
Every guy on a dynasty roster's bench doesn't have to be 23 with a 5% chance of being a future stud and a 95% chance of being another nobody that never ever becomes a starter (OK, I'm exaggerating, but doing so to make a point). Sometimes you just need 2-3 bench guys who will be good productive players for the coming year. I want a balance, and I think Floyd fits the bill in the right situation. You could do a lot worse. Hell, he could possibly be a 1,000 yard receiver this year if things fall right. He was 200+ yards short last year and wasn't starting for much of the season.
 
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Every guy on a dynasty roster's bench doesn't have to be 23 with a 5% chance of being a future stud and a 95% chance of being another nobody that never ever becomes a starter (OK, I'm exaggerating, but doing so to make a point). Sometimes you just need 2-3 bench guys who will be good productive players for the coming year. I want a balance, and I think Floyd fits the bill in the right situation. You could do a lot worse. Hell, he could possibly be a 1,000 yard receiver this year if things fall right. He was 200+ yards short last year and wasn't starting for much of the season.
You're not telling me anything I don't already know. It's just a personal preference thing I guess.
 

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