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Vincent Jackson moving forward? (1 Viewer)

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Vincent Jackson is one of those players that is kind of tough to get a read on moving forward. Currently he's not listed on the injury report but is known to be dealing with a rib injury of some kind. Can he be trusted moving foward as a WR1 or WR2? He's got all kinds of talent but this team seems like they are on the verge of collapse.

He has pretty sweet matchups the next three weeks with Philly, Atlanta, and Carolina. But is he going to be able to do anything with them?

This doesn't sound encouraging.

(Rotoworld)Playing through a rib injury, Vincent Jackson was held to two catches for 27 yards in Tampa's Week 4 loss to the Cardinals.

Analysis: Despite what the box score would suggest, Jackson wasn't on a snap count, and actually drew 11 targets from Mike Glennon. The rookie quarterback proved utterly incapable of delivering him the ball, however, sailing a number of passes either over Jackson's head or out of bounds. V-Jax was the intended target on both of Glennon's interceptions. Neither pick was V-Jax's fault. The good news, however, is that Jackson has Tampa's Week 5 bye to heal up and get on the same page with his new signal caller. Despite the dud afternoon, Jackson is on pace for 68 catches and 1,168 yards. He's a borderline WR1.

 
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I do not consider him a WR1 at this time. Not at all.

I think he's likely a solid WR2, but could fall to WR3.

Fitzgerald was a WR4 last year. I think Tampa's offense is better off than ARI's was last year, including two other offensive weapons besides Jackson that teams should have to pat attention to (Martin, Williams), so I don't think his floor is quite that low. But it could be pretty low.

I bought-low on him in my main league and he is my new WR3 (replacing a revolving door of V.Brown, Givens, Britt that I whiffed on every week). I'm comfortable with him as a WR3, I'd be apprehensive with him as a WR2 and I'd be desperate to fix my team if he was my WR1.

 
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I really hope he puts together a sweet line against Philly.... so that I can dump him. Glennon is not the answer for that team. Schiano is absolutely nuts to think he's a better QB for this season.

VJax ROS = 2012 Fitz, at best.

 
I agree that VJ's value has taken a hit, but I wouldn't automatically dismiss Glennon - at least yet. He's only started one game and it's not like Freeman was setting the world on fire.

Not optimistic myself, but not ready to bury Jackson's chances yet either.

 
I agree that VJ's value has taken a hit, but I wouldn't automatically dismiss Glennon - at least yet. He's only started one game and it's not like Freeman was setting the world on fire.

Not optimistic myself, but not ready to bury Jackson's chances yet either.
1400 yards 8 TDs last year to VJax?

Maybe he wasn't the best NFL QB, but he got the ball downfield to VJax plenty well. He was great for VJax's fantasy value.

 
I agree that VJ's value has taken a hit, but I wouldn't automatically dismiss Glennon - at least yet. He's only started one game and it's not like Freeman was setting the world on fire.

Not optimistic myself, but not ready to bury Jackson's chances yet either.
1400 yards 8 TDs last year to VJax?

Maybe he wasn't the best NFL QB, but he got the ball downfield to VJax plenty well. He was great for VJax's fantasy value.
I meant this year. Like the offense overall, Freeman regressed.

 
I want to see more of glennon this week. I'm rolling with him but with very little confidence. If he doesn't produce this week he is a WR4 on my roster.

 
The arm strength is there to make every type of NFL throw. On the flip side, he tends to rely on it more often than not. Whether it's forcing the ball into deep coverage or throwing off his back foot when pressured
Glennon needs to show more confidence when attacking defenses downfield. There are occasions when he struggles under duress and tries to force throws. Well, that nearly cost North Carolina State against Florida State more than once.
As a VJax owner, I want a guy who will force him the ball. It'll be an up and down journey, but I'm okay with VJax as my #2

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.
They've played from behind in one game and were beaten on late field goals in three others. They aren't a "bad team." They're average QB play away from being 3-1.

Glennon has a rifle. If teams stack the box to stop Tampa's running game he's going to hit on some throws to VjAx.

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.
They've played from behind in one game and were beaten on late field goals in three others. They aren't a "bad team." They're average QB play away from being 3-1.

Glennon has a rifle. If teams stack the box to stop Tampa's running game he's going to hit on some throws to VjAx.
Thats my thought process,i can see Defenses daring Glennon to beat them and Vjax is big enough to win many a jump ball

 
it will be interesting to see how the past 2 weeks (w/ the bye) have improved the rapport between glennon and the wrs. those of us who own vjax (and williams) have been dealt this crap sandwich by that turd schiano. i do like the 11 targets in the first game together, but the 2 receptions, not so much. there is a lot of talent on this team, both sides of the ball, so i'm guardedly optimistic re: vjax.

i'm rolling w/ him at WR2 this week and crossing my fingers for a 10+ point effort.

 
it will be interesting to see how the past 2 weeks (w/ the bye) have improved the rapport between glennon and the wrs. those of us who own vjax (and williams) have been dealt this crap sandwich by that turd schiano. i do like the 11 targets in the first game together, but the 2 receptions, not so much. there is a lot of talent on this team, both sides of the ball, so i'm guardedly optimistic re: vjax.

i'm rolling w/ him at WR2 this week and crossing my fingers for a 10+ point effort.
Keep in mind Williams and Jackson basically didn't practice with Glennon at all before the Arizona game. They were both game time decisions.

 
it will be interesting to see how the past 2 weeks (w/ the bye) have improved the rapport between glennon and the wrs. those of us who own vjax (and williams) have been dealt this crap sandwich by that turd schiano. i do like the 11 targets in the first game together, but the 2 receptions, not so much. there is a lot of talent on this team, both sides of the ball, so i'm guardedly optimistic re: vjax.

i'm rolling w/ him at WR2 this week and crossing my fingers for a 10+ point effort.
Keep in mind Williams and Jackson basically didn't practice with Glennon at all before the Arizona game. They were both game time decisions.
This. Also, Jackson has the talent and speed to be successful with a big armed, rookie QB. I'm buying him from every owner that's down on him.

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.
Except for one thing. Tampa's defense is actually quite good. They will find a way to muddle through games where they play in low scoring tight games. They really are not a bad team. They have a bad coach. But the talent is there.

As for Glennon, he's got a good arm. The philosophy of the Bucs isn't changing any. They will continue to throw the ball deep and put their receivers in jump ball situations. The 2 receptions on 11 targets is ominous. But it wont be a trend. It can't get any worse. Still, the low percentage throws have the upside of being really long scoring plays. It might not happen as often as VJAX owners want or expect, but one good play can your fantasy day.

His value has tumbled. He's become untradeable at reasonable value. He's best to hold and wait for his value to rise to legit WR3 status, which is probably all he'll ever be going forward. It's a hit from his previous WR2 status with WR1 upside. But that ship has sailed now. Just hope you can get a good couple of weeks and throw him into trades at WR3 value. Or hold and work trades to upgrade for a legit WR2. As a weekly WR3, you could do worse.

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.
It won't matter if his QB can't deliver the ball. I'm tempted to sit VJax for the likes of Boldin, Jeffery, and even K. Allen given the QB issues. VJax could come alive any week now and go for 150 and 3, but until I see signs of life out of Glennon, I will have a hard time starting him over other options.

 
I've benched V Jax in every game this season behind Fitzgerald, Garçon and Gordon, as I simply didn't like the noises come out of Tampa Bay since week 1. Quite thankful about that because some of the numbers have been horrible.

Strangely, I'm beginning to turn around on him and the possibilities going forward. Had been trying to trade him away but at this point I almost feel more inclined to let Fitzgerald go ( trying to package up a WR and RB for a kick ### WR1 )

 
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I would be willing to bet he finishes in top 3 WRs this weekend. Glennon's big arm plus a long bye week to get on the same page with eachother plus the birds' highly questionable secondary is a recipe for success. 7-8 receptions, 120+ yards and 2tds is my thinking.i If you really are down on him, wait till he torches the Eagles this week and then sell high. I personally am excited for the QB change and think he's a strong WR1 moving forward.

 
He's played 1 game with Glennon folks, and that was a week he didn't practice with busted ribs. Give him at least 1 more week before selling him for peanuts...

 
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Any news on whether he fully practiced today? The rib injury was supposed to be a five week thing. I wonder if anyone has any insight on what type of rib injury would take five weeks to heal and the prognosis of that injury.

Glennon probably can't get much worse than Freeman has been this year. But Freeman was really productive for a large part of last year. He probably had a shot at getting it going if they had stuck with him.

I have never seen Glennon play. I like hearing that he has a big arm and doesn't hesitate to throw the deep ball, though. Hopefully defenses will be daring Glennon to beat them in the passing game and focusing on stopping Martin. Could be a recipe for some big numbers for VJax.

 
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Any news on whether he fully practiced today? The rib injury was supposed to be a five week thing. I wonder if anyone has any insight on what type of rib injury would take five weeks to heal and the prognosis of that injury.

Glennon probably can't get much worse than Freeman has been this year. But Freeman was really productive for a large part of last year. He probably had a shot at getting it going if they had stuck with him.

I have never seen Glennon play. I like hearing that he has a big arm and doesn't hesitate to throw the deep ball, though. Hopefully defenses will be daring Glennon to beat them in the passing game and focusing on stopping Martin. Could be a recipe for some big numbers for VJax.
As I now own both Martin and VJackson, I just hope that the defense can't choke out both the ground an air games. My fear is that Glennon himself stops the passing game and stacked boxes stop the running game. I don't think it'll be too bad though. That bye week + the weak Philly DEF to start out should help things.

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.
It won't matter if his QB can't deliver the ball. I'm tempted to sit VJax for the likes of Boldin, Jeffery, and even K. Allen given the QB issues. VJax could come alive any week now and go for 150 and 3, but until I see signs of life out of Glennon, I will have a hard time starting him over other options.
This is unfortunately where I'm at. Two receptions on 11 targets scares me to where I need a dog. Thinking of playing Denarius Moore over him, just seems safer. If all practice reports are glowing, injury seems almost all gone, then will have a tough time sitting him though.

 
I'm trying to buy low wherever possible.

One of the most physically talented WRs on a bad team that should be playing from behind EVERY week.
It won't matter if his QB can't deliver the ball. I'm tempted to sit VJax for the likes of Boldin, Jeffery, and even K. Allen given the QB issues. VJax could come alive any week now and go for 150 and 3, but until I see signs of life out of Glennon, I will have a hard time starting him over other options.
This is unfortunately where I'm at. Two receptions on 11 targets scares me to where I need a dog. Thinking of playing Denarius Moore over him, just seems safer. If all practice reports are glowing, injury seems almost all gone, then will have a tough time sitting him though.
You will regret not starting him against the Eagles. Seriously, that secondary is horrendous.

 
Only time will tell...But I dont think its a bad strategy to sell him if he has a great game vs Philly. Just don't sell low. Get appropriate value (meaning the value that VJax had BEFORE the change to Glennon happened).

 
Mike Glennon is Blaine Gabbert part deux.

He is really bad. Simply isn't a NFL QB.

I'm not even sure they will move the ball successfully against the Eagles and that is sad.

I saw the owner of Vincent Jackson in my league turn down a trade for Knowshon Moreno. That was a really bad move IMO.

 
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Warning alternative view here... Lets start with glennon. Granted he may not be very good but has only one game and can only get better. Say what you want about him but scouts agree he has a big arm and can push the ball downfield which is VJ's game. More importantly, lets remember something, Freeman reverted back to his rookie year this year. He wasnt reading defenses and contiues to overthrow gian tWRs like VJax still. Freeman was ranked 33 by PFF out of 32 starting QBs while with the bucs. Point is Glennon cant be worse.

Now VJax value is down clearly but you have some positives this week. First a great matchup and Boykin may be out or banged up. VJax will be the focus by Glennon this week so targets will be there. VJax still drops too many passes but he is going to get his. Second coming off a bye you have to inagine these guys spent a lot of time getting on the same page this past week. Third and fourth they only have VJ and MWill. Thats it. No TE viable even with crabtree, and nothing in the slot. Plus they need points to keep up with Philly this week and as crazy as it sounds, a win this week actually gives them hope to get back in the hunt in the very weak NFC. The bottom line is this. He may not be great longterm but if you have plans to sell him, this is the week to wait for and then deal him. I would even go so far as saying start him over a lot of other #2 WRs in lineups this week.

 
Leonidas said:
CariocaSean said:
Any news on whether he fully practiced today? The rib injury was supposed to be a five week thing. I wonder if anyone has any insight on what type of rib injury would take five weeks to heal and the prognosis of that injury.

Glennon probably can't get much worse than Freeman has been this year. But Freeman was really productive for a large part of last year. He probably had a shot at getting it going if they had stuck with him.

I have never seen Glennon play. I like hearing that he has a big arm and doesn't hesitate to throw the deep ball, though. Hopefully defenses will be daring Glennon to beat them in the passing game and focusing on stopping Martin. Could be a recipe for some big numbers for VJax.
As I now own both Martin and VJackson, I just hope that the defense can't choke out both the ground an air games. My fear is that Glennon himself stops the passing game and stacked boxes stop the running game. I don't think it'll be too bad though. That bye week + the weak Philly DEF to start out should help things.
As an owner of both Martin and Jackson like yourself, who would you rather start this week ? Can't decide between them as to who should start in flex this weekend.

Martin will always get 20+ carries but it seems like his ceiling is real low just now in terms of being able to bust out large numbers.

 

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