What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Vincent Jackson to Report to Chargers October 31 (1 Viewer)

Filed to ESPN: Restricted Free Agents Vincent Jackson and Logan Mankins will report to Chargers and Patriots by different deadlines. Jackson will report by Oct. 31 and Mankins by Nov. 24. Link should be up soon.

 
Will these guys even try? The whole point in not signing their tenders originally was that they don't get any large guaranteed money in case of injury...I don't see either of them risking any sort of injury now.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Link as promised:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5683051

Sources: Players advised to reportEmail Print Comments1 By Chris Mortensen

ESPN

Archive

Restricted free agents Vincent Jackson and Logan Mankins both will report this season to their respective teams, the San Diego Chargers and New England Patriots, upon recommendation from the National Football Players Association, according to several sources.

Under this scenario, Jackson will report to the Chargers by Oct. 31 and Mankins will report to the Patriots by Nov. 16 to earn an accrued season and secure unrestricted free agency in 2011.

Jackson's reporting deadline is earlier because the Chargers elected to place him on roster exempt, meaning Jackson must sit out three unpaid games before he is eligible to receive the necessary six paid games to earn his sixth accrued season.

Neither Jackson nor Mankins could be reached for comment. Their agents, Neil Schwartz (Jackson) and Frank Bauer (Mankins), declined comment.

Jackson and Mankins were among the players caught in significant changes because of an uncapped year that moved unrestricted free agency from four years to six years. Jackson and Mankins became part of a large class of restricted free agents when their contracts expired after their fifth season (2009). Both declined to sign their restricted free agent contract tenders, a requirement before players can report to their teams.

In a related development, NFLPA general counsel Richard Berthelsen recently sought clarification on the reporting dates because the NFL constitution has a by-law that states clubs have an option not reinstate a player who reports after Tuesday's trade deadline. That created a potential conflict with the labor agreement, which states that a player who has not signed a contract by the Tuesday following the 10th week of the regular season would be ineligible to play that year.

Jeffrey Kessler, chief outside legal counsel for the NFLPA, confirmed that he was asked by the union to clarify the potential conflict.

"The issue arose, we had a discussion and the league quickly agreed that the CBA supersedes the constitution on any potential conflicting provision," Kessler said.

"Yes, that's correct," confirmed NFL spokesman Greg Aiello via email. "In the CBA, a restricted free agent has the right to accept his tender and report to the club any time up until the Tuesday after week 10 (Nov. 16, 4 p.m. ET) of the regular season, whether or not the club requests or agrees to his reporting."

Berthelsen asked Kessler to get a clarification because the league constitution that governs its 32 member clubs addresses the status of specific absent players in by-law 17-13: "All players in categories of Reserve/Retired, Reserve/Did Not Report, and Reserve/Veteran Free Agent asked to Re-Sign will continue to be prohibited from being reinstated in the last 30 days of the regular season. Additionally, no player in such category shall be reinstated between the trade deadline of the applicable season and the normal 30-day deadline unless the club initiates the reinstatement request and the commissioner approves it."

The union wanted pre-emptive clarification in case one of the clubs attempted to use the constitutional by-law to prohibit Jackson and Mankins from reporting because it did not want to have file a grievance to a Special Master, creating further delay.

Kessler would not confirm that the union has recommended Jackson and Mankins report in time to get their sixth accrued season in the event there is no labor agreement. That would allow teams to impose the restricted contract tenders on them in 2011, per the current CBA.

The same sources strongly reaffirmed Jackson and Mankins are expected to follow the NFLPA's recommendation and report to the Chargers and Patriots by their respective deadlines to ensure unrestricted free agency in 2011.

Jackson would miss his unpaid games of Oct. 31 (vs. Tennessee), Nov. 7 (at Houston) and Nov. 22 (vs. Broncos) because of his roster-exempt status before he can be paid for the final six games, starting Nov. 28 (at Indianapolis). The Chargers have a bye in week 10.

Mankins would have to report by the final deadline of Nov. 24, making him eligible to be paid and play in the final seven games because the Patriots had their bye in week five. The Patriots opted not to place him roster exempt, as the Chargers did with Jackson.

Both players can be traded by Tuesday's 4 p.m. deadline if they are willing to sign their contract tenders. Jackson would have to sit out the first three games with his new team under his roster-exempt status before being eligible to play.

Jackson was able to serve a three-game suspension to begin the season for violation of the personal conduct policy after being convicted of a second DUI even though he is not under contract.

The Chargers receiver, a Pro Bowl selection in 2009, is not facing an automatic year suspension under the substance abuse policy -- the next alcohol or drug violation under a specific disciplinary scale, would cost Jackson four game checks. Jackson is being tested randomly several times per month under the policy.

By Jackson and Mankins earning a sixth accrued season, the only way the Chargers and Patriots can restrict their free agency in 2011 would be to place a franchise tag on them next February at a considerably higher guaranteed value than the restricted contract tenders. A transition tag also would be available for the Chargers and Patriots instead of the franchise tag, but the teams would not receive any draft pick compensation and would only have right of first refusal on any contract the players signed with another team.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.com.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Vincent Jackson will report to the Chargers by October 31.

Marcus McNeill's extension apparently got the ball rolling for V-Jax, though he'd be remiss to expect similar treatment. Still, it's big news for the Bolts, who can move Legedu Naanee back into his natural third receiver role. Jackson, who's been training hard on his own in hopes of a trade to this point, would likely be quick to make Malcom Floyd a No. 2 receiver. This, of course, is assuming that hard-headed Chargers GM A.J. Smith accepts Jackson's return with open arms. (He'd be insane not too). Grab Jackson immediately if he's on your waiver wire. Already the No. 1 fantasy quarterback, Philip Rivers' stock couldn't look stronger.

 
The question I'd like to know is when can he play? Report says he'll report by the 31st of October. Does that mean he could report well before then? Like, this week?

 
Will these guys even try? The whole point in not signing their tenders originally was that they don't get any large guaranteed money in case of injury...I don't see either of them risking any sort of injury now.
That would be a unique way to get the long term contract you think you've been owed. His agents look like laughing stocks right about now so I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point though.Unless VJ can tackle on special teams or block for the punter I'm not sure this move will change the fortune of the Chargers though. They haven't been losing because they can't pass the ball.
 
Will these guys even try? The whole point in not signing their tenders originally was that they don't get any large guaranteed money in case of injury...I don't see either of them risking any sort of injury now.
That would be a unique way to get the long term contract you think you've been owed.
Also, you're a lot more likely to get injured when you don't play hard.
 
The question I'd like to know is when can he play? Report says he'll report by the 31st of October. Does that mean he could report well before then? Like, this week?
I don't see a reason for him to report before Oct 31, since his game checks will be so small.He'll report in time to play in the last six games plus the playoffs (if they make the playoffs).
 
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Vincent Jackson will report to the Chargers by October 31.

Marcus McNeill's extension apparently got the ball rolling for V-Jax, though he'd be remiss to expect similar treatment. Because of his "Roster Exempt" status, Jackson will not be eligible to play until November 28 (Week 12). Still, it'll be a big late-season plus for the Bolts, who can move Legedu Naanee back into his natural third receiver role. Jackson, who's trained hard on his own in hopes of a trade, would likely be quick to make Malcom Floyd a No. 2 receiver. This, of course, is assuming that hard-headed Chargers GM A.J. Smith accepts Jackson's return with open arms. (He'd be insane not to). Grab Jackson immediately if he's on your waiver wire. Already the No. 1 fantasy quarterback, Philip Rivers' stock couldn't be looking stronger. If all goes as planned, Jackson will be available prior to the fantasy playoffs.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

 
Trying to figure out if it's worth sending trade offers out to current owners in an attempt to grab him before the news breaks to them. Hard to put a value on him in a redraft, not entirely sure when you'd get him and if it's worth losing that roster slot for that many weeks if you don't have deep benches.

 
Putting him on the roster-exempt list was good since it gets him to report three weeks earlier.

I wish he'd signed the original $3.3 million tender. I bet he does too.

Oh, well. Bygones.

 
The only downside to this is that now we'll never know if he would have been a restricted free agent again next season. I was looking forward to that drama.

 
Available in my league...but I just don't think I can take up a roster spot with him sitting on my bench for the next 6 weeks, and then hope he starts performing almost immediately just in time for fantasy playoffs.

 
So assuming VJ will not play until week 12, do we really think he will jump in immediately and become an elite WR? Assuming Floyd continues to perform, will he go back to #2 WR (#3 option behind VJ/Gates)?

I am sure someone in the Shark Pool has some history of players that make season debuts that late in the season and their performances. Right?

 
Meh .. dumped him in my re-draft for Britt yesterday and probably will keep it that way. (Short 4 wr bench)

 
They said if he gets traded he would have to sit 3 games with the new team.

So hypothetically if he got traded this week could he play a lot sooner then week 12 by sitting out weeks 6-8 with his new team and returning week 9?

 
It's possible he just comes back and goes through the motions-- like so many have accused Moss and others of doing when unhappy or disinterested.

 
It's possible he just comes back and goes through the motions-- like so many have accused Moss and others of doing when unhappy or disinterested.
You really think he will do that considering he is playing for a huge contract that he needs to show he truly deserves. I don't think going out there and half assing it will do much towards getting him what he wants. Unless he is dumb as a rock, which his actions may have proven possible, I think he will think of it from the business and what is best for him stance and will go out and play the best football he can.
 
I made a trade for him in a dynasty earlier today for Benn and a 1st round pick. Should I offer anything extra to the owner giving up VJax or just consider myself lucky?

 
It's possible he just comes back and goes through the motions-- like so many have accused Moss and others of doing when unhappy or disinterested.
You really think he will do that considering he is playing for a huge contract that he needs to show he truly deserves. I don't think going out there and half assing it will do much towards getting him what he wants. Unless he is dumb as a rock, which his actions may have proven possible, I think he will think of it from the business and what is best for him stance and will go out and play the best football he can.
Agreed. And IMO he also will not want to dog it and let his teammates and coaches down. His dispute has not been with them.
 
It's possible he just comes back and goes through the motions-- like so many have accused Moss and others of doing when unhappy or disinterested.
You really think he will do that considering he is playing for a huge contract that he needs to show he truly deserves. I don't think going out there and half assing it will do much towards getting him what he wants. Unless he is dumb as a rock, which his actions may have proven possible, I think he will think of it from the business and what is best for him stance and will go out and play the best football he can.
How likely is it that AJ is even considering signing him long term?
 
The question I'd like to know is when can he play? Report says he'll report by the 31st of October. Does that mean he could report well before then? Like, this week?
nov. 28 vs. indy will be his 1st chance to play
Week 12 for FF...if ur correct
that's a long freakin' time to wait. probably worth it to just add him now, and then you have time to figure out what to do with him. would rather have him and figure that out, than lose out to another owner while figuring it out beforehand.that said, roy williams (DAL) is on the free agent list and he looks interesting, but jackson was a must add, since i know others in my league would be going for him.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top