Vincent Jackson's Woes (1 Viewer)

[just_want_2_win]

SD Homers, what's the deal with VJax? Why have his stats been so poor for 3 straight weeks?

His rib injury? I only heard about the rib injury last week but did he sustain it earlier? I know he dropped a 42 yard TD bomb vs. KC last game. Did the rib injury seem to have anything to do with that drop?

New offensive emphasis on LT and Gates? Seems like SD is spreading the ball more lately and LT certainly is running more and better than before. Malcom Floyd is a poor man's VJax and his elevation to the #2 spot coincides with VJax's productivity drop.

Is VJax simply finally seeing better or double coverage?

I know his targets were never that high all season but they have ticked down a bit and obviously his production has taken a nose dive. He's been my worst WR the last few weeks; I am almost nervous to use him vs. CLE this week. A one week bust from a WR I can dismiss but it's now been 3 straight games of this sort of thing, though this latest game represented a bit of a rebound.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

I'm also nervous about him this week as it seems that they haven't needed him later in the game like they did earlier in the season. My guess is that Jackson doesn't get his early then he's going to have another "quiet" game.

 

[treat88]

Not a SD homer but I will add my two cents.

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

I know he hasn't produced recently, but that is the nature of the position in part. WR's all see their share of ups and down, even in stretches over the course of any season.

The lack of production in part has also been a product of context. They lit up the broncos and the Chiefs and didn't have to look to the passing game to carry them.

Cleveland has some of the same potential for SD to just blow them out early.

That said, VJax is one of those WR's that, barring serious injury, would never see my bench regardless of match-up.

I would start him every week with optimism.

 

[munygon2]

Ever I since I traded for him 3 weeks ago I have been disappointed. He was putting up really nice points on a weekly basis, and then it just stopped. Teams need to be worried about Gates and LT a lot more now which might open the door for Jackson to get more production.

 

[supermark_28]

Not a SD homer but I will add my two cents.VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.I know he hasn't produced recently, but that is the nature of the position in part. WR's all see their share of ups and down, even in stretches over the course of any season.The lack of production in part has also been a product of context. They lit up the broncos and the Chiefs and didn't have to look to the passing game to carry them.Cleveland has some of the same potential for SD to just blow them out early.That said, VJax is one of those WR's that, barring serious injury, would never see my bench regardless of match-up.I would start him every week with optimism.

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

 

[SSOG]

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

He doesn't get a ton of red zone looks (offhand, I doubt he's in the top 10 in targets in the red zone), but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has.

 

[editor47]

Not a SD homer but I will add my two cents.

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

I know he hasn't produced recently, but that is the nature of the position in part. WR's all see their share of ups and down, even in stretches over the course of any season.

The lack of production in part has also been a product of context. They lit up the broncos and the Chiefs and didn't have to look to the passing game to carry them.

Cleveland has some of the same potential for SD to just blow them out early.

That said, VJax is one of those WR's that, barring serious injury, would never see my bench regardless of match-up.

I would start him every week with optimism.

go ahead and look for another top 5-10 WR who has gone through THREE games in a ROW like this. you won't. which is why he isn't top 5.

 

[Mimo]

Rivers is taking what the defense gives........Early in the season VJax was beating man coverage with Gates getting all the attention from defenses. Now VJax is getting all the attention, double coverage safety over the top, and Gates is feasting.

 

[Gr00vus]

Rivers is taking what the defense gives........Early in the season VJax was beating man coverage with Gates getting all the attention from defenses. Now VJax is getting all the attention, double coverage safety over the top, and Gates is feasting.

 

[metoo]

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

He doesn't get a ton of red zone looks (offhand, I doubt he's in the top 10 in targets in the red zone), but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has.

I'm not sold.Rice: 79 targets/ 59 catches 964 yards. YPC 17.2 He catches everything he doesn't drop balls. The only receivers with more yards Moss and Wayne.Vjax: 77 targets/49 catches 815 yards. YPC 16.6

 

[FavreCo]

He's drawing #1 AND double coverage now. It's that simple.

 

[editor47]

He's drawing #1 AND double coverage now. It's that simple.

that's such a copout. you don't think that applies to larry fitzgerald, reggie wayne, randy moss, andre johnson and others? yet none of those guys have been shut down like jackson has the last 3 games. i said it in another thread and i will say it here. 2 of his 5 targets last week came on bombs. he didn't catch either. and he isn't going to catch those regularly - at least no more than 50 percent of the time. if he catches the TD pass - which he didn't drop so much as he was covered and couldn't bring it in - he has a good game. not a great game.

 

[metoo]

He's drawing #1 AND double coverage now. It's that simple.

He's top 5, he should be able to handle this. He has a top 10 QB(minimum) and a top 3 TE, what the problem?

 

[metoo]

Rivers is taking what the defense gives........Early in the season VJax was beating man coverage with Gates getting all the attention from defenses. Now VJax is getting all the attention, double coverage safety over the top, and Gates is feasting.

Clark doesn't hurt WayneGarcon doesn't WayneCollie doesn't Wayne

 

[BoltBacker]

Rivers is taking what the defense gives........Early in the season VJax was beating man coverage with Gates getting all the attention from defenses. Now VJax is getting all the attention, double coverage safety over the top, and Gates is feasting.

Clark doesn't hurt WayneGarcon doesn't WayneCollie doesn't Wayne

OK, I'll play along.Rivers has 28, 22 and 25 attempts in the past three games. When was the last time Manning had three games in a row of 28 or fewer attempts?(It has happened BTW)

 

[SSOG]

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.

I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

He doesn't get a ton of red zone looks (offhand, I doubt he's in the top 10 in targets in the red zone), but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has.

I'm not sold.Rice: 79 targets/ 59 catches 964 yards. YPC 17.2 He catches everything he doesn't drop balls. The only receivers with more yards Moss and Wayne.

Vjax: 77 targets/49 catches 815 yards. YPC 16.6

I highlighted the relevant portion of my post. The red zone comparison between the two is as follows:VJax: 9 targets, 7 catches, 6 first downs, 6 TDs, 8.0 yards per target.

Rice: 12 targets, 7 catches, 4 first downs, 2 TDs, 4.5 yards per target.

Also, looking it up, VJax is 34th in the league in red zone targets. That's criminal.

 

[treat88]

Not a SD homer but I will add my two cents.

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

I know he hasn't produced recently, but that is the nature of the position in part. WR's all see their share of ups and down, even in stretches over the course of any season.

The lack of production in part has also been a product of context. They lit up the broncos and the Chiefs and didn't have to look to the passing game to carry them.

Cleveland has some of the same potential for SD to just blow them out early.

That said, VJax is one of those WR's that, barring serious injury, would never see my bench regardless of match-up.

I would start him every week with optimism.

go ahead and look for another top 5-10 WR who has gone through THREE games in a ROW like this. you won't. which is why he isn't top 5.

So Jackson has 7 receptions for 93 yards over his last 3.In 2006 Andre Johnson went 11 for 88 between weeks 14 and 16

In 2007 Marques Colston went 9 for 77 1TD between weeks 4 and 6

In 2008 Reggie Wayne went 10 for 118 between weeks 6 and 8

Steve Smith went 10 for 94 between weeks 7 and 9

Terrell Owens went 8 for 134 1 TD between weeks 5 and 7

I will grant you none of these lines is quite as poor as Jackson's stretch this season but none are dramatically different either.

Even elite talents go through non-productive stretches. Particularly at the WR position. (This was just a quick non-exhaustive search. I am sure other comps can be found.)

 

[BuckeyeArt]

VJax doesn't get enough targets to be a consistently elite WR. He's on pace for 105 targets this year. That number just isn't going to allow him to produce consistently elite numbers.

 

[PahtyTom]

If he caught that 42 yard TD bomb that he normally catches, would this thread have been started?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Good responses in this thread. I think it's just the ebb and flow of the games. Defenses entered the year taking away Gates at all costs. V-Jax has had his four lowest targeted weeks of the year over the last four games.

Vincent Jackson 7 7 8 7 bye 7 9 12 6 3 6 5

Rivers is simply going where the best/most defenders aren't.

In terms of red-zone touches, the Chargers have been OBSCENELY disproportionate. LT's had more RZ looks in one game than Jackson or Gates have had all year.

Red Zone Targets (carries, receiving, passing)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Tot

LaDainian Tomlinson 2 inj inj 2 bye 4 11 3 1 6 6 4 39

Darren Sproles 3 2 9 0 bye 1 0 2 0 0 3 4 24

Jacob Hester 0 0 0 0 bye 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 3

Michael Bennett 0 1 4 0 bye 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5

Mike Tolbert 0 0 2 0 bye 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 6

RB TOTAL 5 3 15 2 5 12 5 1 7 12 10 0 0 0 0 0 77

Vincent Jackson 1 0 1 0 bye 1 1 2 1 0 1 0 8

Chris Chambers 0 1 3 1 bye 0 1 0 cut - - - - - - - - 6

Malcom Floyd 0 0 1 1 bye 0 2 0 0 0 2 1 7

Legedu Naanee 0 1 1 0 bye 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 5

Buster Davis 0 0 0 0 bye 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Kassim Osgood 0 0 0 0 bye 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

WR TOTAL 1 2 6 2 1 4 3 1 1 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 26

Antonio Gates 0 0 1 2 bye 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 6

Brandon Manumaleuna 0 0 0 0 bye 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Kris Wilson 0 0 0 0 bye 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1

TE TOTAL 0 0 1 2 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 7

Criminal. Hell, Andre Caldwell has 11 RZ touches this year.

 

[FavreCo]

He's drawing #1 AND double coverage now. It's that simple.

that's such a copout. you don't think that applies to larry fitzgerald, reggie wayne, randy moss, andre johnson and others? yet none of those guys have been shut down like jackson has the last 3 games. i said it in another thread and i will say it here. 2 of his 5 targets last week came on bombs. he didn't catch either. and he isn't going to catch those regularly - at least no more than 50 percent of the time. if he catches the TD pass - which he didn't drop so much as he was covered and couldn't bring it in - he has a good game. not a great game.

He's not in their league. The link to prove that is what the deal is.

http://www.nctimes.com/sports/football/pro...1a734c8f48.html

 

[bweiser]

He's drawing #1 AND double coverage now. It's that simple.

that's such a copout. you don't think that applies to larry fitzgerald, reggie wayne, randy moss, andre johnson and others? yet none of those guys have been shut down like jackson has the last 3 games. i said it in another thread and i will say it here. 2 of his 5 targets last week came on bombs. he didn't catch either. and he isn't going to catch those regularly - at least no more than 50 percent of the time. if he catches the TD pass - which he didn't drop so much as he was covered and couldn't bring it in - he has a good game. not a great game.

He's not in their league.

yeah, but people are trying to pimp him as no. 5. and i don't think he's there yet.

 

[basher]

I have a strong feeling this poor three game stretch has more to do with playing a phily team that clearly focused on taking him out of the game plan and then playing two games in a row where they got out to early leads and then running 43 (against denver) and 34 times (against KC) ... why throw when you don't have to and when you are looking to just keep plugging the chains along why not throw to Gates?

He seems to have that thing with Rivers that Colst has with Brees. Teams that they should pummel they don't necessarily use their best WRs but against better teams teh targets increase.

 

[bweiser]

I have a strong feeling this poor three game stretch has more to do with playing a phily team that clearly focused on taking him out of the game plan and then playing two games in a row where they got out to early leads and then running 43 (against denver) and 34 times (against KC) ... why throw when you don't have to and when you are looking to just keep plugging the chains along why not throw to Gates?

He seems to have that thing with Rivers that Colst has with Brees. Teams that they should pummel they don't necessarily use their best WRs but against better teams teh targets increase.

and while that may be well and good, it makes him NOT a top 10 WR and not a true WR1. because if you can pick those games out, you can bench him, which you don't want to do with moss, fitzgerald, wayne, johnson et. al

 

[metoo]

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.

I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

He doesn't get a ton of red zone looks (offhand, I doubt he's in the top 10 in targets in the red zone), but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has.

I'm not sold.Rice: 79 targets/ 59 catches 964 yards. YPC 17.2 He catches everything he doesn't drop balls. The only receivers with more yards Moss and Wayne.

Vjax: 77 targets/49 catches 815 yards. YPC 16.6

I highlighted the relevant portion of my post. The red zone comparison between the two is as follows:VJax: 9 targets, 7 catches, 6 first downs, 6 TDs, 8.0 yards per target.

Rice: 12 targets, 7 catches, 4 first downs, 2 TDs, 4.5 yards per target.

Also, looking it up, VJax is 34th in the league in red zone targets. That's criminal.

I responded to " but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has."Explain why Rice has more catches and with the same targets? Rice has a higher YPC. SSOG, you watch a lot of games and and I respect you but on this I feel you are wrong. There are the top 4 receivers and everyone else. Vjax is not in the top 5. I'll take a receiver who fights for the ball like Fitzgerald over VJax all day. That receiver is Rice. You can have the speed.

 

[valhallan]

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.

I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

He doesn't get a ton of red zone looks (offhand, I doubt he's in the top 10 in targets in the red zone), but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has.

I'm not sold.Rice: 79 targets/ 59 catches 964 yards. YPC 17.2 He catches everything he doesn't drop balls. The only receivers with more yards Moss and Wayne.

Vjax: 77 targets/49 catches 815 yards. YPC 16.6

I highlighted the relevant portion of my post. The red zone comparison between the two is as follows:VJax: 9 targets, 7 catches, 6 first downs, 6 TDs, 8.0 yards per target.

Rice: 12 targets, 7 catches, 4 first downs, 2 TDs, 4.5 yards per target.

Also, looking it up, VJax is 34th in the league in red zone targets. That's criminal.

I responded to " but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has."

"Looks" refers to "red zone looks", as typed earlier in the same sentence.

 

[MrSoup]

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

Maybe not top 5, but definitely top 10, which is precisely why I think people should hold on to him.

 

[bweiser]

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

Maybe not top 5, but definitely top 10, which is precisely why I think people should hold on to him.

wasn't charles rogers a top 5 phsyical talent at one point? how did that work out?not comparing the two, just the statement of 'top 5 talent.' give me a less talented guy who actually produces. and, not to be a total jackass, but if he's got so much talent, why has it taken so long for him to develop?

 

[Bayhawks]

VJax seemed to show a little frustration this past weekend when after a catch he tried to kick the ball to the ref.

I don't have the number in front of me (suscriber info) but he gets a lot of red zone looks which is enough for me to leave him in.

He doesn't get a ton of red zone looks (offhand, I doubt he's in the top 10 in targets in the red zone), but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has.

I'm not sold.Rice: 79 targets/ 59 catches 964 yards. YPC 17.2 He catches everything he doesn't drop balls. The only receivers with more yards Moss and Wayne.

Vjax: 77 targets/49 catches 815 yards. YPC 16.6

I highlighted the relevant portion of my post. The red zone comparison between the two is as follows:VJax: 9 targets, 7 catches, 6 first downs, 6 TDs, 8.0 yards per target.

Rice: 12 targets, 7 catches, 4 first downs, 2 TDs, 4.5 yards per target.

Also, looking it up, VJax is 34th in the league in red zone targets. That's criminal.

I responded to " but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has."Explain why Rice has more catches and with the same targets? Rice has a higher YPC. SSOG, you watch a lot of games and and I respect you but on this I feel you are wrong. There are the top 4 receivers and everyone else. Vjax is not in the top 5. I'll take a receiver who fights for the ball like Fitzgerald over VJax all day. That receiver is Rice. You can have the speed.

I believe SSOG was referring to VJax doing more with his red zone looks than other WRs.

 

[treat88]

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

Maybe not top 5, but definitely top 10, which is precisely why I think people should hold on to him.

wasn't charles rogers a top 5 phsyical talent at one point? how did that work out?not comparing the two, just the statement of 'top 5 talent.' give me a less talented guy who actually produces. and, not to be a total jackass, but if he's got so much talent, why has it taken so long for him to develop?

Yeah, top talent can bust if paired with a high knucklehead factor. No doubt.Guy came out of Northern Colorado. Not exactly top tier competition. Takes awhile to become a professional WR.What more can you ask for out of a FF WR than to have elite physical skills and an elite QB throwing to him. That's the recipe for FF production.I get it's been a slow stretch for him, but he's got a better opportunity for a big game any given weekend than any WR's not named Moss, Fitzgerald, or Johnson.

 

[Bayhawks]

I get it's been a slow stretch for him, but he's got a better opportunity for a big game any given weekend than any WR's not named Moss, Fitzgerald, or Johnson.

Wayne?

 

[treat88]

I get it's been a slow stretch for him, but he's got a better opportunity for a big game any given weekend than any WR's not named Moss, Fitzgerald, or Johnson.

Wayne?

Sure. He can be listed with that group if you like.Point being there are very few other WR's that have the week in week out potential Jackson does of producing like a true FF WR1.

 

[FavreCo]

He's drawing #1 AND double coverage now. It's that simple.

that's such a copout. you don't think that applies to larry fitzgerald, reggie wayne, randy moss, andre johnson and others? yet none of those guys have been shut down like jackson has the last 3 games. i said it in another thread and i will say it here. 2 of his 5 targets last week came on bombs. he didn't catch either. and he isn't going to catch those regularly - at least no more than 50 percent of the time. if he catches the TD pass - which he didn't drop so much as he was covered and couldn't bring it in - he has a good game. not a great game.

He's not in their league.

yeah, but people are trying to pimp him as no. 5. and i don't think he's there yet.

He does have a great situation. Now with Gates going off, teams will have to adjust for Gates again. As far as NFL talent, he's possibly top 10.Right now if I had the luxury of taking any WR it's

Andre Johnson

Fitz

Moss

Calvin Johnson

Steve Smith

Reggie Wayne

Brandon Marshall

Marques Colston

all before Jackson.

and he's a toss up with Greg Jennings, Roddy White and a few others. I'd like to see Calvin Johnson on that team....or any team that has talent around him.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I get it's been a slow stretch for him, but he's got a better opportunity for a big game any given weekend than any WR's not named Moss, Fitzgerald, or Johnson.

Wayne?

Sure. He can be listed with that group if you like.Point being there are very few other WR's that have the week in week out potential Jackson does of producing like a true FF WR1.

Nope. Jackson in is that huge tier of "also very good WR's". You can't tell me he's better on any given Sunday than Roddy White, Calvin, Welker, Rice, Jennings, DeSean. And before you pick out the ONE name on that list you find least defensible and pick it apart - please try to keep the list as a whole in mind. Jackson is a very good WR. But those that propping him up as the cream of tier two are missing the boat badly.

 

[treat88]

I get it's been a slow stretch for him, but he's got a better opportunity for a big game any given weekend than any WR's not named Moss, Fitzgerald, or Johnson.

Wayne?

Sure. He can be listed with that group if you like.Point being there are very few other WR's that have the week in week out potential Jackson does of producing like a true FF WR1.

Nope. Jackson in is that huge tier of "also very good WR's". You can't tell me he's better on any given Sunday than Roddy White, Calvin, Welker, Rice, Jennings, DeSean. And before you pick out the ONE name on that list you find least defensible and pick it apart - please try to keep the list as a whole in mind. Jackson is a very good WR. But those that propping him up as the cream of tier two are missing the boat badly.

Wow. I really didn't get into this thread to come across as pimping jackson.Maybe we have a different definition of very few. You mentioned 6, and above 4 or 5 more have been mentioned.

So he's in the top 12 WR's or so in the NFL in terms of likelihood to produce solid FF numbers any given weekend.

Out of the entire population of NFL WR's that counts as a "very few" to me. Relatively elite. If you want to call that a "huge" tier that's fine, it's just semantics.

Of the 6 you mentioned, for dynasty league purposes I would take Jackson before any of the others, but that's just my preference.

At the end of the day he's a very good WR with a very good QB throwing him the ball. I don't think anyone is missing the boat badly here.

 

[metoo]

Rice: 79 targets/ 59 catches 964 yards. YPC 17.2 He catches everything he doesn't drop balls. The only receivers with more yards Moss and Wayne.

Vjax: 77 targets/49 catches 815 yards. YPC 16.

I responded to " but no WR in the entire NFL has done more with his looks than VJax has."

Explain why Rice has more catches and with the same targets? Rice has a higher YPC. SSOG, you watch a lot of games and and I respect you but on this I feel you are wrong. There are the top 4 receivers and everyone else. Vjax is not in the top 5. I'll take a receiver who fights for the ball like Fitzgerald over VJax all day. That receiver is Rice. You can have the speed.

I believe SSOG was referring to VJax doing more with his red zone looks than other WRs.

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice.

 

[metoo]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

 

[metoo]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

Looks like the Amen Boys are waiting on SSOG.

 

[DoubleG]

Not a SD homer but I will add my two cents.

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

I know he hasn't produced recently, but that is the nature of the position in part. WR's all see their share of ups and down, even in stretches over the course of any season.

The lack of production in part has also been a product of context. They lit up the broncos and the Chiefs and didn't have to look to the passing game to carry them.

Cleveland has some of the same potential for SD to just blow them out early.

That said, VJax is one of those WR's that, barring serious injury, would never see my bench regardless of match-up.

I would start him every week with optimism.

go ahead and look for another top 5-10 WR who has gone through THREE games in a ROW like this. you won't. which is why he isn't top 5.

So Jackson has 7 receptions for 93 yards over his last 3.In 2006 Andre Johnson went 11 for 88 between weeks 14 and 16

In 2007 Marques Colston went 9 for 77 1TD between weeks 4 and 6

In 2008 Reggie Wayne went 10 for 118 between weeks 6 and 8

Steve Smith went 10 for 94 between weeks 7 and 9

Terrell Owens went 8 for 134 1 TD between weeks 5 and 7

I will grant you none of these lines is quite as poor as Jackson's stretch this season but none are dramatically different either.

Even elite talents go through non-productive stretches. Particularly at the WR position. (This was just a quick non-exhaustive search. I am sure other comps can be found.)

You can stay in '09 for some pretty close comparables:Colston weeks 9-11 (8 total catches for 136 total yards and 0 TDs)

R. White weeks 9-11 (14 total catches for 170 total yards and 0 TDs)

 

[Bayhawks]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

Looks like the Amen Boys are waiting on SSOG.

I'm not sure what you mean by Amen Boys. I was just clarifying what appeared to be a misconception about the meaning of SSOG's post. For the record, I don't think VJax is top 5 (although I do believe he belongs in the top 10).

 

[metoo]

Not a SD homer but I will add my two cents.

VJax is a top 5 physical talent at his position with an upper echelon QB driving his offense.

I know he hasn't produced recently, but that is the nature of the position in part. WR's all see their share of ups and down, even in stretches over the course of any season.

The lack of production in part has also been a product of context. They lit up the broncos and the Chiefs and didn't have to look to the passing game to carry them.

Cleveland has some of the same potential for SD to just blow them out early.

That said, VJax is one of those WR's that, barring serious injury, would never see my bench regardless of match-up.

I would start him every week with optimism.

go ahead and look for another top 5-10 WR who has gone through THREE games in a ROW like this. you won't. which is why he isn't top 5.

So Jackson has 7 receptions for 93 yards over his last 3.In 2006 Andre Johnson went 11 for 88 between weeks 14 and 16

In 2007 Marques Colston went 9 for 77 1TD between weeks 4 and 6

In 2008 Reggie Wayne went 10 for 118 between weeks 6 and 8

Steve Smith went 10 for 94 between weeks 7 and 9

Terrell Owens went 8 for 134 1 TD between weeks 5 and 7

I will grant you none of these lines is quite as poor as Jackson's stretch this season but none are dramatically different either.

Even elite talents go through non-productive stretches. Particularly at the WR position. (This was just a quick non-exhaustive search. I am sure other comps can be found.)

You can stay in '09 for some pretty close comparables:Colston weeks 9-11 (8 total catches for 136 total yards and 0 TDs)

R. White weeks 9-11 (14 total catches for 170 total yards and 0 TDs)

Top 5?

 

[metoo]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

Looks like the Amen Boys are waiting on SSOG.

I'm not sure what you mean by Amen Boys. I was just clarifying what appeared to be a misconception about the meaning of SSOG's post. For the record, I don't think VJax is top 5 (although I do believe he belongs in the top 10).

What makes him better than Rice? Same targets but Rice catches more balls/ fights for the ball more? Rice has a better YPC?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

Looks like the Amen Boys are waiting on SSOG.

I'm not sure what you mean by Amen Boys. I was just clarifying what appeared to be a misconception about the meaning of SSOG's post. For the record, I don't think VJax is top 5 (although I do believe he belongs in the top 10).

What makes him better than Rice? Same targets but Rice catches more balls/ fights for the ball more? Rice has a better YPC?

Personally, I like Rice. I'd still rank V-Jax higher though just based on his history of production... Next year Rice could prove to be a constant better WR than he's been and maybe he'll be top 10 also in most peoples eyes...Also, I think V-Jax might do better in that offense than Rice has. Just based on his ability to get open and the mismatch he poses against most defenses. Lets face it, Farve is a gunslinger (a WR's best friend) Rivers? not so much...

 

[bweiser]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

Looks like the Amen Boys are waiting on SSOG.

I'm not sure what you mean by Amen Boys. I was just clarifying what appeared to be a misconception about the meaning of SSOG's post. For the record, I don't think VJax is top 5 (although I do believe he belongs in the top 10).

What makes him better than Rice? Same targets but Rice catches more balls/ fights for the ball more? Rice has a better YPC?

the only thing i can think of is that jackson did it last year.

 

[Art_VanDalay]

VJax owner here... seriously guys for those of you that are complaining, are you even watching him play or are you just checking the boxscore? My guess is the latter. The dude has incredible physical talents and was scoring against the top corners in the league during the majority of the season. This is a great offense, good weather with sick talent. He will come back and put up big numbers maybe even this week. If you have seen him play, even last week, he just missed catching a long bomb for a TD. That one play would make all of this nonsense talk go away. If you saw Gates running wide ### open last week than you know that the gameplan was to feature him and LT. Rivers loves VJax and will always go to him, usually early.

It has been apparent that with comfortable leads they have not been going downfield lately. I would argue that he probably does better in harder, more difficult matchups because they need him more in those games. Have faith he will return with big numbers before all is said and done. Also, don't forget that Chambers was playing like a bum and he is no longer there anymore either. Floyd's emergence has had some effect because imo his game and attributes are similar to VJax and they seem to be throwing an early bomb to Floyd early every game since Chambers left too.

Go look at guys like Colsten and Roddy White this year and see how many times they have been basically irrelevant. You could start threads about either of those guys too at various points of the season this year. Stay the course. WR's are inherently inconsistent with lots of moving parts involved in having a big game (oline, QB play, CBs, etc.,). This is one of the reasons why RB's have always had more value than WRs traditionally. Deep breathes, and don't overthink it. VJax belongs in everyone's lineup.

 

[Bayhawks]

Amen Boys, he's top 5 explain why does Rice has better numbers with similar targets? Rice has more catches better YPC, but Jackson is the home run hitter.I Why he is not better than a top 20?I have seen then both play numerous games this year and Vjax is NOT a go getter like Rice a la Fitzgerald.

Looks like the Amen Boys are waiting on SSOG.

I'm not sure what you mean by Amen Boys. I was just clarifying what appeared to be a misconception about the meaning of SSOG's post. For the record, I don't think VJax is top 5 (although I do believe he belongs in the top 10).

What makes him better than Rice? Same targets but Rice catches more balls/ fights for the ball more? Rice has a better YPC?

I am not sure where I said he was better than Rice. Since you asked, though, I would have VJax ahead of Rice, merely based on that fact that VJax had a good year last year, and is improving on those numbers this year. Rice hasn't really been a top WR before this year. Maybe this year is his "break-out" year; but maybe, on the other hand, he is the beneficiary of the situation in Minny with Favre appearing to have found the fountain of youth for this year. I don't know, and that uncertainty is why I would have VJax ahead of Rice.

 

[SSOG]

yeah, but people are trying to pimp him as no. 5. and i don't think he's there yet.

If you don't think he's there yet, that's fine, but a slow 3-game stretch isn't a great reason to think that. As was pointed out, Andre Johnson had an even worse 3-game stretch a couple of years back. Randy Moss had a stretch this year where he had 8 catches for 110 yards in 3 out of 4 games... but had a 10/116/0 game sandwiched in the middle, too. Are you saying that if Moss hadn't had that big game in the middle, he wouldn't be an elite WR, either? What about Calvin Johnson's 11/113/0 stretch earlier this year? A bad stretch is a poor reason to downgrade a WR's talent.

and, not to be a total jackass, but if he's got so much talent, why has it taken so long for him to develop?

He was fantasy WR12 last year in his 4th year in the league. Is the 4th year really such a long time to wait for a breakout? The whole theory is the "3rd year WR breakout", right? Does that extra year really make such a big difference?Vincent Jackson was a fantasy WR1 in his fourth season. Reggie Wayne was first a fantasy WR1 in his 4th season. Andre Johnson wasn't a fantasy WR1 until his SIXTH season. Looking at some historical names... Marvin Harrison wasn't a fantasy WR1 until his 4th year. Joe Horn wasn't a fantasy WR1 until his 5th year. Plenty of elite WRs have taken 4 or more years to really hit their stride. Vincent Jackson really hasn't done badly at all for an unpolished WR out of Northern Colorado.

What makes him better than Rice? Same targets but Rice catches more balls/ fights for the ball more? Rice has a better YPC?

What makes him better than Rice? He's better at adjusting to the ball in flight, and he's thus far been much harder to stop in tight spaces. Jackson has also been facing tougher coverages than Rice, who benefits greatly from playing with Adrian Peterson.Besides, I don't get why you're harping on Rice as if I'm somehow down on him. I'm actually a huge Sidney Rice fan. I just like Vincent Jackson more.

 

[FantasyTrader]

This thread is getting a little silly. When the conversation starts going in circles like this, often the real answer is pick your flavor.

 

[metoo]

yeah, but people are trying to pimp him as no. 5. and i don't think he's there yet.

If you don't think he's there yet, that's fine, but a slow 3-game stretch isn't a great reason to think that. As was pointed out, Andre Johnson had an even worse 3-game stretch a couple of years back. Randy Moss had a stretch this year where he had 8 catches for 110 yards in 3 out of 4 games... but had a 10/116/0 game sandwiched in the middle, too. Are you saying that if Moss hadn't had that big game in the middle, he wouldn't be an elite WR, either? What about Calvin Johnson's 11/113/0 stretch earlier this year? A bad stretch is a poor reason to downgrade a WR's talent.

and, not to be a total jackass, but if he's got so much talent, why has it taken so long for him to develop?

He was fantasy WR12 last year in his 4th year in the league. Is the 4th year really such a long time to wait for a breakout? The whole theory is the "3rd year WR breakout", right? Does that extra year really make such a big difference?Vincent Jackson was a fantasy WR1 in his fourth season. Reggie Wayne was first a fantasy WR1 in his 4th season. Andre Johnson wasn't a fantasy WR1 until his SIXTH season. Looking at some historical names... Marvin Harrison wasn't a fantasy WR1 until his 4th year. Joe Horn wasn't a fantasy WR1 until his 5th year. Plenty of elite WRs have taken 4 or more years to really hit their stride. Vincent Jackson really hasn't done badly at all for an unpolished WR out of Northern Colorado.

What makes him better than Rice? Same targets but Rice catches more balls/ fights for the ball more? Rice has a better YPC?

What makes him better than Rice? He's better at adjusting to the ball in flight, and he's thus far been much harder to stop in tight spaces. Jackson has also been facing tougher coverages than Rice, who benefits greatly from playing with Adrian Peterson.Besides, I don't get why you're harping on Rice as if I'm somehow down on him. I'm actually a huge Sidney Rice fan. I just like Vincent Jackson more.

So he's not top 5, like I thought. Move along.

 

[SSOG]

So he's not top 5, like I thought. Move along.

Who, VJax? I've got VJax in my dynasty top 5. In fact, I posted on November 1st that I was bumping him up to WR4 in dynasty.