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Vinny Cerrato's Future (1 Viewer)
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Yes.
The Redskins talent level isnt as bad as people make it out to be. The OL is a mess. But if you want to knock them for signings like Archuleta, then you need to give them credit for guys like London Fletcher.
The bottomline for the Redskins is selling tickets and jerseys. Their formula for the most part has worked with Cerrato and Snyder calling the shots. Snyder is essentially a glorified fan, so when he makes a move it generally goes over well with the fan base.
There will be a new coach in place to make the team competitive. They'll be a perennial 8-9 win team.
The Redskins talent level isnt as bad as people make it out to be. The OL is a mess. But if you want to knock them for signings like Archuleta, then you need to give them credit for guys like London Fletcher.
The bottomline for the Redskins is selling tickets and jerseys. Their formula for the most part has worked with Cerrato and Snyder calling the shots. Snyder is essentially a glorified fan, so when he makes a move it generally goes over well with the fan base.
There will be a new coach in place to make the team competitive. They'll be a perennial 8-9 win team.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
The problem with this is that the fans have finally started to voice (loudly) their displeasure at moves made just to sell tickets and jerseys. Hopefully, when Snyderatto's moves stop selling tickets and jerseys, someone might consider actually trying to field a football team instead of a marketing vehicle.
When they win 8 or 9 games next year with a new coach, everyone will be back on the bandwagon. This team has enough talent to win 8-10 games. Zorn is the biggest issue right now.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I don't know if you're a 'Skins fan or if you live in the D.C. area, but the fans are done with mediocrity, and it doesn't really matter who is to blame. Ticket sales are already getting hit (the team resorted weeks ago to offering free tickets to this seasons remaining games if you buy season tickets for next year) and more and more stories are coming out about the joke that is the 'Skins front office (Schottenheimer had some just the other day). There is no margin for error with the fans anymore. The diehards that are still bothering to care about this team remember the glory years of the Gibbs 1.0 and even George Allen. 3 playoff games in a decade is simply unacceptable anymore.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I voted 'yes' but not because I think he should be retained. The best thing Marty Schottenheimer did in DC was firing this clown. Unfortunately Snyder brought him back as soon as he ran Marty out of town. For some reason Snyder loves him and can't see that he is the constant to all of the mediocrity.
Live in DC. Hate the Skins.Fans arent done with mediocrity. The team isnt' mediocre. Its bad. They were mediocre when Gibbs was around, and the fans took it hook line and sinker. Give them a flashy coach and a new QB and the fans will be right back.I don't know if you're a 'Skins fan or if you live in the D.C. area, but the fans are done with mediocrity, and it doesn't really matter who is to blame. Ticket sales are already getting hit (the team resorted weeks ago to offering free tickets to this seasons remaining games if you buy season tickets for next year) and more and more stories are coming out about the joke that is the 'Skins front office (Schottenheimer had some just the other day). There is no margin for error with the fans anymore. The diehards that are still bothering to care about this team remember the glory years of the Gibbs 1.0 and even George Allen. 3 playoff games in a decade is simply unacceptable anymore.
Two cents:1. Cerrato is horrible. He should be fired. For year's he's ignored the OL and that's the biggest reason the team blows. 2. Snyder will not fire him and it's not because Cerrato is good. It's because he let's Snyder play FFL with the team.3. It's ok for the fans to be upset with the team and also be ready to be excited for and root for the team. I live in the D.C. area and am a live long Skins fan. I am really, really disgusted by how it's been mismanaged. But guess what, I still root for them? Why, because I'm a FAN. Just because you want to root for a team and support them doesn't mean you are stupid. Ironically, I think people who live in D.C. and hate the skins but root for the Saints or some other winning team are a dime a dozen. Here's a typical conversation around here. "I'm a Saints fan. Always have been." "Oh are you from New Orleans." "No, Alexandria, VA." For my money, I'll take the life long, loyal fans over the bandwagon jumper any day of the week. It's fine to criticize the horrid Redskins coaching and management (it truly is disgusting) but I don't blame fans for being loyal...that's a good trait.M
Not sure if point 3 was directed toward me. I live in DC, raised in Boca Raton Fl. I'm a Dolphins fan.I hate the Skins because for the past 5 seasons its been obvious how bad they are, yet every year I get swamped with the same empty hype the fans buy into. In regards to the OL, there are plenty of teams with just as poor OLs, who still produce wins. The Skins biggest problem is their head coach. Fassell should have been hired, but the fans wouldn't allow it. When it comes down to it, Snyder does what the fans want 90% of the time. Two offseasons ago, no fans were #####ing about the OL, they were #####ing about the DL.
Far more often than any fan wants to admit, the team's success is mirrored by the quarterback's.
Campbell is just nothing. He's no 4k yard guy, he's no 2 minute drill guy, he's not even clutch on key 3rd downs.
Cerrato and Co. may have built a good team around him but it doesn't matter. Portis has run very well in games they lost far too often. An NFL team shouldn't need a better QB to win when the D plays solid and the RB gets 150ish yards.
I'd like to think alot of QBs could win with that going for them.
Campbell is just nothing. He's no 4k yard guy, he's no 2 minute drill guy, he's not even clutch on key 3rd downs.
Cerrato and Co. may have built a good team around him but it doesn't matter. Portis has run very well in games they lost far too often. An NFL team shouldn't need a better QB to win when the D plays solid and the RB gets 150ish yards.
I'd like to think alot of QBs could win with that going for them.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
I can only hope that his future involves clown shoes and falling pianos.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
We'll have to agree to disagree then.I don't know one fan that is happy with this past decade of the Redskin's history and/or wants to continue the trends into the next decade. I don't know one fan who doesn't put the blame for any mediocrity and outright failures squarely on Cerrato/Snyder.The fans want the success of the '80's back. The fans know (or at least, very strongly believe) that will never happen with Cerrato at the head of personnel moves and Snyder sticking his nose into everything.The bandwagoners have been burnt one too many times now. I don't believe the stadium seats will fill with bandwagoners just because a new coach is in town. Not after this season. It will take proven, on-field improvement to bring back lost bandwagoners in any significant amounts.
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Doesn't matter if they are happy or not. The question is, will they buy tickets and jerseys? You guys will get someone like Charlie Weiss, draft a QB like Claussen and people will be drinking the kool aid once again.
Happens like clockwork every time.
Not directed at you personally dude...I'm just taking up for the loyal fans. The implication in a lot of these posts is that the fans are stupid and will just be duped by whatever Snyder says. What I am telling you is that the fans KNOW that the team sucks, but they are loyal and support them anyway. That's what many folks don't get...they think they know that the Redskins suck and their own fans don't know it. The reality is, the fans know it and still root for the team because they are loyal.In terms of the hype, yeah that's annoying. But if you live in D.C. you are going to hear about the Skins. I'll bet if I lived in Miami, I would kind of expect to hear more about the Dolphins than the Skins...but I don't know that obviously.M
fatness
Footballguy
Both of these points are true. Cerrato had done a bad job as GM and should be fired based on (lack of ) merit but he won't be for the reason MikeApf cited --- he lets Snyder do what he wants with players, tells him what he wants to hear. Right now the Redskins have a guy returning punts who is just plain bad at it and has been for a couple years, Antwaan Randle El. The coach decided to replace him as returner. But wait, it says in his contract that one of his duties is returning punts, so the front office asked him to take a midseason pay cut since he wouldn't be doing it. The player naturally refused so there he is, returning punts, even though the coach and everyone else knows he shouldn't be. The coach was overruled. "That's part of his contract" according to the front office. Front office = Cerrato and Snyder.Here's a Thom Loverro article on the subject from the DC area.
Cerrato should be replaced due to job performance. But the person the owner listens most to is Cerrato, because the owner wants to meddle and run the team, and Cerrato helps him do that. He's doing a bad job, but he's doing what he was hired to do.
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