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Vishante Shincoe to play for Shockey (1 Viewer)
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Islander
Footballguy
I don't think replacing a good TE by a backup TE has the same result as when a great RB behind a great O-Line is replaced by a backup RB. Many times the RB will do well and that's mostly due to the O-Line. For TEs it's not the same at all. Even if it rains, I would not start Shiancoe ahead of TEs like Cooley, H Miller, McMichael, Wiggins, J Stevens, LJ Smith, etc.
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I'm excited to see him. When he was drafted, he was all the talk in NY and how the Giants got the steal of the draft. Well that was about it for him, ya never really hear about him. Real curious, something to watch in week 17.BTW I think there's an A in his name Shiancoe
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
He's a flyer for sure, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him put up some numbers this week.Shiancoe has ridiculous measurables, and he hasn't looked bad at all when he's been in there.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I don't think he was drafted to block exclusively - he was definitely touted as a potential receiving threat. As to whether he has done anything with that potential, it's hard to say when he plays behind Shockey.
lefteye
Footballguy
I don't know what Giants offense your watching, the team that I watch week in and week out, their offense goes thru Tiki Barber. Plax is the 2nd option. Shockey is the 3rd option and he's been injured the last 4 weeks. Furthermore, Shiancoe has stone hands. IMHO, this is the worst call ever.
I hope I'm wrong and have to eat my words. Nothing would make me happier than the Gmen lighting up Kerry Collins and the raiders to get a playoff home game.
please reread what I wrote. I didn't emphatically say Visanthe would be great this week or anything. It could happen and spoke about opportunity, that's all. As far as I know, the guy started once and then Rivers took over. He had but one catch IIRC.Opportunity is so key in FF, I believe the original post said something like no wwwwwayyy this will happen or somesuch. I didn't think it was THAT far fetched is all.
I think top 5 is realistic this week. 1/The Giants have thrown quite a bit to the te this year 2/ When Shockey came out of the game in the second half last week he had 40 yds on 4 catches. 3/ The game is going to be played in bad weather conditions which would take away P.Burress and the long game. I look for a ton of passes underneath and Tiki Barber to carry the load.I might as well play him over Dallas clarkat least he has a chance to play the whole game
Passing game first option might be WR 1, next WR 2, next TE, next RB etc. A QB's "checkdowns"G-men have been using Shockey as the first option since sometime in preseason. As I mentioned, they've said it several times during games this year. Basically every team's DB plays off of Plaxico which also gives them an extra step toward stopping the run+makes it harder to block. Hufnagel's O has been called "East coast offense" and yeah that phrase is annoying. Anyhow, he, Gilbride, and Coughlin all believe in the deep game. Hufnagel's O(IIRC) has been honed under Weis and Tom Moore of Indy. I believe years ago when Harrison really didn't have a #2 WR the Colts just sent the TE on quick deep routes. From what I've read, his philosophy is rooted in that style O. Anyhow then it gets complicated and a bit more confusing, or just hard for me to explain
.Simply put, most teams don't have the athletes to cover all 4 Giant weapons(Plax, Tiki, Shockey, Amani) the second a team doubles Shockey someone else has a mismatch. So they just send Shockey on a deep(deeper than most teams TEs do) curl and however the D reacts, that tells Eli where to go. Again, simplest explanation
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
How did you come to this conclusion?http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/shiancoe_vishante
"ANALYSIS
Positives: Well-built with long arms and large hands … Uses his leg drive to defeat the jam coming off the line of scrimmage … Has ideal deep acceleration to get into the secondary quickly … Solid at running patterns and very effective on the option pass, showing the burst needed to escape the linebackers after the catch … Sees the ball well, doing a nice job of tracking the ball in over his shoulders … Makes proper adjustments on the ball, displaying above-average leaping ability and body control to compete with the defender for the ball at its high point … Has soft hands, extending properly to pluck and snatch away from the body's frame … Has the hip swerve to elude and the power to break arm tackles.
Negatives: Marginal blocker who seems to hesitate when asked to fire off the line to neutralize the linebackers with a cut block … Can be driven back into the pocket by larger defenders … Does not get his arms up with effective pop and explosion when trying to sustain … More of a short-yardage route-runner, as he needs to refine his cuts and does a poor job using his body to keep the defenders away from the ball (needs to secure it better before heading upfield) … Shows good hand placement, but still lets the defender get into his chest too quickly to redirect him.
CAREER NOTES
Emerging talent who came into his own as a junior after seeing limited action during his first two years with the Bears … Finished his career with 52 receptions for 1,001 yards (19.3 avg.) and 11 touchdowns while appearing in 30 games."
