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[Raider Nation]

Everyone's on the "Vince Can't Play" bandwagon.

Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect

By Gregg Doyel

CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

Vince Young won't make it as an NFL quarterback -- at least, not as a star NFL quarterback. And in time that is how he will be judged.

Was Young worth the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 draft? Was he a star quarterback?

And the answer will be: of course not.

Unless it's a weak year for prospects, the No. 3 overall pick in any NFL Draft should end up somewhere between the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame. If this was a weak year, so be it. Time will tell on the 2006 draft class, just as it will tell on Vince Young. And what it tells on Young, and on the team that picked him, won't be nice.

The Titans got suckered. Suckered by Young's incredible body and athletic ability and highlight reel at Texas. They got suckered so badly, they looked past Young's painfully obvious deficiency: He can't throw the ball downfield.

This being the Titans, you can't be surprised. This is the same team that got suckered by the body, athletic ability and highlight reel of West Virginia cornerback "Pacman" Jones. Despite his obvious character issues, the Titans took Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Jones has been a good player, but he's not going to last in the NFL. A bad character is a bad character, as Jones has consistently shown after 15 months with the Titans.

Hey, it's not Jones' fault. He is what he is. You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

So it is with Vince Young. It's not his fault he went No. 3 overall in the 2006 draft. Blame the Titans, but don't blame Young when his career falls far short of his draft placement. Young has worked hard and stayed out of trouble, and will continue to do so. He's a high-character leader but not, sad to say, a high-caliber NFL quarterback.

Don't tell me about the 2006 Rose Bowl. Don't tell me what Young did to Southern California. I watched him roll up 467 yards of offense against the Trojans, but what does that have to do with the NFL? If college football had anything to do with the NFL, 1996 Heisman winner and national champion Danny Wuerffel of Florida would be 30,000 yards into his Hall of Fame career instead of doing ... whatever it is he's doing.

Young did to Southern Cal what he did to everyone in college. He ran past slower defenders, ran over smaller defenders and, when he had to, he threw the ball. But he didn't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback. He threw the ball short -- here or there. Benefited by his supernatural running ability, Young had an open field and gifted receivers working one-on-one against a defense that couldn't afford to give Young's arm as much attention as it gave his legs. Sometimes his receivers took those short passes and turned them into big gains. That's how he threw for 267 yards while running for 200.

What's strange, and what gives me pause, is that the Titans have one of the best offensive minds in football in coordinator Norm Chow. He's the reason BYU was the most explosive team in college football for years. He's the reason North Carolina State was once so promising. He's not the reason USC became the new Miami, but he's on the short list. Chow is for real. He knows offense like "Pacman" Jones knows trouble.

And Chow helped draft Young? That troubles me. Then again ...

Multiple reports have declared that Chow and Titans coach Jeff Fisher preferred USC's Matt Leinart over Young. The guy who wanted Young, Titans GM Floyd Reese, is the same knucklehead who picked Jones in 2005. Chow and Fisher probably feel better, too, now that they've acquired veteran mediocrity in Collins. Reports out of Nashville say the Collins signing was a reaction to starter Billy Volek's general inexperience and specific so-so exhibition showings. The Associated Press story went so far as to note that, "The only quarterback not affected by (Collins') signing is Young."

Right.

Look, the Titans signed Collins for a number of reasons. Volek is one. Young is another. Young has been the Titans' backup, but by now Fisher and Chow realize Young can't play if Volek gets hurt. If Collins doesn't beat out Volek, he will be the new backup, regardless of what the depth chart says. Now do you see how this affects Vince Young?

This sort of thing happens in all sports. Great college players from great programs are routinely unable to make the adjustment to professional ball. Record-setting slugger Jeff Ledbetter of Florida State couldn't hit with a wooden bat. National Player of the Year Ed O'Bannon of UCLA wasn't skilled enough for the NBA. And now comes Vince Young of Texas, who can't throw the ball downfield well enough to star in the NFL.

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf.

LINK

 

[Joe Bryant]

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.I liked Leaf.

That sort of killed the buzz there at the end.J

 

[joffer]

really, really bad article, and i'm no VY fan.

 

[Godsbrother]

You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Maybe Young should be a starting WR instead...

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.I liked Leaf.

That sort of killed the buzz there at the end.J

True, but at least he admitted it in a "What the heck do I know?" sort of way. Seems like there are too many columnists out there who think they know everything and are willing to take every opoortunity to let you know that they know everything.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Wait, Vince Young pooped in somebody's kitchen? What's going on here?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.I liked Leaf.

That sort of killed the buzz there at the end.J

Seems like there are too many posters here who think they know everything and are willing to take every opoortunity to let you know that they know everything.

LHUCKS

 

[enfuego]

Forget that I am a Titan and VY fan....

the article is PURE DRIVEL.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.I liked Leaf.

That sort of killed the buzz there at the end.J

True, but at least he admitted it in a "What the heck do I know?" sort of way. Seems like there are too many columnists out there who think they know everything and are willing to take every opoortunity to let you know that they know everything.

There's far too many people who have this attitude. The bottom line is none of us are psycic so nobody "knows" how any of this sports stuff will pan out, but many people sure act like it. I get enjoyment out of readings where the writer gives their opinions and admits they could quite possibly be way off base. That said, I didn't make it too far into this article, because I think he is way off base.

 

[imeimex]

Maybe Young should be a starting WR instead...

According to Theismann he is too tall for that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.I liked Leaf.

That sort of killed the buzz there at the end.J

True, but at least he admitted it in a "What the heck do I know?" sort of way. Seems like there are too many columnists out there who think they know everything and are willing to take every opoortunity to let you know that they know everything.

That said, I didn't make it too far into this article, because I think he is way off base.

You can't possibly be shocked if it takes him closer to a Steve McNair timeframe than an Eli Manning timeframe to become a viable starter in the NFL.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Everyone's on the "Vince Can't Play" bandwagon.

Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect

By Gregg Doyel

CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

Vince Young won't make it as an NFL quarterback -- at least, not as a star NFL quarterback. And in time that is how he will be judged.

Was Young worth the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 draft? Was he a star quarterback?

And the answer will be: of course not.

Unless it's a weak year for prospects, the No. 3 overall pick in any NFL Draft should end up somewhere between the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame. If this was a weak year, so be it. Time will tell on the 2006 draft class, just as it will tell on Vince Young. And what it tells on Young, and on the team that picked him, won't be nice.

The Titans got suckered. Suckered by Young's incredible body and athletic ability and highlight reel at Texas. They got suckered so badly, they looked past Young's painfully obvious deficiency: He can't throw the ball downfield.

This being the Titans, you can't be surprised. This is the same team that got suckered by the body, athletic ability and highlight reel of West Virginia cornerback "Pacman" Jones. Despite his obvious character issues, the Titans took Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Jones has been a good player, but he's not going to last in the NFL. A bad character is a bad character, as Jones has consistently shown after 15 months with the Titans.

Hey, it's not Jones' fault. He is what he is. You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

So it is with Vince Young. It's not his fault he went No. 3 overall in the 2006 draft. Blame the Titans, but don't blame Young when his career falls far short of his draft placement. Young has worked hard and stayed out of trouble, and will continue to do so. He's a high-character leader but not, sad to say, a high-caliber NFL quarterback.

Don't tell me about the 2006 Rose Bowl. Don't tell me what Young did to Southern California. I watched him roll up 467 yards of offense against the Trojans, but what does that have to do with the NFL? If college football had anything to do with the NFL, 1996 Heisman winner and national champion Danny Wuerffel of Florida would be 30,000 yards into his Hall of Fame career instead of doing ... whatever it is he's doing.

Young did to Southern Cal what he did to everyone in college. He ran past slower defenders, ran over smaller defenders and, when he had to, he threw the ball. But he didn't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback. He threw the ball short -- here or there. Benefited by his supernatural running ability, Young had an open field and gifted receivers working one-on-one against a defense that couldn't afford to give Young's arm as much attention as it gave his legs. Sometimes his receivers took those short passes and turned them into big gains. That's how he threw for 267 yards while running for 200.

What's strange, and what gives me pause, is that the Titans have one of the best offensive minds in football in coordinator Norm Chow. He's the reason BYU was the most explosive team in college football for years. He's the reason North Carolina State was once so promising. He's not the reason USC became the new Miami, but he's on the short list. Chow is for real. He knows offense like "Pacman" Jones knows trouble.

And Chow helped draft Young? That troubles me. Then again ...

Multiple reports have declared that Chow and Titans coach Jeff Fisher preferred USC's Matt Leinart over Young. The guy who wanted Young, Titans GM Floyd Reese, is the same knucklehead who picked Jones in 2005. Chow and Fisher probably feel better, too, now that they've acquired veteran mediocrity in Collins. Reports out of Nashville say the Collins signing was a reaction to starter Billy Volek's general inexperience and specific so-so exhibition showings. The Associated Press story went so far as to note that, "The only quarterback not affected by (Collins') signing is Young."

Right.

Look, the Titans signed Collins for a number of reasons. Volek is one. Young is another. Young has been the Titans' backup, but by now Fisher and Chow realize Young can't play if Volek gets hurt. If Collins doesn't beat out Volek, he will be the new backup, regardless of what the depth chart says. Now do you see how this affects Vince Young?

This sort of thing happens in all sports. Great college players from great programs are routinely unable to make the adjustment to professional ball. Record-setting slugger Jeff Ledbetter of Florida State couldn't hit with a wooden bat. National Player of the Year Ed O'Bannon of UCLA wasn't skilled enough for the NBA. And now comes Vince Young of Texas, who can't throw the ball downfield well enough to star in the NFL.

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf.

LINK

Career 61.8% completion. 44 TD/28 INT. While the INT's are a little on the high side I would not say that he cannot throw the ball downfield.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Maybe Young should be a starting WR instead...

According to Theismann he is too tall for that.

 

[Warpig]

Wait, Vince Young pooped in somebody's kitchen? What's going on here?

No silly...that was Najeh Davenport...or was it Mr. Ed?

 

[JAA]

Ive said all along that VY will be a bust in the NFL

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Everyone's on the "Vince Can't Play" bandwagon.

Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect

By Gregg Doyel

CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

Vince Young won't make it as an NFL quarterback -- at least, not as a star NFL quarterback. And in time that is how he will be judged.

Was Young worth the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 draft? Was he a star quarterback?

And the answer will be: of course not.

Unless it's a weak year for prospects, the No. 3 overall pick in any NFL Draft should end up somewhere between the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame. If this was a weak year, so be it. Time will tell on the 2006 draft class, just as it will tell on Vince Young. And what it tells on Young, and on the team that picked him, won't be nice.

The Titans got suckered. Suckered by Young's incredible body and athletic ability and highlight reel at Texas. They got suckered so badly, they looked past Young's painfully obvious deficiency: He can't throw the ball downfield.

This being the Titans, you can't be surprised. This is the same team that got suckered by the body, athletic ability and highlight reel of West Virginia cornerback "Pacman" Jones. Despite his obvious character issues, the Titans took Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Jones has been a good player, but he's not going to last in the NFL. A bad character is a bad character, as Jones has consistently shown after 15 months with the Titans.

Hey, it's not Jones' fault. He is what he is. You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

So it is with Vince Young. It's not his fault he went No. 3 overall in the 2006 draft. Blame the Titans, but don't blame Young when his career falls far short of his draft placement. Young has worked hard and stayed out of trouble, and will continue to do so. He's a high-character leader but not, sad to say, a high-caliber NFL quarterback.

Don't tell me about the 2006 Rose Bowl. Don't tell me what Young did to Southern California. I watched him roll up 467 yards of offense against the Trojans, but what does that have to do with the NFL? If college football had anything to do with the NFL, 1996 Heisman winner and national champion Danny Wuerffel of Florida would be 30,000 yards into his Hall of Fame career instead of doing ... whatever it is he's doing.

Young did to Southern Cal what he did to everyone in college. He ran past slower defenders, ran over smaller defenders and, when he had to, he threw the ball. But he didn't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback. He threw the ball short -- here or there. Benefited by his supernatural running ability, Young had an open field and gifted receivers working one-on-one against a defense that couldn't afford to give Young's arm as much attention as it gave his legs. Sometimes his receivers took those short passes and turned them into big gains. That's how he threw for 267 yards while running for 200.

What's strange, and what gives me pause, is that the Titans have one of the best offensive minds in football in coordinator Norm Chow. He's the reason BYU was the most explosive team in college football for years. He's the reason North Carolina State was once so promising. He's not the reason USC became the new Miami, but he's on the short list. Chow is for real. He knows offense like "Pacman" Jones knows trouble.

And Chow helped draft Young? That troubles me. Then again ...

Multiple reports have declared that Chow and Titans coach Jeff Fisher preferred USC's Matt Leinart over Young. The guy who wanted Young, Titans GM Floyd Reese, is the same knucklehead who picked Jones in 2005. Chow and Fisher probably feel better, too, now that they've acquired veteran mediocrity in Collins. Reports out of Nashville say the Collins signing was a reaction to starter Billy Volek's general inexperience and specific so-so exhibition showings. The Associated Press story went so far as to note that, "The only quarterback not affected by (Collins') signing is Young."

Right.

Look, the Titans signed Collins for a number of reasons. Volek is one. Young is another. Young has been the Titans' backup, but by now Fisher and Chow realize Young can't play if Volek gets hurt. If Collins doesn't beat out Volek, he will be the new backup, regardless of what the depth chart says. Now do you see how this affects Vince Young?

This sort of thing happens in all sports. Great college players from great programs are routinely unable to make the adjustment to professional ball. Record-setting slugger Jeff Ledbetter of Florida State couldn't hit with a wooden bat. National Player of the Year Ed O'Bannon of UCLA wasn't skilled enough for the NBA. And now comes Vince Young of Texas, who can't throw the ball downfield well enough to star in the NFL.

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf.

LINK

Career 61.8% completion. 44 TD/28 INT. While the INT's are a little on the high side I would not say that he cannot throw the ball downfield.

How are any of those stats an indication that he can throw the ball down the field?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Having the 3rd best YPA (iirc, better than Leinart and Cutler) in the country means either a whole lot of yards-after-catch on screen passes...

...or he can throw it downfield.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Having the 3rd best YPA (iirc, better than Leinart and Cutler) in the country means either a whole lot of yards-after-catch on screen passes...

...or he can throw it downfield.

That's a stat that might indicate he can throw the ball down the field. Thank you. Comp %, TD, and INT tell me nothing.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.I liked Leaf.

That sort of killed the buzz there at the end.J

True, but at least he admitted it in a "What the heck do I know?" sort of way. Seems like there are too many columnists out there who think they know everything and are willing to take every opoortunity to let you know that they know everything.

That said, I didn't make it too far into this article, because I think he is way off base.

You can't possibly be shocked if it takes him closer to a Steve McNair timeframe than an Eli Manning timeframe to become a viable starter in the NFL.

Nope, I definitely wouldn't.MANY QBs take that long, or longer. And, since I don't know him, and I'm not at practices when he's getting snaps, nor in the huddle, etc. I have nothing to go on as to how he is learning the QB thing. So, I personally have to just go by the law of averages. It could be a while before he develops into a solid QB, if ever. It should be fun to witness, though...

 

[Wildcat]

Ive said all along that VY will be a bust in the NFL

Well then it must be true. Closed case.

 

[gocats]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

Thats exactly when I quit reading, its not the long ball that Young is bad at, it's the intermediate routes, he can float it up and prey with the best of them, but he cant fire a ball in there like Favre. He puts way too much air on his passes.

 

[cjack]

Okay, I've not had a chance to really watch Young either in college or certainly not in the preseason. However, completion percentage and yards per attempt don't necessarily suggest an accurate downfield passing arm.

Does he have the arm strength to wing it down field? I don't know, probably. But, does he have the arm strength and accuracy to hit a receiver who has but maybe a half step on his defender with a safety coming over from the middle???

In college, his receivers probably got a ton of yards after the catch because I presume that Texas' WRs were more athletic and faster than their average competition. Also, he was also likely to wing it down field to one of these guys for the same reasons.

That doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. So, maybe this writer's way off, but I don't see where he can't question VY's downfield throwing abilility if that's become an evident weakness in NFL preseason and camp.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm curious what Titans homers can tell me about the Floyd Reese part of the article.

Is he really perceived by locals as the village idiot, as the piece suggests?

 

[None_More_Black]

Vince Young may develop into a good nfl qb but the collins signing definatly is an indication that he is raw. The coaching staff knows that they are not going to the playoffs and they don't even want the guy to be their #2 this year. I don't think the problem is Young's ability, just that he did not run a pro style offense in college. He was having problems taking snaps under center in camp. Always in the shotgun in college so the nfl game will seem twice as fast. (alex smith) He has got to get those basics down pat (and feel comfortable) before he can use his ability to make plays. Should be interesting.

 

[pricklypete]

Ive said all along that VY will be a bust in the NFL

And this article proves that assumption?

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm curious what Titans homers can tell me about the Floyd Reese part of the article.Is he really perceived by locals as the village idiot, as the piece suggests?

village idiot - yes. He has done some good things, and to be fair, Jeff Diamond screwed things up enough that Floyd has been playing with a loaded deck for a few years. But his time has come and gone in Nashville.

 

[Peep It Yo!]

Everyone's on the "Vince Can't Play" bandwagon.

Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect

By Gregg Doyel

CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

Vince Young won't make it as an NFL quarterback -- at least, not as a star NFL quarterback. And in time that is how he will be judged.

Was Young worth the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 draft? Was he a star quarterback?

And the answer will be: of course not.

Unless it's a weak year for prospects, the No. 3 overall pick in any NFL Draft should end up somewhere between the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame. If this was a weak year, so be it. Time will tell on the 2006 draft class, just as it will tell on Vince Young. And what it tells on Young, and on the team that picked him, won't be nice.

The Titans got suckered. Suckered by Young's incredible body and athletic ability and highlight reel at Texas. They got suckered so badly, they looked past Young's painfully obvious deficiency: He can't throw the ball downfield.

This being the Titans, you can't be surprised. This is the same team that got suckered by the body, athletic ability and highlight reel of West Virginia cornerback "Pacman" Jones. Despite his obvious character issues, the Titans took Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Jones has been a good player, but he's not going to last in the NFL. A bad character is a bad character, as Jones has consistently shown after 15 months with the Titans.

Hey, it's not Jones' fault. He is what he is. You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

So it is with Vince Young. It's not his fault he went No. 3 overall in the 2006 draft. Blame the Titans, but don't blame Young when his career falls far short of his draft placement. Young has worked hard and stayed out of trouble, and will continue to do so. He's a high-character leader but not, sad to say, a high-caliber NFL quarterback.

Don't tell me about the 2006 Rose Bowl. Don't tell me what Young did to Southern California. I watched him roll up 467 yards of offense against the Trojans, but what does that have to do with the NFL? If college football had anything to do with the NFL, 1996 Heisman winner and national champion Danny Wuerffel of Florida would be 30,000 yards into his Hall of Fame career instead of doing ... whatever it is he's doing.

Young did to Southern Cal what he did to everyone in college. He ran past slower defenders, ran over smaller defenders and, when he had to, he threw the ball. But he didn't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback. He threw the ball short -- here or there. Benefited by his supernatural running ability, Young had an open field and gifted receivers working one-on-one against a defense that couldn't afford to give Young's arm as much attention as it gave his legs. Sometimes his receivers took those short passes and turned them into big gains. That's how he threw for 267 yards while running for 200.

What's strange, and what gives me pause, is that the Titans have one of the best offensive minds in football in coordinator Norm Chow. He's the reason BYU was the most explosive team in college football for years. He's the reason North Carolina State was once so promising. He's not the reason USC became the new Miami, but he's on the short list. Chow is for real. He knows offense like "Pacman" Jones knows trouble.

And Chow helped draft Young? That troubles me. Then again ...

Multiple reports have declared that Chow and Titans coach Jeff Fisher preferred USC's Matt Leinart over Young. The guy who wanted Young, Titans GM Floyd Reese, is the same knucklehead who picked Jones in 2005. Chow and Fisher probably feel better, too, now that they've acquired veteran mediocrity in Collins. Reports out of Nashville say the Collins signing was a reaction to starter Billy Volek's general inexperience and specific so-so exhibition showings. The Associated Press story went so far as to note that, "The only quarterback not affected by (Collins') signing is Young."

Right.

Look, the Titans signed Collins for a number of reasons. Volek is one. Young is another. Young has been the Titans' backup, but by now Fisher and Chow realize Young can't play if Volek gets hurt. If Collins doesn't beat out Volek, he will be the new backup, regardless of what the depth chart says. Now do you see how this affects Vince Young?

This sort of thing happens in all sports. Great college players from great programs are routinely unable to make the adjustment to professional ball. Record-setting slugger Jeff Ledbetter of Florida State couldn't hit with a wooden bat. National Player of the Year Ed O'Bannon of UCLA wasn't skilled enough for the NBA. And now comes Vince Young of Texas, who can't throw the ball downfield well enough to star in the NFL.

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf.

LINK

Career 61.8% completion. 44 TD/28 INT. While the INT's are a little on the high side I would not say that he cannot throw the ball downfield.

Against "quality" opponents. VY will not be a good pro. Sure, he is incredibly gifted and can run very well, but he has no accuracy and that will kill him in the pro game.

 

[IM666]

OK, it has been a long day at work so far, and my brain is out of coffee, so this maybe a stupid post...then again, that is not unusual for me regardless of the situation.

Didn't this guy just describe Michael Vick? Great running ability, short passes and such. I'm not saying whether that is good or bad. It just seems the run first throw later offense has been done before.

 

[Warpig]

Against "quality" opponents. VY will not be a good pro. Sure, he is incredibly gifted and can run very well, but he has no accuracy and that will kill him in the pro game.

The USC defense was not a "quality" defense?Now I'm confused.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I am ASTOUNDED that people want to argue his armstrength and accuracy. Vince Young's statistics point to him being both accurate and having arm strength.

If your contention is he can't read D's and will never learn, or that he can't take the snap and drop back properly, have at it. But to argue the things that are demonstratably confirmed is an excersize in silliness.

 

[ben4titans]

I'm curious what Titans homers can tell me about the Floyd Reese part of the article.Is he really perceived by locals as the village idiot, as the piece suggests?

Reese isnt an idiot, he just hasnt had a good last 5 years. Reese is the one who put together the Titans that made the Super Bowl run and several playoff years. Supposedly Reese and Fisher arent getting along. Of course Reese has given Fisher a crap team to coach so go figure. Bud Adams, team owner, has given Fisher ringing endorements in the past few days (which he should, Fisher is a great coach) but has pretty much left out Reese. So Reese may be on his way out. Although Adams says he 100% agreed with both VY and Pacman picks.

 

[Sheriff66]

I am ASTOUNDED that people want to argue his armstrength and accuracy. Vince Young's statistics point to him being both accurate and having arm strength.

If your contention is he can't read D's and will never learn, or that he can't take the snap and drop back properly, have at it. But to argue the things that are demonstratably confirmed is an excersize in silliness.

He is going to be like Vick IMO. Everybody that wants to sell shoes and clothes will rave how athletic and great he is, while people that know football will know he is a mediocre QB at best, if he remains healthy enough to play due to his running style....

 

[popeye]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great an average pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

fixed

 

[Alonso de Cordoba]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

Arm strength is only one of a few abilities necessary to throw the ball down the field effectively in the NFL. Some, myself included, contend that Young is lacking in those qualities, which include timing, understanding of defenses, and touch.

 

[gocats]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

Arm strength is only one of a few abilities necessary to throw the ball down the field effectively in the NFL. Some, myself included, contend that Young is lacking in those qualities, which include timing, understanding of defenses, and touch.

He has excellent touch

 

[Brasco]

One would think this columnist didn't watch any Texas games the last two seasons?! First off, as has been stated, Vince doesn't have any major issues throwing the deep ball, it had always been his intermediate pass accuracy.

Vince made huge strides with that from his Soph season to last season. While he definitely had some improvement to make there (his accuracy improved a lot), I'm sure it didn't hurt that his starting wrs matured from rFrosh to Soph's. Pittman, Sweed and Cosby definitely have talent, but they are JRs NOW, meaning they were starting as Frosh and Soph's during Vince's time at UT.

The columnist seems to insinuate that it was Vince's surrounding talent that made Vince great...when it was really more like Vince making his surrounding talent great. With that being said, its going to take Vince some time to be NFL ready. If Tenn can be patient like they were with McNair and Philly was with McNabb, then Vince can and will be a great one in the NFL. He just won't be ready as quickly as Leinart or Cutler.

 

[Alonso de Cordoba]

Vince Young's statistics point to him being accurate

His statistics are deceiving in that regard. They're inflated by the particular type of offense that he was running, and the types of throws he was asked to make. Often his senior year (I didn't watch him much prior to that), he turned down a throw that would have to be made in the NFL in favor of running for a long gain. The defenders in the NFL don't make those holes so available.Young's workouts and college play show that he's not very accurate outside of 10 yards - some would say even inside 10 yards - and against NFL coverages, with little ability to make progression reads, that spells his doom.

 

[Sheriff66]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

Arm strength is only one of a few abilities necessary to throw the ball down the field effectively in the NFL. Some, myself included, contend that Young is lacking in those qualities, which include timing, understanding of defenses, and touch.

I don't think he meant he doesn't have a nice deep ball, I think he was refering to the 10-20 yard passes...

 

[TenMidgets]

Does this mean Jay Cutler is expected to be the best pro to come out of theis QB draft class?

 

[Alonso de Cordoba]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

Arm strength is only one of a few abilities necessary to throw the ball down the field effectively in the NFL. Some, myself included, contend that Young is lacking in those qualities, which include timing, understanding of defenses, and touch.

He has excellent touch

My opinion, having watched him play and watched his workouts, is that he does not. He often floats passes in behind WRs, turning their shoulders in the wrong direction, exposing their bodies, and making YAC difficult to obtain.That's what I've observed. Your observations may differ.

 

[Gargoylez]

I am no Vince Young fan either, but I honestly think in a couple years he could be a really good QB. Better then Vick IMO. IF they take their time with him and not rush him.

Right now he is the worst QB in the top 3 picked in this years draft. In 3 years he could be known as the BEST. Thats my only dis on VY. He is the least ready of the 3 QB's in the draft to start.

LMAO he cant throw downfield...

HE is a bit on the slow side too...

hehehehehe.

 

[Alonso de Cordoba]

Does this mean Jay Cutler is expected to be the best pro to come out of theis QB draft class?

Matt Leinart has looked fantastic thus far. You've really got to feel for San Francisco, missing out on him two years ago, passing him up this year, and resting their hopes on the product of Urban Meyer's spread offense.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Vince Young's statistics point to him being accurate

His statistics are deceiving in that regard. They're inflated by the particular type of offense that he was running, and the types of throws he was asked to make. Often his senior year (I didn't watch him much prior to that), he turned down a throw that would have to be made in the NFL in favor of running for a long gain. The defenders in the NFL don't make those holes so available.Young's workouts and college play show that he's not very accurate outside of 10 yards - some would say even inside 10 yards - and against NFL coverages, with little ability to make progression reads, that spells his doom.

You saw Vince's workouts? (repeating) - His 65% completion % and 9.34 ypa show he isn't accurate outside of 10 yards? Breaking it down further:RBs - 9.89 yards per reception.WRs/TEs - 15.65 yards per reception.

 

[Rushmore]

This article kinda reminds me of that Carson Palmer "brain type article" that was written a few years ago, trying to prove why he wouldn't be a great quarterback.

 

[ben4titans]

I quit reading when he asserted that Vince can't throw downfield, which is patently false. Vince Young has plenty of things he will need to work on to be a great pro QB, but arm strength is not one of them.

Arm strength is only one of a few abilities necessary to throw the ball down the field effectively in the NFL. Some, myself included, contend that Young is lacking in those qualities, which include timing, understanding of defenses, and touch.

He has excellent touch

My opinion, having watched him play and watched his workouts, is that he does not. He often floats passes in behind WRs, turning their shoulders in the wrong direction, exposing their bodies, and making YAC difficult to obtain.That's what I've observed. Your observations may differ.

This is what I have observed at a couple of Titans practices. Of course a couple of practices a career does not make, but he was having a hard time hitting his targets moreless hitting them in stride.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I am ASTOUNDED that people want to argue his armstrength and accuracy. Vince Young's statistics point to him being both accurate and having arm strength.

If your contention is he can't read D's and will never learn, or that he can't take the snap and drop back properly, have at it. But to argue the things that are demonstratably confirmed is an excersize in silliness.

The way I read it, the argument wasn't that he doesn't have armstrength and such, it's that his running opened things up to such an extent that he's never been challenged to read a D, develop timing with WRs and anticpate breaks, and hit receivers in narrow windows, etc. So many guys were worried about his running that guys would eventually come open and he'd just find them, and they'd be open enough to run them even farther downfield. The argument was that he wasn't even facing college defenses geared toward stopping the pass, let alone NFL defenses geared toward stopping the pass.

 

[Alonso de Cordoba]

Vince Young's statistics point to him being accurate

His statistics are deceiving in that regard. They're inflated by the particular type of offense that he was running, and the types of throws he was asked to make. Often his senior year (I didn't watch him much prior to that), he turned down a throw that would have to be made in the NFL in favor of running for a long gain. The defenders in the NFL don't make those holes so available.Young's workouts and college play show that he's not very accurate outside of 10 yards - some would say even inside 10 yards - and against NFL coverages, with little ability to make progression reads, that spells his doom.

You saw Vince's workouts? (repeating) - His 65% completion % and 9.34 ypa show he isn't accurate outside of 10 yards? Breaking it down further:RBs - 9.89 yards per reception.WRs/TEs - 15.65 yards per reception.

I saw two of them. One in Austin and one in Houston.As I mentioned, I don't think his completion percentage and YPA stand as evidence of his accuracy. I consider his completion percentage to be artificially inflated by the number of times he turned down passes he'll have to make in the NFL in favor of runs, in addition to the exceptional skill of the WRs around him. Despite the particular advantage of his running game, which will be curtailed in the NFL, his completion percentage still slid in below Leinart, Brohm, Carpenter, Stanton, Whitehurst, Hodges, and a whole host of other guys.I don't think he's an accurate passer. That doesn't mean he'll fail completely in the NFL. Some inaccurate passers stayed on as QBs due to their other strengths. He does have other strengths.

 

[Alonso de Cordoba]

challenged to read a D, develop timing with WRs and anticpate breaks, and hit receivers in narrow windows

These challenges are, and will be, at the heart of Vince Young's struggles in the NFL. It's possible that he'll overcome some, or all, of them.My personal prediction is that he'll find that very difficult, as other similarly situated quarterbacks have.