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VY suspected of assault at Dallas nightclub (1 Viewer)
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nysportsfan
Footballguy
D'oh.
This situation will hurt VY, regardless of the outcome. If he is charged with or found guilty of a crime, he obviously will face discipline from the commissioner's office. But if he faces no charges, it would appear to still be a "strike" against him with regards to the commissioner's ability to fine/suspend/fine players for violating the personal conduct policy. I like the idea of having a personal conduct policy, but I feel that its rules & regulations should be more clearly spelled out, rather than granting the commissioner unspecified and unlimited power.
Is this idea based on a reaction to Big Ben situation?
massraider
Footballguy
I agree. If nothing comes from this, then it shouldn't count against him.
If it turns out he hit someone, that is serious business. But it's just as likely (more likely, IMO) that there was a fracas and Vince was in the vicinity. Doesn't mean he did a darn thing wrong.
In before the "What was he doing in a nightclub?!?!?" Mormons arrive.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Once a turd, always a turd, as far as I am concerned. I wish Vince Young all the best in his personal life and professional career! That said, I couldn't deal him away fast enough last season after his month or two stretch of playing pretty decent. He has all the physical gifts needed to have success at the NFL level, but he just doesn't seem to have the head for it. Heart? Maybe. However, his head is seemingly suspect...and QB is the last position one can afford to have that shortcoming. Going back to that mighty-fine Wonderlic score he posted before being drafted.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
calling Marc Bulger?assuming you mean Jeff Fisher?Jeff's on line 1!
Not exclusively. Goodell first suspended Adam Jones when he had never been convicted of a crime, and his recent suspension of Roethlisberger when he had never been charged with a crime increased the reach of his power to use the personal conduct policy. If he can suspend players for behavior or patterns of behavior (as he specifically mentioned when he suspended Roethlisberger), then VY being looked at as a suspect in a criminal investigation would seem to constitute a behavior, and if the situation occurred again, that would constitute a "pattern of behavior."
anakin
Footballguy
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/police-issue...-to-young-28524 Looks like an upside down hook 'em sign enraged Vince.
massraider
Footballguy
Ahh, says there that there is video, and it was an employee that got punched. Uh-Oh.............
identikit
Footballguy
Shawnky
Footballguy
his is good news for the Titans. If really lucky, they can start looking for a frachise QB in next years draft.
Right, because the Titans offense is horrible when he's on the field, and he's never been able to generate a game winning drive. Your racist shtick is old and played out. Please take it somewhere else.
massraider
Footballguy
Week 5 is the next time we will see Vince.
Geez, could that video have been any more perfect? What kinda club is that well lit? Was he in an office or the front door? Only thing we were missing was a POV cam of the guy that got smacked.
Nice to know all it takes is two fingers pointing at the floor to make VINCE SMASH!!!!
massraider
Footballguy
He's not racist. FavreCo is bearish about a lot of NFL players, and those are the only guys he posts about.his is good news for the Titans. If really lucky, they can start looking for a frachise QB in next years draft.
Right, because the Titans offense is horrible when he's on the field, and he's never been able to generate a game winning drive. Your racist shtick is old and played out. Please take it somewhere else.
massraider
Footballguy
The best thing about this story, is that there's no question what went down. No bickering and half-assed guessing.
This is gonna come off as racist, but it's not: Any place named Club Onyx is trouble waiting to happen.
This is gonna come off as racist, but it's not: Any place named Club Onyx is trouble waiting to happen.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Could have fooled me. It seems like the only players he rips on are black QBs. Too much of a trend to not notice.He's not racist. FavreCo is bearish about a lot of NFL players, and those are the only guys he posts about.his is good news for the Titans. If really lucky, they can start looking for a frachise QB in next years draft.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I've about decided after Ray Lewis, Ray Curruth, Donte Stallworth, McNair, Big Ben, Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, LT etc .... you'd THINK goig to a titty bar .... I mean you're an NFL Franchise starting QB there IS a responsibility there you know? and you go to a titty bar?
These guys are plain stupid - I mean literally they got NO intelligence and I pay to watch them play? Well, I quit watching the stupid thug NBA, years ago, and the NFL aint too far behind.
This is getting ridiculous, it really is.
These guys are plain stupid - I mean literally they got NO intelligence and I pay to watch them play? Well, I quit watching the stupid thug NBA, years ago, and the NFL aint too far behind.
This is getting ridiculous, it really is.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Strip clubs and NFL players do not mix well.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
There's got to be a reason for it. It's not because they're stupid or they have a low intelligence. I don't know what it is but I know they're people and people make mistakes.I know people get arrested every minute all over the country for drinking and driving. I know people drink and drive ALL THE TIME and just get away with it.Isn't it stupid, we know the ramifications if we get caught. We do it anyway.There's got to be something more to it all than just being dumb, something we don't fully understand not being in their shoes. Some type of huge pitfall that many of these guys can't seem to avoid finding regardless of the warning signs that may happen all around them.
loose circuits
Footballguy
the chances of Rusty Smith developing increased a little bit- big guy with a rocket arm. Collins and Simms battle for starting gig if VY is suspended?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Like in the thread about Brandon Underwood, (the Packer that was first suspected of sexual assault, now looks more like paying 2 pros who then tried to rob him and cried assault when he busted them)...its like you said as a pattern of behavior.One situation or accusation will not likely bring the hammer down. Multiple could.Bayhawks said:
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Ben Rothlisberger, Brandon Underwood and any discussion of pattens of behavior are irrelavent when you are caught throwing a punch on the 6 O'clock news. Suspension will be unavoidable in this case.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
define "stupid"here, I'll do it for you
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid
b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner
3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
It's not like he raped someone. I'm thinking he gets similar to what Bill Clinton got from congress.massraider said:
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massraider
Footballguy
No, they're just young men with money.There are tons of guys that do that stuff every single weekend, and we never hear a peep. Those players aren't the type to attack some guy for dissing his alma mater.An idiot is an idiot, being in the club doesn't make him an idiot.Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm not going to defend Vince Young but let's have some perspective people. Babe Ruth was chased down a traincar from one to another by a woman wielding a butcher's knife back in the day because he got out of line...but there weren't security cameras back then. Does it change what Young did? No, but we live in an era where these things become bigger than they should be. People in the Wild West used to shoot each other over a dirty stare. People have gotten so lightweight in what they feel is acceptable behavior. These guys are souped up on a whole bunch of stuff, under an immense amount of scrutiny so we the fans can tune in and gobble them up on Sunday, play armchair QB on Monday...enough with the grandstanding in here.
What he did to this guy does not change what he can do on the football field. Young was a winner in college, wins games in the NFL, he likely is gonna get suspended, end of story. Sleep easy everyone.
What he did to this guy does not change what he can do on the football field. Young was a winner in college, wins games in the NFL, he likely is gonna get suspended, end of story. Sleep easy everyone.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Sorry, but no.As the QB of an NFL team making millions of dollars, there's acceptable behavior and there is unacceptable behavior. This has nothing to do with judging whether or not he's a good person or how this relates to the Wild West (
, btw). He has a responsibility as the QB of the Titans. He is the LEADER of his team. Getting suspended is a big deal to that team. It's not just a "oh well, try not to do that again" moment. And putting himself in that position is just plain old stupid and irresponsible. And to those saying "they're just young men with money", again, no, they aren't. He's the leader of major NFL franchise that has lots of money invested in him. And he doesn't just have money, he has LOTS of money. If other young men with money wanna go to strip clubs, then great, go ahead. Unfortunately, VY just can't do all the things that other young men with money do, especially if he's going to make stupid decisions like he made last night. Same way Ben or Kellen shouldn't be riding motorcycles. Tough sacrifices to make.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The incident never makes the news except his name is Vincent Young. Guys fight in stripclubs all the time...blame Goodell or pontificate how great the NFL is for suspending everyone, can't have it both ways.Sorry, but no.As the QB of an NFL team making millions of dollars, there's acceptable behavior and there is unacceptable behavior. This has nothing to do with judging whether or not he's a good person or how this relates to the Wild West (
gianmarco
Footballguy
The incident never makes the news except his name is Vincent Young. Guys fight in stripclubs all the time...blame Goodell or pontificate how great the NFL is for suspending everyone, can't have it both ways.Sorry, but no.As the QB of an NFL team making millions of dollars, there's acceptable behavior and there is unacceptable behavior. This has nothing to do with judging whether or not he's a good person or how this relates to the Wild West (
And to those saying "they're just young men with money", again, no, they aren't. He's the leader of major NFL franchise that has lots of money invested in him. And he doesn't just have money, he has LOTS of money. If other young men with money wanna go to strip clubs, then great, go ahead. Unfortunately, VY just can't do all the things that other young men with money do, especially if he's going to make stupid decisions like he made last night. Same way Ben or Kellen shouldn't be riding motorcycles. Tough sacrifices to make.
What's your point? Of course it never makes the news if it's not Vince Young. That's my entire point. He's not some Joe Schmo that can have this happen and it not really be that big of a deal. He's an NFL QB. So something like this IS a big deal and he shouldn't be putting himself in that position. What on earth are you talking about that I can't have it both ways? I'm not blaming anyone but VY here. That's just how it goes for NFL players and he needs to know better. This isn't something new that Goodell is now gonna come out of nowhere and make a stand on.
If VY works at McDonald's, no one cares about this incident. But as the Titans starting QB, a LOT of people care (and should) since he's put the 2010 season in jeopardy because of an inverted UT hand sign. If that's all it takes for him, he should have never been there in the first place.
Detroit Fan 365
Footballguy
He's a scumbag any guy who hits/tries to hit a woman is a scumbag. I had a lot of respect for him helping out McNair's children, but I just lost all respect for him.
massraider
Footballguy
Listen, it's boring to discuss the abstract morality of it. no one changes their mind, and it's just the same stuff over and over.
It's a lot more interesting to speculate if a suspension is coming (how can it not?) and the affect on Britt, CJ, and the rest.
It's a lot more interesting to speculate if a suspension is coming (how can it not?) and the affect on Britt, CJ, and the rest.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Lead story/Breaking News story on CNN web page front page. Not the Sports page, but the front page.
That can't be good.
That can't be good.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
BTW, went to the Club Onyx web page. Poor web page, but apparently it is an all newd place, not just a taters place.
Friday night is Soul Food Buffet Night.
Friday night is Soul Food Buffet Night.
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massraider
Footballguy
It's really a shame.
I was completely amazed at Vince's turnaround last year. I never thought he was gonna be an NFL QB, and his rookie year, I thought TEN was doing it with mirrors. I also disliked him because of the same type of 'will to win' we are getting with Tebow.
But after being as low as a top-rated QB could be (until JaMarcus came along) and looking like a complete waste of space with a head full of crap, he really showed something last year. I was really impressed by how he played within himself last year. I doubt he'll ever be a Drew Brees back there, but I don't see why a slightly belated Randall Cunningham thing isn't possible. I found myself rooting for him after how quickly he was dismissed, and I was really interested to see how he would develop after a positive season.
Doing something like this now, I think of him as a problem WR. He can play well, but eventually, it just seems like something else will come along yo stunt his game. Seriously, how can you trust this guy with your team when an upside down hook 'em makes him start throwing haymakers?? One step forward, and two steps back with this guy.
It isn't the 4 game suspension. Teams can overcome that. The Steelers will. The concern is that with the precedent set, your next screw-up costs 8 games or so. For the Titans, that's be a loss of a season. And not all infractions are created equal. There are some that can be seen as likely a one-time affair. With Vince, I get the feeling like with Marshall, just a matter of time till the next stupid move.
The Titans need to go and Rosenfels or something. I think Vince can be a winning QB, but you have to have a solid backup.
What other vet QBs are available?
I was completely amazed at Vince's turnaround last year. I never thought he was gonna be an NFL QB, and his rookie year, I thought TEN was doing it with mirrors. I also disliked him because of the same type of 'will to win' we are getting with Tebow.
But after being as low as a top-rated QB could be (until JaMarcus came along) and looking like a complete waste of space with a head full of crap, he really showed something last year. I was really impressed by how he played within himself last year. I doubt he'll ever be a Drew Brees back there, but I don't see why a slightly belated Randall Cunningham thing isn't possible. I found myself rooting for him after how quickly he was dismissed, and I was really interested to see how he would develop after a positive season.
Doing something like this now, I think of him as a problem WR. He can play well, but eventually, it just seems like something else will come along yo stunt his game. Seriously, how can you trust this guy with your team when an upside down hook 'em makes him start throwing haymakers?? One step forward, and two steps back with this guy.
It isn't the 4 game suspension. Teams can overcome that. The Steelers will. The concern is that with the precedent set, your next screw-up costs 8 games or so. For the Titans, that's be a loss of a season. And not all infractions are created equal. There are some that can be seen as likely a one-time affair. With Vince, I get the feeling like with Marshall, just a matter of time till the next stupid move.
The Titans need to go and Rosenfels or something. I think Vince can be a winning QB, but you have to have a solid backup.
What other vet QBs are available?
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
What part of her bodily was injured?
griff321
Footballguy
What you don't think him getting into a fight over nothing in a trashy strip club when he's supposed to be 677 miles away later that night for his coach's charity softball game is more then enough proof that he will never be a franchise guy? His image is part of the job and he can't even do that right. Also do the Titans start minicamp this morning? Guys like Peyton are getting better while VY is getting in fights/drunk/stoned and that's why he will never be a winning franchise QB. I like fighting, drinking, and drugs as much as the next guy but I'm not aspiring to make millions being a franchise QB.Shawnky said:
firstseason1988
Footballguy
Hey, he isn't as dumb as some might think. He was throwing punches with his left. with his right, I would have a problem with it. :dunno:
The dude is lucky he left his gun in the car.
The dude is lucky he left his gun in the car.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed with the first. Im betting 2 given what the citation I read about was.Start looking? Sure...prior to this there was not a huge reason to after last year though.But I doubt they look too hard. Vince has been pretty darn well behaved over the past year until this incident. And Fisher, at least in the past, had a ton of patience with guys. We will see.
sho nuff
Footballguy
What woman?From every story I have read...he hit a guy.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/13/vince....dex.html?hpt=T2
"Young, 27, is accused of striking another man in the face, causing an injury to his lip, after the two got into an argument, an incident report by the Dallas Police Department said. The man did not require medical attention, according to the report."
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Clifton likes to have fun, I had to reread it again
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
I have the same sentiments about Young. As a fan I can live with the idea of the team's offensive leader hitting a gentleman's club on occasion if he knows how to behave himself, which means not getting baited into doing something stupid - like what he did this weekend. Even so, I would prefer if the quarterback of my favorite team avoided the nightlife of that persuasion. The Titans have had enough issues in the past year with a prominent (former) leader not making good choices with his social pursuits. This team plays with too much discipline and toughness to have one guy playing with its season fast and loose.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Please show me where his statement is racist? Do you have any idea what racism is? What is your problem?Shawnky said:his is good news for the Titans. If really lucky, they can start looking for a frachise QB in next years draft.
Right, because the Titans offense is horrible when he's on the field, and he's never been able to generate a game winning drive. Your racist shtick is old and played out. Please take it somewhere else.
