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VY Workout Results (1 Viewer)

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Thought we might start a thread where people can post what they have heard as far as results.

NFL.com said 4.57 40 yard dash, ESPN Radio reported a 4.49. Those are the lowest and highest I have seen.

This report was on a Texas fan website that closely covers the Longhorns:

"Vince worked out with David Thomas, Brian Carter and Ahmard Hall. He threw 57 passes, completed 55 of them. That's the number that was given out by Jerry Rhome, who has been coaching VY. A couple of others were dropped, but they felt like 55 of the 57 were good balls.

Everything was worked under center and he threw with good velocity. In talking to some people on and off the record, it's not necessarily that VY wowed everyone, but he did really impress with his arm strength and his accuracy. Overall, everyone thought it was a very good workout.

Also, VY will hold a private workout tomorrow for a number of teams, including the Texans and the Titans. "

 
At what point did anyone presume that his 40 time was key? Young is big and mobile, but I've never seen one scout or scouting report suggest he had blazing speed as an asset.

 
Jason, have you been paying attention?

Apparently not, because it went right over your head.
Oh, I think he was just ignoring that aspect of the thread... ;) Many have referred to Young as having blazing speed. His best 100M in HS is faster than Reggie Bush's best in HS. The big Vick talk, etc. This time doesn't hurt him.

To add to the funny idea that he didn't know it was timed. :lol:

The sad truth is he didn't plan on running. He is so poorly managed, it's a joke. He figured he could opt out again. He was talked into running even though he had not prepared to run. All his preparation went into the drills and throws. He needs to fire everyone managing him and hire some real pros. There's no longer any defense for his leaches.

 
Here's some video.  Vince has incredibly long strides.  I would guess he'd do a little better in a longer race like the 60 they run in college track (or the 80 yarder he ran against Ok.State  ;) ). 

http://www.statesman.com/news/mplayer/m/2909
:lmao: :lmao: How often do people run 60 yards in the NFL...... :lmao: :lmao:
Vince has a couple tmes I'm sure.... Reggie Bush
Ummm... Not in the NFL, although both may do so some season soon.I think the point here is that Vince is not a super get out of the blocks explosive sprinter, anyone that thinks that simply hasn't been watching him. But between his moves, long strides, and the speed he does have he is more than capable of breaking off some amazing runs at any level.

 
From another site:

From the mouth of Sean SalsburyYou would have thought it was Rose Bowl media day with all of the media present. I've never seen that many people at a workout. Huff was there of course, but most everyone was there to see Young.-I've never seen a college football QB throw with that kind of zip. It was bordering on unbelieveable. He threw everything and had great touch.-The ball hit the ground 5 times out of 54 passes. Two overthrows and three drops.-I gave him an A- just because I would like to see him run a bit faster.-You will have scouts down his mechanics tomorrow. Don't change him. He is a playmaker.-When his arm comes to maturity, it will be unbelievable.-His footwork was really good, but then again there was no pass rush.-He will likely go in the top 5.-When he scrambles to his left, he forces his body into the correct throwing position.-Watching him his incompletions will be over-thrown.-I'm not trying to make to big a deal out of it, but you have to call what is impressive, impressive.-The ball just jumps off of his hand. I didn't expect him to be that accurate. He really impressed me.-Texans Coach Gary Kubiak had one word after the workout "Excellent".He said to me "I wish we could have played with that kind of ability"-Saban, McCarthy ad Kubiak were there. There were some Cowboy scouts there.-If he doesn't get picked in the top 5, some teams are stupid. If you saw this workout today, and you like Leinart more, you better wait to see Leinart again on his pro day.
 
Here's some video.  Vince has incredibly long strides.  I would guess he'd do a little better in a longer race like the 60 they run in college track (or the 80 yarder he ran against Ok.State  ;) ). 

http://www.statesman.com/news/mplayer/m/2909
:lmao: :lmao: How often do people run 60 yards in the NFL...... :lmao: :lmao:
I agree, but straight line speed is not what makes Vince a special runner anyway, so you're really making a point as to why the 40 is not that important in evaluating him. Sean Salisbury was just on the radio in Dallas gushing about Vince's workout and saying he has solidified himself as a top 5 pick. Interesting.

 
He may have blown some scouts...but not all of them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news...ce=NFLHeadlines
Quarterback Vince Young was timed in 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash Wednesday on what is considered a fast track at the University of Texas in Austin, one NFL scout told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The scout said Young's time was slower than anticipated.

QB 40-yard dash times

Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M, 4.35

Marcus Vick, Va. Tech, 4.42

Brad Smith, Missouri, 4.46

D.J. Shockley, Georgia, 4.56

Barrick Nealy, Texas St., 4.57

Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo, 4.59

Ingle Martin, Furman, 4.68

Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama St., 4.75

Brett Basanez, Northwestern, 4.75

Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt, 4.77

-- Vince Young's time of 4.58 would put him in sixth place among QBs

According to the same scout, Young's overall workout was "fairly impressive," but the scout said that Young was not asked to make certain drops and throws that he would have to perform in a private team workout.

While Young completed all but five of more than 50 passes, a scout told Mortensen, "That wasn't a remarkable achievement because he wasn't asked to make many tough throws and he waited a lot on his receivers to get out of their breaks. Teams that are curious about the guy are going to want to see more when they work him out."

One of those teams is the Tennessee Titans, who will give Young a private workout on Thursday in Austin, site of Wednesday's pro workout day for Young his his Longhorn teammates.

Other teams that have scheduled private workouts include the Houston Texans and New York Jets.

Asked to compare Young's workout to one given last Friday by Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler in cold weather and swirling winds, one scout said told Mortensen, "There was no comparison. Cutler made all the throws in tough conditions while Young limited his range of throws and he was indoors."
 
From another site:

From the mouth of Sean Salsbury

You would have thought it was Rose Bowl media day with all of the media present. I've never seen that many people at a workout. Huff was there of course, but most everyone was there to see Young.

-I've never seen a college football QB throw with that kind of zip. It was bordering on unbelieveable. He threw everything and had great touch.

-The ball hit the ground 5 times out of 54 passes. Two overthrows and three drops.

-I gave him an A- just because I would like to see him run a bit faster.

-You will have scouts down his mechanics tomorrow. Don't change him. He is a playmaker.

-When his arm comes to maturity, it will be unbelievable.

-His footwork was really good, but then again there was no pass rush.

-He will likely go in the top 5.

-When he scrambles to his left, he forces his body into the correct throwing position.

-Watching him his incompletions will be over-thrown.

-I'm not trying to make to big a deal out of it, but you have to call what is impressive, impressive.

-The ball just jumps off of his hand. I didn't expect him to be that accurate. He really impressed me.

-Texans Coach Gary Kubiak had one word after the workout "Excellent".

He said to me "I wish we could have played with that kind of ability"

-Saban, McCarthy ad Kubiak were there. There were some Cowboy scouts there.

-If he doesn't get picked in the top 5, some teams are stupid. If you saw this workout today, and you like Leinart more, you better wait to see Leinart again on his pro day.
I think Salisbury is overpaid (if he makes more than 25k) to make any comments on anything. I root for Young because I was mesmorized(?) by his Rose Bowl performance. But you have to wonder if certain analyst get kickbacks for praising certain prospects. The only reason I bring that up is the fact that I have read numerous various opinions on VY.
 
How were his hands? Probably needs to work on running crisper routes, but he certainly has potential.

 
The sad truth is he didn't plan on running. He is so poorly managed, it's a joke. He figured he could opt out again. He was talked into running even though he had not prepared to run. All his preparation went into the drills and throws.
Hi Chaos,Can you expound on that being talked into running?

J

 
From another site:

From the mouth of Sean Salsbury

You would have thought it was Rose Bowl media day with all of the media present. I've never seen that many people at a workout. Huff was there of course, but most everyone was there to see Young.

-I've never seen a college football QB throw with that kind of zip. It was bordering on unbelieveable. He threw everything and had great touch.

-The ball hit the ground 5 times out of 54 passes. Two overthrows and three drops.

-I gave him an A- just because I would like to see him run a bit faster.

-You will have scouts down his mechanics tomorrow. Don't change him. He is a playmaker.

-When his arm comes to maturity, it will be unbelievable.

-His footwork was really good, but then again there was no pass rush.

-He will likely go in the top 5.

-When he scrambles to his left, he forces his body into the correct throwing position.

-Watching him his incompletions will be over-thrown.

-I'm not trying to make to big a deal out of it, but you have to call what is impressive, impressive.

-The ball just jumps off of his hand. I didn't expect him to be that accurate. He really impressed me.

-Texans Coach Gary Kubiak had one word after the workout "Excellent".

He said to me "I wish we could have played with that kind of ability"

-Saban, McCarthy ad Kubiak were there. There were some Cowboy scouts there.

-If he doesn't get picked in the top 5, some teams are stupid. If you saw this workout today, and you like Leinart more, you better wait to see Leinart again on his pro day.
I think Salisbury is overpaid (if he makes more than 25k) to make any comments on anything. I root for Young because I was mesmorized(?) by his Rose Bowl performance. But you have to wonder if certain analyst get kickbacks for praising certain prospects. The only reason I bring that up is the fact that I have read numerous various opinions on VY.
Salisbury pretty much ripped on VY all season. Now he sees him in person and is impressed. That follows the trend I've seen all along. People rip VY, then they see him play in person and are blown away.Maybe some scouts are paid to downgrade certain people.

Prolly not, but just as plausible as the reverse.

 
FWIW, I thought his footwork was pretty good on the video I saw. Excellent work getting him under center showing the different drop backs. His motion is super goofy. Good thing he's 6'5". He delivers the ball at the height of a QB 6' 2" or less. But again, at 6' 5" he'll be fine.

J

 
FWIW, I thought his footwork was pretty good on the video I saw. Excellent work getting him under center showing the different drop backs. His motion is super goofy. Good thing he's 6'5". He delivers the ball at the height of a QB 6' 2" or less. But again, at 6' 5" he'll be fine.

J
Yep. Chris Simms is almost as tall (6'4"?), has a perfect motion, and got balls batted in college at an unbelievable pace. Vince very rarely got one batted at Texas. Vince just hits the open lanes better than Simms did.
 
The sad truth is he didn't plan on running. He is so poorly managed, it's a joke. He figured he could opt out again. He was talked into running even though he had not prepared to run. All his preparation went into the drills and throws.
Hi Chaos,Can you expound on that being talked into running?

J
At the Combine Young said everyone knew he could run. So, that wasn't something teams wanted to look at. He originally planned on working out (except for running), then had a change of heart.Since the Combine he has been concentrating on the "passing show" with Jerry Rhome. He has not been working on the shuttle or the cone drill or any of that stuff. Just trying to choreograph the most impressive workout routine he could while answering all the questions about his arm. His handlers have held to the notion that he is obviously such a great runner, he didn't need to be timed. He needed to focus on the QB skill questions. For examplle, he ran every play today from under center because that is one of the questions.

So the Pro Day gets into full gear and the guys are having some fun working out. Two different stories have been told about how Young came to run the unplanned 40 today. I think they both are true. They work well together. The published story says he's teammates wanted him to run. Some good natured ribbing ensued and Young decided to go against his plan and run the 40 anyway. Scott Wright got a little different version.

From what little I have heard so far on the workout I guess Young had originally intended to not even run. Why is beyond me. When scouts found out I heard they essentially pressured him into running.
So, I think a combination of both is probably how it went down. Some of the boys say, "Come on Vince. Let's see that speed. I bet I'm faster than you anyway." Yada. Some scouts jump in and challenge him, "Yeah, come on. You're supposed to be so fast, show us what you got."So, pride takes over and this guy doesn't like not being up to the challenge and he runs with zero preparation. I'm sure had he been working with a sprint coach (like all these guys do), then he would have better time. Most of them shave about a tenth with good training and practice getting the start right.

 
I'm sure had he been working with a sprint coach (like all these guys do), then he would have better time. Most of them shave about a tenth with good training and practice getting the start right.
His continued lack of preparation has to put fear into potential teams. Even after the Wonderlic fiasco, he still doesn't prepare for the most common of tests. I can't recall a first round pick who didn't run the 40 somewhere, either at the Combine or his Pro Day, so Vince should have known he'd have to do it eventually.
 
I'm sure had he been working with a sprint coach (like all these guys do), then he would have better time. Most of them shave about a tenth with good training and practice getting the start right.
His continued lack of preparation has to put fear into potential teams. Even after the Wonderlic fiasco, he still doesn't prepare for the most common of tests. I can't recall a first round pick who didn't run the 40 somewhere, either at the Combine or his Pro Day, so Vince should have known he'd have to do it eventually.
Agreed. He's being handled by fools. I think they're leaches, and they've sold him on the notion that they're old friends who would never take advantage of him like the smarmy agents out there in the big bad world. They probably have the best of intentions, but they have cost him dearly.
 
-Scores a 7 on the Wonderlic and then a 15

-His agent is a night club owner that was a buddy

-Worked primarily out of the shotgun in college

-Ran 4.57 on a fast track

-Had a great game against a poor USC defense -- This is justification for a TOP 5 pick??

What has he done to improve his draft status since the USC game?

Seems like he has bust written all over him!!

 
-Scores a 7 on the Wonderlic and then a 15

-His agent is a night club owner that was a buddy

-Worked primarily out of the shotgun in college

-Ran 4.57 on a fast track

-Had a great game against a poor USC defense -- This is justification for a TOP 5 pick??

What has he done to improve his draft status since the USC game?

Seems like he has bust written all over him!!
I'd put money on him not going in the top 10 unless there is a trade
 
-Scores a 7 on the Wonderlic and then a 15

-His agent is a night club owner that was a buddy

-Worked primarily out of the shotgun in college

-Ran 4.57 on a fast track

-Had a great game against a poor USC defense -- This is justification for a TOP 5 pick??

What has he done to improve his draft status since the USC game?

Seems like he has bust written all over him!!
I was very annoyed by all the talk leading up to the Rose Bowl with USC being the greatest ever. I'm not a USC fan and not really that into college football, but I did watch USC a lot because it's such a big deal here. It's been hashed to death already, but USC was very lucky to win quite a few of their games. Their defense in 2004 was solid but last year you could see their weaknesses. Great performances by Bush and Leinart helped cover that up, but it was still there. In the Rose Bowl, most of the country seemed shocked that Vince could destroy USC like he did but it was something that lesser players were doing against USC all season. In that game the offense just couldn't make up for it like they did in their other games.
 
I'm sure had he been working with a sprint coach (like all these guys do), then he would have better time. Most of them shave about a tenth with good training and practice getting the start right.
His continued lack of preparation has to put fear into potential teams. Even after the Wonderlic fiasco, he still doesn't prepare for the most common of tests. I can't recall a first round pick who didn't run the 40 somewhere, either at the Combine or his Pro Day, so Vince should have known he'd have to do it eventually.
A 6'5" 230# QB runs a 4.57 forty, untrained, and this is somehow a bad thing? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

-Ran 4.57 on a fast track
Uhhh...no.Field turf, indoor, on a 50 degree day is not a fast track.

-Had a great game against a poor USC defense -- This is justification for a TOP 5 pick??
Is that the only game he played? I could swear I remember a game against Ohio State in their yard, and OU, and a couple other good D's along the way. Embarrassed them all.
 
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i'm not his biggest fan by any means, but this is getting absurd. people are inventing reasons to not like him.

edit: the most legitimate criticism is his poor choice of representation and lack of preparation

 
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I'm sure had he been working with a sprint coach (like all these guys do), then he would have better time. Most of them shave about a tenth with good training and practice getting the start right.
His continued lack of preparation has to put fear into potential teams. Even after the Wonderlic fiasco, he still doesn't prepare for the most common of tests. I can't recall a first round pick who didn't run the 40 somewhere, either at the Combine or his Pro Day, so Vince should have known he'd have to do it eventually.
A 6'5" 230# QB runs a 4.57 forty, untrained, and this is somehow a bad thing? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

-Ran 4.57 on a fast track
Uhhh...no.Field turf, indoor, on a 50 degree day is not a fast track.
I don't care what speed he ran the 40, his lack of preparation is what bothers me. This is the most important time in his life and he doesn't even prepare for tests that are expected of every player. Defend him all you want, but the warning signs are there and you are a fool if you think teams aren't taking these things into account.
 
I'm sure had he been working with a sprint coach (like all these guys do), then he would have better time. Most of them shave about a tenth with good training and practice getting the start right.
His continued lack of preparation has to put fear into potential teams. Even after the Wonderlic fiasco, he still doesn't prepare for the most common of tests. I can't recall a first round pick who didn't run the 40 somewhere, either at the Combine or his Pro Day, so Vince should have known he'd have to do it eventually.
A 6'5" 230# QB runs a 4.57 forty, untrained, and this is somehow a bad thing? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

-Ran 4.57 on a fast track
Uhhh...no.Field turf, indoor, on a 50 degree day is not a fast track.
I don't care what speed he ran the 40, his lack of preparation is what bothers me. This is the most important time in his life and he doesn't even prepare for tests that are expected of every player. Defend him all you want, but the warning signs are there and you are a fool if you think teams aren't taking these things into account.
...and you're a fool if you think every player is expected to perform every event at the combine or a pro day.Spin it however you want.

The things you say speak volumes of how little you know about Young, his character, what got him where he is, and the things he did to lead the Texas Football Team to an undefeated season and national championship.

 
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Does it matter what he did? Even if he ran the fastest 40 time ever by a QB all the Young bashers would be on here finding something else to nit pick. Bunch of clowns....

 
Does it matter what he did? Even if he ran the fastest 40 time ever by a QB all the Young bashers would be on here finding something else to nit pick. Bunch of clowns....
Clowns...complete with big red noses and floppy shoes...agreed.
 
The things you say speak volumes of how little you know about Young, his character, what got him where he is, and the things he did to lead the Texas Football Team to an undefeated season and national championship.
And you are objective
 

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