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VY's Passer Rating = 65.7, Completion % = 51.7 (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I would honestly like to keep that comparison out of this thread.I would like to hear the rebuttle on how a QB with a 51.7 completion % should win the rookie of the year.
Slingblade
Footballguy
This is pure bigotry. Did you get your KKK hat out while writing this?
Over the past 3 games VY has above a 60% completion percentage.
And everyone knows passer rating means crap.
He is also 6-4, with 2 of those loses by 1 point. What has Leinart done with a much better team around him? Nothing.
Do this for me, imagine Leinart on the Titans. We would probably have maybe 3 games won. If that.
The fact is VY has the "it" factor and it is obvious he must of cost you alot of money or banged your mom.
Over the past 3 games VY has above a 60% completion percentage.
And everyone knows passer rating means crap.
He is also 6-4, with 2 of those loses by 1 point. What has Leinart done with a much better team around him? Nothing.
Do this for me, imagine Leinart on the Titans. We would probably have maybe 3 games won. If that.
The fact is VY has the "it" factor and it is obvious he must of cost you alot of money or banged your mom.
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DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
It's funny b/c this is the same stuff that happened when Vick first got into the league and now everyone wants to lynch him b/c he can't pass. Wonder if this will happen with Young when/if it turns out Young isn't a great passer.
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MLBrandow
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LHUCKS, you're a pretty smart guy, and I generally agree with most of what you say on here.
So I'd like to give you an opportunity to outline the best argument you can on VY before I make you look like a fool for starting this thread
Get your gloves out
So I'd like to give you an opportunity to outline the best argument you can on VY before I make you look like a fool for starting this thread
Get your gloves out
Slingblade
Footballguy
I am 99.9% positive that LHUCKS is really Merrill Hoge.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That's out of line.No pissing in the shark pool please.
Slingblade
Footballguy
No ####ting in it either, which is what your arguments are.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Having an unpopular opinion and supporting it with statistical data is not ####ting in the shark pool.As a a matter of fact, it's exactly what the pool needs...but I wouldn't expect you to have the capability of grasping that.
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
54% 7TDs 6 ints 47 rypg 4 TDs since the bye week, 65.2% 4YDs 3 ints 77.6 rypg 2TDs in the last 3.
Plus, Tenn has won 6 of the last 8 and 4 in a row.
He's a rookie, and he's getting better. Anyone thats watching him can see that.
Plus, Tenn has won 6 of the last 8 and 4 in a row.
He's a rookie, and he's getting better. Anyone thats watching him can see that.
All I know is that Vince is now a top 15 scoring QB in my fantasy leagues, despite not starting the first htree games, and he is 6-4 as a starter in the NFL as a rookie on a not so good team. What does passer rating have to do with anything, especially when it does not take into account AT ALL VY's rushiing yards and TD's? And, maybe you could tell us his passer rating over the last 5 games instead of the whole season? I mean, hello, rookie QB's tend to struggle, especially at first.
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MLBrandow
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It's funny you say that because I sifted through your post history yesterday after reading some offensive things you wrote, and I was unable to find any evidence that you've ever contributed anything other than malicious one-liners.You really should be banned, and I'm unsure why you're still around.
diesel7982
Footballguy
This is terrible, even for LHUCKS.
Banger
Footballguy
I agree that his #'s are fairly pedestrian looking but a BIG piece of the puzzle that isn't included in those figures and makes a HUGE impact NFL wise is his ability to scramble on 3rd downs and keep drives alive. He reminds me a lot of McNair and how annoying he was to play against (as a Steeler fan) for those years in Tenn. Running is a big part of his game and that isn't factored into the passer rating but significantly impacts his teams ability to stay on the field and keep drives alive.
guderian
Footballguy
Sorry, you bring PAC-10 BS into every thread, so you've lost the right to eliminate it from discussion.
Slingblade
Footballguy
I wouldn't really say you support your arguments. You more or less just spew rediculous crap that maybe 5 % of the people agree with you.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
The win/loss record definitely favors the "VY is great" camp.Do you think the win loss record is mostly due to VY?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
We're not in the FFA.
Slingblade
Footballguy
Collins did great in there didn't he.lmao
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
The Rookie of the Year is not won/awarded in a vaccum. It is based on a comparison amongst peers. If you want to talk Vince with regard to the award, then we need to introduce the other rookies in to the conversation as a basis of comparison. If you don't want to have other rookies involved, then we need to not talk about the ROY award.To your question, it's about winning. The man has led 3 straight game-winning drives, has led his team a 6-4 record since taking over as starter (including two 1 point losses), helped turn Travis Henry back into a quality RB, settled down his entire offensive line, gotten Fisher excited about staying with the team long term, and indirectly given the defense some confidence that this team can win, And while I'm just speculating, I'd imagine there isn't a single AFC team in the playoff hunt that wants any piece of the suddenly frisky Titans.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
So because Collins sucked, VY is the reason they are winning? Just trying to understand your argument here.
Slingblade
Footballguy
PsychoMan
Footballguy
Please post VYs game stats then so we have something else to look at besides his completion percentage and QB rating.
Slingblade
Footballguy
That's part of VYs "it" factor. He makes the whole team better, unlike leinart.
Titans2003
Footballguy
If team results are primary when voting for ROY, VY has a shot.
The main reason why the Titans have had to come back in recent weeks is Young's mediocre play. He's ten starts into his career. I'm not unhappy with it so far. If the Titans somehow made the playoffs (assuming they won one or two of those close games earlier in the season) he'd be oVVned big time.
Marques Colston still gets my vote for ROY, although it is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league.
Geez LHUCKS, how many people quote themselves in their signature space? That's the message-board equivalent of referring to yourself in the third person.
The main reason why the Titans have had to come back in recent weeks is Young's mediocre play. He's ten starts into his career. I'm not unhappy with it so far. If the Titans somehow made the playoffs (assuming they won one or two of those close games earlier in the season) he'd be oVVned big time.
Marques Colston still gets my vote for ROY, although it is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league.
Geez LHUCKS, how many people quote themselves in their signature space? That's the message-board equivalent of referring to yourself in the third person.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
VY is getting the credit for the running game and O-line?I've watched all the Titans game and the team is obviously playing better, but I don't understand why VY is getting the credit...I really don't.He's one of the worst passing QBs in the league right now...yes he is a rookie, but he isn't the reason the Titans are winning games.
over his last 3 games, Vince has put up these numbers:
58/89 (65%) for 630 yards, 4TD/3INT, 26 rushes for 233 yards and 2 TDs.
also, 3 WINS (including one of the biggest comebacks in history against the Giants, a huge win over the Colts, and a win over the Texans where Vince broke off a 39 yard TD run in OT)
what's not to like?
58/89 (65%) for 630 yards, 4TD/3INT, 26 rushes for 233 yards and 2 TDs.
also, 3 WINS (including one of the biggest comebacks in history against the Giants, a huge win over the Colts, and a win over the Texans where Vince broke off a 39 yard TD run in OT)
what's not to like?
Without Vince Young as the starter the Titans were 0-3 and averaged 11 points per game.With Vince Young as the starter the Titans are 6-4 and he's played a huge part in leading comebacks in many of those wins and the Titans have almost doubled their scoring output to 21.4 points per game.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I did that because my stance on the college football situation was getting muddled over in the FFA.I don't usually post in the pool during the regular season...too many hacks.
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Gaddis
Footballguy
"VY is great" camp?
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Over the last three games, Vince has completed ~64% of his passes (68.6, 60.0, 65.5) with an average YPA of about 7. He has averaged 210 yards passing over that span. He has thrown 4 TD and 3 INT.
He has also rushed for 233 yards and 2 TD, while averaging almost 9 yds/carry.
While this is an admittedly small sample and is certainly the best three game span of the season, it is also the most recent, which does matter a bit, since the guy has started all of ten games in his career.
He has also rushed for 233 yards and 2 TD, while averaging almost 9 yds/carry.
While this is an admittedly small sample and is certainly the best three game span of the season, it is also the most recent, which does matter a bit, since the guy has started all of ten games in his career.
Banger
Footballguy
think about it. If the defense needs to account for a QB's ability to run, it opens up running lanes for the rb's (i.e. Atlanta). I don't think it's a coincidence do you?
Slingblade
Footballguy
That right there proves you have only seen the highlights on ESPN.Fact is...Vince Young has made the team better as a whole.He brings an energy to the team very reminiscent of McNair in his early years.
I have been a VY fan for awhile, especially after watching the UT/USC game. He was unbelievable in that game and has done very well lately.
That said, I hope he doesn't turn into a Vick. Unfortunately, it seems like we have seen the best of Vick and how far he will go. I just hope Vince keeps improving and that he won't get "figured out" as it seems Vick has been.
Vick is going to break the QB rushing mark and yet his team is still just OK, and that is because he still can't pass the ball. Hopefully, Vince improves in the passing game and turns into a complete QB, because sooner or later, running alone will not be enough as defenses learn more about his tendencies and really gameplan for him. Not saying that they aren't, but he is still sort of an unknown, unfilmed, undissected, surprise commodity.
That said, I hope he doesn't turn into a Vick. Unfortunately, it seems like we have seen the best of Vick and how far he will go. I just hope Vince keeps improving and that he won't get "figured out" as it seems Vick has been.
Vick is going to break the QB rushing mark and yet his team is still just OK, and that is because he still can't pass the ball. Hopefully, Vince improves in the passing game and turns into a complete QB, because sooner or later, running alone will not be enough as defenses learn more about his tendencies and really gameplan for him. Not saying that they aren't, but he is still sort of an unknown, unfilmed, undissected, surprise commodity.
Slingblade
Footballguy
This is also what he did at Texas. He continually and consistently got better and better.
LHUCKS, you're cherry picking one narrow piece of data to make a bunk point.
1) As many have pointed out, in the last three games, VY's accuracy has taken a huge step forward.
2) Everyone expected him to have trouble adjusting to passing the NFL. He didn't through many timing throws in college, or throws into small windows, not to mention adjusting to the speed of the game. Yes, he's still working out the kinks, but he's WAY ahead of schedule.
3) What did translate instantly was his speed and his nerves of steel. The defenders are taking the same bad angles even though its pros instead of college kids. He still believes (hypnotizing his teammates in the process) that he's going to win every game, and down the stretch, he believes he's going to make the play. Guess what? He's right.
4) You are completely dismissing the effect VY has had on his team, lifting the level of play of offense, defense, and special teams with his commitment to winning and his so loose while being so serious attitude. He's a leader of men in their 30s at 23 years old. Even the coaches are getting caught up in it. There is no stat to quantify it except his 6-4 record, and even that falls short of being a measure of his effect on the spirits and focus of this team. They were bad, I mean Lions bad, before VY took over. They've played like a legit playoff team since then. Same personnel. This is where he and Vick part ways. VY is a true professional, devoted 365/24/7 to winning, and it rubs off on all of this teammates, even the members of his organization. He is going to keep working tirelessly to correct his flaws, and he's got a level head - so he acknowledges his flaws.
Continue hating on VY if you want, but like all the teams and players that underestimate him, you will look like the fool at day's end.
1) As many have pointed out, in the last three games, VY's accuracy has taken a huge step forward.
2) Everyone expected him to have trouble adjusting to passing the NFL. He didn't through many timing throws in college, or throws into small windows, not to mention adjusting to the speed of the game. Yes, he's still working out the kinks, but he's WAY ahead of schedule.
3) What did translate instantly was his speed and his nerves of steel. The defenders are taking the same bad angles even though its pros instead of college kids. He still believes (hypnotizing his teammates in the process) that he's going to win every game, and down the stretch, he believes he's going to make the play. Guess what? He's right.
4) You are completely dismissing the effect VY has had on his team, lifting the level of play of offense, defense, and special teams with his commitment to winning and his so loose while being so serious attitude. He's a leader of men in their 30s at 23 years old. Even the coaches are getting caught up in it. There is no stat to quantify it except his 6-4 record, and even that falls short of being a measure of his effect on the spirits and focus of this team. They were bad, I mean Lions bad, before VY took over. They've played like a legit playoff team since then. Same personnel. This is where he and Vick part ways. VY is a true professional, devoted 365/24/7 to winning, and it rubs off on all of this teammates, even the members of his organization. He is going to keep working tirelessly to correct his flaws, and he's got a level head - so he acknowledges his flaws.
Continue hating on VY if you want, but like all the teams and players that underestimate him, you will look like the fool at day's end.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Are you being serious? Of course I'm giving him some credit for the O-line and running game. The fact that he poses a threat on the ground opens things up for Travis Henry, Chris Brown, etc. The Titans have two of the WORST guards in the NFL, and they are playing out of their minds for a a number of reasons, not the least of which being Young. Also, to your point of him being one of the worst passing QBs in the league right now, you'll get no argument from me. But until the team starts losing BECAUSE of his arm, I'm more than happy to watch them win in spite of it.
Barry
Footballguy
The intelligence in the Shark Pool is out of control. Actually this borders on insane.
cstu
Footballguy
All I'm going to say is that I think the hype on Vince is ridiculous considering the hate Mike Vick gets with better stats.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I see rushing stats and I laugh...you and I both know that doesn't last. McNabb, Vick...the list goes on and on. It's helping him win games now, but I'm evaluating his talent and long term prospect for success in the NFL and I'm not as enamored as everyone else...I'm just not.
The wins are his strongest argument, but again I think people are giving VY credit for something he isn't totally responsible for. A) He played like crap for most of the game agains the GiantsB) The Texans suckC) The Colts defense has been getting abusedI'm telling everybody right here and now, the kid is a great athlete, but he will never be a great QB until he becomes a better passer.
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dparker713
Footballguy
To be fair, Vick is also crippled by the drops of his receivers. I don't think he'll ever be a great passer, but his receivers blow.
zoonation
Footballguy
good to see racism is alive and well (is this what they mean by reverse racism???)Wow. Just wow.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
To be fair to Vince he is a rookie so he still may develop that part of his game, but the hype is comical.- Status
