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Walmart Makes it Official: Thanksgiving Is Dead (1 Viewer)

I'm kinda confused myself. Everybody kept saying they were going to boycott the stores, yet more people went shopping on Thanksgiving this year than last year. Combined spending for Thanksgiving & black friday also up from last year. What gives?
Actually per person sales average was down from last year. And what really matters is the whole holiday. As I said earlier the likely outcome is they cannibalized some later sales they might have made. Last year the early openings didn't result in much of an uptick in overall seasonal sales I think it was less than a 1 percent increase.
Overall, you're almost certainly right that this really just changes the when of total sales rather than the amount of total sales.

But that isn't the relevant question for any particular brand determining whether to open on Thanksgiving. For example, once Target and Walmart have decided to open, the question for say, Best Buy, is really whether their percentage of the total sales will take a hit if they do/don't also open on Thanksgiving.
He's kinda wrong tho.

Holiday sales from October 28 - December 24 only rose .7% from the previous year. Holiday sales from Thanksgiving through Xmas eve rose 2.5% from the previous year.
Holiday sales rose 0.7% between October 28th through December 24th, 2012 according to Spending Pulse. Sales rose 2% in that same time period in the 2011 Christmas Holiday Shopping Season.
Your 2.5% is seasonally adjusted sales. Seasonally adjusted sales are known for their inaccuracy and are not generally considered the best way to look at retail sales.

 
I'm kinda confused myself. Everybody kept saying they were going to boycott the stores, yet more people went shopping on Thanksgiving this year than last year. Combined spending for Thanksgiving & black friday also up from last year. What gives?
Actually per person sales average was down from last year. And what really matters is the whole holiday. As I said earlier the likely outcome is they cannibalized some later sales they might have made. Last year the early openings didn't result in much of an uptick in overall seasonal sales I think it was less than a 1 percent increase.
Overall, you're almost certainly right that this really just changes the when of total sales rather than the amount of total sales.

But that isn't the relevant question for any particular brand determining whether to open on Thanksgiving. For example, once Target and Walmart have decided to open, the question for say, Best Buy, is really whether their percentage of the total sales will take a hit if they do/don't also open on Thanksgiving.
He's kinda wrong tho.

Holiday sales from October 28 - December 24 only rose .7% from the previous year. Holiday sales from Thanksgiving through Xmas eve rose 2.5% from the previous year.
Holiday sales rose 0.7% between October 28th through December 24th, 2012 according to Spending Pulse. Sales rose 2% in that same time period in the 2011 Christmas Holiday Shopping Season.
Your 2.5% is seasonally adjusted sales. Seasonally adjusted sales are known for their inaccuracy and are not generally considered the best way to look at retail sales.
Well, clearly the data in my link has been deemed inaccurate by the data in your... oh wait...

 
I'm kinda confused myself. Everybody kept saying they were going to boycott the stores, yet more people went shopping on Thanksgiving this year than last year. Combined spending for Thanksgiving & black friday also up from last year. What gives?
Actually per person sales average was down from last year. And what really matters is the whole holiday. As I said earlier the likely outcome is they cannibalized some later sales they might have made. Last year the early openings didn't result in much of an uptick in overall seasonal sales I think it was less than a 1 percent increase.
Overall, you're almost certainly right that this really just changes the when of total sales rather than the amount of total sales.

But that isn't the relevant question for any particular brand determining whether to open on Thanksgiving. For example, once Target and Walmart have decided to open, the question for say, Best Buy, is really whether their percentage of the total sales will take a hit if they do/don't also open on Thanksgiving.
He's kinda wrong tho.

Holiday sales from October 28 - December 24 only rose .7% from the previous year. Holiday sales from Thanksgiving through Xmas eve rose 2.5% from the previous year.
Holiday sales rose 0.7% between October 28th through December 24th, 2012 according to Spending Pulse. Sales rose 2% in that same time period in the 2011 Christmas Holiday Shopping Season.
Your 2.5% is seasonally adjusted sales. Seasonally adjusted sales are known for their inaccuracy and are not generally considered the best way to look at retail sales.
Well, clearly the data in my link has been deemed inaccurate by the data in your... oh wait...
Nothing wrong with the straight data in your link. The problem is the seasonally adjusted sales. Those are too easy to play with. I have seen several segment watchers say they aren't interested in the adjusted numbers because it is to easy to flim flam.

 
I'm kinda confused myself. Everybody kept saying they were going to boycott the stores, yet more people went shopping on Thanksgiving this year than last year. Combined spending for Thanksgiving & black friday also up from last year. What gives?
Actually per person sales average was down from last year. And what really matters is the whole holiday. As I said earlier the likely outcome is they cannibalized some later sales they might have made. Last year the early openings didn't result in much of an uptick in overall seasonal sales I think it was less than a 1 percent increase.
Overall, you're almost certainly right that this really just changes the when of total sales rather than the amount of total sales.

But that isn't the relevant question for any particular brand determining whether to open on Thanksgiving. For example, once Target and Walmart have decided to open, the question for say, Best Buy, is really whether their percentage of the total sales will take a hit if they do/don't also open on Thanksgiving.
He's kinda wrong tho.

Holiday sales from October 28 - December 24 only rose .7% from the previous year. Holiday sales from Thanksgiving through Xmas eve rose 2.5% from the previous year.
Holiday sales rose 0.7% between October 28th through December 24th, 2012 according to Spending Pulse. Sales rose 2% in that same time period in the 2011 Christmas Holiday Shopping Season.
Your 2.5% is seasonally adjusted sales. Seasonally adjusted sales are known for their inaccuracy and are not generally considered the best way to look at retail sales.
Well, clearly the data in my link has been deemed inaccurate by the data in your... oh wait...
Nothing wrong with the straight data in your link. The problem is the seasonally adjusted sales. Those are too easy to play with. I have seen several segment watchers say they aren't interested in the adjusted numbers because it is to easy to flim flam.
Well clearly you have provn that the numbers have been fudged by the evidence in your lin... oh wait...

 
Just because they're open doesn't mean you have to shop there. Stay home, enjoy your turkey and wine or beer induced coma, watch football, enjoy your friends and family. Don't feed the greed. :shrug:

 
Just because they're open doesn't mean you have to shop there. Stay home, enjoy your turkey and wine or beer induced coma, watch football, enjoy your friends and family. Don't feed the greed. :shrug:
Why do this at home when you can do it in the WalMart parking lot?

 
TxBuckeye said:
I don't know why people are arguing sales numbers. Totally irrelevant to the point of the thread.
They have spent their lives worshiping their worthless knickknacks. It is easy to understand why they have no comprehension of the topic.

 
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At this point ... what's stopping from Big Box from having doorbusters every weekend between Halloween and Thanksgiving? Why wait?

A real gimmick would be the "Guaranteed Doorbuster" -- you don't have to be one of the first 50 people in the store to get the cheapest Black Friday price. No more $89 X-Boxes, but having only 10 in stock at that price.

 
At this point ... what's stopping from Big Box from having doorbusters every weekend between Halloween and Thanksgiving? Why wait?

A real gimmick would be the "Guaranteed Doorbuster" -- you don't have to be one of the first 50 people in the store to get the cheapest Black Friday price. No more $89 X-Boxes, but having only 10 in stock at that price.
Walmart was doing something like that this year. If you got in line within a hour of the sale starting, you were guaranteed to get the black friday deals.

 
At this point ... what's stopping from Big Box from having doorbusters every weekend between Halloween and Thanksgiving? Why wait?

A real gimmick would be the "Guaranteed Doorbuster" -- you don't have to be one of the first 50 people in the store to get the cheapest Black Friday price. No more $89 X-Boxes, but having only 10 in stock at that price.
I don't understand why they don't try this, either. People here have been saying it doesn't matter because people already know how much they are spending on Christmas, so it doesn't matter. But that's poppycock. The earlier you can get people to buy something, the more time they have to see something else and think, "Well. I guess I could just buy one more thing."

The biggest issue I guess would be that if you get too far away from the holiday, people may not know what it is they want to buy.

 
At this point ... what's stopping from Big Box from having doorbusters every weekend between Halloween and Thanksgiving? Why wait?

A real gimmick would be the "Guaranteed Doorbuster" -- you don't have to be one of the first 50 people in the store to get the cheapest Black Friday price. No more $89 X-Boxes, but having only 10 in stock at that price.
I don't understand why they don't try this, either. People here have been saying it doesn't matter because people already know how much they are spending on Christmas, so it doesn't matter. But that's poppycock. The earlier you can get people to buy something, the more time they have to see something else and think, "Well. I guess I could just buy one more thing."

The biggest issue I guess would be that if you get too far away from the holiday, people may not know what it is they want to buy.
I suspect that a majority of people who are hitting these doorbuster sales are buying the items for themselves.

 
we actually found some good door buster deals at walmart this year.. so we took the shark move and decided to tail-gate our thanksgiving dinner. it worked out pretty well. paper plates and napkins flying everywhere but the food was delicious. we deep fried the turkey outside our tent to hold our first spot in line
You seriously did this? More details please. What were the people like?
people were jealous of our superior game planning. there was a Aarons furniture store next to the walmart so we rented some recliners for the day and had the games on. epic

we will be there next year with our own portapotty and projection tv setup
I think you should stop doing this. You're only encouraging the retailers. You seem like a genuinely nice person but you don't understand the insidious effect of your actions.

 
we actually found some good door buster deals at walmart this year.. so we took the shark move and decided to tail-gate our thanksgiving dinner. it worked out pretty well. paper plates and napkins flying everywhere but the food was delicious. we deep fried the turkey outside our tent to hold our first spot in line
You seriously did this? More details please. What were the people like?
people were jealous of our superior game planning. there was a Aarons furniture store next to the walmart so we rented some recliners for the day and had the games on. epic

we will be there next year with our own portapotty and projection tv setup
I think you should stop doing this. You're only encouraging the retailers. You seem like a genuinely nice person but you don't understand the insidious effect of your actions.
:fishing:

 
Are there actually deals on Black Friday that are any greater than searching online for the best price? There was a Walmart commercial here for 30% off a Barbie (or something). Is this really worth all of the trouble?
Yes there are some, but they are in limited quantities.

 
When will these stores wise up and just host thanksgiving dinner for everyone too? They could put the tables on wheels and drive them through the store while people are eating so they can shop and eat at the same time. :moneybag:

 
Is it that time of year where people disguise their hatred of poor people as family values already?

 
Just because they're open doesn't mean you have to shop there. Stay home, enjoy your turkey and wine or beer induced coma, watch football, enjoy your friends and family. Don't feed the greed. :shrug:
Why do this at home when you can do it in the WalMart parking lot?
Without pants...
I prefer doing that in WalMart's bean bag section.
Do they call it that because the guys aren't wearing pants?

 
Gr00vus said:
When will these stores wise up and just host thanksgiving dinner for everyone too? They could put the tables on wheels and drive them through the store while people are eating so they can shop and eat at the same time. :moneybag:
That's a freaking awesome idea.
 
I don't know why people are arguing sales numbers. Totally irrelevant to the point of the thread.
They have spent their lives worshiping their worthless knickknacks. It is easy to understand why they have no comprehension of the topic.
This is better than walking around deluded imo. Just slightly.
You should go to church.
I'm not interested in what they're selling

 
I don't know why people are arguing sales numbers. Totally irrelevant to the point of the thread.
They have spent their lives worshiping their worthless knickknacks. It is easy to understand why they have no comprehension of the topic.
This is better than walking around deluded imo. Just slightly.
You should go to church.
Why? So I can get worked up about Walmarts hours of operation?
 
I don't know why people are arguing sales numbers. Totally irrelevant to the point of the thread.
They have spent their lives worshiping their worthless knickknacks. It is easy to understand why they have no comprehension of the topic.
This is better than walking around deluded imo. Just slightly.
You should go to church.
I'm not interested in what they're selling
Their false idols are better than the other guy's false idols
 

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