Walters to start over Johnson (1 Viewer)

[John]

From Fanball.com

10/10 15:42 Cardinals: Walters may start instead of Johnson

The News

Cardinals head coach Denny Green is leaving open the possibility of using Troy Walters as his starter this week instead of Bryant Johnson, who would then remain the team's third wideout. "That's something we'll look at over the next couple days," Green told the Arizona Republic.

Our View

Johnson's fantasy value was on the rise after it was announced Fitzgerald would miss at least two games, but if he was to remain the team's third wideout, his value would fall. We'll keep an eye on this situation to see who Green goes with as his starter.

 

[CrossEyed]

Man, that really complicates my waiver claims.

 

[John]

I'm sure it complicates alot of people's claims...

 

[Marc Levin]

We'll watch this over the next copuple days, but I'd be downright SHOCKED if we heard Troy Walters was running opposite Boldin rather than Johnson.

Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?

I don't think so.

Like I said, we'll keep an eye on it, but this sounds like a lot of hot air from Green.

 

[Marc Levin]

P.S. - I HOPE it complicates claims - I am praying for Johnson to fall to me with my #10 priority waiver claim. I bet a lot of folks in my league will shoot for Herron as their first choice.

Any news that diverts attention from Johnson is good news to me.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Well, 2 of my 3 leagues have waiver deadlines of 10am tomorrow. I choose to ignore this and put in for Johnson.

 

[kupcho1]

Like I said, we'll keep an eye on it, but this sounds like a lot of hot air from Green.

I don't think Lovie Smith is losing any sleep over whether its Walters or Bryant Johnson. While they may be glad they're not facing Fitzgerald, I don't think Green is really gaining anything by blowing smoke. But who knows, it is Denny Green we're talking about.Personally, I hope Walters gets all the play since my opponent in week 6 snagged B. Johnson. :rubshandswithglee:

 

[Marc Levin]

Well, 2 of my 3 leagues have waiver deadlines of 10am tomorrow. I choose to ignore this and put in for Johnson.

Definitely the right move.

 

[a_rackowski]

I wouldnt trust a word fanball writes at this point.

 

[Keg]

From Fanball.com

10/10 15:42 Cardinals: Walters may start instead of Johnson

The News

Cardinals head coach Denny Green is leaving open the possibility of using Troy Walters as his starter this week instead of Bryant Johnson, who would then remain the team's third wideout. "That's something we'll look at over the next couple days," Green told the Arizona Republic.

Our View

Johnson's fantasy value was on the rise after it was announced Fitzgerald would miss at least two games, but if he was to remain the team's third wideout, his value would fall. We'll keep an eye on this situation to see who Green goes with as his starter.

seems like a coach giving a vague answer so as not to tip his hand and fanball.com running a speculative blurb

 

[Nemesis]

Why does it really matter?

It's not like AZ is going to be able to run vs CHI def..........so I suspect we'll see a lot of Johnson either way.

(no pun intended)

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Johnson did have a big drop and Walters did have a big catch last week. I wouldn't put anything past Denny Green.

 

[John]

Just trying to add a little to the forum. I know that alot of people have waivers on him.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Remember Parcells talking about how HErd would take TOs spot on the outside if he would have missed anytime? He said it only made sense to only have 1 guy playing out of position instead of two. It makes sense to me. He could always skew the play calling more towards the slot and call alot more 3WR sets than usual.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

This could also be coachspeak so CHI prepares for the much smaller Walters as opposed to a bigger WR in Johnson.

Honestly, I think the running game will be shut down so well, that they may run 3 WR 75% of the time.

 

[broncofan13000]

This might be a small glimmer of hope for us that are in leagues where BJ is already rostered.

 

[Bri]

We'll watch this over the next copuple days, but I'd be downright SHOCKED if we heard Troy Walters was running opposite Boldin rather than Johnson.Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?I don't think so.Like I said, we'll keep an eye on it, but this sounds like a lot of hot air from Green.

he might be sending him deep "every" play. Kelly Campbell? I remember him doing this with some Vikes WR.I'm still grabbing Johnson in every league I can.

 

[Bri]

Their record, to me, indicates they should start considerring getting Pope involved a bunch and letting he and some other rooks take their lumps. Still can't believe he's not a redzone weapon.

 

[richn]

From Fanball.com

10/10 15:42 Cardinals: Walters may start instead of Johnson

The News

Cardinals head coach Denny Green is leaving open the possibility of using Troy Walters as his starter this week instead of Bryant Johnson, who would then remain the team's third wideout. "That's something we'll look at over the next couple days," Green told the Arizona Republic.

Our View

Johnson's fantasy value was on the rise after it was announced Fitzgerald would miss at least two games, but if he was to remain the team's third wideout, his value would fall. We'll keep an eye on this situation to see who Green goes with as his starter.

That seems unlikely to me, Johnson is the guy

 

[Bull Dozier]

From this blurb on CNNSI, it states Bryant Johnson is the likely new #2. Haven't searched for the Arizona Republic for the full story.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scor...mors.nfl/1.html

 

[Ham Wallet]

It could be possible, maybe Leinart and Walters saw alot of reps together in practice and something clicked between them.

 

[Bull Dozier]

It could be possible, maybe Leinart and Walters saw alot of reps together in practice and something clicked between them.

Based on the box score from this past week, I would think something clicked between Leinart and Johnson.

 

[Leo2228]

Why does it really matter?It's not like AZ is going to be able to run vs CHI def..........so I suspect we'll see a lot of Johnson either way. (no pun intended)

You are right BUT week 7,8,9,10 .......... Johnson is gold i don"t see Fitzgerald, at full speedy the rest of the year

 

[Marc Levin]

Why does it really matter?It's not like AZ is going to be able to run vs CHI def..........so I suspect we'll see a lot of Johnson either way. (no pun intended)

You are right BUT week 7,8,9,10 .......... Johnson is gold i don"t see Fitzgerald, at full speedy the rest of the year

Johnson's gonna suck in week 9. I wouldn't play any of my Cardinals in week 9.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Dude dropped one freakin pass last week (albeit an important one) and now he's maybe going to be benched for Mini-Me Troy Walters?

Please. This is a ploy to motivate Bryant Johnson.

 

[Judge Smails]

What does this have to do about LT?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?I don't think so.

Let me get this straight, you think Troy Walters should be in the slot ??? 5'7" (or 8) 174lb speed reciever in the slot !? I would put him outside all day and let BJ play inside where he can do alot of damage. Let TW on the outside and use his speed on streaks and post routes.

 

[Marc Levin]

Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?I don't think so.

Let me get this straight, you think Troy Walters should be in the slot ??? 5'7" (or 8) 174lb speed reciever in the slot !? I would put him outside all day and let BJ play inside where he can do alot of damage. Let TW on the outside and use his speed on streaks and post routes.

Yes - in the slot.Speed receiver as the third - witness: Miami had Chambers and Booker outside, wes welker inside. Small speed receiver gets the WR3 hot read from the slot. How is a 5'7" speed smurf supposed to work the sideline against the other team's #2 CB? He can DEFINITELY get separation as the WR3 in the slot, working against LBs, safeties and nickels.

 

[The_U]

Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?I don't think so.

Let me get this straight, you think Troy Walters should be in the slot ??? 5'7" (or 8) 174lb speed reciever in the slot !? I would put him outside all day and let BJ play inside where he can do alot of damage. Let TW on the outside and use his speed on streaks and post routes.

Are you serious? For real? This post is insane. Of course Walters should assume the slot position. I can't explain it any better than Levin one post up. And yes Marc, Bryant Johnson will be a horrendous start Week 9. The worst.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

From Fanball.com10/10 15:42 Cardinals: Walters may start instead of Johnson The NewsCardinals head coach Denny Green is leaving open the possibility of using Troy Walters as his starter this week instead of Bryant Johnson, who would then remain the team's third wideout. "That's something we'll look at over the next couple days," Green told the Arizona Republic. Our ViewJohnson's fantasy value was on the rise after it was announced Fitzgerald would miss at least two games, but if he was to remain the team's third wideout, his value would fall. We'll keep an eye on this situation to see who Green goes with as his starter.

There's a reason why Denny Green has been unable to resurrect the Cardinals from suckiness. Your answer lies above.

 

[Marc Levin]

Your Bear colors are showing.

The Cardinals are a distinctly improved team on both sides of the ball. They lost by 11 to Seattle, 2 to St Lou, and 3 to KC. A bounce here or there, a non-fumble by Warner, a made 51 yarder by Rackers and they are either 3-2 or 4-1 (and not 1-4).

Their only blowout game was Atlanta.

 

[The Ref]

We'll watch this over the next copuple days, but I'd be downright SHOCKED if we heard Troy Walters was running opposite Boldin rather than Johnson.Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?I don't think so.Like I said, we'll keep an eye on it, but this sounds like a lot of hot air from Green.

Mark, I don't always agree with you, but this is good stuff. I am looking forward to grabing Johnson this week.

 

[3C's]

I am looking forward to grabing Johnson this week.

On a serious note, since Johnson is gone, I might try to pickup Walters. It's him or Hakim.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

When I mean take over for Fitz - I mean gets Fitz's routes and play his position

Or will they slide Anquan to Fitz's position and let Johnson play Anquan's spot ??

Just a question that someone might know the answer to

 

[Bri]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=278687

 

[LongDrivethenFoozle]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams......but.....Lienart will have growing pains. I would take the gamble if I had a weak stable of WR's. I you want Fitz #'s it could come close, The bottom line is get a jilly and reach holl of weather Anquan has his dub coverage. If Zona can pass at will Johnson will "jilly" and this will work, but the odds are

 

[Mr. Yuk]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams......but.....Lienart will have growing pains. I would take the gamble if I had a weak stable of WR's. I you want Fitz #'s it could come close, The bottom line is get a jilly and reach holl of weather Anquan has his dub coverage. If Zona can pass at will Johnson will "jilly" and this will work, but the odds are

What the fark?

 

[The Football Freak]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams......but.....Lienart will have growing pains. I would take the gamble if I had a weak stable of WR's. I you want Fitz #'s it could come close, The bottom line is get a jilly and reach holl of weather Anquan has his dub coverage. If Zona can pass at will Johnson will "jilly" and this will work, but the odds are

Get a jilly and reach holl?!?!?! You wanna run that one by us again?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams......but.....Lienart will have growing pains. I would take the gamble if I had a weak stable of WR's. I you want Fitz #'s it could come close, The bottom line is get a jilly and reach holl of weather Anquan has his dub coverage. If Zona can pass at will Johnson will "jilly" and this will work, but the odds are

Can you repeat that in a language I understand-- like Spanglish?

 

[cantrell]

Hey guys these definitions are possibly what he meant by "jilly."

JILLY

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Walkters simply is not good enough to be on the outside - he needs to be in the slot. 5'7" and 174 lb speed-based receiver who's got VERY little starting experience on the outside? When there is a 6/2" 200+ lb receiver to put outside instead?I don't think so.

Let me get this straight, you think Troy Walters should be in the slot ??? 5'7" (or 8) 174lb speed reciever in the slot !? I would put him outside all day and let BJ play inside where he can do alot of damage. Let TW on the outside and use his speed on streaks and post routes.

Yes - in the slot.Speed receiver as the third - witness: Miami had Chambers and Booker outside, wes welker inside. Small speed receiver gets the WR3 hot read from the slot. How is a 5'7" speed smurf supposed to work the sideline against the other team's #2 CB? He can DEFINITELY get separation as the WR3 in the slot, working against LBs, safeties and nickels.

Sorry but I no longer believe its that hard for a "smurf" or a speed WR to get off the line of scrimage as a SE. Your larger more physical WRs work just as well in the slot and you see teams doing it all the time. Play BJ in the slot gives you a much more experienced player working the inside of the field against Chicagos fast LB's. I think you will see BJ play in the slot at times this weekend but I could be wrong.

 

[Bri]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams

He had the chance to walk this year didn't he?

 

[Kit Fisto]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams

He had the chance to walk this year didn't he?

Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona CardinalsAge: N/A

Height: 6' 2"

Weight: 214 lbs.

In League: 4 Yrs

Depth Postion: Backup

College: Penn State

Contract Expires: 2006

Contract Details:

Johnson signed a four-year deal in July 2003, according to the Arizona Republic. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Looks like he's a UFA after the season.

 

[Bri]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams

He had the chance to walk this year didn't he?

Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona CardinalsAge: N/A

Height: 6' 2"

Weight: 214 lbs.

In League: 4 Yrs

Depth Postion: Backup

College: Penn State

Contract Expires: 2006

Contract Details:

Johnson signed a four-year deal in July 2003, according to the Arizona Republic. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Looks like he's a UFA after the season.

hmmm, guess I thought wrong, thanks

 

[zamboni]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams

He had the chance to walk this year didn't he?

Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona CardinalsAge: N/A

Height: 6' 2"

Weight: 214 lbs.

In League: 4 Yrs

Depth Postion: Backup

College: Penn State

Contract Expires: 2006

Contract Details:

Johnson signed a four-year deal in July 2003, according to the Arizona Republic. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Looks like he's a UFA after the season.

Interesting. If he shows something the next several weeks while Fitz is out, he could help his cause immensely in the FA market next year. Might be worth stashing away on keeper/dynasty rosters.

 

[aardball44]

P.S. - I HOPE it complicates claims - I am praying for Johnson to fall to me with my #10 priority waiver claim. I bet a lot of folks in my league will shoot for Herron as their first choice.Any news that diverts attention from Johnson is good news to me.

Didja get him?I did, from the 10th spot. He's sitting next to Fitz on my bench right now but might start for me on Sunday against Da Bears instead of the Jets' Jerricho Cotchery.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Even if he's the "#3" guy this week I still think he'll get increased targets just like he did last week.

 

[CrossEyed]

P.S. - I HOPE it complicates claims - I am praying for Johnson to fall to me with my #10 priority waiver claim. I bet a lot of folks in my league will shoot for Herron as their first choice.Any news that diverts attention from Johnson is good news to me.

Didja get him?I did, from the 10th spot. He's sitting next to Fitz on my bench right now but might start for me on Sunday against Da Bears instead of the Jets' Jerricho Cotchery.

I didn't. Fitz is sitting on my bench all by himself.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Johnson could start for quite a few teams

He had the chance to walk this year didn't he?

Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona CardinalsAge: N/A

Height: 6' 2"

Weight: 214 lbs.

In League: 4 Yrs

Depth Postion: Backup

College: Penn State

Contract Expires: 2006

Contract Details:

Johnson signed a four-year deal in July 2003, according to the Arizona Republic. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Looks like he's a UFA after the season.

Interesting. If he shows something the next several weeks while Fitz is out, he could help his cause immensely in the FA market next year. Might be worth stashing away on keeper/dynasty rosters.

Correctamundo!Which is precisely why I picked him up yesterday.

 

[TheLaw]

any news from Cards' practice?