Ward owners won't be happy, Jacobs owners won't be happy (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

Mark it down:

Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...

My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I'm not saying your prediction is wrong or anything, but do you have any information from the coaches as to what they plan on doing? Any word on who gets goal line carries or anything like that?

 

[faux_bear]

I'm not saying your prediction is wrong or anything, but do you have any information from the coaches as to what they plan on doing? Any word on who gets goal line carries or anything like that?

probably not, but it sure smells like he's going to be right.

 

[OU#1]

I'm not saying your prediction is wrong or anything, but do you have any information from the coaches as to what they plan on doing? Any word on who gets goal line carries or anything like that?

Sounds like a prediction to me with no backing.Here's another scenario: RBBC next game, one or the other shines while the other one stinks, and it goes back to 85%/15% Week 6.Anybody else want to take a shot at this?

 

[radballs]

I'm fired up that we can discuss this in a brand new thread.

 

[Bears_Man2]

You could by right, but I still think Jacobs can be a solid #2 RB with the goalline touches. I think most that drafted Jacobs went in thinking he'd be out on 3rd downs. I think enough preseason doubt (could he handle the full load, which he never has done) existed to where Jacobs doesn't have to be spectacular to live up to his ADP.

 

[radballs]

You could by right, but I still think Jacobs can be a solid #2 RB with the goalline touches. I think most that drafted Jacobs went in thinking he'd be out on 3rd downs. I think enough preseason doubt (could he handle the full load, which he never has done) existed to where Jacobs doesn't have to be spectacular to live up to his ADP.

I don't know where you think Jacobs' ADP was in most leagues, but he went in the mid 3rd (if not sooner) in most of the leagues where knuckleheads thought he was worth that much. Not sure how a 3rd rounder lives up to his ADP when he misses 4+ weeks and then only works on 1st and 2nd downs.

 

[ready5]

I'm fired up that we can discuss this in a brand new thread.

 

[Bears_Man2]

You could by right, but I still think Jacobs can be a solid #2 RB with the goalline touches. I think most that drafted Jacobs went in thinking he'd be out on 3rd downs. I think enough preseason doubt (could he handle the full load, which he never has done) existed to where Jacobs doesn't have to be spectacular to live up to his ADP.

I don't know where you think Jacobs' ADP was in most leagues, but he went in the mid 3rd (if not sooner) in most of the leagues where knuckleheads thought he was worth that much. Not sure how a 3rd rounder lives up to his ADP when he misses 4+ weeks and then only works on 1st and 2nd downs.

Was on my avoid list, but he was going late 3rd/early 4th in a couple redrafts I'm in.Benson L.Johnson Cadillac Thomas Jones MJD Deuce I can see him, even missing 3-4 weeks, having enough TD's to outproduce all these guys (all drafted before him). 4 of those 6 were going in Rounds 1 and 2. You could throw Bush on that list too (though I imagine he'll outproduce Jacobs).

 

[radballs]

You could by right, but I still think Jacobs can be a solid #2 RB with the goalline touches. I think most that drafted Jacobs went in thinking he'd be out on 3rd downs. I think enough preseason doubt (could he handle the full load, which he never has done) existed to where Jacobs doesn't have to be spectacular to live up to his ADP.

I don't know where you think Jacobs' ADP was in most leagues, but he went in the mid 3rd (if not sooner) in most of the leagues where knuckleheads thought he was worth that much. Not sure how a 3rd rounder lives up to his ADP when he misses 4+ weeks and then only works on 1st and 2nd downs.

Was on my avoid list, but he was going late 3rd/early 4th in a couple redrafts I'm in.Benson L.Johnson Cadillac Thomas Jones MJD Deuce I can see him, even missing 3-4 weeks, having enough TD's to outproduce all these guys (all drafted before him). 4 of those 6 were going in Rounds 1 and 2. You could throw Bush on that list too (though I imagine he'll outproduce Jacobs).

I agree that maybe he could end up with as many TDs as some of those guys on your list, but most of my leagues are ppr and yardage counts for quite a bit. I'm just not a Jacobs fan regardless of this current injury. Interesting though that Lamont Jordan was drafted after all of the guys that you listed there. For every situation, you can always bring someone up that may make your point. It doesn't sound like you were that high on Jacobs either. I just don't see how he has 3rd to 4th round draft value as a TD vulture. I think Ward has proven to be enough of at least a 3rd down back to minimize Jacobs' redraft value this year. I think Jacobs replaces Droughns, not Ward.

 

[yinzer]

You could by right, but I still think Jacobs can be a solid #2 RB with the goalline touches. I think most that drafted Jacobs went in thinking he'd be out on 3rd downs. I think enough preseason doubt (could he handle the full load, which he never has done) existed to where Jacobs doesn't have to be spectacular to live up to his ADP.

I don't know where you think Jacobs' ADP was in most leagues, but he went in the mid 3rd (if not sooner) in most of the leagues where knuckleheads thought he was worth that much. Not sure how a 3rd rounder lives up to his ADP when he misses 4+ weeks and then only works on 1st and 2nd downs.

Was on my avoid list, but he was going late 3rd/early 4th in a couple redrafts I'm in.Benson L.Johnson Cadillac Thomas Jones MJD Deuce I can see him, even missing 3-4 weeks, having enough TD's to outproduce all these guys (all drafted before him). 4 of those 6 were going in Rounds 1 and 2. You could throw Bush on that list too (though I imagine he'll outproduce Jacobs).

I agree that maybe he could end up with as many TDs as some of those guys on your list, but most of my leagues are ppr and yardage counts for quite a bit. I'm just not a Jacobs fan regardless of this current injury. Interesting though that Lamont Jordan was drafted after all of the guys that you listed there. For every situation, you can always bring someone up that may make your point. It doesn't sound like you were that high on Jacobs either. I just don't see how he has 3rd to 4th round draft value as a TD vulture. I think Ward has proven to be enough of at least a 3rd down back to minimize Jacobs' redraft value this year. I think Jacobs replaces Droughns, not Ward.

Yes, hindsight is 20/20. No one even considered Jordan before round 6 or 7, so dont bring him into the discussion. Jacobs was a guy seemingly being overlooked during drafts and had he not been injured, no one would even know about Ward for the most part. Droughns was considered the backup during drafts. Outside of injury, I think its fair to say he'd produce numbers like Ward has the first few weeks, plus those TDs Droughns got last week, and maybe moreThat seem like pretty good stats through 3 weeks had he been playing. That was a freak injury, and once healthy, he should be a very nice player to have on your roster id say

 

[smackdaddies]

I am happy - then he can contribute just as well as MJD. which is better than the big zero

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Mark it down:

Marking now.

 

[Bri]

Can we all agree to "mark it down" that there's a zillion Jacobs and Ward threads and bump them instead, please. I'm looking for a Jacobs injury update and it couldn't be more frustrating to look at 5-6 threads of the same topic and see no new news. Thanks and sorry to be crabby

 

[circelli17]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

Ward still presents excellent value in a PPR league with or without Jacobs. He's scoring at a top 10 clip as is, and that's with zero TDs

 

[Brides Maids]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

I think this only significantly affects Droughns. I can see Jacobs taking over the plays Droughns was making at the goal line and during change of pace opportunities. Other than that I think Ward has earned the position with his play.

 

[bonesman]

Can we all agree to "mark it down" that there's a zillion Jacobs and Ward threads and bump them instead, please. I'm looking for a Jacobs injury update and it couldn't be more frustrating to look at 5-6 threads of the same topic and see no new news. Thanks and sorry to be crabby

Brandon Jacobs (sprained knee) returned to practice Thursday.Jacobs will likely be listed as "limited," but now has a chance to play Sunday night versus Philly. The Newark Star-Ledger believes Jacobs will share the load with Derrick Ward if he's able to go. Jacobs would be a decent flex play in TD-heavy leagues in that scenario, but make sure he works Friday. Sep. 27 - 12:19 pm etSource: Newark Star-Ledger

 

[Newslang]

I think Ward will be even more effective with Jacobs back, fantasy wise, probally not. Im a Giants fan i see a rbbc as well, Ward is a hard runner and everyone likes him.

 

[Bri]

thank you bonesman

 

[The Vision]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

This is just plain ridiculous. 1. You say Jacobs will not get 15-20 carries2. You say Ward will get 8-10 carries3. You say they will be losing most every game in the third quarter4. You have no link nor do you support your claim with anything but opinion5. You start a thread with a title that suggests fact - not opinionGet real.

 

[Phurfur]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

The better back will get the majority of the carries.

 

[GoBirds]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

You started another thread on this with absolutley nothing to back up your "prediction"? Genius.

 

[Franknbeans]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

This is just plain ridiculous. 1. You say Jacobs will not get 15-20 carries2. You say Ward will get 8-10 carries3. You say they will be losing most every game in the third quarter4. You have no link nor do you support your claim with anything but opinion5. You start a thread with a title that suggests fact - not opinionGet real.

Welcome to the board

 

[switz]

My prediction:

When Jacobs is ready to get worked back in, that will happen. Ward will get the majority, and Jacobs will get worked back in. Once Jacobs shows how ineffective he really is, he'll be limited to 5 carries or so a game, and Ward will be the feature back.

 

[timschochet]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

This is just plain ridiculous. 1. You say Jacobs will not get 15-20 carries2. You say Ward will get 8-10 carries3. You say they will be losing most every game in the third quarter4. You have no link nor do you support your claim with anything but opinion5. You start a thread with a title that suggests fact - not opinionGet real.

OF COURSE It's just my opinion. If I had proof, this would be an article for Sports Illustratred or something, not a thread on this website. I thought we're supposed to give opinions, am I wrong about this?Even though it's an opinion, I believe, based on logic. The reason I started this thread was simple: there's been 2-3 threads out there angrily arguing that when Jacobs returns, he'll get the bulk of carries. This is put out there mostly by desperate Jacobs owners, not willing to admit that they spent too high a pick on this guy. There's also been 1 or 2 threads arguing that Ward will continue to be the main man even when Jacobs comes back- this is put out there by Ward owners who don't want to lose their waiver wire steal. So the point of this thread is to tell all of you, that YOU'RE ALL WRONG! They're going to split time, neither will do enough to justify as a starting RB slot, and nobody is going to be happy.Of course, this is just my opinion. Do I really need to make this disclaimer?

 

[GoBirds]

Mark it down:Ward's done too much for Jacobs to get 15-20 carries. On the other hand, a healthy Jacobs won't be ignored. To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...My prediction? A true RBBC with 8-10 carries for each guy, plus a few for Droughns as well. Nobody's going to like this one at all...

This is just plain ridiculous. 1. You say Jacobs will not get 15-20 carries2. You say Ward will get 8-10 carries3. You say they will be losing most every game in the third quarter4. You have no link nor do you support your claim with anything but opinion5. You start a thread with a title that suggests fact - not opinionGet real.

do you really need to start a new thread about it when there's already 5? OF COURSE It's just my opinion. If I had proof, this would be an article for Sports Illustratred or something, not a thread on this website. I thought we're supposed to give opinions, am I wrong about this?Even though it's an opinion, I believe, based on logic. The reason I started this thread was simple: there's been 2-3 threads out there angrily arguing that when Jacobs returns, he'll get the bulk of carries. This is put out there mostly by desperate Jacobs owners, not willing to admit that they spent too high a pick on this guy. There's also been 1 or 2 threads arguing that Ward will continue to be the main man even when Jacobs comes back- this is put out there by Ward owners who don't want to lose their waiver wire steal. So the point of this thread is to tell all of you, that YOU'RE ALL WRONG! They're going to split time, neither will do enough to justify as a starting RB slot, and nobody is going to be happy.Of course, this is just my opinion. Do I really need to make this disclaimer?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

 

[Crusaderfan]

Since this thread is all about predictions. I'm predicting, worst case scenario, is a Jones/Barber arrangement with Ward being Jones and Jacobs being Barber. I'll be ok with that as a guy that got Jacobs in round 5. I actually think it will be a lot of Jacobs once he is healthy. The Giants still don't know what they have in Jacobs and as their playoff hopes start to dwindle - they will try to see if Jacobs is in fact a full-timer.

Again, like everyone else - NO facts just speculation.

 

[The Jerk]

...angrily arguing that when Jacobs returns, he'll get the bulk of carries. This is put out there mostly by desperate Jacobs owners, not willing to admit that they spent too high a pick on this guy. ...

For the most part, I haven't seen anger, and I would think you would respect the OPINIONS of these people, even though they are different from yours.Also, it's easy with hindsight to state that people spent too high a draft pick on Jacobs. I don't believe fantasy owners can be blamed when a lineman rolls into their RBs leg. Even if Jacobs becomes the majority RB on the Giants, the injury will have hurt these teams early in the season. I assume you would also blame McAllister owners for wasting a draft pick, or perhaps Andre Johnson owners if it turns out he misses several more games.Perhaps when you discuss your players, you are looking to make them look better than they are. I tend to go the opposite direction. Maybe I'm pessimistic or overcorrecting in case of bias, but I've learned that I am better served by reality and objective opinions. Cheerleading doesn't help my team. Learning when to cut a player and move on does. While I don't doubt the "cheerleading" happens, I expect many Jacobs owners are following similar approaches to mine here.

 

[The Jerk]

Since this thread is all about predictions. I'm predicting, worst case scenario, is a Jones/Barber arrangement with Ward being Jones and Jacobs being Barber.

I'll give you this much: that's a new spin.I don't know what it means at all, but it's a new spin.

 

[GoBirds]

Jacobs practiced today.

 

[Harjiran]

Does anyone know if Ward practiced today? Prior to today at least, he hasn't practiced this week and he's listed as doubtful on the site my league uses.

 

[Crusaderfan]

Since this thread is all about predictions. I'm predicting, worst case scenario, is a Jones/Barber arrangement with Ward being Jones and Jacobs being Barber.

I'll give you this much: that's a new spin.I don't know what it means at all, but it's a new spin.

Well...... I think that worst case Ward and Jacobs will be used the same way that Dallas is using J. Jones and M. Barber.

 

[mrspree15]

Since this thread is all about predictions. I'm predicting, worst case scenario, is a Jones/Barber arrangement with Ward being Jones and Jacobs being Barber.

I'll give you this much: that's a new spin.I don't know what it means at all, but it's a new spin.

Well...... I think that worst case Ward and Jacobs will be used the same way that Dallas is using J. Jones and M. Barber.

Worst case for who, Ward or Jacobs?

 

[The Vision]

This is put out there mostly by desperate Jacobs owners, not willing to admit that they spent too high a pick on this guy. There's also been 1 or 2 threads arguing that Ward will continue to be the main man even when Jacobs comes back- this is put out there by Ward owners who don't want to lose their waiver wire steal.

I think you are assuming too much here. Is there some reason that you think people who rostered Jacobs did not handcuff Ward? and

To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...

What makes you say this? The Giants games have been tight at the half this year.

So the point of this thread is to tell all of you, that YOU'RE ALL WRONG! They're going to split time, neither will do enough to justify as a starting RB slot, and nobody is going to be happy.

Also, could you go into detail as to why you think it is going to be this way?

 

[DoubleG]

Does anyone know if Ward practiced today? Prior to today at least, he hasn't practiced this week and he's listed as doubtful on the site my league uses.

Both practiced:

Derrick Ward (ankle) took part in a fully-padded practice Thursday.Brandon Jacobs (sprained knee) returned to practice Thursday.

Per Rotoworld

 

[Crusaderfan]

Since this thread is all about predictions. I'm predicting, worst case scenario, is a Jones/Barber arrangement with Ward being Jones and Jacobs being Barber.

I'll give you this much: that's a new spin.I don't know what it means at all, but it's a new spin.

Well...... I think that worst case Ward and Jacobs will be used the same way that Dallas is using J. Jones and M. Barber.

Worst case for who, Ward or Jacobs?

Sorry. I was thinking Jacobs. In my mind, that is the best case for Ward. Jacobs came out of training camp the feature running back. Right now, the only reason he is not the feature running back was due to a freak injury during game one.

 

[The Jerk]

Sorry. I was thinking Jacobs. In my mind, that is the best case for Ward. Jacobs came out of training camp the feature running back. Right now, the only reason he is not the feature running back was due to a freak injury during game one.

Thanks. Not so confusing now.

 

[timschochet]

This is put out there mostly by desperate Jacobs owners, not willing to admit that they spent too high a pick on this guy. There's also been 1 or 2 threads arguing that Ward will continue to be the main man even when Jacobs comes back- this is put out there by Ward owners who don't want to lose their waiver wire steal.

I think you are assuming too much here. Is there some reason that you think people who rostered Jacobs did not handcuff Ward? and

To make matters worse, the Giants are going to be behind a lot in the 3rd qtr, and the running game will be thrown out with the bathwater...

What makes you say this? The Giants games have been tight at the half this year.

So the point of this thread is to tell all of you, that YOU'RE ALL WRONG! They're going to split time, neither will do enough to justify as a starting RB slot, and nobody is going to be happy.

Also, could you go into detail as to why you think it is going to be this way?

To answer your questions:1. Most people who had Jacobs handcuffed Droughns, not Ward, so I am led to believe by some of the threads here. It was only after Jacobs got hurt and Ward did well in the same game that he became a top waiver-wire pick. I'm guessing that in most leagues he was the first or 2nd player taken in waivers in week 1 (Chris Brown was the other choice) because its so hard to find starting RB's. This means that in most leagues, you're going to have one team with Jacobs, and another team with Ward, and so far the latter has been happy with the results.2. The Giants have been close at halftime but they haven't been ahead, and it's been my observation that they seem to throw more in the 2nd half (I admit I could be wrong on this; if someone knows the truth and it contradicts me, I stand corrected.)3. Ward's been too good to suddenly be reduced to a backup. Too much invested in Jacobs to be a backup. So RBBC. In the case of New Orleans last year (or Dallas this year?) that could be OK for both guys. But I simply don't think this offense is going to be as explosive as those two offenses, which means not enough points to share between the two. That's why I'm arguing that nobody wins here.This seems a little foolish to repeat again, but this is of course only my personal opinion. I do not speak for the NY Giants organization. Hopefully that satisfies some of you out there that apparently believe all of these threads need to be fact-driven!

 

[The Vision]

This seems a little foolish to repeat again, but this is of course only my personal opinion. I do not speak for the NY Giants organization. Hopefully that satisfies some of you out there that apparently believe all of these threads need to be fact-driven!

It's all good. I come to these boards to get info - which is why I clicked on this thread. I was looking for some fact-driven reason I should be worried about Jacobs and Ward (as your title suggests) since I have them both rostered.

1. Most people who had Jacobs handcuffed Droughns, not Ward

Where are you getting this from? I would wager that many of the members of these boards had Ward pegged as the handcuff and not Ruben.

 

[yinzer]

Since this thread is all about predictions. I'm predicting, worst case scenario, is a Jones/Barber arrangement with Ward being Jones and Jacobs being Barber.

I'll give you this much: that's a new spin.I don't know what it means at all, but it's a new spin.

Since injury, this is what ive been thinking all alongJacobs has always been the goalline back, he's not losing that to the fullback/RB, so no worries..others can dwindle, but no one else can wander around here and still maintain...bc...BJacobs is the NYG main back.Also, despite the fact that Ward has produced, BJ will outproduce him and maintain his job.I cant guaratee it, but I believe it

 

[Big Score]

1. Most people who had Jacobs handcuffed Droughns, not Ward

Where are you getting this from? I would wager that many of the members of these boards had Ward pegged as the handcuff and not Ruben.

Unless you know the breakdown of when all the members of this board hold their drafts, I wouldn't make that wager if I were you.In the early offseason here at FBG's, there was much spirited discussion as to the Droughns signing it's impact on Jacobs. There were many posters expressing concerns that Droughns could substantially eat into Jocobs carries. For members here who are in leagues with early drafts, Droughns was 100% the handcuff for Jacobs.It was only much closer to the season that we learned Ward was Jacobs back up & believe it or not it was John Madden, of all people, who broke that news.