Warner contemplates playing Sunday (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

Warner contemplates playing Sunday

Kurt Warner, QB ARI

News: Three days after he tore a ligament in his left elbow, Cardinals QB Kurt Warner hopes he'll play Sunday (Week 7) at Washington. It's too early to tell whether he will. "Would I love to play on Sunday? Sure I would," Warner said after limited participation in Wednesday's practice. "I'm going to go forward with the idea that I can. But we've just got to weigh all the options and make sure that it's something that I can do."

Analysis: Warner said doctors told him he's not risking a worse injury by playing. The biggest issue, Warner said, may be finding the right brace. Warner tried several at practice, but had trouble finding one that provided enough support for the badly swollen joint on his non-throwing arm. He said it was most painful when he extended his arm to hand off, but that throwing isn't a problem. Continue to monitor Warner's status, but at this point expect him to be out of your starting lineup until Week 9 the earliest. When healthy, Warner can be a viable No. 1 Fantasy QB when the matchups appear favorable. Against the Redskins he would have been a No. 2 Fantasy QB.

 

[valhallan]

Interesting, but the Redskins are a tough match-up... I really hope he sits out and comes back in week 9.

 

[The Jerk]

I wish he'd have contemplated playing last Sunday.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Is everyone holding onto him or cutting him? What kind of recovery/timeline can we honestly expect? They have a week 8 bye, so I'm betting we don't see him till at least week 9...

 

[Da Guru]

What is the big deal? It is his non thowing elbow.

 

[thayman]

What is the big deal? It is his non thowing elbow.

fumbling I would assume.

 

[Da Guru]

What is the big deal? It is his non thowing elbow.

fumbling I would assume.

Warner fumbles with two healthy elbows.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Is everyone holding onto him or cutting him? What kind of recovery/timeline can we honestly expect? They have a week 8 bye, so I'm betting we don't see him till at least week 9...

Definitely holding. If he's talking about playing Sunday, at worst he comes back in 2 weeks. Those that have crappy QBBC's (see Young/Rivers) he still holds value, IMO. If not, then you have a late season guy to drop.2 cents.

 

[Mozeta]

What is the big deal? It is his non thowing elbow.

He does have fumbling problems, but this will also make it very difficult to hand off to the RB on that side leading to even more fumbling problems which would also put him on a short leash by the coach.

 

[MooseCats]

What is the big deal? It is his non thowing elbow.

I hope that you are not serious. If so, then you have obviously never torn anything besides paper in your life. Warner is a tough competitor. He made it through the playoffs and the Super Bowl in "99 with broken ribs. Despite what everyone may think Warner is a class act and a tough guy. That being said, I hope he waits until after the bye to come back.

 

[Sopranos]

Over the last 3 seasons he averages 1 fumble per game. I would think this would only only cause more of that. If they think that its less of a risk than the picks Rattay will throw then he should start...

 

[fflnut]

Agree with the previous poster that said if he's contemplating it now, he'll definitely be back after the bye. Three of the four leagues I'm in people have dumped him for a hot waiver pickup this week. I'm going to snag him in a few leagues I'm weak at QB (have Huard since Leftwich got hurt).

 

[kingmalaki]

I think I'm holding. My other QB's are Hass & Cutler, so I need a dude who could go studly at times.......

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm holding onto him for the stretch of game starting week 10.

10. DET

11. CIN

12. SF

13. CLE

14. SEA

15. NO

16. ATL

If Warner can get back healthy enough to play and Fitz and Boldin are healthy at this point he could have some value at the important time of the year. Particularly weeks 15 and 16 where Zona might still be in the post season hunt and NO and ATL will likely be done. If it doesn't work on, oh well. But if Warner can get hot that's a schedule that he could post some very large numbers against.

 

[shadyridr]

just picked up WAS defense

 

[lowman2]

One thing about it if he does play this week he will be on a ton of waiver wires next week. I see Wash. puttting up huge Def. #'s this week.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I'm very surprised to hear this. I thought he'd be lost for at least 3-5 weeks. With the poor play of the Rams, Niners, and Seahawks, you'd think they'd take a chance and get Warner healthy for a potential playoff run. He's probably going to exacerbate the injury on the first series if he's so tender he can't hand the ball off without pain.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I see Warner with wounded wing as a trainwreck if he plays in Wash this week. He will get hit and his ability to protect the ball with just one hand will expose him to re-injury. The much smarter move is for AZ to play Rattay again and at least have Warner more stablized 2 weeks from now (although I'm still skeptical of his staying power as torn ligaments don't heal on their own).

 

[Kiddnets]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Kurt Warner (elbow) is considered "probable" to start against the Redskins in Week 7.

Warner's prayer paid off. Doctors originally feared that Warner might miss six-to-eight weeks, but he's made such impressive progress that the Cardinals expect him, not Tim Rattay, to start Sunday. It would be great news for Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and the entire Arizona attack. Oct.

 

[shadyridr]

Damn so I guess WAS defense isnt such a good play now

 

[The Jerk]

I see Warner with wounded wing as a trainwreck if he plays in Wash this week. He will get hit and his ability to protect the ball with just one hand will expose him to re-injury. The much smarter move is for AZ to play Rattay again and at least have Warner more stablized 2 weeks from now (although I'm still skeptical of his staying power as torn ligaments don't heal on their own).

I would think there is a pretty solid form-fitting brace that would help somewhat. He's going to have a lot of pain no matter what.To me, the NFC West is so craptastic that it would seem to be in the team's long-term interest to keep Warner off the field until Week 9. Maybe it's different if Leinart could be back later in the season, but losing Warner would seem to be the end of any legitimate playoff hopes.

 

[The Jerk]

Damn so I guess WAS defense isnt such a good play now

I don't think it changes too much. Warner -- if he plays -- is always good for a couple of turnovers, and you'd think the game plan for Arizona will be more conservative to try to prevent him from taking too many hits. Of course, if he doesn't play, you're right back where you were when you acquired WASH's D.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What is the big deal? It is his non thowing elbow.

He does have fumbling problems, but this will also make it very difficult to hand off to the RB on that side leading to even more fumbling problems which would also put him on a short leash by the coach.

I think he'll play.With that said, I do wonder how he handle the handing off. He said he was doing that pretty well in practice.No idea if he'll go this route or not, but I've seen QBs work it out so they use the same hand for handing off to both sides. Just recently, Eric Ainge at Tennessee was doing this as he had a broken finger on his right hand. He used his left hand for all handoffs. For handoffs to the left, he did a funky sort of handoff that worked pretty well but I do there was at least one muffed handoff.I suspect Warner will hand off as normal.J

 

[Card Trader]

Everyone gives Warner a lot of crap, but this guy, while being injured is extremely tough. If you saw the pictures of what happened to his arm last week, the thought of him even playing in 4 weeks would have seemed far fetched. If he has time he's still the most accurate QB in the league, not even Manning hits his receivers in stride the way an upright Warner does.

 

[Raider Nation]

Damn so I guess WAS defense isnt such a good play now

Why? And unless you're in a 2-team league, the Skins defense should not have been on the WW in the first place.

 

[Wadsworth]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

 

[shadyridr]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

I think the doc said he cant hurt his elbow worse by playing. And the Cards are 3-3 and need every win they can get to make the playoffs or win the division.

 

[sholditch]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

 

[massraider]

If Warner plays, it is proof positive that Jesus wants my team to win.

 

[Wadsworth]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

 

[Rogi]

Is everyone holding onto him or cutting him? What kind of recovery/timeline can we honestly expect? They have a week 8 bye, so I'm betting we don't see him till at least week 9...

Holding. I guess its different depending on your FF teams QB situation, but I was probably going to sit him against Washington this week anyway and he's on a bye next week. Assuming he's back by week 9, then its really not an impact to my team.

 

[moderated]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

He's not risking further injury by playing.

 

[shadyridr]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

Analysis: Warner said doctors told him he's not risking a worse injury by playing.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I read somewhere that they may use warner the way they used him when Matt L was playing...in a 2 minute offence situation

 

[fatness]

Gregg Williams's defense hasn't blitzed much this year.

Yet.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

He's not risking further injury by playing.

This is the most "overused" and factually inaccurrate statement with respect to sports injuries. First off, a direct hit to the injuried area will cause additional trauma and inflammation. Playing with any sort of serious injury (which torn elbow ligaments seem to be, at least to me) frequently leads to compensating in other ways, thus greatly increasing the likelihood that another body part becomes injured due to such compensation as muscles and tendons are now used in a way different than the way that they have been conditioned from a muscle memory standpoint -- this is the "cascade effect" at work.

 

[moderated]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

He's not risking further injury by playing.

This is the most "overused" and factually inaccurrate statement with respect to sports injuries. First off, a direct hit to the injuried area will cause additional trauma and inflammation. Playing with any sort of serious injury (which torn elbow ligaments seem to be, at least to me) frequently leads to compensating in other ways, thus greatly increasing the likelihood that another body part becomes injured due to such compensation as muscles and tendons are now used in a way different than the way that they have been conditioned from a muscle memory standpoint -- this is the "cascade effect" at work.

I disagree with everything you said regarding Warners specific injury.Warner said doctors told him he's not risking a worse injury by playing.Doctors usually don't lie to their patients.

 

[shadyridr]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

He's not risking further injury by playing.

This is the most "overused" and factually inaccurrate statement with respect to sports injuries. First off, a direct hit to the injuried area will cause additional trauma and inflammation. Playing with any sort of serious injury (which torn elbow ligaments seem to be, at least to me) frequently leads to compensating in other ways, thus greatly increasing the likelihood that another body part becomes injured due to such compensation as muscles and tendons are now used in a way different than the way that they have been conditioned from a muscle memory standpoint -- this is the "cascade effect" at work.

Thanks doc

 

[Wilbur Wood]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

He's not risking further injury by playing.

\This is the most "overused" and factually inaccurrate statement with respect to sports injuries. First off, a direct hit to the injuried area will cause additional trauma and inflammation. Playing with any sort of serious injury (which torn elbow ligaments seem to be, at least to me) frequently leads to compensating in other ways, thus greatly increasing the likelihood that another body part becomes injured due to such compensation as muscles and tendons are now used in a way different than the way that they have been conditioned from a muscle memory standpoint -- this is the "cascade effect" at work.

I disagree with everything you said regarding Warners specific injury.Warner said doctors told him he's not risking a worse injury by playing.Doctors usually don't lie to their patients.

You and the Shady Rider go and ask someone who evaluates sports injuries for a living like Will Carroll or go ahead and off-hand quotes out of Rotoworld clip.

 

[shadyridr]

WTF is Will Carroll?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

WTF is Will Carroll?

He writes for Baseball Prospectus & Football Prospectus. Appears from time to time on ESPN, On the Sunday a.m. fantasy show as a guest "the Medicine Man".Probably the top "sports injury analyst" in the business.

 

[Wadsworth]

You would think this would be a classic "bench him this week with the bye next, he'll have 3 weeks to heal" situation. I'm not sure why the Cards would want to rush Warner back. The other teams in that divison will likely still be poor to average week 9, why hurry? If Warner isn't close to being able to handle 100% for his QB duties, starting him this week would seem a mistake. There's something to be said for just taking your lumps from the Skins and using the bye week to heal up and regroup for the second half.

Because they want to win?

Miami wants to win against the Pats this weekend. Every team wants to win. The question is if starting Warner this week improves their chance of winning this week enough to risk further injury to Warner and therefore possibly lowering their chance of success later. Of course the Cards want to win, but this would seem to be a play to win the battle or play to win the war type of situation.

He's not risking further injury by playing.

This is the most "overused" and factually inaccurrate statement with respect to sports injuries. First off, a direct hit to the injuried area will cause additional trauma and inflammation. Playing with any sort of serious injury (which torn elbow ligaments seem to be, at least to me) frequently leads to compensating in other ways, thus greatly increasing the likelihood that another body part becomes injured due to such compensation as muscles and tendons are now used in a way different than the way that they have been conditioned from a muscle memory standpoint -- this is the "cascade effect" at work.

Nice post. Of course when you play with a partial tear you risk greater injury. Seriously, think beyond some quote in a blurb. He is injured, if he plays with the injury and that area get hit again it's could to get worse. If you play with a sprained ankle you aren't risking further injury... unless you turn your ankle again. Then it could end up much worse.

 

[Yenrub]

Warner suffers set back

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Warner suffers setback, status questionableMark Heller, TribuneCardinals quarterback Kurt Warner went through a third consecutive day of practice Friday with a brace on his left elbow, but said it didn't feel as well as Thursday.His status remains questionable entering Sunday's game at Washington.Tim Rattay would be the likely starter if Warner can't play, with newly signed Tim Hasselbeck as the backup."He did a couple things here and there but it's going to be how it feels on Sunday," Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said of Warner. "That's what it's going to come down to."Warner and safety Adrian Wilson remain questionable on the team's injury report. Wilson said earlier in the week he plans on playing, and Whisenhunt said it's gotten better during the week, but wants his Pro Bowl safety to test it Sunday morning.With backup safety Aaron Francisco also out, Whisenhunt said Oliver Celestin and Matt Ware would see action if Wilson doesn't play."You never know with a hamstring," Whisenhunt said. "You don't want to stress it too much in practice so when he comes out Sunday we'll work him out ahead of time."The news was a bit clearer for offensive tackle Levi Brown, who's missed three games with an ankle injury, but went through the majority of Friday's practice.Though he's likely to play Sunday, Whisenhunt wouldn't say how much the team's rookie first-round pick will play."He will (start) at some point, I don't know if it would be this week," Whisenhunt said. "It's hard when you come back off an injury and haven't had full reps as a starter."Defensive end Joe Tafoya (hamstring) is also a game-time decision.