jwb
Footballguy
Very well could be. And it's worth discussing / detective work. But before we start blasting the guy as guilty in public and calling for more facebook slander pages, let's be sure.
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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Both of them were in my dynasty league and more than one person made the connection of them sounding exactly the same. Allan claims ignorance of all of Aquil's actions, but considering all that has occurred I had to play it safe and kick both of them out. Assuming they are in fact two different people.
randylahey
Footballguy
I've chatted with Allan Via gmail chat during our draft for trades, but it was brief. For all I know it could've been Aquil. Regardless, if Allan is his own person and is innocent of wrong doing, he'd be much more active in helping us track down the real commish, as he would likely have a stake in the funds as well. Bottom line is either Allan IS Aquil or they're in on it together. Please blast Allan just as you would Aquil.Also, I contacted MFL and alerted them to the leagues which Aquil and Allan Co-commished, and the fraud that took place. I also linked this thread. They were very receptive:"HI Kevin,Thanks very much for the heads up and the link to the thread on FBG forum. I appreciate your understanding of the situation. We will certainly keep an eye on his account from ourend to make sure he is not able to do any more business with us unless or until he resurfaces and makes good on his supposed desire to pay everybody back when he is able. I'llbookmark that post on FBG to keep track of the developments as well.Thanks,Mike"It's a start. Unless he changes his identity, he won't be working his scam through MFL anymore. Not many owners will join large cash leagues not on MFL, so this should be a kick in the balls if he tries to do it again.
doowain
Footballguy
You know what? I just remembered something. Kremenull was recruiting me pretty heavily for one of the Presidential leagues this past summer. Around that same time I joined BBIV and Allan was trying to talk me into it. The "recruiting" from all sides (and Kremenull's sometimes offputting behavior) is what turned me away.
randylahey
Footballguy
Another thing is that the communication with MFL confirms that Aquil is indeed a real person who paid for those sites. This is what I sent MFL
Hello:
I wanted to alert you to a scam regarding an customer of yours. This person's name is Aquil Salahudeen. He ran a string of six larger (14-16) team dynasty leagues through your
site. Most were named under Elite Presidential Suite (I, II, III, IV) He ran 2 leagues last year and was legit with payouts (a ploy to build references) then this year he ran 6 and
made off with an estimated 15-20K in league buy ins, giving an excuse that he ran into personal financial troubles and could not pay. There are over 90 members of your site
victims of the hustle. Most of Aquil's victims were found through popular sites like Footballguys.com and fantasyfootballxtreme.com. There is currently a message board topic on
footballguys that the affected parties have been using to collect information on Aquil and alert others to the hustle.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=579914
I do not expect any involvement from your end. We understand that buying into fantasy leagues is risky in any circumctances, and your site may not even promote the use of
"cash" leagues. However, we felt it was necessary to warn you so you can collect information and put an alert on your end to not allow future league purchases from this
gentleman, or his credit card number which I'm sure you have on file. His email address is oak_assassin@yahoo.com and also goes by the alias of Allan Fern. Your league
management tools have heavy influence and most people in the know only play on your site. I think it might be useful information, everyone who plays fantasy does not want to
experience something as we did on this large a scale.
Thanks
Hello:
I wanted to alert you to a scam regarding an customer of yours. This person's name is Aquil Salahudeen. He ran a string of six larger (14-16) team dynasty leagues through your
site. Most were named under Elite Presidential Suite (I, II, III, IV) He ran 2 leagues last year and was legit with payouts (a ploy to build references) then this year he ran 6 and
made off with an estimated 15-20K in league buy ins, giving an excuse that he ran into personal financial troubles and could not pay. There are over 90 members of your site
victims of the hustle. Most of Aquil's victims were found through popular sites like Footballguys.com and fantasyfootballxtreme.com. There is currently a message board topic on
footballguys that the affected parties have been using to collect information on Aquil and alert others to the hustle.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=579914
I do not expect any involvement from your end. We understand that buying into fantasy leagues is risky in any circumctances, and your site may not even promote the use of
"cash" leagues. However, we felt it was necessary to warn you so you can collect information and put an alert on your end to not allow future league purchases from this
gentleman, or his credit card number which I'm sure you have on file. His email address is oak_assassin@yahoo.com and also goes by the alias of Allan Fern. Your league
management tools have heavy influence and most people in the know only play on your site. I think it might be useful information, everyone who plays fantasy does not want to
experience something as we did on this large a scale.
Thanks
randylahey
Footballguy
Same thing happened to me, which is also why I didn't join. Also the fact that I new to 16 team Devy leagues and wanted to try one out first. But more than a few of these guys were recruited to multiple leagues
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I too find it odd that after a few days of this, we haven't heard of any escalation of the issue. Has anybody called him, called his employer, the FBI, the courthouse, or sought to receive any guarantee that he'll pay, ask him to get a cash advance on a credit card?
If I were in this, I'd want some serious form of assurance that I was getting my money. Absent that, I'd begin making calls.
If I were in this, I'd want some serious form of assurance that I was getting my money. Absent that, I'd begin making calls.
Eastwood
Footballguy
It looks like guys are trying. We are all brothers in this game we love, so hopefully everyone is joining that facebook page and giving any information they can on this crook. I think contacting MFL was a great idea, if we can't get him to pay back the money he stole, at least we can hopefully keep him from doing this to anyone else. I wonder if it would be worth forwarding this information about him to other major FF sites that host leagues?
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Is this guy owed any money in any leagues that he doesnt commish? i hope he's not getting paid from any other leagues...
thegodfather
Footballguy
Has anyone confirmed that he has used this email to communicate in his FFL's:
aquil.salahudeen@micrel.com
If you guys are 100% sure this is the guy... why not contact his co-worker?
For further assistance with any questions regarding Micrel's Universal Serial Bus products please contact:
Product Marketing Manager:
Thruston Awalt
tel: (408) 955-1678
email
USB Applications Engineer:
Aquil Salahudeen
tel: (408) 474-3614
email
aquil.salahudeen@micrel.com
If you guys are 100% sure this is the guy... why not contact his co-worker?
For further assistance with any questions regarding Micrel's Universal Serial Bus products please contact:
Product Marketing Manager:
Thruston Awalt
tel: (408) 955-1678
USB Applications Engineer:
Aquil Salahudeen
tel: (408) 474-3614
I think most of the people there on the FB page are those he owes larger sums of money to. I am guessing its not worth the time or effort for those that are just losing deposit fees. I wish this wasn't the case. I don't care if you are out a dollar. It's the principal of the matter.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not sure about gift, but If the person sending money chooses the personal tab, then clicks payment owed, the person receiving the money does not get charged a fee. I've been told that gift works the same as payment owed. However, if the person sending money just accepts the default given, then yes, the person receiving the money is charged the fee.Patoons said:
lynx4ben
Footballguy
He's in one of my leagues Broncofan. He isn't owed money but I'm replacing his team.If anyone is interested: http://football5.myfantasyleague.com/2010/...=10821&O=07
I doubt he'll be coming back considering his entry fees would go towards debts...
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Let me edit this to say I have spoken with them both over the phone and I know both of them like to bet on sporting events. I am sure Allan and Aquil are 2 different people. If I had to guess where the money went, I would guess it was gambled away. I am still on the fence regarding Allan's involvement.lynx4ben said:
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brianhatch
Footballguy
Everyone, I'm very sorry this happened to you. I've been burned twice by the same thing.
Please, please, anyone reading this. Do NOT think this can't happen to you. It happens all the time. More time than possibly gets reported.
On the other hand, it's REALLY easy to avoid.
I think about 60-70% of the money leagues out there now are using Leaguesafe.
At Paragon Fantasy Football (www.paragonfantasyfootball.com), that I help run, we use Leaguesafe for ALL of our leagues. Although we have a very strong reputation and probably could run it without Leagueasafe, we NEVER will.
You'll hear all these people running leagues that post on this site all say they don't "need to" and "won't". Well, they "won't" until you stand up for yourself and tell them that you won't play in leagues where the commissioners hold the money. When commissioners fail to fill leagues, that's when they will change their practices.
Don't decide because of this you won't play online fantasy football. There are dozens of leagues, like ours, that run good ethical businesses. But they do it through leaguesafe.com.
I've posted this before, and honestly, I get some serious "hatemail" from commissioners in the leagues that keep their own money saying I'm making it hard on them to attract new owners, and will I kindly shut the hell up. Well, as far as I'm concerned... good.
Please read this post, consider it, and make a pledge here and now, to yourself, that you won't ever play in a non-Leaguesafe.com league.
Once again, sorry to all the folks affected by the two "operators/criminals" mentioned in this thread.
Please, please, anyone reading this. Do NOT think this can't happen to you. It happens all the time. More time than possibly gets reported.
On the other hand, it's REALLY easy to avoid.
I think about 60-70% of the money leagues out there now are using Leaguesafe.
At Paragon Fantasy Football (www.paragonfantasyfootball.com), that I help run, we use Leaguesafe for ALL of our leagues. Although we have a very strong reputation and probably could run it without Leagueasafe, we NEVER will.
You'll hear all these people running leagues that post on this site all say they don't "need to" and "won't". Well, they "won't" until you stand up for yourself and tell them that you won't play in leagues where the commissioners hold the money. When commissioners fail to fill leagues, that's when they will change their practices.
Don't decide because of this you won't play online fantasy football. There are dozens of leagues, like ours, that run good ethical businesses. But they do it through leaguesafe.com.
I've posted this before, and honestly, I get some serious "hatemail" from commissioners in the leagues that keep their own money saying I'm making it hard on them to attract new owners, and will I kindly shut the hell up. Well, as far as I'm concerned... good.
Please read this post, consider it, and make a pledge here and now, to yourself, that you won't ever play in a non-Leaguesafe.com league.
Once again, sorry to all the folks affected by the two "operators/criminals" mentioned in this thread.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Not anymore they don't. Not if you use the personal side of it. They've changed in the last year. No more fees.Coin Flip said:
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
There's no fee if you send it as "money owed" either.Coin Flip said:
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Yes, he sent an email to me once with that address. That's how we have it. It was saved in my address book.
Coin Flip
Footballguy
If this is the case and Paypal if comfortable taking Fantasy league fees this way then it would be cheaper to use Paypal than leaguesafe then........I am not saying FREE makes it better I am just pointing out its cheaper
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I just talked to someone in HR. They confirmed that he still works there. I gave them the whole story. They can't confirm whether his wages are being garnished or not, because that's something they handle in payroll, not HR. But they're very interested in this, and she was going to have the head of HR call me back soon.
thegodfather
Footballguy
Freakin AWESOME...
Eastwood
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Many thanks Match. I'd hoped to make some phone calls at work today, but couldn't swing free long enough to do it.
I don't expect to get a dime of my nearly $2k back, but I still think this is worth doing. There are a lot of people here with an interest in having FF be clean. If we really do work together at this we can make an example of him.
And if anyone's doing something they need help with please contact me via PM.
I don't expect to get a dime of my nearly $2k back, but I still think this is worth doing. There are a lot of people here with an interest in having FF be clean. If we really do work together at this we can make an example of him.
And if anyone's doing something they need help with please contact me via PM.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
flc735
Footballguy
i still dont understand how we know thats his real name but...hellz yeaaaaa!
randylahey
Footballguy
As any normal company wouldThanks, I was planning on drafting a letter this weekend. Please direct them to the facebook page if they need human contacts. I think it's important, in this economy, we do everything we can to make sure the jobs are going to honest, hardworking individuals and that companies are not collapsing because dishonest employees are stealing funds. Considering the amount he stole from us, I'd be very, very concerned if I was in management for Micrel.If Aquil is any sort of remorseful human being, he'll take this as a lesson, and go get help for his gambling addiction or compulsive spending habits.
randylahey
Footballguy
One of the guys in the league sent him a personal check to Aquil's name....if somehow there's more than one Aquil Salahudeen, there will be a lack of forensic computer evidence on his work computer to make sure no innocent is harmed. I'm sure this guy managed his sites from work, considering he gave us email correspondence.People who are innocent are innocent. People who are guilty lie, cover up, and make mistakes.
EBF
Footballguy
I think the important thing is to keep exploring our options and applying pressure. Like I said earlier, I don't mind losing a small amount of cash, but I don't like the idea of letting this joker walk. From what I'm reading here, Allan and Aquil are probably two different people. If that's the case then Allan might as well cooperate because the truth is going to come out one way or another. I don't care if he's your best friend, Allan. He f'd up royally and the people in this thread aren't about to let it slide.
The fact that people got e-mails from Aquil's work address suggests that he's a real person and that kremenull = Aquil. I'm sure that his employers would be interested in knowing that he used company time and resources to swindle innocent people out of tens of thousands of dollars.
It's hard to say if this was a hustle all along or if he just couldn't handle all that money at his disposal. If it's a hustle, it looks like a bad one on the surface. He seemingly gave up way too much of his personal information to get away clean. I'm not sure it was a hustle though. Kremenull always seemed passionate about FF. He didn't draft like somebody who was planning on bailing and he remained pretty active in the leagues this season. Then again, the heavy preseason recruiting from "Aquil" and "Allan" seems more than a little suspicious in hindsight.
Maybe these two had some sort of plan to invest that money and turn a profit before the end of the season. This seems like a plausible scenario. Either way, the money is gone, but the victims aren't. I can't imagine that this is going to end well for the culprits.
The fact that people got e-mails from Aquil's work address suggests that he's a real person and that kremenull = Aquil. I'm sure that his employers would be interested in knowing that he used company time and resources to swindle innocent people out of tens of thousands of dollars.
It's hard to say if this was a hustle all along or if he just couldn't handle all that money at his disposal. If it's a hustle, it looks like a bad one on the surface. He seemingly gave up way too much of his personal information to get away clean. I'm not sure it was a hustle though. Kremenull always seemed passionate about FF. He didn't draft like somebody who was planning on bailing and he remained pretty active in the leagues this season. Then again, the heavy preseason recruiting from "Aquil" and "Allan" seems more than a little suspicious in hindsight.
Maybe these two had some sort of plan to invest that money and turn a profit before the end of the season. This seems like a plausible scenario. Either way, the money is gone, but the victims aren't. I can't imagine that this is going to end well for the culprits.
flc735
Footballguy
ok cool. i also just thought of this, if he's going to use a false name, it would make more sense to use a common american name. makes it harder to narrow in on which "bob jackson" is the one we are looking for
randylahey
Footballguy
Interesting theory, but I think if that was the case, and I was the criminal in mind, I would admit I lost the money in the stock market. Though, it takes a real dope to lose 20K in the market in 8 months, he would've had to get some HIGH RISK stocks, not like proctor and gamble.Come to think of it, if he lost it gambling, why not admit you have a problem and tell people you're working on it? I'm guessing theft, considering a loose and vague cover story. I know if I messed up that bad and lost 20K that wasn't mine gambling or through stocks, I'd try to be as honest about it as I could because I would know EVERYBODY would be coming after me. Vague cover story=buying time for getaway.But then again, I'm an honest person....so I don't have the mindset to know
Invictus~Bronte
Footballguy
Just wanted to bump this, and say good work to all of you being diligent in this. I have been in touch with a few of the league/victims and and it's good to see it not just fading away. Alot of pissed Fantasy fanatics!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
exqueeze me, but it's "payment owed" under the personal tab.
UPDATE:I have sent checks to Aquil and have spoken with both Aquil and Allan on the phone as well as having many email exchanges with them both when I ran a sports book. These are real people. My best guess this what not a scam, but the lure of easy money was too tempting. I am almost positive the money was gambled away. In which case I really hope that one or both of them get the help they need, then begin paying back what is owed. I am really shocked neither have commented in this thread.
Here is the e-mail exchange I had with Aquil and Allan over the past 2 days:
>On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net> wrote to Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com> :
As a co commish what part do you play in money disappearing in 6 leagues? This is disqusting.
>From: "ballz_dk" <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com>
To: "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:39 PM
not sure what you're asking, but he just called me today and told me
the same thing (regarding stealing the money). to say the least, i was shocked.
he held the money in all 6 leagues since day 1 of all leagues, dating
back to 3-4 years ago
> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:44 PM, "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net> wrote to Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com>:
Probably wasn't a good idea to hitch your wagon to Aquil. The disappearance of over 15k over 6 leagues won't go away quietly.
> To: "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net> from Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: co commish
Just talked to Aquil and he said he emailed you that u will be one of the the first to get paid, most likely at the end of this month
>On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:08 PM, "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net> wrote to Aquil Salahudeen<oak_assassin@yahoo.com> and Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com:
I hope this is true and if so I will let the community at footballguys know that Aquil is trying to do the right thing by starting to pay everyone back. Unfortunately, Allan, your association with Aquil as a co commish is not a good thing, you guys are getting A LOT of attention at footballguys. This isn't just going to go away. Many angry leagemates at footballguys. I hope it works out for you guys.
It's just a bad situation all the way around.
>Aquil Salahudeen wrote to Kurt Howard
Kurt,
Of all the guys in this, I'm quite surprised to see you basically leading the charge here against me. Yeah, it's a pretty screwed up situation, but one that is salvageable.
I don't even need to remind you of our prior history in this game and the amount of awards you've received from me, especially from the beginning when i didn't even know you.
Like I said, if I get cooperation in this, I fully expect to honor my commitment. It will take some time for all to get paid, all the FBG stuff can live and breathe a life of it's own.
> To: Aquil <oak_assassin@yahoo.com> from Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 10:15:50 AM
Subject: Re: co commish
Why would I lead a charge? Because I feel very betrayed and stabbed in the back
by someone I thought I could trust. Why would I lead a charge? I was counting on
that money to help my sister with medicine she can't afford. So yes I am #######
pissed off that you went and either gambled away or went on a shopping spree
with money that wasn't yours.
Not sure what you mean by prior history and amount of awards? You mean you paid
me my winnings from FOG dynasty league last year? Yes that is what a commish does.
>From Aquil<oak_assassin@yahoo.com> to Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
No. It's not that I don't understand your perspective as you have every right
to be pissed, but to instigate all that FBG stuff serves little purpose here in
getting what you want. It looks like some folks, many not even involved here,
are out to try and impact my livelihood. Choices.....we all have choices.
What I'm talking about is the 8k that I sent to you on some other #### (note: This 8k he is referring to was a gambling loss he incurred to the bookie I worked for 3 years ago). I
didn't think I'd need to spell it out. If I were out to swindle people, then
why would I have been compelled to send that to you when I barely even knew
you. The reason is because I honored my commitment.
I feel as bad as anyone here about this, but I'm not asking for sympathy just a
bit of time to set the record straight. In the end, that's all that really
matters here as everyone's assumption of what went wrong is a moot point and I
will not be consumed by this as I'll stick to my already discussed plan to honor
this entire commitment on an undefined schedule to resolve the issue.
I'll inform you first that I will be putting together an email list of the
awardees and send out periodic updates, maybe bi-weekly, of the paid out
status. Again, as I stated, I will not be consumed by this and get into
responding back and forth daily on this issue, either in msg boards or emails.
And now, it seems like whatever I state, people want to use it to fan the flames
some more. So if that's what it's come to then there will be no responses.
When you get paid, I hope it does some good for you and your family. Again,
sorry about your plight.
Hit me on my cell when you calm down a bit....
> From: Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
To: Draggin' <oak_assassin@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: co commish
Aquil,
I am just not sure what the money you paid the bookie I worked for has to do
with this situation? You paid a debt that you owed just like any of his other
customers did. Not sure what barely knowing me has to do with anything. All you
did was fulfill a promise to pay if you lost. Just as you were paid when you
won.
As far as the FBGs stuff goes, I didn't get involved to "get what I want."
I got involved to let people know to not
get involved with any league that doesn't use LeagueSafe and to make the fantasy
football community at FBGs aware that there are people out there like you that will be
tempted by the lure of easy money that is not theirs. I don't think you realize
how many people you are hurting. Some people were counting on that money.
Especially me with my current situation with my sister.
If you make good on promises to start paying back money, then as I mentioned, I
will lead the charge to help clear your name by letting the community at FBGs know that you
are doing the right thing and paying off the 15K + that is owed to the team owners from your 6 leagues.
> From Draggin' <oak_assassin@yahoo.com> to Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
The point is I paid what I owed and will do the same this time around as well.
Alright man, enough said.
Here is the e-mail exchange I had with Aquil and Allan over the past 2 days:
>On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net> wrote to Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com> :
As a co commish what part do you play in money disappearing in 6 leagues? This is disqusting.
>From: "ballz_dk" <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com>
To: "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:39 PM
not sure what you're asking, but he just called me today and told me
the same thing (regarding stealing the money). to say the least, i was shocked.
he held the money in all 6 leagues since day 1 of all leagues, dating
back to 3-4 years ago
> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:44 PM, "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net> wrote to Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com>:
Probably wasn't a good idea to hitch your wagon to Aquil. The disappearance of over 15k over 6 leagues won't go away quietly.
> To: "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net> from Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: co commish
Just talked to Aquil and he said he emailed you that u will be one of the the first to get paid, most likely at the end of this month
>On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:08 PM, "Kurt Howard" <kurt.howard@cox.net> wrote to Aquil Salahudeen<oak_assassin@yahoo.com> and Allan Fernandez <ballzofsteel.ffl@gmail.com:
I hope this is true and if so I will let the community at footballguys know that Aquil is trying to do the right thing by starting to pay everyone back. Unfortunately, Allan, your association with Aquil as a co commish is not a good thing, you guys are getting A LOT of attention at footballguys. This isn't just going to go away. Many angry leagemates at footballguys. I hope it works out for you guys.
It's just a bad situation all the way around.
>Aquil Salahudeen wrote to Kurt Howard
Kurt,
Of all the guys in this, I'm quite surprised to see you basically leading the charge here against me. Yeah, it's a pretty screwed up situation, but one that is salvageable.
I don't even need to remind you of our prior history in this game and the amount of awards you've received from me, especially from the beginning when i didn't even know you.
Like I said, if I get cooperation in this, I fully expect to honor my commitment. It will take some time for all to get paid, all the FBG stuff can live and breathe a life of it's own.
> To: Aquil <oak_assassin@yahoo.com> from Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 10:15:50 AM
Subject: Re: co commish
Why would I lead a charge? Because I feel very betrayed and stabbed in the back
by someone I thought I could trust. Why would I lead a charge? I was counting on
that money to help my sister with medicine she can't afford. So yes I am #######
pissed off that you went and either gambled away or went on a shopping spree
with money that wasn't yours.
Not sure what you mean by prior history and amount of awards? You mean you paid
me my winnings from FOG dynasty league last year? Yes that is what a commish does.
>From Aquil<oak_assassin@yahoo.com> to Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
No. It's not that I don't understand your perspective as you have every right
to be pissed, but to instigate all that FBG stuff serves little purpose here in
getting what you want. It looks like some folks, many not even involved here,
are out to try and impact my livelihood. Choices.....we all have choices.
What I'm talking about is the 8k that I sent to you on some other #### (note: This 8k he is referring to was a gambling loss he incurred to the bookie I worked for 3 years ago). I
didn't think I'd need to spell it out. If I were out to swindle people, then
why would I have been compelled to send that to you when I barely even knew
you. The reason is because I honored my commitment.
I feel as bad as anyone here about this, but I'm not asking for sympathy just a
bit of time to set the record straight. In the end, that's all that really
matters here as everyone's assumption of what went wrong is a moot point and I
will not be consumed by this as I'll stick to my already discussed plan to honor
this entire commitment on an undefined schedule to resolve the issue.
I'll inform you first that I will be putting together an email list of the
awardees and send out periodic updates, maybe bi-weekly, of the paid out
status. Again, as I stated, I will not be consumed by this and get into
responding back and forth daily on this issue, either in msg boards or emails.
And now, it seems like whatever I state, people want to use it to fan the flames
some more. So if that's what it's come to then there will be no responses.
When you get paid, I hope it does some good for you and your family. Again,
sorry about your plight.
Hit me on my cell when you calm down a bit....
> From: Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
To: Draggin' <oak_assassin@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: co commish
Aquil,
I am just not sure what the money you paid the bookie I worked for has to do
with this situation? You paid a debt that you owed just like any of his other
customers did. Not sure what barely knowing me has to do with anything. All you
did was fulfill a promise to pay if you lost. Just as you were paid when you
won.
As far as the FBGs stuff goes, I didn't get involved to "get what I want."
I got involved to let people know to not
get involved with any league that doesn't use LeagueSafe and to make the fantasy
football community at FBGs aware that there are people out there like you that will be
tempted by the lure of easy money that is not theirs. I don't think you realize
how many people you are hurting. Some people were counting on that money.
Especially me with my current situation with my sister.
If you make good on promises to start paying back money, then as I mentioned, I
will lead the charge to help clear your name by letting the community at FBGs know that you
are doing the right thing and paying off the 15K + that is owed to the team owners from your 6 leagues.
> From Draggin' <oak_assassin@yahoo.com> to Kurt Howard <kurt.howard@cox.net>
The point is I paid what I owed and will do the same this time around as well.
Alright man, enough said.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Guy doesn't seem to realise the gravity of what he's done in the slightest.
oukurt
Footballguy
Agreed but I think there is a chance that he will make good on his promises of paying everyone back. I will keep everyone posted with any future correspondence betwen Aquail, Allan, and myself on the matter.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
No offense as im sure you want to believe in him, but a guy who deletes all his personal information has no intention of paying you back.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm tempted to contact lawyers close to his residence and start a civil suit. I'm only owed $125, but that's not the point. We have to stop these idiots. Obviously I don't care about the money. I care about JUSTICE !!! I think I will google Lawyers close to his residence.
oukurt
Footballguy
As I mentioned, for me this has less to do with the money now and more to do with informing the fantasy football comminity of this problem that seems to be happening more frequently. People need to know that there will be consequences.As far as him deleting his personal info. We have all the info we need.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I just left a message with 3 law firms close to where he lives. It's a group thing, not just me. Let's see where this goes.
If they call back I'll need someone from each league to act as a Representative from that league to give me specific info regarding fees paid and money won. This will be imperative if they call back.
Maybe it's good time to start providing this info now.
If they call back I'll need someone from each league to act as a Representative from that league to give me specific info regarding fees paid and money won. This will be imperative if they call back.
Maybe it's good time to start providing this info now.
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No Way Jose
Footballguy
I guess I should change my sig now....
oukurt
Footballguy
Here is the league entry fee/payout info for Field of Green
http://www17.myfantasyleague.com/2010/home/41471
League Fees/Payout
League Entry Fee Schedule (5 year commitment)
1st Year - $300 + ($150 deposit)
2nd Year - $300 + ($75 deposit)
3rd Year - $250
4th Year - $225
5th Year - $200
6th Year…….League vote on whether to continue league with a re-draft, or continue with status quo (which must be unanimous)
Payouts (Each Season)
League Champion - $1900 - Aquil Salahudeen
Runner-up - $950 - Kurt Howard
3rd Place - $350 - Allan Fernando or Fernandez (co commish)
Consolation Prize (BCS Bowl) - $70 - Charles Roth
Reg. Season Total Pts Leader - $120 - Allan Fern
Reg. Season Total Pts 2nd Pl. - $60 - Kurt Howard
Bonus Prize (Weeks 11 – 13 Scoring Leaders)
$30 each week - Allan Fern, Allen Fern, Andrew Martin
League Site Maintenance Fees - $60
$3600 Payout, $0 Commish Fees
League Entry Fee Schedule (5 year commitment)
1st Year - $300 + ($150 deposit)
2nd Year - $300 + ($75 deposit) - TOTAL OF 225 for the 11 owners not including Aquil
I will add fees sent this season that anyone sent to Aquil for future traded draft picks. If I missed anything let me know.
http://www17.myfantasyleague.com/2010/home/41471
League Fees/Payout
League Entry Fee Schedule (5 year commitment)
1st Year - $300 + ($150 deposit)
2nd Year - $300 + ($75 deposit)
3rd Year - $250
4th Year - $225
5th Year - $200
6th Year…….League vote on whether to continue league with a re-draft, or continue with status quo (which must be unanimous)
Payouts (Each Season)
League Champion - $1900 - Aquil Salahudeen
Runner-up - $950 - Kurt Howard
3rd Place - $350 - Allan Fernando or Fernandez (co commish)
Consolation Prize (BCS Bowl) - $70 - Charles Roth
Reg. Season Total Pts Leader - $120 - Allan Fern
Reg. Season Total Pts 2nd Pl. - $60 - Kurt Howard
Bonus Prize (Weeks 11 – 13 Scoring Leaders)
$30 each week - Allan Fern, Allen Fern, Andrew Martin
League Site Maintenance Fees - $60
$3600 Payout, $0 Commish Fees
League Entry Fee Schedule (5 year commitment)
1st Year - $300 + ($150 deposit)
2nd Year - $300 + ($75 deposit) - TOTAL OF 225 for the 11 owners not including Aquil
I will add fees sent this season that anyone sent to Aquil for future traded draft picks. If I missed anything let me know.
oukurt
Footballguy
Good idea. If we can get an owner from each league to start adding payouts/money owed from each league, that would be a great help. I added the this information for FOG above.
Boom Switch
Footballguy
All im owed is my deposit money in Pres 2. I want it back so i can move on...
flc735
Footballguy
pres suite elite dynasty 1 (i dont see a number, so im guessing its #1. league started this year)
$100 per season with deposits collected the first two seasons
Year 1 - $100 annual + $50 deposit
Year 2 - $100 annual + $25 deposit
Year 3 - $100 annual
Year 4 - $75 (deposit in account covers the balance for the annual fee)
Year 5 - $50
$100 annual entry x 16 teams = $1600 yearly payout
Reg. Season Total Pts Leader - $100 dave dunlop
Conference VP Leaders - $75 each dave dunlop, benjamin lake
1st Pl - $525 dave dunlop
2nd Pl - $320 benjamin lake
3rd Pl - $220 neal (radcon)
4th Pl - $110 kevin cooky
5th Pl - $75 frankie chico
Conso Bowl - $40 ???
League Site Fees - $60
Total Payout = $1600
....................................................................
wow! we didn't even have a conso bowl, none of us even noticed. alan was the highest VP owner to not make the playoffs
guys, feel free to double check. i was a little confused about the playoff format. +$50 owned to all of us for deposits
$100 per season with deposits collected the first two seasons
Year 1 - $100 annual + $50 deposit
Year 2 - $100 annual + $25 deposit
Year 3 - $100 annual
Year 4 - $75 (deposit in account covers the balance for the annual fee)
Year 5 - $50
$100 annual entry x 16 teams = $1600 yearly payout
Reg. Season Total Pts Leader - $100 dave dunlop
Conference VP Leaders - $75 each dave dunlop, benjamin lake
1st Pl - $525 dave dunlop
2nd Pl - $320 benjamin lake
3rd Pl - $220 neal (radcon)
4th Pl - $110 kevin cooky
5th Pl - $75 frankie chico
Conso Bowl - $40 ???
League Site Fees - $60
Total Payout = $1600
....................................................................
wow! we didn't even have a conso bowl, none of us even noticed. alan was the highest VP owner to not make the playoffs
guys, feel free to double check. i was a little confused about the playoff format. +$50 owned to all of us for deposits
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
For the Lawyers:
Guys, I'm only interested in a final total from each league. If we need to get to the detail level later we will, but not now. I'm asking each REP from each league to post money owed which includes winnings + deposits only thanks.
Guys, I'm only interested in a final total from each league. If we need to get to the detail level later we will, but not now. I'm asking each REP from each league to post money owed which includes winnings + deposits only thanks.
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