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Warrick Dunn to Tampa (1 Viewer)
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Weiner Dog
Footballguy
With the Bennett and Dunn signing, I think it's safe to assume that Cadillac Williams is toast.
Brutis
Footballguy
Graham owners should be feeling really good
Golden Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
His career is pretty much Dunn. Can't expect a whole lot more than 3rd down action.
One is perennially on the injury list and the other is old as dirt. I would hardly call the signing of either of these guys a nail in the coffin of Carnell Williams' career.If anything, it seems to me like they are just stopgap measures until Caddy gets healthy or new talent is drafted. Graham owners should indeed be happy for the time being though.
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Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
No argument there. Anything more than a token appearance here and there from him in the second half of the season would be surprising.I do find it telling though that Tampa apparently does not have a rookie running back high on its list of priorities this year. Someone in the organization thinks Caddy still has value on their roster or as future trade bait. I can't see them signing a $3 million per year deal with Dunn otherwise considering the large amount of cap space they had to work with.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
2 million guaranteed per PFT.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I have a lot fewer miles than Dunn does, but that doesn't mean my 41-year-old legs are going to get me very far in the NFL.I have been a Dunn supporter for years, but history has been very unkind to 33 year old running backs. I'm not saying he won't contribute in some way, but to expect him to be a big cog is probably asking a bit too much. There haven't even been 10 RBs that were 33+ get 1,000 yards from scrimmage in a season. IIRC, there have been only 6 guys to do it (accomplished a total of 12 times).I wish him well and hope he can find a niche in the TD offense, but IMO his days as an unheralded fantasy producer are likely past.
Capella
Footballguy
I'm sure Tampa's scouts have the situation scouted a bit more effectively than you do.
Capella
Footballguy
I don't think anybody is expecting him to get a 1000 yards, or even be the main piece. Probably just a counterpart to Graham.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I doubt it.I'm sure Tampa's scouts have the situation scouted a bit more effectively than you do.
Seems like a lot of money for someone with diminished skills. You would think they could sign someone younger and better for less.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I was looking at the low mileage element. And if you lower the bar to 500 yards from scrimmage, there have been 29 players to do that.
Capella
Footballguy
He's still a good enough player. 2-3M a year for a vet with that kind of experience and locker-room presence is nothing.I doubt it.I'm sure Tampa's scouts have the situation scouted a bit more effectively than you do.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You might be right.....might.He's still a good enough player. 2-3M a year for a vet with that kind of experience and locker-room presence is nothing.I doubt it.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Agreed, his days as a fantasy producer is over, it was over last year but the Bucs didn't sign him for fantasy. He'll probably find a niche as you say and help tampa win another division title.
Calm Cool and Collected
Footballguy
Well, I think this has more impact on bennett than caddy. If Caddy looks like he may be available before midseason, I could see them cutting Bennett and going with Graham/Dunn until Caddy is ready.I wouldn't right Caddy off at all, but he looks less likely to contribute this season.
Wildman
Footballguy
Dunn was in a rough situation in Atlanta. Petrino comes in and takes an offensive line that was built to be smaller and quicker with the zone blocking scheme and then decides to use a completely different approach. The absence of Vick just exacerbated the situation.
Still, I think we need to remember Gruden's history of collecting offensive players. He collects veteran RBs and QBs. I think Dunn is one of those players he can plug into the team and have a winner in the locker room and practice field. He'll probably pick a back somewhere in rounds 2-4, (depending on who falls past round 1 or 2 that the Bucs can't pass up) and allow Graham, Bennett, Dunn, and all the others duke it out in camp.
Caddy has exactly 2 years maximum to turn his career around or it is over. He'll need to look good at the end of this year and then play like the beginning of his rookie season in '09 or he's either out of the league or player struggling to make another team's roster. His injury is one of the tougher ones to return from as well.
I loved Cadillac Williams as a runner in college and thought he was hands-down better than Benson, but Caddy's entering his 4th season with 1 decent year to show for it. Rueben Mayes was a good runner at one time, too, but he couldn't stay healthy in New Orleans and his stint in Seattle was short-lived. I hope Caddy doesn't go the route of Rueben Mayes but like I said, he'll have to turn this around dramatically.
Still, I think we need to remember Gruden's history of collecting offensive players. He collects veteran RBs and QBs. I think Dunn is one of those players he can plug into the team and have a winner in the locker room and practice field. He'll probably pick a back somewhere in rounds 2-4, (depending on who falls past round 1 or 2 that the Bucs can't pass up) and allow Graham, Bennett, Dunn, and all the others duke it out in camp.
Caddy has exactly 2 years maximum to turn his career around or it is over. He'll need to look good at the end of this year and then play like the beginning of his rookie season in '09 or he's either out of the league or player struggling to make another team's roster. His injury is one of the tougher ones to return from as well.
I loved Cadillac Williams as a runner in college and thought he was hands-down better than Benson, but Caddy's entering his 4th season with 1 decent year to show for it. Rueben Mayes was a good runner at one time, too, but he couldn't stay healthy in New Orleans and his stint in Seattle was short-lived. I hope Caddy doesn't go the route of Rueben Mayes but like I said, he'll have to turn this around dramatically.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Gruden likes to have vets in key positions on his offenses. Look at his history of players with both the Raiders and Bucs; QB, RB, and WR and you will see that a lot of his favorite players are a bit long in the tooth.I doubt it.I'm sure Tampa's scouts have the situation scouted a bit more effectively than you do.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
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Restricted
Footballguy
Graham owners should be feeling really good
Brutis
Footballguy
I should've clarified, Graham owners should be feeling good for this year.Graham owners should be feeling really good
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Yeah, I can see where feeling good about only playing 1st and 2nd down can be a real positive.Graham owners should be feeling really good
Brutis
Footballguy
Graham has shown to be very effective on 3rd downs, i believe he caught quite a bit of dumpoffs last year.Yeah, I can see where feeling good about only playing 1st and 2nd down can be a real positive.Graham owners should be feeling really good
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Agreed.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
That is also when there wasn't a better 3rd down RB on the roster. Now that they have one...it doesn't matter that he did an okay job. That is the point. I am not saying Graham is a bum or anything to that nature, just...Warrick Dunn is much better at taking plays away from him than Michael Bennett. So, it's not good. The best part to Dunn being there is they won't rush Caddy back sooner than he's needed. That means that the Bucs most likely will bring Caddy along slowly so he is not pushed into service before he's really ready.Graham has shown to be very effective on 3rd downs, i believe he caught quite a bit of dumpoffs last year.Yeah, I can see where feeling good about only playing 1st and 2nd down can be a real positive.Graham owners should be feeling really good
Nemesis
Footballguy
I'm a Dunn fan.....but it's an interesting choice to sign Dunn and not re-sign Pittman.Wonder where and what kind of deal Pittman ends up getting and how it compares to the 2 yrs - $6 mil that Dunn is signed for.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Pittman will be signed as a backup to a team grooming a younger RB to be the eventual backup. It will be a deal for near minimum and little to no bonus IMO. Let's put it this way, he shoudl start thinking about what he wants to do after football...besides trying to hit people with his car.
Brutis
Footballguy
Lets hope im not in a position this year to hope for this. Thats not where i want to be.
redman
Footballguy
The RB situation on my team with him rostered ain't pretty: Maroney, Fred Taylor, Dunn . . . and a cast of thousands. I do have the 1.02 though (which can be a surprise to no one).
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his character and leadership are top notchI wouldn't be surprised if all 32 teams called his agent just to see how much he wanted.It's just a phone call and he's that much of a "high character" individual.
I hope you're not right, you really may be but geesh I liked his potential not too long ago. If true it's a shame
brednbuddah
Footballguy
exactly. Dunn is a respectable guy. had a great career, I don´t see why they did this - nostalgia? hell, might as well get Alstott out of retirement and sign him to a one year contract. bring back the good ol´ days. I´m curious to hear what Capella has to say about this.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
nevermind - scroll down stupid
Capella
Footballguy
nevermind - scroll down stupid
I think he's a cheap option at a position they had a rash of injuries at last year and they realize he's someone who can catch the ball out of the backfield and step in and play regularly if Graham gets hurt or starts to have a drop in his play.Seriously, a few million in terms of the salary cap is absolutely nothing. I see it as nothing but a short-term positive move.
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
How many guys are even in that category? How many 33 year old running backs have had the opportunity to start?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Dunn will likely get 5-10 carries a game but he also will get the ball out of the backfield a lot more ocnsistently than he did in Atlanta with Michael Vick throwing the ball everywhere but on target. Garcia is a very effective short range QB and I think Dunn benefits the most.
100 carries/400 yds
40 catches/300 yds
Hard to gauge TDs but about 750 yds of total offense with a nice leadership role in the locker room and a chance to play on a team that will likely make the playoffs, very good for Dunn indeed.
100 carries/400 yds
40 catches/300 yds
Hard to gauge TDs but about 750 yds of total offense with a nice leadership role in the locker room and a chance to play on a team that will likely make the playoffs, very good for Dunn indeed.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
yes we are!Graham owners should be feeling really good
