Was Clinton Portis a real difference maker last season? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

It seems a lot of people are quick to defend Clinton Portis on his 2007 season. I understand he was in the top5-10 by the end of the season when all the stats were compiled...but when I think back to all those write ups I did last season, I don't remember too many people really defending this guy on a weekly basis. It has been said he went in the 3rd round but I seem to remember most of my drafts he went in the 2nd at some point but that is really splitting hairs. I also believe that by the time he was making a bigger impact which seems to be weeks 14-17(FF Playoffs), to me he had actually hurt his owners at that point or at least wasn't piggy backing owners to the league championships.

And it means that by the time he got cranking, it is possible that a percentage of those owners that had him were already done for the season. I went back and simply did a week by week ranking of where he finished. I do admit that he seemed to hold serve for some of the season but he doesn't seem to have very many weeks at all where he won a game for a team.

Now this would be PPR leagues...here is where Portis finished on a week by week basis from weeks 1 thru 13.

1: 14th

2: 17th

3: 8th

4: Bye

5: 26th

6: 24th

7: 9th

8: 15th

9: 7th

10: 8th

11: 41st

12: 24th

13: 22nd

4 times he creeped up into the top 10...I add up a guy that averaged about 17-18th per week...meaning every week I start him I am going to be "possibly" losing ground to 17 other RB in the league.

I understand if I did this with LT, ADP, Addai, they have their down weeks as well, but they also have weeks where they are top5 by a lot. Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own.

I am not hating on Portis, in fact I like using him in this experiment because there are so many people defending him and acting like I am crazy to dismiss his season last year as just average. He had more points total than Ronnie Brown for the season but I would have rather had Ronnie Brown the 1st 5-6 weeks of the season as he was in the top5-10 almost every week till he tore his ACL.

Help me learn without name calling and personal attacks from what I am looking at. I'm not trying to just defend an idea just to prove myself...I already have taken a lot of heat for this viewpoint. Is there anything in these numbers?

 

[cstu]

That's consistency. I'm not really understanding the comparison to Brown who was the #1 fantasy RB at the time he was injured. Portis didn't have outstanding numbers but he stayed healthy and put up good numbers every week for people. Really, considering the team last year I thought he did an excellent job.

 

[switz]

Now this would be PPR leagues...here is where Portis finished on a week by week basis from weeks 1 thru 13.

1: 14th

2: 17th

3: 8th

4: Bye

5: 26th

6: 24th

7: 9th

8: 15th

9: 7th

10: 8th

11: 41st

12: 24th

13: 22nd

4 times he creeped up into the top 10...I add up a guy that averaged about 17-18th per week...meaning every week I start him I am going to be "possibly" losing ground to 17 other RB in the league.

Portis was a solid, respectable #2 RB. What you are missing, is that those 17 RBs weren't the same RBs every week. Some of them, their owners had on their bench, a la MJD the first two weeks he finally got going. Portis fell into the third round in quite a few drafts last year, and he was a STEAL at that.

 

[awesomeness]

Clinton Portis will likely be a first round pick this year, and first round picks aren't the guys that get you to the playoffs. From last year, 3 players at best taken in the first round would have gotten you to the playoffs (LT, Westbrook, ADP?) while the other 13 picks of the first round of a 16 team league would not have taken anyone to the playoffs. So essentially, if you don't have one of the top 1-3 picks, it is rare that you will be able to take someone in the first round who you can piggy back to the playoffs.

 

[David Yudkin]

MOP is again distorting things to try to make a case that doesn't really exist. For starters, his argument was initially based on 0 PPR leagues and now has shifted to PPR leagues. No matter, the end results will be the same. Here were Portis' weekly numbers from last season Weeks 1-16:

15.80

14.60

21.70

B

11.10

11.90

19.70

13.10

25.60

19.70

6.50

15.10

14.00

18.20

18.60

28.15

He had 1 week in single digits. So did LT (who also had another week at 10.10). ADP had 4 such weeks.

But what MOP is forgeting is that Portis came at a much lower price than the guys he ended up ranked with. In many leagues, he was a 3rd or 4th round pick (he fell to the 4th in my FBG staff league).

No matter how you slice it, Portis was a great pick no matter how much he tried to talk him down before, during, or after the year. He was not getting much love at the time because he was thought to be injured and Betts somehow was going to step in and split the job evenly with Portis. Neither issue ever really materialized and Portis did some good things.

Now a year later, you can't go back and still try to berate the guy. Give him credit for a solid year and being a good value pick and move on.

 

[puckalicious]

4 times he creeped up into the top 10...I add up a guy that averaged about 17-18th per week...meaning every week I start him I am going to be "possibly" losing ground to 17 other RB in the league.

Portis was a solid, respectable #2 RB. What you are missing, is that those 17 RBs weren't the same RBs every week. Some of them, their owners had on their bench, a la MJD the first two weeks he finally got going. Portis fell into the third round in quite a few drafts last year, and he was a STEAL at that.

Portis sure didn't hurt my league winner (non-PPR) who had these 4 picks in the first 4 rounds at #1 spot:LT

Moss

Brady

Portis

He pretty much smoked everyone in the league but I beat him by playing him on the Pat's bye week. Although my season was over pretty early when all 3 of my top RB's went down to injury (SJax, Duece, Caddy).

 

[sho nuff]

MOP is again distorting things to try to make a case that doesn't really exist. For starters, his argument was initially based on 0 PPR leagues and now has shifted to PPR leagues. No matter, the end results will be the same. Here were Portis' weekly numbers from last season Weeks 1-16:15.8014.6021.70B11.1011.9019.7013.1025.6019.706.5015.1014.0018.2018.6028.15 He had 1 week in single digits. So did LT (who also had another week at 10.10). ADP had 4 such weeks.But what MOP is forgeting is that Portis came at a much lower price than the guys he ended up ranked with. In many leagues, he was a 3rd or 4th tound pick (he fell to the 4th in my FBG staff league).No matter how you slice it, Portis was a great pick no matter how much he tried to talk him down before, during, or after the year. He was not getting much love at the time because he was thought to be injured and Betts somehow was going to step in and split the job evenly with Portis. Neither issue ever really materialized and Portis did some good things.Now a year later, you can't go back and still try to berate the guy. Give him credit for a solid year and being a good value pick and move on.

And I was lucky and got him in the 5th in one league (the week the played the Titans in Nashville and everyone at the draft had just heard that CP was in town to visit Dr. Andrews and they let him keep sliding)

 

[mozzy84]

1: 14th2: 17th3: 8th4: Bye5: 26th6: 24th7: 9th8: 15th9: 7th10: 8th11: 41st12: 24th13: 22ndIs there anything in these numbers?

not really, he was pretty consistent most of the year and it was a down year for running backs. Even the first 3 weeks he had 70 yards and a td at least each game, anyone will take that.I did notice it took ALOT of carries to do the damage he did....kinda funny considering all the betts talk he ended up with almost 400 touches.He went in the third round in my 3 leagues...

 

[Dexter Manley]

It seems a lot of people are quick to defend Clinton Portis on his 2007 season. I understand he was in the top5-10 by the end of the season when all the stats were compiled...but when I think back to all those write ups I did last season, I don't remember too many people really defending this guy on a weekly basis. It has been said he went in the 3rd round but I seem to remember most of my drafts he went in the 2nd at some point but that is really splitting hairs. I also believe that by the time he was making a bigger impact which seems to be weeks 14-17(FF Playoffs), to me he had actually hurt his owners at that point or at least wasn't piggy backing owners to the league championships. And it means that by the time he got cranking, it is possible that a percentage of those owners that had him were already done for the season. I went back and simply did a week by week ranking of where he finished. I do admit that he seemed to hold serve for some of the season but he doesn't seem to have very many weeks at all where he won a game for a team. Now this would be PPR leagues...here is where Portis finished on a week by week basis from weeks 1 thru 13.1: 14th2: 17th3: 8th4: Bye5: 26th6: 24th7: 9th8: 15th9: 7th10: 8th11: 41st12: 24th13: 22nd4 times he creeped up into the top 10...I add up a guy that averaged about 17-18th per week...meaning every week I start him I am going to be "possibly" losing ground to 17 other RB in the league.I understand if I did this with LT, ADP, Addai, they have their down weeks as well, but they also have weeks where they are top5 by a lot. Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own. I am not hating on Portis, in fact I like using him in this experiment because there are so many people defending him and acting like I am crazy to dismiss his season last year as just average. He had more points total than Ronnie Brown for the season but I would have rather had Ronnie Brown the 1st 5-6 weeks of the season as he was in the top5-10 almost every week till he tore his ACL. Help me learn without name calling and personal attacks from what I am looking at. I'm not trying to just defend an idea just to prove myself...I already have taken a lot of heat for this viewpoint. Is there anything in these numbers?

I'm curious. Based on Portis' average draft position last year, what RB would you rather of taken than him outside of Peterson? Peterson is the only RB I can think of with a lower ADP that outproduced Portis.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP is again distorting things to try to make a case that doesn't really exist. For starters, his argument was initially based on 0 PPR leagues and now has shifted to PPR leagues. No matter, the end results will be the same. Here were Portis' weekly numbers from last season Weeks 1-16:15.8014.6021.70B11.1011.9019.7013.1025.6019.706.5015.1014.0018.2018.6028.15 He had 1 week in single digits. So did LT (who also had another week at 10.10). ADP had 4 such weeks.But what MOP is forgeting is that Portis came at a much lower price than the guys he ended up ranked with. In many leagues, he was a 3rd or 4th tound pick (he fell to the 4th in my FBG staff league).No matter how you slice it, Portis was a great pick no matter how much he tried to talk him down before, during, or after the year. He was not getting much love at the time because he was thought to be injured and Betts somehow was going to step in and split the job evenly with Portis. Neither issue ever really materialized and Portis did some good things.Now a year later, you can't go back and still try to berate the guy. Give him credit for a solid year and being a good value pick and move on.

David, I simply loaded in his weekly rankings...now you are saying he was a 4th round pick...why don't we shoot for 5, why not 6...who is really distorting things? I pulled the numbers from the FIX League...I do agree with what Switz posted but that doesn't change the fact that Portis never had a week where he really blew everyone away.David, I respect your view on this, I understand a lot of people will see things as you are presenting them, however I just don't feel the same as you. And we can certainly have differing points of view. I'm not trying to prove you wrong...you presented the facts/stats, but I am also showing another side to this that I feel merits discussion.

 

[David Yudkin]

And should anyone be wondering, I have nothing against MOP and I have no man love for Portis. The other guy he and I debated at length was McGahee (who also turned out to be a decent pick in spite of MOP's insistance that he was not that great an option.) Different strokes for different folks is all.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It seems a lot of people are quick to defend Clinton Portis on his 2007 season. I understand he was in the top5-10 by the end of the season when all the stats were compiled...but when I think back to all those write ups I did last season, I don't remember too many people really defending this guy on a weekly basis. It has been said he went in the 3rd round but I seem to remember most of my drafts he went in the 2nd at some point but that is really splitting hairs. I also believe that by the time he was making a bigger impact which seems to be weeks 14-17(FF Playoffs), to me he had actually hurt his owners at that point or at least wasn't piggy backing owners to the league championships. And it means that by the time he got cranking, it is possible that a percentage of those owners that had him were already done for the season. I went back and simply did a week by week ranking of where he finished. I do admit that he seemed to hold serve for some of the season but he doesn't seem to have very many weeks at all where he won a game for a team. Now this would be PPR leagues...here is where Portis finished on a week by week basis from weeks 1 thru 13.1: 14th2: 17th3: 8th4: Bye5: 26th6: 24th7: 9th8: 15th9: 7th10: 8th11: 41st12: 24th13: 22nd4 times he creeped up into the top 10...I add up a guy that averaged about 17-18th per week...meaning every week I start him I am going to be "possibly" losing ground to 17 other RB in the league.I understand if I did this with LT, ADP, Addai, they have their down weeks as well, but they also have weeks where they are top5 by a lot. Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own. I am not hating on Portis, in fact I like using him in this experiment because there are so many people defending him and acting like I am crazy to dismiss his season last year as just average. He had more points total than Ronnie Brown for the season but I would have rather had Ronnie Brown the 1st 5-6 weeks of the season as he was in the top5-10 almost every week till he tore his ACL. Help me learn without name calling and personal attacks from what I am looking at. I'm not trying to just defend an idea just to prove myself...I already have taken a lot of heat for this viewpoint. Is there anything in these numbers?

I'm curious. Based on Portis' average draft position last year, what RB would you rather of taken than him outside of Peterson? Peterson is the only RB I can think of with a lower ADP that outproduced Portis.

It's a great question DM, one that I would have to think about, but depending on the league and the flex players, I would likely bypass Portis as an RB2 and try and go with a high ranked WR, especially in PPR leagues.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And should anyone be wondering, I have nothing against MOP and I have no man love for Portis. The other guy he and I debated at length was McGahee (who also turned out to be a decent pick in spite of MOP's insistance that he was not that great an option.) Different strokes for different folks is all.

Didn't even need to be said David but thank you. It's going to be a long summer and I'm sure it will not be the only time you and I look at things differently.

 

[Boone22]

He finished as the #6 RB in my NON-PPR league. Listed below are his weekly FF points...

6. Portis, Clinton WAS RB 15.80 13.60 15.70 Bye 7.10 6.90 17.70 8.10 25.60 15.70 4.50 6.10 12.00 12.20 18.60 23.00

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The problem with your argument isn't what he did or didn't do regular season vs playoffs. It's that you're saying the 2007 split is somehow relevant to what he'll do in the future.

It isn't. He's just as likely to have his big weeks in Weeks 1-3, or 3,8,12. So making a decision about his value in 2008 based on the regular season/playoff split in 2007 is a very bad idea.

 

[footballman_696969]

It's a great question DM, one that I would have to think about, but depending on the league and the flex players, I would likely bypass Portis as an RB2 and try and go with a high ranked WR, especially in PPR leagues.

Just out of curiosity... What are your projections for Portis this year?

 

[Buckna]

I'm confused by your argument. The numbers you are quoting, are those how he ranked in a given specific week? Or a cumulative rank over time?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

[switz]

but that doesn't change the fact that Portis never had a week where he really blew everyone away.

FF isn't won with players that once in a while "blow people away" - look at MJD last year. He was drafted higher than Portis in almost every league and he had some whopping huge games. But I highly doubt he helped ANY of his owners to a championship.Consistency like Portis delivered is highly desired in FF.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm confused by your argument. The numbers you are quoting, are those how he ranked in a given specific week? Or a cumulative rank over time?

Good question, I do hope everyone sees what I am looking at. Those numbers are where he finished each and every week...if it was 17th, then 16 RB were higher than him that week.

 

[switz]

I'm confused by your argument. The numbers you are quoting, are those how he ranked in a given specific week? Or a cumulative rank over time?

Good question, I do hope everyone sees what I am looking at. Those numbers are where he finished each and every week...if it was 17th, then 16 RB were higher than him that week.

That's still a very week argument. Do us a favor, break down LTs weekly rank.

 

[dgreen]

He was not getting much love at the time because he was thought to be injured and Betts somehow was going to step in and split the job evenly with Portis. Neither issue ever really materialized and Portis did some good things.

I know it's tough to sift through the homerism and ownerism and manloveism on this board, BUT Redskins fans were screaming from the mountain top last summer that neither Portis' previous injuries nor Betts were real threats to Portis in 2007. Some listened, others didn't.

 

[Banger]

Which players were more impactful than Portis last year? I'd say ADP, LT, Westy, maybe Ryan Grant for the 2nd half but other than that who did much better for any decent stretch? Addai? maybe - he was better according to your criteria since he was pretty good week 1-13 (still had 1 10 pt game and 2 under 10 pt games) but had single digit games when it counted week 15/16. Jamal? had a good 2nd half (but 5 single digit games weeks 1-13). Barber? no (6 single digit games) Gore? no (5 single digit games weeks 1-13). McGahee? no . James? no. Graham? no. Lynch? no. MJD? no. SJax? no. Parker? no. L. White? no. Taylor? no.

Portis didn't light the world on fire but for the most part no one did. It was a bad year for RB's. Portis was one of the best no matter how you slice it especially considering where he was drafted. Maybe I need a definition of what a "difference maker" is.....

 

[Sidewinder16]

Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own.

How many players drafted outside the 1st round are expected to win games on their own?IMO, the answer is real close to zero. Nobody was realistically drafting Portis to be their difference maker or to single-handedly win games for them (a silly concept in a typical FF league, IMO, but that's a different issue). He was drafted to be a solid #2 or 3 RB (your anecdotal evidence about where he went in your leagues was far more the exception than the norm; ADP data from MFL). Based on the week-to-week data you gave he performed as, or better, than expected every week except 1 (he was the #26 RB in week 5; I'd be curious to know how much different his score was that week to #24).

 

[Banger]

Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own.

How many players drafted outside the 1st round are expected to win games on their own?IMO, the answer is real close to zero. Nobody was realistically drafting Portis to be their difference maker or to single-handedly win games for them (a silly concept in a typical FF league, IMO, but that's a different issue). He was drafted to be a solid #2 or 3 RB (your anecdotal evidence about where he went in your leagues was far more the exception than the norm; ADP data from MFL). Based on the week-to-week data you gave he performed as, or better, than expected every week except 1 (he was the #26 RB in week 5; I'd be curious to know how much different his score was that week to #24).

Of those that had an ADP above him which were difference makers?

LT - yes

SJAX - no

LJ - no

Gore- no

SA - no

Addai - possibly

Parker - no

Westy - yes

Rudi - no

Reggie - no

Maroney - no

Henry - no

McGahee - no

MJD - no

Brown - no

Benson - no

James - no.

According to ADP from last year he was absolute $$$$$.

 

[brock]

I'm confused by your argument. The numbers you are quoting, are those how he ranked in a given specific week? Or a cumulative rank over time?

Good question, I do hope everyone sees what I am looking at. Those numbers are where he finished each and every week...if it was 17th, then 16 RB were higher than him that week.

That's still a very week argument. Do us a favor, break down LTs weekly rank.

 

[awesomeness]

I'm confused by your argument. The numbers you are quoting, are those how he ranked in a given specific week? Or a cumulative rank over time?

Good question, I do hope everyone sees what I am looking at. Those numbers are where he finished each and every week...if it was 17th, then 16 RB were higher than him that week.

That's still a very week argument. Do us a favor, break down LTs weekly rank.

I couldn't find a PPR set of stats, so the following is a standard 6 pt TD league with no PPR:1. 14th2. 36th3. 11th4. 2nd5. 9th6. 1st7. Bye8. 18th9. 18th10. 10th11. 2nd12. 17th13. 1st #1 RBin basically all leagues last year LT averaged being the 11th RB each week. While Portis averaged being the 16th RB each week under the same scoring i used for LT.

 

[Synthesizer]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

 

[sho nuff]

Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own.

How many players drafted outside the 1st round are expected to win games on their own?IMO, the answer is real close to zero. Nobody was realistically drafting Portis to be their difference maker or to single-handedly win games for them (a silly concept in a typical FF league, IMO, but that's a different issue). He was drafted to be a solid #2 or 3 RB (your anecdotal evidence about where he went in your leagues was far more the exception than the norm; ADP data from MFL). Based on the week-to-week data you gave he performed as, or better, than expected every week except 1 (he was the #26 RB in week 5; I'd be curious to know how much different his score was that week to #24).

Of those that had an ADP above him which were difference makers?

LT - yes

SJAX - no

LJ - no

Gore- no

SA - no

Addai - possibly

Parker - no

Westy - yes

Rudi - no

Reggie - no

Maroney - no

Henry - no

McGahee - no

MJD - no

Brown - no

Benson - no

James - no.

According to ADP from last year he was absolute $$$$$.

I disagree on some of them...some of those no's were difference makers alright...but in a bad way as their FF teams put so much stock on them they were probably screwed.

 

[TheOriginalDoubledown]

but that doesn't change the fact that Portis never had a week where he really blew everyone away.

FF isn't won with players that once in a while "blow people away" - look at MJD last year. He was drafted higher than Portis in almost every league and he had some whopping huge games. But I highly doubt he helped ANY of his owners to a championship.Consistency like Portis delivered is highly desired in FF.

As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with Switz on this one. You can't simply dissect the weekly ranking for Portis against all other Rb's and simply ignore how he ranks in the end. Unless you have some credible evidence that the same Rb's were ranked ahead of him every week consistantly, then the total annual ranking has to hold more weight. When you take a runningback in the first 4 rounds, you aren't drafting to play the matchups. Those are your starters on a weekly basis barring injury and/or showing up to the draft hung over. I simply don't see how the comparison between weekly ranking vrs end ranking is relevant for a starting Rb. May as well look at the other side of the coin and discuss all the Rb's that must've lost a lot of games for their owners with streaky production.

 

[Banger]

Portis never seemed to really win too many games on his own.

How many players drafted outside the 1st round are expected to win games on their own?IMO, the answer is real close to zero. Nobody was realistically drafting Portis to be their difference maker or to single-handedly win games for them (a silly concept in a typical FF league, IMO, but that's a different issue). He was drafted to be a solid #2 or 3 RB (your anecdotal evidence about where he went in your leagues was far more the exception than the norm; ADP data from MFL). Based on the week-to-week data you gave he performed as, or better, than expected every week except 1 (he was the #26 RB in week 5; I'd be curious to know how much different his score was that week to #24).

Of those that had an ADP above him which were difference makers?

LT - yes

SJAX - no

LJ - no

Gore- no

SA - no

Addai - possibly

Parker - no

Westy - yes

Rudi - no

Reggie - no

Maroney - no

Henry - no

McGahee - no

MJD - no

Brown - no

Benson - no

James - no.

According to ADP from last year he was absolute $$$$$.

I disagree on some of them...some of those no's were difference makers alright...but in a bad way as their FF teams put so much stock on them they were probably screwed.

good point, in fact probably half of them helped to sink teams.

 

[Dexter Manley]

but that doesn't change the fact that Portis never had a week where he really blew everyone away.

FF isn't won with players that once in a while "blow people away" - look at MJD last year. He was drafted higher than Portis in almost every league and he had some whopping huge games. But I highly doubt he helped ANY of his owners to a championship.Consistency like Portis delivered is highly desired in FF.

If you are relying on 1 or 2 players on your squad to blow up every week in order to win games, then you don't have a very good team, and are going to have to get extremely lucky to win a championship. I won the Super Bowl last year, and it wouldn't have happened without Portis on my team. These were my first 4 picks: Gore, Portis, TO, ADP. Portis was easily the most consistent of my 3 RB's, and his best games came when it mattered most -- in weeks 15 and 16. In another league, drafting FWP over Portis cost me the Super Bowl, as I lost by 1 point in the semis. These results aren't unique to me. Countless owners rode Portis to the championship last year, and many more regretted passing on Portis in the draft, costing themselves a championship in the process. In fact, I would be willing to bet that roughly 1/2 the people who drafted a RB in round 1 last year, would of loved to go back in time and draft Portis instead.MOP -- if you were making all these arguments about Gore instead of Portis, I would definitely buy what your selling. Also, putting more emphasis on regular season stats than playoff stats is a big leak, imo. At worst, production in weeks 14 - 16 should have a perceived value equal to production in weeks 1 - 13.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

For the purpose of ranking a player for the upcoming season, why would you possibly throw out weeks 14-16? Those are still regular season games in the NFL...

It is a scheduling anomoly that Portis had 3 very good weeks to finish the year off.... why is it less likely that he will do that during weeks 1-13???

That really is cherry picking stats... you have to look at all of his meaningful games, which means all his games through week 16.

 

[kethnaab]

what is it about the #s aren't we understanding?

Here are the PPR fantasy points for 4 RBs on a weekly basis.

RB1-------RB2-------RB3-------RB4

15.8------- 23.3------- 16.4------- 17.9

14.6------- 16.7------- 23.5------- 9.5

21.7------- 24.1------- 24.2------- 16

-------------23.6------- 9.2------- 13.9

11.1--------------------13.3------- 11.8

11.9-------------------- 7.9--------------

19.7------- 14.7------- 20.5------- 18.8

13.1------- 30.9---------------------9.7

25.6------- 33.6------- 19.6------- 29.3

19.7------- 10.2------- 6.3------- 17.5

6.5------- 20.6------- 6--------------

15.1------- 13.8------- 21.5-------

14.0------- 6.7--------- 8.8-------

18.2------- 29.1------- 38.4------- 10.7

18.6------- 12.7------- 3.2------- 8.2

30.0------- 10.1------- 21.6------- 19.2

29.1------- 4.5--------- 1.1------- 13.7

RB1 - 6 firsts, 4 seconds, 5 thirds, 1 fourth (not including bye week)

RB2 - 5 firsts, 4 seconds, 4 thirds, 3 fourths (not including bye week)

RB3 - 6 firsts, 3 seconds, 3 thirds, 4 fourths (not including bye week)

RB4 - 0 firsts, 5 seconds, 4 thirds, 6 fourths (not including bye week)

How did they do overall?

RB1 was in 1st or 2nd on 10 different occasions (the most)

RB1 was in 3rd or 4th on 6 different occasions (the least)

RB2 and RB3 were tied with 9 first/seconds and 7 third/fourths. RB2 seemed very slightly more consistent but fell apart near the end of the season.

RB4 obviously was the lowest performer.

Who were the 4 RBs?

RB1 - Portis

RB2 - Addai

RB3 - MBIII

RB4 - Marshawn Lynch

EDIT - hurm...still looks ugly.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

Is it really feasible that you had each of those players on your roster at the end of the year? It's really easy to say I'd rather have player A this week, and player B that week in hindsight, but there's a lot of value in a player that is consistently productive each and every week. What were those three players doing at the beginning of the season when Portis was putting up consistent numbers? Who were you starting at that point of the season? As shown by posters above, Portis was better than just about every back taken in the first round of most leagues.I guess the point is if you drafted well around Portis, who was taken in the second round in my particular league, you probably went deep into your fantasy playoffs.

 

[kethnaab]

oh yeah, in PPR, only Westy and LT2 outscored Portis among RBs

Other #s of interest:

Portis - Average 17.8 PPG +/- 6.5 PPG

Addai - average 17.2 PPG +/- 9.8 PPG

MBIII - average 15.1 PPG +/- 9.9 PPG

Lynch - average 12.3 PPG +/- 7.9 PPG

most people would've loved to have had Addai on their teams last season, except that he fell apart near the end of the season. Personally, I'd rather have my RBs do "average" during weeks 1-13 and then blow up during 14-16 when it's Fantasy football playoffs time

 

[kethnaab]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

interesting, and laughable.1) When? Earnest Graham and Ryan Grant were worthless the first half of the season, Fargas most of the first half, so you would've been screwed the first 7 weeks aside from 1 game.

2) No one predicted that Grant, Graham, or Fargas would've done as well as they did. In fact, none of them were starters at the beginning of the season, and neither Graham nor Grant were even legitimate #2s. Hindsight is conveniently 20/20

3) When, exactly, would you have drafted Grant, Graham and Fargas? You sure as heck wouldn't have been able to grab all 3 of them off waivers in a competitive league. I know because I was able to get Grant and Graham, but not Fargas

 

[iSnitch]

Let's take a look at Chad Johnson. Prior to last season, almost everybody was in love with the guy. He had finished as a top 5ish wr and everybody was falling over themselves to draft him. I know a lot of fbg's were skeptical because he had a few monster games but for the most part had been extremely unreliable.

Different strokes for different folks but I like a guy that is going to give me a steady number week in and week out. I can't stand having a guy on my bench blow up only to have him give me a goose egg in my lineup the following week.

Portis wasn't top 5 every single week but he was a sure thing-being a sure thing is what's made Peyton Manning, Tomlinson, etc. so valueable. You put certain players in your lineup and don't have to worry about that spot.

 

[switz]

As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with Switz on this one. You can't simply dissect the weekly ranking for Portis against all other Rb's and simply ignore how he ranks in the end. Unless you have some credible evide

Agreeing with me is a good thing, not a bad thing

 

[Synthesizer]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

interesting, and laughable.1) When? Earnest Graham and Ryan Grant were worthless the first half of the season, Fargas most of the first half, so you would've been screwed the first 7 weeks aside from 1 game.

2) No one predicted that Grant, Graham, or Fargas would've done as well as they did. In fact, none of them were starters at the beginning of the season, and neither Graham nor Grant were even legitimate #2s. Hindsight is conveniently 20/20

3) When, exactly, would you have drafted Grant, Graham and Fargas? You sure as heck wouldn't have been able to grab all 3 of them off waivers in a competitive league. I know because I was able to get Grant and Graham, but not Fargas

As soon as each of those guys became starter, they were more valuable than Portis. So it's not laughable. Portis was pretty average most of the 16 weeks. My point is that Portis is going to be drafted in the 1st round of drafts this year even though waiver wire guys were better than him once they got the starting job.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He sure was:

LaDainian Tomlinson 310

Brian Westbrook 282

Adrian Peterson 239

Clinton Portis 238

Joseph Addai 234

Jamal Lewis 221

Marion Barber III 198

Willis McGahee 192

Frank Gore 190

Edgerrin James 185

Earnest Graham 182

Marshawn Lynch 178

Anything other than that last number is 100% irrelevant. There are no backs more "consistent" than others, and there are no backs who score more points during certain times of the year. Just those who score more points and those who score less. The distribution of those points from game to game is essentially random.

 

[gianmarco]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

interesting, and laughable.1) When? Earnest Graham and Ryan Grant were worthless the first half of the season, Fargas most of the first half, so you would've been screwed the first 7 weeks aside from 1 game.

2) No one predicted that Grant, Graham, or Fargas would've done as well as they did. In fact, none of them were starters at the beginning of the season, and neither Graham nor Grant were even legitimate #2s. Hindsight is conveniently 20/20

3) When, exactly, would you have drafted Grant, Graham and Fargas? You sure as heck wouldn't have been able to grab all 3 of them off waivers in a competitive league. I know because I was able to get Grant and Graham, but not Fargas

As soon as each of those guys became starter, they were more valuable than Portis. So it's not laughable. Portis was pretty average most of the 16 weeks. My point is that Portis is going to be drafted in the 1st round of drafts this year even though waiver wire guys were better than him once they got the starting job.

Those waiver wire guys were better than almost every RB last year, not just Portis. Just because they performed exceptionally well isn't a knock on Portis, it's a good thing for them.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

We are in the extreme minority it seems.

 

[Sebowski]

Portis' TD against the Vikings gave me my first championship (4th quarter of a night game).

Stealing him in the third round was a huge part of my winning season.

 

[kethnaab]

more information

1) Portis outscored LT 6 times and was tied a 7th

2) Portis outscored AD 8 times

So, to recap:

1) He was 3rd overall among RBs, in PPR scoring in 2007

2) He outscored AD and LT 6 and 8 times apiece

3) He outscored BOTH AD and LT 4 times

4) Even if we don't include the extra 2 games AD missed due to injury, Portis was less than 1 PPG behind AD. Calculated across the entire season, Portis was almost 2 PPG higher than AD.

5) Portis outscored Addai 9 times, MBIII 8 times, and outscored them both 6 times

6) Portis had only one game below 11 points. LT had 2, Addai had 5, MBIII had 7, AD had 7

 

[fatness]

I am not hating on Portis,

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

We are in the extreme minority it seems.

That's why the short bus is short.

 

[gianmarco]

I'm right there with you MP. Here's a thread from a month ago where I said that he was nothing special last year. I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

We are in the extreme minority it seems.

That's why the short bus is short.

One of the funniest posts I've ever read.

 

[kethnaab]

I would have rather had E.Graham, R.Grant, or J.Fargas than Portis.

We are in the extreme minority it seems.

There's a reason for that. Most people recognize that having a dude who starts half the season after being 2nd or 3rd string is great as a waiver wire pickup, but the reality is that Fargas, Grant and Graham had at least half a dozen weeks apiece where they were completely irrelevant.Mind you, I thrived on having both Grant and Graham off waivers (damn Raiders fan grabbed Fargas before I could snatch him up), but those are waiver wire pickups. We can extrapolate all we want, the reality is that Grant didn't help me before week 8, Fargas helped me once before week 8 and fell apart during the FF playoffs and Graham, while extremely effective, still had half a dozen weeks where he was borderline worthless.Realityortis had 1 game under 11 pointsGraham had 7 games under 11 pointsGrant had 7 games under 11 pointsFargas had 8 games under 11 pointsPortis outscored Grant 10 timesPortis outscored Graham 10 timesPortis outscored Fargas 13 timesSo please explain to me the logic?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

If you listed Portis' season ranking after each week next to his weekly ranking, he'd look pretty good and "consistent," I bet.