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*** Washington @ New England Game Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Pats moving the ball pretty easily. Dillon started, Faulk playing as well, no Lawrence as of yet (other than returning the kickoff). In the redzone now, Dillon getting the carries but not much in terms of yardage.

 
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Beautiful screen pass to Dillon. I doubt any team has ever, ever run the screen with more success and volume than the Pats.

 
Chumpson said:
massraider said:
Sweeper said:
massraider said:
Beautiful screen pass to Dillon. I doubt any team has ever, ever run the screen with more success and volume than the Pats.
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He sure did look old on that run though. It really looks like that run hurts.
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He's a big back with a lot of mileage. I think he hits the magical age of 31 this year. I think he's toast.
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If you didn't think that watching him last year, you weren't watching.
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Yep. it was blamed on injury, but those bigger guys just fall apart all at once. There's no Emmitt fade. One day, it's just gone.
 
I was begining to wonder if anyone could keep Maroney from gaining good yardage every time he gets the ball.. then on 3rd and 1 they stuff him for a 2 yard loss.

At least we know he's human. I was starting to wonder.

Im not sure how long Dillon can hold Maroney off if he keeps performing as well as we have been seeing 90% of the time.

 
Ok can we get the starters out now? :angry: Does Watson have to catch a dozen balls and move up to the 4th/5th round? :banned:

 
dangit Watson stop doing so well in the preseason.

is the world outside of FBGs onto this guy yet? havent checked recent ADP but im starting to think getting him late (well, mid rounds) is getting tougher and tougher

edit: sorry Rocket we posted at the same time and i was thinking the same thing..

 
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Same old Skins. You can buy all the talent in the world but you can't buy heart and the this team is still gutless.

 
fo shizzle said:
dangit Watson stop doing so well in the preseason.

is the world outside of FBGs onto this guy yet? havent checked recent ADP but im starting to think getting him late (well, mid rounds) is getting tougher and tougher

edit: sorry Rocket we posted at the same time and i was thinking the same thing..
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I think if you want Watson, you'll have to get him early. There was a lot of buzz around him already; with Branch gone and now this game, I see somebody investing an early pick on him.Troy Brown is still productive. How much money is he making? How about a nice retirement bonus for this guy once he leaves?

 
Brady, plus the way the "o-line" pass blocks will make guys like Caldwell and Childress twice as efficient as they would normally be... As far as Watson goes,he will be rapidly moving up draft lists after tonite. Pat fans already knew that he will produce 'big time ' if they keep throwing to him....

 
Jagerbomber said:
fo shizzle said:
dangit Watson stop doing so well in the preseason.

is the world outside of FBGs onto this guy yet? havent checked recent ADP but im starting to think getting him late (well, mid rounds) is getting tougher and tougher

edit: sorry Rocket we posted at the same time and i was thinking the same thing..
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I think if you want Watson, you'll have to get him early. There was a lot of buzz around him already; with Branch gone and now this game, I see somebody investing an early pick on him.Troy Brown is still productive. How much money is he making? How about a nice retirement bonus for this guy once he leaves?
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Your tellin me! I just got back from a 19 round draft. I took Watson and he was the 12th off the board. Haven't seen him play tonight but I love what I'm hearing.
 
At halftime...pretty much all positive:

*If possible Brady looks like he's better than ever. He's already in mid-season form and with the protection he's getting he'll be surgically this year.

*Watson is an animal. He and Brady are going to be huge this year.

*The biggest news of the night is Rodney being back. As a Pats fan having him on the field is a huge sigh of relief.

*Asante Samuel looks fantastic. The Pats should extend him ASAP. Hobbs looks good as well. A very nice pair of young CBs.

*Recehe Cadwell shows me very little. He'll be an upgrade over Bethel, Davis and Dwight but he's a big downgrade from Givens.

*If Jax and Branch can get on the field this offense could be devastating.

*Junior is a big upgrade over Beisel. His presence will allow Vrabel to move back outside when Tedy gets back. I'm beginning to get comfortable with Banta-Cain as that swing LB.

*Ski seems pretty comfortable out there. I'd like to see him attempt a long one.

 
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I think if Deion Branch watches this game,..he's gonna' realize his best chance for future "Big Money"(and recognition) is to get his ### back to Foxboro and"play catch" with the best QB in the NFL....

 
That's 71-3 in the last two games...

BB has been stressing fundamentals all preseason and so far you can see it. They're very sharp on both sides of the ball.

 
This would be wonderful if the Skins can play like this ALL YEAR!!!

Would be wonderful living in Northern Virginia again...

 
I found this post on the Extremeskins.com message board. Note that I didn't watch this game so I can't comment upon its validity except to say that every one of those coaches, offensive and defensive is fanatical about not giving away anything about their new schemes in the preseason, so that much at least is true:

Defense

- The first team defense was less than vanilla. The first few drives were very basic concepts with little, if any, disguise. Most plays by the first team defense had 4 rushers and either a simple zone or man-zone behind it. I'd guess about 75% of the defensive calls were like this. If you watched the Baltimore scrimmage it looked a lot, and I mean a lot, like 7-on-7 passing skeleton drills.

- When first team did blitz, it was a telegraphed bring the house blitz that left defenders on islands. Brady made some pretty good throws to beat it about half the time

- Even in basic schemes, the first team Run D looked fine even without Griffin and Daniels

- Holdman might know his assignments and even be in the right place, but he doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game. He seems to put his head on the wrong side of blockers allowing some runs and gets blocked out of the play

- What Holdman lacks in feel, Rocky sure has in spades. Rocky also made a nice hustle play to stop a long gain.

- Jeff Posey looks like an outstanding pickup; he's certain to make the roster. If the Redskins were looking to play their top 3 LBs I think it would be Washington, Marshall, and Posey.

- Cedric Killings made a nice penetrating play on the goal-line. He was getting some snaps with the starters, so it's pretty clear he's being looked at hard

- Reed Doughty made a very nice play on the forced fumble by poking at the ball while tackling; that's the sort of thing Williams loves. Of course, later on in the game he takes a bad angle on a run/comes up out of control and allows a big run. =\

Offense

- I don't know how anyone that was watching the game last night didn't pick this up. It was pretty obvious that the Redskins were working on something in the passing game. First, the Redskins ran a lot, and I mean a lot, of minimum protection. Of 18 first half passing plays, they had only 3 plays where more than 5 players were kept in to block.

Second, they weren't changing protection schemes to audible for blitz protections. You could see Brunell recognizing blitz but he never audibled to keep a back in to block instead of running a meaningless flat route. It's pretty clear this was by design.

Third, Brunell wasn't getting rid of the ball fast enough for this plan. I would say that of the sacks he took, he had an opportunity to throw the ball but didn't. Note Brunell lovers, that's not to say he's terrible, but this was a pretty extreme circumstance and he didn't adjust as well as he could have. But it's not the performance that matters, but the experience of Brunell having gone through it.

- I only caught one instance of motion tonight; on the ARE reverse, Moss motioned back across the formation to the reverse side

- Todd Collins doesn't seem to have a very good sense for pressure; Tyson Walter pushed the DE 10 yards behind the LOS and Collins couldn't step up into the pocket; When Collins did sense the pass rush he took his eyes off the receivers

- Campbell made a nice checkdown on his first pass

- The Redskins were making sure Campbell had some time to throw by keeping some TE's and RB's in. It's pretty clear the Redskins had different plans for Brunell and Campbell

- Campbell seemed to make the right reads by not throwing into double coverage, but still seems slow on his reads and not quite as fluid as he was as a senior at Auburn; It looks like he's destined to be the #3 based on how much emphasis Saunders places on how fast a QB can read a defense and how fast a QB can get rid of the ball.

My takeaway from the game from these observations

- Al Saunders wanted to see Brunell make some really quick reads and throws. I think that's the most logical explanation for the overwhelming majority of 3 step drops with only 5 blockers.

Since Saunders places such a great emphasis on getting rid of the ball quickly, perhaps it was to give Brunell a better feel for getting rid of the ball during normal situations. For example, a baseball batter will often swing a heavier bat in the on-deck circle when he's warming up in order for his regular bat to feel much lighter when in the batter's box.

I have a feeling that's what was going on here. Saunders wanted Brunell to really get a sense of pressure so when it comes 9/11 and the Skins keep a back into block or make a protection audible, Brunell will feel like he has all day to throw. This makes sense to me since Brunell got a little jumpy last year with pressure.

- Gregg Williams clearly had some things he wanted to see. I would guess he wanted to see how well his DL could pressure the QB by itself (answer: not very well) and how some of his DBs could cover in a zone or on an island against one of the best QBs in a league. Missing were all the exotic zone-blitzes and disguises we've come to love from Williams or even the Redskins best pass rusher, Marcus Washington, blitzing much at all. He knows what his players' strengths are (e.g. Washington not blitzing that much), but he wanted to see the extent of his players' weaknesses without the help of scheme (e.g. Archuleta playing a lot of cover 2 zone).

He's mentioned this earlier this pre-season when he talked about strengths and weaknesses of players. Every player has weaknesses he said, and I guess that he wanted to see them and try to expose them as much as he could tonight.

- Here's my wild, conspiracy-theory speculation. Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams all wanted to evaluate personnel tonight more than anything and saw a golden opportunity while doing so to have New England knock this team down a notch or two in order to make them insanely hungry for Minnesota.

After a playoff season last year and some big acquisitions this year, I think Gibbs wanted to guard against overconfidence. Especially when overconfidence when it isn't warratned is one of the Redskins' biggest enemies historically (call it Norvitis if you wish). This is the kind of beating that Gibbs knows will drive this team to work harder than it has at any point this off-season and be as prepared as possible for Minnesota.
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The conclusions that this guy draws are less important to me than the factual observations he made about the scheme, lack of motion, etc.
 
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