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Watching youtube highlight videos of rookies.. (1 Viewer)

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Granted, seeing a player in action is better than just looking up his college stat line, but don't highlight reels make everybody look like a top 10 pick? What are you looking for specifically? What leads you to believe one player is better than another?

How do you find videos of players making "average plays" like catching a 7 yard pass in traffic for a first down instead of just seeing them run through a big hole for a 40 yard touchdown 8 times in a row?

 
Granted, seeing a player in action is better than just looking up his college stat line, but don't highlight reels make everybody look like a top 10 pick? What are you looking for specifically? What leads you to believe one player is better than another? How do you find videos of players making "average plays" like catching a 7 yard pass in traffic for a first down instead of just seeing them run through a big hole for a 40 yard touchdown 8 times in a row?
When you see a RB whose only highlights are running through 8 yard gaps in the line, it usually points to a back that cant produce highlights on their own. The last back I felt like that about was Mcfadden - all his runs were through gaping holes, and he never produced anything himself.More on point, look for game tapes - like "All carries vs. XXX team". Then you can watch all the good (and bad) action.
 
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It's pretty difficult to answer this question thoroughly. Quickly:

QB - I don't think highlights matter much at this position. I think you need to watch full games. Does the QB panic under pressure or stay poised and make plays? Does he handle adversity well? Does he play with confidence without being reckless/careless? Does he go through his progressions and find the second and third options when the first option is covered? Does he anticipate open receivers and throw to spots or does he always wait until the guy is open? Does he step up in the clutch? Is he capable of taking over games and becoming unstoppable? A good QB always finds a way to move the ball down the field. Think about the great NFL QBs. When those guys are in the zone, you know with almost 100% certainty that they're going to lead their team down the field for a score and there's nothing you can do to stop it (Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers all have this quality). That's what I look for in a QB prospect.

RB - By far the simplest skill position. Success hinges almost 100% on body type and raw athletic gifts assuming that a prospect has base levels of competence in vision and work ethic. Thin backs like Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson must have elite speed and/or exceptional quickness. Power backs like Shonn Greene and Jonathan Stewart must have strong lower bodies and tremendous leg drive. All backs must have fluid hips, quick feet, and good balance. In general, I look for squatty players with a great first step who can change directions on a dime and run hard enough to power through bad tackles. Most successful NFL backs fit this description. Speed is not essential if the player is built strong with fluid hips and a quick initial burst. Ideal size is not essential if the player is extremely fast with elite quickness and elusiveness. Bulk is more important than height, which is actually a negative at this position.

WR - Since there are so many different types of successful NFL WRs, I think you have to keep an open mind when you're evaluating a WR prospect. In general, I've found it helpful to separate them into three categories:

Power - Big WRs. Thick and strong. Usually lack blazing speed, but compensate with size and initial quickness.

archetypes: Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Terrell Owens, Michael Crabtree, Jerricho Cotchery

Speed - Fast WRs. Explosive speed and quickness.

archetypes: DeSean Jackson, Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Joe Galloway

Finesse - Thin WRs. Generally fast, but not necessarily burners. Elite body control. Elite route running ability. Smooth.

archetypes: Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Chad Ochocinco, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Greg Jennings

I'm also tempted to add a "possession" group for tall receivers who excel because they present a big target and catch everything in sight. Examples would include Sidney Rice, Randy Moss, and Marques Colston.

You might find these groupings kind of arbitrary and you might notice that some players could fit into more than one group. That's fine. The broader point is to develop an understanding of the various ways in which a defensive back can be beaten.

When I look at a WR prospect, the first thing I try to ask myself is "How is this guy going to beat an NFL DB?" Take Golden Tate as an example. Does he have the size to overpower NFL DBs? No, he's only 5'10" and not appreciably bigger than the average NFL DB. Does he have the speed to run by NFL DBs? No, he looks like a 4.45-4.50 guy who lacks a true second gear. Does he have elite body control and route running skills? He's decent in this department, but I don't see the precise body control, explosive first step, and fluid body control of Chad Ochocinco or Isaac Bruce. Tate lacks the size of a power receiver and the speed of a speed receiver. He's an undersized finesse WR with poor physical tools. He's unlikely to become a standout player in the NFL.

Now let's consider Demaryius Thomas. How is this guy going to beat an NFL DB? He's not a true speed burner either, but unlike Tate he has a physical trump card. At 6'3" 224 pounds, he's bigger and stronger than almost every DB in the NFL. He can overpower them before and after the catch, reducing his reliance on sheer speed. He has excellent body control for his size and he demonstrates the ability to win contested catches when blanketed. He will basically be impossible to cover on Sundays because he's fast enough to threaten corners downfield, quick enough to separate out of breaks, and big enough to physically dominate the opposition. He has the potential to become a standout player in the NFL.

Not every WR has to be a big. Not every WR has to be fast. But they should all have some kind of physical trait that gives them a decisive edge over the average defensive back. In general, all good WR prospects should have smooth change of direction skills, an explosive first step, reliable hands that vacuum any passes in their reach, and a well-proportioned frame that allows fluid movement. Work ethic and technique are more important traits at WR than they are at RB, but success or failure at this position still hinges mostly on raw athletic ability. Technique is largely a consequence of innate ability.

 
great posts EBF and thevidon, exactly what I was looking for.

As for the "all carries vs. X team" tapes, are these available on youtube or somewhere else?

 
Using regular game vids and highlight compilations:

QB - Do they tuck and run? Do they anticipate where the WR will be or wait for them to be open? Do they make the WR look better than they are or do the WRs make awesome catches to make the QB look good? Can they operate under center? Did they have a 70% completion percentage for more than 1 year? Do they stare down the WR they throw to? Do they have happy feet? Do they throw on a line or have a high arc? Big wind-up or quick release? Can they throw to the near sidelines, over the middle, or deep routes? Pro style offense or not? Starter all 4 years?

RB - Do they create on their own or only use large holes? Do they kick it outside the majority of the time? Can they find the seam and burst through it? Initial step - is it forward or sideways? Can they move on a dime? Football speed vs combine speed? Does he go down with ankle tackles or do the defenders have to wrap him up? Does he only carry the ball in a certain hand? When getting to the outside, can they move the ball to the outside, away from the defender? Do they have the vision to see when a crease in the line is opening or do they wait for a hole? Are 30% or more of their highlights as a returner instead of a RB? Option style offense or pro offense?

WR - Tall or short? How fast? Football speed vs combine speed? Catch with their hands or with their body? Look the ball into their hands? Can they make the highlight reel catch that most guys can't? Can they run decent routes or is the highlight just an outrunning of the defender (or no defender)? Do they get bumped at the line? Can they dive for a ball and catch it to show excellent hand/eye coordination and body control? Were they the focus of the offense? Do they have "the ball is mine!" attitude when going up for it? Yards after the catch? Do they make the QB look better than he is? Do they only play one side of the field? Spread offense or pro?

For all - Off the field issues? Did they change positions in the last 2-3 years? Leaving early vs staying all 4 years? I like QBs that start 3-4 years over 1 year guys. RBs and WRs staying all 4 years seem like roleplayers more than superstars.

I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of stuff, but this was off the top of my head.

 
I've always found it very difficult to tell a "good" WR rookie from a poor one from looking at their highlights. Great post EBF - thanks!

 
RB - By far the simplest skill position. Success hinges almost 100% on body type and raw athletic gifts assuming that a prospect has base levels of competence in vision and work ethic. Thin backs like Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson must have elite speed and/or exceptional quickness. Power backs like Shonn Greene and Jonathan Stewart must have strong lower bodies and tremendous leg drive. All backs must have fluid hips, quick feet, and good balance. In general, I look for squatty players with a great first step who can change directions on a dime and run hard enough to power through bad tackles. Most successful NFL backs fit this description. Speed is not essential if the player is built strong with fluid hips and a quick initial burst. Ideal size is not essential if the player is extremely fast with elite quickness and elusiveness. Bulk is more important than height, which is actually a negative at this position.
I don't agree with this, EBF, and I think we've talked this over several times in the past.100% on body type and raw athletic gifts? That means intelligence and football acumen have nothing to do with it?The biggest thing I want to see is a player who can deal with "in play adversity" - picking up yards after contact, finding holes, choosing correctly what to do and when, ball security, not dancing around the edge (as young players often do vs. lesser talent) - etc.In the NFL - EVERYONE is good. How you do against good competition is key.
 
i like this thread. most of what i'm looking at has already been posted, but good stuff. thanks OP for the idea.

 

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