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Thanks, I was just curious as their management seems to think this will all blow over and signups will go on as usual. BTW, I'm going to be taking my daughter along as my comanager this year (another contest, of course), so NFL and players, get your act together.
That post by Dustin is disgraceful. It's a blatant insult to the intelligence of people who competed in his contest. Man I feel for the guys who are owed money. It's simply disgusting what WCOFF has done.
i got out of WCOFF when Lenny and Emil sold it. glad i did.don't play in the high stakes leagues any more, but FFPC is the only one i would consider if i did. Dave and Alex do a great job.
Its been 38 days since this post. We are one week from the end of the 30-45 day window. It has become very clear that the "Sale" is only the forming of a new company without some of the old partners. Its all but certain that Dustin Ashby will still be in the new group, probably the face of it.Nothing new, its June and I along with others that are owed thousands and in some cases tens of thousans more than me still have not been paid. All we have heard since April is "The transaction is on track". What we have not (and I believe will not) heard is that the transaction will be finished by the deadline next week and the winners are getting paid.I would bet the odds are very high I will be able to post next month. Its July and I still haven't been paid. Any takers
I can only assume to is a lame attempt at humor, keep your day job.
Guess you missed the whole Maroney bet with Joe B and then not paying up...And I'm a student on scholarship - no day job
Not lame at all. Maroney is to this thread what LHUCKS is to...well...everything.
More important than what?
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joefootball has the same accent as maroney. post. the. picture. of. the. receipt. was that slow enough?
Than Joe's and Maroney's issue.More important than what?
Maybe it's more important to you. Not me. I find the Joe vs maroney more interesting.Than Joe's and Maroney's issue.More important than what?
Well, it panders to the simple crowd.Maybe it's more important to you. Not me. I find the Joe vs maroney more interesting.Than Joe's and Maroney's issue.More important than what?
That says plenty about you. There are people owed thousands, ten of thousands, and in a couple of cases over a hundred thousand dollars.This thread can severe as warning to FBG members to do their due dillagence about the WCOFF before spending their hard earned money or it can get derailed by people who are fascinated by small shiney objects.Maybe it's more important to you. Not me. I find the Joe vs maroney more interesting.Than Joe's and Maroney's issue.More important than what?
This really sucks. I have a credit of $350 from the Super Satellite League last year. If there is football this year, I'll use that credit but won't put additional money in over there. Instead, I'll look into the FBG high stakes league.
Perhaps you missed the earlier topics where Maroney was pimping another league which was not paying winners.That says plenty about you.Maybe it's more important to you. Not me. I find the Joe vs maroney more interesting.Than Joe's and Maroney's issue.More important than what?
Pretty sure the FPA is not a legal entity. From what I understand it's an organization comprised of fantasy players that simply speaks out in the interest of fantasy players. I suppose it's straight-forward ("amateur" as you call it) by design.This thing with WCOFF is really getting ugly. I looked over some of the major contests message boards and the money they owe is staggering.
It is true that they are under no obligation to respond to demands from anyone. But, by the same token, they shouldn't be upset in the future if FPA suggests to its' members and readers to avoid WCOFF until they can specifically address these legitimate concerns.
I agree. Which is why I think the FPA should take their role in the industry even a step further. They should reach out to ALL fantasy sports businesses: gaming platforms, content providers, etc. (anybody who charges a fee related to providing a fantasy sports product) and ask them to register as a provider. In return the site gets to proudly display an FPA banner with a link back to the FPA so their users can see that site's FPA rating. Run it like the Better Business Bureau of fantasy sports. When you get enough sites to participate, it puts pressure on other sites to join as well or face scrutiny from their customers. There has to be something more that can be done. I'm starting to see long time fantasy players becoming as disinfranchised as long term poker players 5 years ago. And we all know how that ended up. Industries that cannot regulate themselves have a way of eventually BEING regulated by the government or being outlawed entirely. We all need to find a way to somehow begin policing ourselves before the ability to do it is taken away.
I think FPA is pretty seriously overestimating their own position in the industry. Fantasy sport is a multi-billion dollar industry involving tens of millions of people; how many of them have even heard of the Fantasy Players Association? I hadn't, before the AFFL dispute. I mean, it's nice that there's a watchdog organization out there, but the last thing a shady dealer is going to do is respond to them, and they have no legal standing.'squistion said:
I would disagree. The high stakes part of FF is a very limited number of people. If that number was more than 1500 I'd be shocked. Most of the players in this market know each other directly or have a friend that knows someone else. The wcoff not responding will not go over well. To this point they have been lucky to have this occurring while many are not paying attention. But as we get the lockout ended and training camps open this will be an even bigger issue. Their request, demand or whatever one may term it is something that any reputable game operator should expect when they aren't paying people. The response from wcoff says a lot about what they think of their customers, many of whom have contacted the FPA for help.
The full FPA web site has not even launched yet. Once it does (I have heard mid-to-late July), I look for Scott and the FPA to take a true leadership role to protect fantasy players' interests. There is no organization out there currently doing that. The Fantasy Sports Trade Association certainly hasn't and continue not to do so. In fact, almost every known contest that has defaulted (or is currently in default like you know who) has been a card-carrying member of the FSTA, and yet we, as players have heard nary a peep from that organization about those defaults. They simply have shown by their continued indifference that they don't care about the fantasy players. All they seem to care about is making sure that everyone pays their trade show fees and protecting the industry trade itself, not the players that take part in fantasy games. We, at the FFPC, are fully supportive and respect the efforts of Scott, his board and the FPA. He is taking a crucial first step towards protecting the rights of fantasy players. It really isn't his fault that yet another contest chooses to default before he gets his site fully launched. I know many of us high stakes players have been supportive from day one of the FPA, and eventually the FPA could really emerge as the sole true watchdog of this industry.
How?
From what I have been told:- Contest reviews, ratings and recommendations
Great question, as we don't have a presence yet, we're only operating a blog as of current, but our website is set to launch in July. Our board members have committed themselves to contributing content to protect the fantasy players investments by telling what they know about the various contests and what they don't know they'll inquire directly from their owners and past players. That should be very valuable to all of us. We'll also help to document and resolve disputes you're having so that other potential customers can have a central place to see the issues that fantasy players have with various entities. Transparency is the key. It's not really what we're doing, it's what we're providing, for all of us, which is a platform to help make things as transparent as possible. If footballguys wrongs you in some way shouldn't others know about that before joining a contest FBG runs? Now FBG from memory has no record of transgressions that I'm aware of, but you as a consumer should have a place you can go for this critical information BEFORE you invest. Every industry has one, and soon, the fantasy industry will have one too. I am pretty confident you'll like what you see. For a screenshot look at the website, visit http://www.facebook.com/fantasypa
Valid question. I think we must all accept the fact that there is never 100% certainty with any organization, however the FPA will provide players with board trusted reviews and player rated reviews, so there will be no lack of information about a given organization. This will allow someone to make an informed decision before they purchase. Like others have said, this is much more than what we have today. As for WCOFF, you must not have gone back far enough as we did a complete investigative report on them and their late payment issues and were guaranteed by Dustin this would not happen in 2011. This unfortunately did not come to pass, but no fantasy player that followed the FPA blog can say they weren't aware of serious "potential" issues.
It's nice that there are folks who want to keep everyone informed and it's good to have a place where you can read some opinions about different games (like Amazon reviews or something) but that's the extent of the power the FPA will ever have. They can't force any company to even acknowledge them, they can't bring lawsuits on behalf of people and they're not in a position to demand anything of anyone.What would be interesting would be a group of attorneys who specifically monitor and research companies and offer limited services (letters to companies, following up on specific payouts). Winners could then choose to hire them to pursue the matters further.Anybody want to start the Fantasy Attorneys against Non-Compliant Games (FANG)?
That's certainly one perspective, another is that our reports and interviews were described as instrumental in the case against AFFL, we broke news on the fanball/ffoc situation and alerted the fantasy community to serious issues there, and generally speaking are the only organization even attempting to keep the fantasy public at large aware of the current WCOFF situation. We receive countless emails of gratitude from owed winners thankful for our efforts and I disagree, our reports and info reach out pretty far helping consumers to make educated decisions BEFORE they buy in this buyer beware market, so we're confident we're hitting our mission statement. Heck, some WCOFF ardent supporters think we've been too tough on them when we ask for the money! Now if you think the FPA should help sue the contest that's a different story. Are we where we'd like to be with regard to our website? No, and I take full responsibility for the site as our developer became unreliable but we're ecstatic about the new team we're working with and if you ask me we're still making an impact without the site. Thanks for your opinion but I wholeheartedly disagree with it.
Agreed. Let's at least give the FPA a chance to organize before we go pointing out what they've failed to do (or will fail miserably at doing in the future). It's not like the FPA has taken dues from anybody and failed to take action where it was warranted. I think it's a good concept and hope they can build up their credability over the next few years.
