Week 17 sits (1 Viewer)

[newbie_bewbie]

My league goes to week 17 (which I think sucks) and this being my second year doing fantasy football (or watching football for that matter), I dont have a very good understanding of what teams will do in week 17 in terms of sitting/limiting starters.

Basically, I'm trying to figure out which teams I should be cautious about using players from in week 17 for the championship. Are there many teams that you forsee sitting/limiting starters?

How about teams that are completely out of the playoffs?

 

[packersfan]

If the Broncos win tonight and New England wins next week Denver will be locked into the No. 2 seed in the AFC for their late game. So I'd assume the key Broncos will sit. Peyton will probably get a token start like he used to get for the Colts but I would think the main guys will all sit or play a series or two and then go out.

The Colts still have a shot at the three seed in the AFC but we saw how quickly they pulled Luck yesterday and didn't play Hilton at all. So their top guys look real risky.

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I think those are the only teams with any potential issues.

 

[newbie_bewbie]

If the Broncos win tonight and New England wins next week Denver will be locked into the No. 2 seed in the AFC for their late game. So I'd assume the key Broncos will sit. Peyton will probably get a token start like he used to get for the Colts but I would think the main guys will all sit or play a series or two and then go out.

The Colts still have a shot at the three seed in the AFC but we saw how quickly they pulled Luck yesterday and didn't play Hilton at all. So their top guys look real risky.

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I think those are the only teams with any potential issues.

Awesome, thanks for the great response!Do teams that are out of the playoffs typically bench starters too?

 

[Darryl Talley]

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I see that Arizona and Seattle play after the Cowboys. So that means the Cowboys have to play to win.

 

[packersfan]

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I see that Arizona and Seattle play after the Cowboys. So that means the Cowboys have to play to win.

Garrett said today the starters will play. That doesn't mean anything. I remember Dungy saying the same thing years ago with the Colts and yeah the starters "started" but all got yanked quickly.

The discussion we're having in the Cowboys thread is whether the remote possibility of earning a Top 2 seed is worth putting key players at risk in terms of a potential injury. Based on what Jones and Garrett have said it sounds like the Cowboys are going to play to win with their top guys. It's possible we've gotten clues already based on how long the key guys stayed in the game yesterday and in the blowout win over the Jags in London.

 

[newbie_bewbie]

I would really appreciate it if Romo played (well) the whole game lol... But I could see how Cowboys fans wouldn't want them to.

 

[Darryl Talley]

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I see that Arizona and Seattle play after the Cowboys. So that means the Cowboys have to play to win.

Garrett said today the starters will play. That doesn't mean anything. I remember Dungy saying the same thing years ago with the Colts and yeah the starters "started" but all got yanked quickly.

The discussion we're having in the Cowboys thread is whether the remote possibility of earning a Top 2 seed is worth putting key players at risk in terms of a potential injury. Based on what Jones and Garrett have said it sounds like the Cowboys are going to play to win with their top guys. It's possible we've gotten clues already based on how long the key guys stayed in the game yesterday and in the blowout win over the Jags in London.

That's interesting to me. Injury risk outweighing a first-round bye. I would not discount the 49ers beating the Cardinals (with a new QB). Seattle obviously should win but who really knows in this league.

 

[packersfan]

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I see that Arizona and Seattle play after the Cowboys. So that means the Cowboys have to play to win.

Garrett said today the starters will play. That doesn't mean anything. I remember Dungy saying the same thing years ago with the Colts and yeah the starters "started" but all got yanked quickly.

The discussion we're having in the Cowboys thread is whether the remote possibility of earning a Top 2 seed is worth putting key players at risk in terms of a potential injury. Based on what Jones and Garrett have said it sounds like the Cowboys are going to play to win with their top guys. It's possible we've gotten clues already based on how long the key guys stayed in the game yesterday and in the blowout win over the Jags in London.

That's interesting to me. Injury risk outweighing a first-round bye. I would not discount the 49ers beating the Cardinals (with a new QB). Seattle obviously should win but who really knows in this league.

Yeah that's the thing. I think most people would expect the Seahawks to win at home. I certainly do. But this game has all sorts of nutty things that happen every single week. Few things in this league are guaranteed.

Pagano's saying today he's going to play the starters against the Titans because the Colts need to get some good momentum going heading into the playoffs. I think he's right. That's a team that badly needs to right itself going into the postseason.

 

[humpback]

We've been discussing the Cowboys in the main Cowboys thread. They still have a chance to be a Top 2 seed and Jerry Jones said he expects the top players to play. I gotta think Murray's a good bet to sit, though, but that's just a guess.

I see that Arizona and Seattle play after the Cowboys. So that means the Cowboys have to play to win.

Garrett said today the starters will play. That doesn't mean anything. I remember Dungy saying the same thing years ago with the Colts and yeah the starters "started" but all got yanked quickly.

The discussion we're having in the Cowboys thread is whether the remote possibility of earning a Top 2 seed is worth putting key players at risk in terms of a potential injury. Based on what Jones and Garrett have said it sounds like the Cowboys are going to play to win with their top guys. It's possible we've gotten clues already based on how long the key guys stayed in the game yesterday and in the blowout win over the Jags in London.

That's interesting to me. Injury risk outweighing a first-round bye. I would not discount the 49ers beating the Cardinals (with a new QB). Seattle obviously should win but who really knows in this league.

I'm pretty sure that the only way this game matters for Dallas is if Detroit and GB tie and one of Arizona or Seattle lose.

 

[packersfan]

From Todd Archer's column on ESPN this morning:

Dallas clinches home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with:

1) DAL win + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB tie

Dallas clinches a first-round bye with:

1) DAL win + SEA loss or tie + ARI loss or tie OR
2) DAL win + DET/GB tie OR
3) DAL tie + SEA loss + ARI loss OR
4) DAL tie + SEA tie + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB does not end in a tie

 

[humpback]

From Todd Archer's column on ESPN this morning:

Dallas clinches home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with:

1) DAL win + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB tie

Dallas clinches a first-round bye with:

1) DAL win + SEA loss or tie + ARI loss or tie OR

2) DAL win + DET/GB tie OR

3) DAL tie + SEA loss + ARI loss OR

4) DAL tie + SEA tie + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB does not end in a tie

You left out his last line:

I believe it is possible for the Cowboys to earn a bye even with a loss to the Redskins, provided the Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals lose their finales.

 

[packersfan]

From Todd Archer's column on ESPN this morning:

Dallas clinches home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with:

1) DAL win + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB tie

Dallas clinches a first-round bye with:

1) DAL win + SEA loss or tie + ARI loss or tie OR

2) DAL win + DET/GB tie OR

3) DAL tie + SEA loss + ARI loss OR

4) DAL tie + SEA tie + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB does not end in a tie

You left out his last line:

I believe it is possible for the Cowboys to earn a bye even with a loss to the Redskins, provided the Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals lose their finales.

I haven't seen that anywhere else which is why I didn't include it. That's the only mention I've seen that has the Cowboys earning a Top 2 seed with a loss. Everything I've seen so far says they need to win and then have other stuff occur. Archer also says "it is possible" but didn't confirm it which is why I'm assuming he didn't put it in the list he posted in the story.

 

[TDorBust]

From Todd Archer's column on ESPN this morning:

Dallas clinches home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with:

1) DAL win + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB tie

Dallas clinches a first-round bye with:

1) DAL win + SEA loss or tie + ARI loss or tie OR

2) DAL win + DET/GB tie OR

3) DAL tie + SEA loss + ARI loss OR

4) DAL tie + SEA tie + ARI loss or tie + DET/GB does not end in a tie

You left out his last line:

I believe it is possible for the Cowboys to earn a bye even with a loss to the Redskins, provided the Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals lose their finales.

I haven't seen that anywhere else which is why I didn't include it. That's the only mention I've seen that has the Cowboys earning a Top 2 seed with a loss. Everything I've seen so far says they need to win and then have other stuff occur. Archer also says "it is possible" but didn't confirm it which is why I'm assuming he didn't put it in the list he posted in the story.

If they both lose the Seahawks win the West and the Cowboys have the tiebreaker so even if the Cowboys would lose they would get the #2 seed. Its not anywhere else and I am not sure why?

 

[packersfan]

If they both lose they would finish 11-5 but Seattle would have the better conference record. Since there would be at least three teams with 11-5 records in that scenario (Dallas, Seattle, Detroit-GB loser) and maybe four (Arizona) wouldn't conference record be the first tiebreaker? I believe that would take precedence over H2H matchup since more than two teams would have the same record. The Cowboys currently have the worst conference record of all the 11-4 teams so I'm not sure how they can lose and still get a Top 2 seed. Unless I'm misunderstanding the tiebreaker procedures.

 

[Zow]

I can see Dallas sitting Murray, but since they have a shot at the 2 seed and a bye that would seem important enough to play to win. Especially with the 6 seed likely being Arizona or Seattle.

 

[stbugs]

If they both lose they would finish 11-5 but Seattle would have the better conference record. Since there would be at least three teams with 11-5 records in that scenario (Dallas, Seattle, Detroit-GB loser) and maybe four (Arizona) wouldn't conference record be the first tiebreaker? I believe that would take precedence over H2H matchup since more than two teams would have the same record. The Cowboys currently have the worst conference record of all the 11-4 teams so I'm not sure how they can lose and still get a Top 2 seed. Unless I'm misunderstanding the tiebreaker procedures.

No, conference record won't matter. The NFC North winner will be 12-4, so the tie breaker would be Seattle vs Dallas head to head. The other two 11-5 teams don't matter as they wouldn't be division leaders, so not in discussion for the bye.

 

[packersfan]

This is from NFL.com. Still not seeing anything that says Dallas can get a Top 2 seed with a loss.

The Cowboys clinch home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with: a win plus a Cardinals loss or tie and a Lions-Packers tie.

Dallas clinches a first-round bye with:
1) a win plus a Seahawks loss or tie plus a Cardinals loss or tie
2) a win plus a Lions-Packers tie
3) a tie plus a Seahawks loss and a Cardinals loss
4) a tie plus a Seahawks tie, a Cardinals loss or tie and Lions-Packers does not end in a tie

 

[sn0mm1s]

This is from NFL.com. Still not seeing anything that says Dallas can get a Top 2 seed with a loss.

The Cowboys clinch home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with: a win plus a Cardinals loss or tie and a Lions-Packers tie.

Dallas clinches a first-round bye with:

1) a win plus a Seahawks loss or tie plus a Cardinals loss or tie

2) a win plus a Lions-Packers tie

3) a tie plus a Seahawks loss and a Cardinals loss

4) a tie plus a Seahawks tie, a Cardinals loss or tie and Lions-Packers does not end in a tie

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

Seattle Loss, Cowboy Loss, Card Loss = Cowboy 1st round bye.

 

[humpback]

If Seattle, Arizona, and Dallas all lose, they all finish with the same 11-5 record. Since Arizona and Seattle are in the same division, they break that tie first, which Seattle wins h2h. Seattle and Dallas would then go to the tie-breaker for conference seeding, which Dallas would win via h2h.

 

[packersfan]

I'll take your guys' word for it but I still think it's odd that the NFL's own web site doesn't mention that possibility.

In any event, Garrett and Jones have both said the starters will play like it's a normal game so as of today there's nothing to indicate anyone other than possibly Murray will sit out this week.