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Wes Welker goes down with bad knee injury (1 Viewer)
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Snookie!
What's your grandma's 40 time?
nerangers
Footballguy
Is she available...the Pats are going to need some help!
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Local radio station is saying its an ACL tear. Probably speculation until the MRI is done but usually the trainers can tell. ACL is typically a 6-9 month recovery so that will put him right at the beginning of next season if it truly is an ACL tear.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
9 months puts him into October and then he likely won't be 100%.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
very bad news for 2010 then... he won't be right until 2011
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
6 months puts him into July. All depends on the person and their individual recovery. Braylon Edwards went down in December and was back by preseason the next season. Jerry Rice was back in 3 months and rehurt himself. All depends but you know Welker will work his butt off.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Being back and ....BEING BACK are two different things. A lot of players aren't really 100% for two years.
You know Snookie is a Vet Tech. That's why she does not want to eat anything that's alive before you kill it.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
You talking about that Jersey Shore chick? Can we keep this about Wes.Wes missing the Playoffs is terrible...
Spike
Footballguy
Especially for the type of player Welker is.
PantherPower
Footballguy
does this open a window for Tate next season, assuming he's healthy?
Source: Welker tears ACL, MCL
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ESPN.com news services
HOUSTON -- New England Patriots receiver Wes Welker tore both his anterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament in his left knee in Sunday's game against the Houston Texans, but he is scheduled to undergo more testing Monday, a source close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Welker left the game in the first quarter after getting hurt on a reception and did not return. Welker tried to plant his left foot after making a catch and that's when the injury occurred.
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AP Photo/Dave EinselWes Welker is carted into the locker room after hurting his left knee.
Welker was helped to the sideline by members of the Patriots' medical staff. He buried his head in a towel while sitting on the bench and was later carted to the locker room.
Patriots coach Bill Belichick did not have an update on Welker's status after his team's 34-27 loss.
Welker caught a pass from Tom Brady on New England's first possession and his knee appeared to buckle as he turned upfield.
When Welker went down, a nearby player immediately called for medical help. Brady and receiver Randy Moss kneeled over Welker, and Belichick also walked out from the sideline to check on Welker.
Welker entered the game with 122 catches for 1,336 yards and four touchdowns this season.
Information from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, ESPNBoston.com's Mike Reiss and The Associated Press was used in this report.
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HOUSTON -- New England Patriots receiver Wes Welker tore both his anterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament in his left knee in Sunday's game against the Houston Texans, but he is scheduled to undergo more testing Monday, a source close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Welker left the game in the first quarter after getting hurt on a reception and did not return. Welker tried to plant his left foot after making a catch and that's when the injury occurred.
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AP Photo/Dave EinselWes Welker is carted into the locker room after hurting his left knee.
Welker was helped to the sideline by members of the Patriots' medical staff. He buried his head in a towel while sitting on the bench and was later carted to the locker room.
Patriots coach Bill Belichick did not have an update on Welker's status after his team's 34-27 loss.
Welker caught a pass from Tom Brady on New England's first possession and his knee appeared to buckle as he turned upfield.
When Welker went down, a nearby player immediately called for medical help. Brady and receiver Randy Moss kneeled over Welker, and Belichick also walked out from the sideline to check on Welker.
Welker entered the game with 122 catches for 1,336 yards and four touchdowns this season.
Information from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, ESPNBoston.com's Mike Reiss and The Associated Press was used in this report.
Wow. I hope he comes back full strength. Tough, tough break.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Say what you want about Belichick, but can anyone argue the guy's eye for talent?
People though the Pats were NUTS for trading a second and seventh round pick for this guy a few years ago and now we're talking about his injury potentially killing the Pats postseason chances. Any single team in the NFL could have signed him to a restricted offer sheet that offseason. I hope he comes back to full strength.
People though the Pats were NUTS for trading a second and seventh round pick for this guy a few years ago and now we're talking about his injury potentially killing the Pats postseason chances. Any single team in the NFL could have signed him to a restricted offer sheet that offseason. I hope he comes back to full strength.
TLEF316
Footballguy
i don't think anyone has ever questioned that. They question other things about him.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Good job trading for a guy with weak knees.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I would say Edelman has looked awesome considering he never played WR before he became a Patriot. I do not think the Pats will miss a beat offensively because of Edelman, I am not saying he has all the intangibles that Wes does, but if 1 team can win without that, it is the Pats.
If I remember correctly he has decent speed but insane quickness which will make him a very tough cover for anyone.
If I remember correctly he has decent speed but insane quickness which will make him a very tough cover for anyone.
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switz
Footballguy
Wow, on non-contact that's CRAZY. I honestly feel bad for the Pats and Welker. I never wish injury on anyone, no matter what team they play for.
switz
Footballguy
What lies was I spreading?
Jimmy James
Footballguy
This Dolphins fan hates to see the one Patriot he kind of likes go down with something like this. Okay, I hated to see even Tom Brady go down to injury, but the Brady injury left me at least a little conflicted.
What's the track record with receivers and ACL tears? I feel pretty confident with most RBs and non-mobile QBs, but it seems to me that there is something about both mobile QBs and WRs that would make me worry about the player ever being right again...
What's the track record with receivers and ACL tears? I feel pretty confident with most RBs and non-mobile QBs, but it seems to me that there is something about both mobile QBs and WRs that would make me worry about the player ever being right again...
My bad, I am referring to the Tom Brady rib injury thread.What lies was I spreading?
switz
Footballguy
Replied there, see you in that thread.My bad, I am referring to the Tom Brady rib injury thread.What lies was I spreading?
DropKick
Footballguy
Some serious denial there... Losing a player of Welker's caliber would be devastating to any team. Edelman is somewhat of a "Welker lite" but there goes a big part of the limited depth NE has at the WR position.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Rodney Harrison just said the injury was and I quote "devastating"...I think he has some idea what he's talking about being an ex-Pat.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I don't get the switz hate on this board. Opinionated guy, but isn't that the purpose of a message board??? That unprompted "lies" comment just isn't necessary. Man, I wish people just wanted to get along better instead of sniping so much. I know I'd be around more than I am these days (not that anyone cares whether I'm around or not, LOL).What lies was I spreading?
As a Pats fan I don't think you can overstate how badly the loss of Wes will hurt the Pats. Aside from Brady he's the main cog in the Pats offense and you can't just replace him with a guy like Edelman. This loss is huge, I'm sick right now. I never expected to win the SB but I would have at least liked to see how we'd have faired if we were close to 100%. The Pats are not nearly the same team without Welker as was evidenced earlier this year when he was out. Absolutely devestating.
The Switz lies are related to the Tom Brady rib injury thread.Couch Potato said:I don't get the switz hate on this board. Opinionated guy, but isn't that the purpose of a message board??? That unprompted "lies" comment just isn't necessary. Man, I wish people just wanted to get along better instead of sniping so much. I know I'd be around more than I am these days (not that anyone cares whether I'm around or not, LOL).switz said:What lies was I spreading?biggyd said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Whew....THANK GOD!!!MAC_32 said:
The Ref
Footballguy
Hey Commish. Can we stop the "we need the rules committee to do something RE: teams laying down at the end of the season" talk now? I'm sure there were a lot of Dolphin and Steelers fans happy to see the Patriots playing the game to win today, but there are not that many Patriot fans that are happy about our arguably second best player going down in flames in a meaningless game.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I'm sure it would have been a gigantic relief to Pat fan nation if Wes Welker's knee buckled on the way to his car after cheering on his teammates in street clothing because it was just that sure he wasn't seeing action. This was a non-contact injury. This does not prove the point that teams should tank games if they perceive tanking to be in their strategic interest. If anything, it goes against that idea. It reveals that injuries can just happen.
The Ref
Footballguy
Your not going to sit here and actually make the argument that it was just as likely that Welker would have hurt himself on the sideline as participating in an NFL game are you?It 100% proves the point in every way possible and to argue otherwise is a fishing trip worthy of the FFA on a Friday morning.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
With a contact injury, of course you can't say this injury could happen anywhere.
With a non-contact injury, I do believe that it could have happened in any situation the knee was used. I think you'd have to probably at minimum have an MRI of the knee from just before the injury to put odds on what really caused it. You don't know the number of people I have seen in threads talking about ACL tears who have mentioned walking across a parking lot, climbing stairs, jogging, and all manner of normal activity that has resulted in an ACL tear for them. I think if they weren't such freak injuries, the doctors and other people who have tons of money riding on pro athletes would find a way to protect the players against them far better.
With a non-contact injury, I do believe that it could have happened in any situation the knee was used. I think you'd have to probably at minimum have an MRI of the knee from just before the injury to put odds on what really caused it. You don't know the number of people I have seen in threads talking about ACL tears who have mentioned walking across a parking lot, climbing stairs, jogging, and all manner of normal activity that has resulted in an ACL tear for them. I think if they weren't such freak injuries, the doctors and other people who have tons of money riding on pro athletes would find a way to protect the players against them far better.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This is a ridiculous post.Non-contact doesn't matter. Most ACL injuries are non-contact. You typically get ACL injuries from trying to make sharp cuts, which Welker was doing here. Unless Welker runs up to fire hydrants and tries to juke them on the walk back to his car there's not really a comparison here.I know three people that have torn their ACLs playing flag football, a non-contact game. Surprisingly, they've successfully walked to their car a combined 4,000 times without ever tearing an ACL.We hardly ever see players miss time from injuries that occurred outside of football, and we've never seen one miss time for walking back to their car. Think about it, the first non-football related injury everyone remembers when you bring up the subject is Brian Griese spraining his ankle by tripping over his dog in a drunken stupor. That was just a mere sprained ankle, and it was more than SEVEN YEARS AGO. Yet we STILL remember it, that's how rare it is.Meanwhile, there have been approximately a gajillion non-contact injuries to players while playing football since then.
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The Ref
Footballguy
Is it imposible that Welker could have torn an ACL this week without playing in the game? No. But it's x% more likely for it to happen while playing in a meaningless NFL game, as far as the Patriots go (with x% being a number around 80% IMHO). No reason it should have happened in this game.
conflunctuous
Footballguy
Kind of like Joseph Addai.switz said:
Jimmy James
Footballguy
He makes plenty of hard cuts in practice, doesn't he? Perhaps getting into his car is a bit absurd. I can't point to a specific example of that. I can point to a number of specific examples where ACLs were torn in practice situations, though.
