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Wes Welker's Time To Shine? His Fantasy Forecast for 2014! (1 Viewer)

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Explain how and why you think he will perform this year. Barrying injury, with Decker Gone (and adding Emmanuel Sanders), my prediction is he will catch 92 balls for 950 yards and 11 TD's. I factored in Decker's departure as well as using the stats over 16 games in 2013. If you recall, Welker only played in 13 games last year and had 73 receptions, 778 yards and 10TD's.

Do you think this is true ? Thoughts and Opinions?

 
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Seems to me he is falling in most drafts. Was able to get him in the 5th round and I thought he was a steal there in the FBG Players Championship (PPR League).

Thoughts?

 
I don't know about shine, but if you look at his stats the last 6 years, he seems like a fair value and a safe bet.

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.
So 91-988-11 isn't good enough for Wr15-20?

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.
So 91-988-11 isn't good enough for Wr15-20?
I suppose it would be, but I'd wager on a bit of a decline. Factor in the slight (at least) injury risk, and I can see why people might shy away. I'll be keeping my eye on him, though, and looking to buy, for the right price.

 
Yudkins hate for welker coming out

Hes gonna be a PPR monster, again this year, another camp/pre-season with Peyton to get even more on the same page.

YES PLEASE

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.
So 91-988-11 isn't good enough for Wr15-20?
If his role is more like the second half of the year, 82-766-4 in a 0 ppr league would be WR40 range, not WR15.

 
Yudkins hate for welker coming out

Hes gonna be a PPR monster, again this year, another camp/pre-season with Peyton to get even more on the same page.

YES PLEASE
I have no hate for Welker. I see Sanders getting most of the work Decker got, Thomas being the red zone guy, and Latimer getting integrated into the offense. Add in the injury/concussion risk and I suspect the Broncos will be moving on from Welker next year.

Even in ppr leagues, 82-766-4 would be in the WR30 range. I think his TD production early in the season last year was more a fluke than the norm.

 
I don't see a decline. I think it really comes down a really big 1k+YRD 10+TD season or another injury. Predictable per game production, but it's all about guessing on his health.

 
Ithink it's J. Edelman's time to shine in Welker's old spot with NE.. :cool:

as for Welker, I think he'll hold serve this season, doing his usual 90-ish catches.I think the OP was pretty much dead-on with his assumption of 92-950, but probably closer to 7-8 tds rather than the 11TDs the OP is predicting..

he's a safe bet to finish as a top 20 WR..

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.
So 91-988-11 isn't good enough for Wr15-20?
I suppose it would be, but I'd wager on a bit of a decline. Factor in the slight (at least) injury risk, and I can see why people might shy away. I'll be keeping my eye on him, though, and looking to buy, for the right price.
I think there's arguments for a decline (Manning coming back to earth, age, injury), but also arguments for stability or even an increase (another year in the system, no Decker). I think the catches and yards are a pretty decent baseline for his stats and perhaps the TDs are a bit on the high end.

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.
So 91-988-11 isn't good enough for Wr15-20?
If his role is more like the second half of the year, 82-766-4 in a 0 ppr league would be WR40 range, not WR15.
You argued statistics/probabilities in another thread. Things balance out, especially in an offense where the ball gets spread around. I don't think just looking at the second half - especially when he was injured during that time - is all that productive of a viewpoint.

How was his "role" different in the second half of the season?

 
Welker ended up playing in 16 games . . .

First 8 games: 50-555-9

Second 8 games: 41-383-2

I don't get the warm and fuzzies for this year. I see Sanders and Latimer doing well enough to cut into Welker's production. IMO, not worth a WR15-20 draft pick in redraft leagues.
So 91-988-11 isn't good enough for Wr15-20?
If his role is more like the second half of the year, 82-766-4 in a 0 ppr league would be WR40 range, not WR15.
You argued statistics/probabilities in another thread. Things balance out, especially in an offense where the ball gets spread around. I don't think just looking at the second half - especially when he was injured during that time - is all that productive of a viewpoint.

How was his "role" different in the second half of the season?
He may have been banged up, but I seem to remember they just sat him entirely after he had a concussion and then he played a regular workload in the playoffs.

In looking at the splits, he averaged 11.1 ypr in the first 8 games and 9.3 ypr in the last 8 games. He also averaged a TD every 5.5 catches early in the season and a TD every 20.5 receptions over the latter part of the season. In short, it seemed like he was really more of a safety valve later in the year and less involved in the red zone. From the games I say Denver play, he seemed less involved overall later in the year.

Again, in the could be something or could be nothing category, Manning's numbers dipped some too first half vs. second half over the entire regular and post season. Splitting the season into 10 games and 9 games, Manning averaged 50 fewer yards and one less TD per game over the second half. That would have put him on pace for "only" 5000 yards and 43 TD. Those are still crazy good numbers, but they might be more in line for what to expect this year from Manning (basically 500 fewer yards and a dip of 10-12 TD).

 
I've always been a Welker guy, usually owning him in multiple leagues, and typically targeting him as a solid value pick in most drafts. This year, I think I'm more hesitant than I've ever been in the past, for a couple of reasons. The biggest thing, for me, is his age/health, and how that factors in with how he's used as a weapon. Welker's bread and butter has been doing a lot of the "dirty work"... i.e. catching short/quick passes over the middle. Keeping that in mind, it's not a surprise that he missed 3 games last year. Heck, it might even be a miracle that he played in as many as he did... Not just last year, but over the course of the last half-dozen seasons. He's been extremely durable, which is one of the reasons that he's been one of my favorite players to watch, over the years. Just an all-around tough guy. If John Madden still did his all tough-guy team (or whatever it was called), Welker would be a perennial member.

So, health/age/durability is a concern. Sooner or later, being a tough guy in the NFL seems to catch up with you. In other words, in my mind, it's not a matter of if Welker misses time this year, it's when. He's going to once again do a lot of the dirty work, and he'll take his share of shots as a result. That doesn't mean I'll shy away from him, but I have to somewhat temper expectations. I no longer view him as a low WR1 or high WR2 (in standard sized leagues). I think he's a WR2 in deep leagues, and I'd be thrilled to have him as my WR3, but I don't think I could live with him as my top guy, and if he's my #2, I'd better have some depth behind him. Not because he can't end up with 90/1000/10, but because the risk is there.

Add in the fact that they added Latimer, and I'm concerned just enough that I'm going to think twice before drafting Welker. I'll probably still pick the guy, if he's there at a point where I think there's value, but the risk is there. He's bound to have another concussion (or knee injury, etc.), sooner or later. In dynasty leagues, I wouldn't say that I'm actively shopping Welker, but I'm less inclined to hold him. If I can get some value for him now, it might be the prudent move.

On the other hand, Sanders is no Eric Decker. Sanders didn't do squat in Pittsburgh, and if he puts up numbers this year, it will be because of one thing... Peyton Manning. Decker, on the other hand, is a stud, and he'll (once again) prove it this year, when he has a lesser QB (and no supporting cast). So, in that sense, yeah... Welker's targets may not decrease all that much. I'm more concerned that he stays on the field, than I am with others eating into his playing time and/or targets. When healthy, Welker will be on the field (and Peyton will throw to him).

 
Welker amassed some pretty reasonable catch and yardage numbers last year, but his TD rate doesn't seem repeatable. He managed a .091 td/tar in Denver, but never exceeded .057 with Tom Brady. The Broncos have a lot more weapons forcing defensive attention in the red-zone, which could offer somewhat of an explanation; but I still don't set such a high expectation.

Give Welker 126 targets, 68% completion, 7.8 yards/target, 0.60 td/target = 86 rec, 983 yards, 7.6 tds.

In PPR that makes for a decent WR2. Strangely enough, on MFL he has near identical ADP for PPR and non-PPR. As the 25th wide receiver off the board in the 5th round, Welker makes a pretty decent value in re-draft. For a dynasty squad in a championship window, it doesn't get any cheaper. I just traded him for a 2.11 - a boob-slapping good value for a WR2 lasting a season or two.

 
Welker amassed some pretty reasonable catch and yardage numbers last year, but his TD rate doesn't seem repeatable. He managed a .091 td/tar in Denver, but never exceeded .057 with Tom Brady. The Broncos have a lot more weapons forcing defensive attention in the red-zone, which could offer somewhat of an explanation; but I still don't set such a high expectation.

Give Welker 126 targets, 68% completion, 7.8 yards/target, 0.60 td/target = 86 rec, 983 yards, 7.6 tds.

In PPR that makes for a decent WR2. Strangely enough, on MFL he has near identical ADP for PPR and non-PPR. As the 25th wide receiver off the board in the 5th round, Welker makes a pretty decent value in re-draft. For a dynasty squad in a championship window, it doesn't get any cheaper. I just traded him for a 2.11 - a boob-slapping good value for a WR2 lasting a season or two.
Those numbers seem reasonable. I'd agree that his TDs will go down. Manning isn't going to throw for over 50 TDs again for one thing and as you said Welker's TD rate isn't likely to be sustainable either.

 
IMO the red flags on Welker (age, concussions, slow second half, unsustainable TD rate, Manning's likely regression) outweigh the positives at this point. I don't know that he'll really benefit from Decker leaving because at this point he's not going to be as effective downfield and outside the hash marks.

On the other hand, I don't really see Sanders as a threat to take the type of targets that Welker thrives on -- Sanders is quick enough to get open in a phone booth but is way too soft to make tough catches at the LB level of the defense.

I expect 80 - 800 - 5 or so personally.

 

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