Westbrook or Bush ? (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Brian Westbrooks is a small runner with great speed, a nose for the endzone, and is an exceptional receiver out of the backfield. He is used a multitude of passing situations and often even split out to create mismatches. He might find himself in a bit of a RBBC situation this year as the team tries to commit at least a passing effort to do something resembling what is known as a rushing attempt.

Reggie Bush, as you may have heard, is a highly hype, highly talented, untested rookie with a similar skill set to Westbrook. While not established in the NFL outside of 1 long run, he is pretty much a lock to be a successful back in some sense of the word. He will be used to create mismatches, he's too quick to be covered by linebackers and probably safeties as well. He has a QB now with a long history of throwing to his backs. He is lightning in a bottle, but a bit undersized to be a pound-it-up-your- runner.

Neither project to get much more than 200 carries. Obviously Bush has a former Pro Bowler to contend with in Deuce (albeit a returning from injury Deuce). Westbrook has to contend with a coach that seems to think throwing is pretty fun!

Who will finish the season better? And why?

 

[gocats]

Id rather have the proven guy at this point

 

[zenzephyros]

Westbrook is the centerpiece of the Philly offense... rushing AND passing. And this year they will rush even more. Although Bush will be a stud in short time, he is working with another stud back in Deuce and a great WR in Horn. Not to mention the fact that he is playing in New Orleans... something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Westbrook will definitely have more points.

 

[MLBrandow]

:IBTL:

 

[Sabertooth]

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[Dolfan]

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[Judge Smails]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

 

[Sabertooth]

That's what I mean. I think when the Labor day weekend gets here, these two will be neck and neck. I think Bush is the better player.

 

[J-Co]

Good topic.

I'd have to say it's a tough call at this point. Drafting today, I think I'd have to take Bush. I'm not scared off by the "unproven" label as I think barring injury he's about as can't miss as they come. Deuce still being a factor in the offense is my #1 concern. Westbrook on the other hand is the proven commodity. At the same time, that means his upside is a little more limited. What concerns me with him is his injury history and more importantly the fact that he's already dinged up and the season hasn't even started. At this point, I have to go with the player that's healthy.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Good topic.

I'd have to say it's a tough call at this point. Drafting today, I think I'd have to take Bush. I'm not scared off by the "unproven" label as I think barring injury he's about as can't miss as they come. Deuce still being a factor in the offense is my #1 concern. Westbrook on the other hand is the proven commodity. At the same time, that means his upside is a little more limited. What concerns me with him is his injury history and more importantly the fact that he's already dinged up and the season hasn't even started. At this point, I have to go with the player that's healthy.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

Wow. I haven't seen Westbrook fall that far in any league I've been in so far.His injury must be scaring a LOT of owners away.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

Wow. I haven't seen Westbrook fall that far in any league I've been in so far.His injury must be scaring a LOT of owners away.

In a PPR league, he's still in my top 7-10.

 

[CYP]

I pick 9 in a ppr league and im really thinking of going Westbrook/Bush at 9 and 12

 

[brewer]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

Wow. I haven't seen Westbrook fall that far in any league I've been in so far.His injury must be scaring a LOT of owners away.

Just took Westbrook at 24 in a 10 teamer. Bush was already gone at 22 however.

 

[Roc Pile]

how many people think westbrook will be just fine for week 1... .after that im sure he'll get hurt, but what i'm asking is, do people think reid is covering up something worse then it is or just being safe..

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

how many people think westbrook will be just fine for week 1... .after that im sure he'll get hurt, but what i'm asking is, do people think reid is covering up something worse then it is or just being safe..

I think the Eagles are being cautious and he'll start week one. I have little to base this on.

 

[cr8f]

Reggie Bush, as you may have heard, is a highly hype, highly talented, untested rookie with a similar skill set to Westbrook.

I don't agree. Bush can line up at WR and outperm many in the league. Although better he isn't in as a good a situation but also stays healthy to this point.Westbrook if healthy is in better situation, but I still prefer Bush.

 

[cr8f]

Id rather have the proven guy at this point

Even a proven injury risk?

 

[FGITLOTR]

I'm in a twelve team league (PPR) and will be drafting from the last spot--that said, I'm also seriously considering taking Westy and Bush with the 12/13th picks. In PPR, you can ignore these guys in the late first/second rounds. I'd rather gamble on these guys then wind up with a McGahee, KJ, or Taylor

 

[hammerd]

Would being in a keeper PPR league sway you guys towards Bush over Westbrook, even if you thought Westbrook was in the better CURRENT situation?

 

[FGITLOTR]

westy--he's the undisputed starter and will catch a ton of balls out of the backfield--we have to wait and see what the deal is with his foot, but I would take him over Bush in PPR..It will be interesting to see how Bush holds up physically in the NFL

 

[NOONAN]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

Wow. I haven't seen Westbrook fall that far in any league I've been in so far.His injury must be scaring a LOT of owners away.

Just took Westbrook at 24 in a 10 teamer. Bush was already gone at 22 however.

Westy @ #24? I want to draft with you guys!!!Show me an NFL RB that is not an injury risk!!!Can't draft based on potential for injury.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

Wow. I haven't seen Westbrook fall that far in any league I've been in so far.His injury must be scaring a LOT of owners away.

Just took Westbrook at 24 in a 10 teamer. Bush was already gone at 22 however.

Westy @ #24? I want to draft with you guys!!!Show me an NFL RB that is not an injury risk!!!

Can't draft based on potential for injury.

While this is true, I think there is a "toughness" factor that comes into play. This might also be called a pain tolerance. Every year certain guys seem to tough it through, Curtis Martin comes to mind, and others shelve it.

 

[Judge Smails]

I'm seriously considering both of these guys at the 24/25 turn. Westbrook's foot may push me the other way until I hear something comforting...

Wow. I haven't seen Westbrook fall that far in any league I've been in so far.His injury must be scaring a LOT of owners away.

Just took Westbrook at 24 in a 10 teamer. Bush was already gone at 22 however.

Westy @ #24? I want to draft with you guys!!!Show me an NFL RB that is not an injury risk!!!Can't draft based on potential for injury.

This is not a PPR league. It is an absolute big money shark league, with most owners having been a minimum of 8-12 years with almost zero turnover. 3WR start league, and many of our owners have been burned with RB1A and 2 types the past several years. I'm believe there will be a massive run on the top 8 or so WR's, plus Manning. Our league has never been one of the "stock up on 3 straight RB" leagues like I see elsewhere. So, some guys have to fall. I also think many people are down on all of the Eagles after last year. In non-PPR leagues, I can easily see Westy falling that far, and McNabb will go 2-3 rounds later than in past years. Akers falls too. I see them all as bargains. In non PPR leagues, I would never consider Westbrook at 12/13. Heck, I got him at #22 last year, when everybody was healthy and the Eagles were pimped big time. Has to fall this year..

 

[MLBrandow]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

 

[Yenrub]

What's the latest on Westbrook's injury? Is he still in a walking boot?

For that matter how is Deuce coming along?

 

[BlueDredSo]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

Might as well go back to your guppy forums.

 

[3C's]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

You're comparing Westbrook to Tavaris Jackson? That's a bit of a stretch I think.

 

[Keys Myaths]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

You're comparing Westbrook to Tavaris Jackson? That's a bit of a stretch I think.

 

[cr8f]

What's the latest on Westbrook's injury? Is he still in a walking boot?For that matter how is Deuce coming along?

Deuce thinks he'll play. He has been practicing but not getting hit. I haven't heard anything about the boot.

 

[cr8f]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

Tavaris Jackson was a first round consensus pick? One of the best players ever?

 

[MLBrandow]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

Tavaris Jackson was a first round consensus pick? One of the best players ever?

Bush has had played how many NFL games?Christ, he's not even the starter on his own team...

 

[Keys Myaths]

Bush has had played how many NFL games?

Nearly as many as Deuce over the past few seasons.

 

[Sabertooth]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

Pretty much what I thought. You are welcome to not post in topics too. Just go right on past. If you scroll to page 5, you'll see a topic where the little envelope on the left side doesn't have a little black dot in the middle of it. That means you haven't posted in that particular topic. I believe if you look long enough you might be able to find two or three that you haven't posted your tripe in.

 

[MLBrandow]

Pretty much what I thought. You are welcome to not post in topics too. Just go right on past. If you scroll to page 5, you'll see a topic where the little envelope on the left side doesn't have a little black dot in the middle of it. That means you haven't posted in that particular topic. I believe if you look long enough you might be able to find two or three that you haven't posted your tripe in.

Lifetime Sig Bet? that Bush doesn't outproduce Westbrook?Do I hear a taker?

 

[NoFBinLA]

:IBTL:

This is a terrible topic, that's why.May as well debate Tarvaris Jackson and Carson Palmer

Tavaris Jackson was a first round consensus pick? One of the best players ever?

Bush has had played how many NFL games?Christ, he's not even the starter on his own team...

Don't take this the wrong way. But you're a nitwit.You see, Reggie Bush has the possibility of being a huge impact this season, especially in PPR leagues. Tarvaris Jackson won't see the damned field, more than likely. And Westy is one of those fringe top 10 guys people love in PPR leagues - if they are going about the same spot in drafts and you're trying to figure out who to pick, this thread is helpful. In fact they may have very similiar impact - whereas Palmer and Jackson have nothing in common other than position and residence in the continental US. Neither Bush nor Westy carry the ball much (Westy may be the starter but his value has NEVER been for his # of carries). Bush could have huge upside working out of the slot or posting as a WR - Westy does most of his damage in the passing game.Exactly how is this a waste of time?Aside from yours, but really since you clearly have nothing better to do than post in topics you allegedly have no interest in, maybe you have tons of spare time.I guess all I am saying isude if you don't care for the conversation, bugger off.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Lifetime Sig Bet?

OMG a sigbet oll....THAT"LL SHOW EM.

 

[3C's]

Lifetime Sig Bet?

OMG a sigbet oll....THAT"LL SHOW EM.

Not only that, but a lifetime sig bet.

 

[MLBrandow]

Have to remember to bump this after the season.

This thread is nothing but trash, and has zero analysis in it.

Everyone in here is a Bush homer, and when someone proposes that it's foolish to take an unproven rookie backup in the 1st round, you all scoff.

 

[Sabertooth]

Pretty much what I thought. You are welcome to not post in topics too. Just go right on past. If you scroll to page 5, you'll see a topic where the little envelope on the left side doesn't have a little black dot in the middle of it. That means you haven't posted in that particular topic. I believe if you look long enough you might be able to find two or three that you haven't posted your tripe in.

Lifetime Sig Bet? that Bush doesn't outproduce Westbrook?Do I hear a taker?

Over their lifetimes?

 

[Keys Myaths]

Have to remember to bump this after the season.This thread is nothing but trash, and has zero analysis in it.Everyone in here is a Bush homer, and when someone proposes that it's foolish to take an unproven rookie backup in the 1st round, you all scoff.

You realize why you have zero credibility with a lot of us?It's statements like this. None of us have suggested that Bush is a first rounder. By using the word "backup", you're implying that Bush is going to be riding the pine. Also, you're completely ignoring Westbrook's current injury and his injury history.All that, to prove your "superiority" on a message board...and you do it in thread after thread after thread whenever anyone has the "gall" to disagree with you.It's ridiculous. If you know everything already, why even be here?Calm down. It's a message board, and just like in life, you won't always be right. Don't pull the superiority ####, and we'll stop fishing with you.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Have to remember to bump this after the season.This thread is nothing but trash, and has zero analysis in it.Everyone in here is a Bush homer, and when someone proposes that it's foolish to take an unproven rookie backup in the 1st round, you all scoff.

You realize why you have zero credibility with a lot of us?It's statements like this. None of us have suggested that Bush is a first rounder. By using the word "backup", you're implying that Bush is going to be riding the pine. Also, you're completely ignoring Westbrook's current injury and his injury history.All that, to prove your "superiority" on a message board...and you do it in thread after thread after thread whenever anyone has the "gall" to disagree with you.It's ridiculous. If you know everything already, why even be here?Calm down. It's a message board, and just like in life, you won't always be right. Don't pull the superiority ####, and we'll stop fishing with you.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Have to remember to bump this after the season.This thread is nothing but trash, and has zero analysis in it.Everyone in here is a Bush homer, and when someone proposes that it's foolish to take an unproven rookie backup in the 1st round, you all scoff.

You realize why you have zero credibility with a lot of us?It's statements like this. None of us have suggested that Bush is a first rounder. By using the word "backup", you're implying that Bush is going to be riding the pine. Also, you're completely ignoring Westbrook's current injury and his injury history.All that, to prove your "superiority" on a message board...and you do it in thread after thread after thread whenever anyone has the "gall" to disagree with you.It's ridiculous. If you know everything already, why even be here?Calm down. It's a message board, and just like in life, you won't always be right. Don't pull the superiority ####, and we'll stop fishing with you.

Hey, now I'll have a clear conscience when I rip into him.At least I've warned him.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Have to remember to bump this after the season.This thread is nothing but trash, and has zero analysis in it.Everyone in here is a Bush homer, and when someone proposes that it's foolish to take an unproven rookie backup in the 1st round, you all scoff.

We scoff b/c you bring nothing to the table. It MAY be foolish to take an unproven RB over Westy. That's what peopel are here to discuss, genius. Maybe if you read the thread and contributed to the discourse, instead of just throwing a 'clever' icon up and say the thread is trash - well, folks would likely scoff less.

 

[walkwithme]

Tough call is this based off a league scoring system for PPR or you just comparing similar style backs? I may have to go Westbrook here even with the injury risk he is the number one receiving threat and the number one rusher. Bush's yards may be slighly less than Westbrook's but I think this year Westbrook's TD's will be higher. I say they are pretty close maybe Bush has the edge if Duece is hurt.

 

[FBGirl79]

I just finished my first draft (first time playing FF as well) and I had 9th pick-10 team/PPR league and I took R. Johnson at 1.09 and was then faced with Westy/Bush at 2.02 and I decided on Bush. I had been going back and forth on this for the past few days and chalk it up to me being a guppy but I decided to take a chance on the rookie. Hopefully it pays off!

 

[walkwithme]

Just curious was Ronnie Brown still availible? I have him and Rudi ranked about the same in a PPR league. I actually have westbrook getting 30 more points than johnson and brown mainly due to the receptions

 

[FBGirl79]

Just curious was Ronnie Brown still availible? I have him and Rudi ranked about the same in a PPR league. I actually have westbrook getting 30 more points than johnson and brown mainly due to the receptions

Brown went at 1.07. I was hoping he would fall to 1.09 but Rudi was the next on my list so I wanted to go with what I considered to be the safest pick then took my chances on Bush.