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what are your thoughts on abortion? (1 Viewer)

Wife and I personally are pro-life at this stage HOWEVER we feel that is a personal choice and we do not believe others should feel forced to subscribe to those ideas. 

What we do ask or want to see is more care given to the potential mother and her entire well being.  Please understand, we(wife and I) do not want to stand in anyone's way of having one. Woman's right to choose.

Bottom Line: Nothing about having clinics open impedes on a person electing to be Pro-Life in their personal life. 

-We know a lot of women who had them and later on really regret it so we would just like more information available to potential mothers about ALL their choices beyond just making a situation go away. They have morning after pills now if you really are worried about becoming pregnant and not having to feel guilty about ending a potential life. If a woman has waited 2-3 months, odds are they are at least weighing their options. There are positive alternatives for women including a long line of adults who would like to adopt, yes including homosexuals who should not be denied to right to raise children. The statistics prove that there are less domestic violence cases in those homes than heterosexual so let's help those folks out and help them adopt. 

Most of the women we speak with who have guilt or PTSD imo at a later date, most say they felt limited in choice and felt like it was either abort or being a mom, there are alternatives for those who seek out. 

-The John Oliver piece from 2 weeks ago where he showed several states with only 1 clinic for the entire state, not fair. And then lawmakers who are making it increasingly more difficult for woman to have them. Again I want to be clear, we respect every woman's right to choose, we just would like to expand the menu and options and ensure all women are treated with respect and dignity thru the entire process from start to well after the procedure or whatever choice is decided. 

Stop persecuting potential moms. 

 
shader said:
That typically happens to women who murder their newborns.  What I want doesn't have anything to do with it.
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So you want them to wait till they are born. then murder them?  

Sick.  And twisted.

 
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I’m pro-abortion because intentional childbearing helps couples, families and communities to get out of poverty.

 
matuski is the Don RIckles of abortion and dead baby jokes. Good job bro :hifive:

Pro choice - always have been; always will be

In fact, dudes on a fantasy football message board debating this is pretty ridiculous.  It's a woman's choice.

 
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-We know a lot of women who had them and later on really regret it so we would just like more information available to potential mothers about ALL their choices beyond just making a situation go away.
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Decision Rightness and Emotional Responses to Abortion in the United States: A Longitudinal Study



Background




Arguments that abortion causes women emotional harm are used to regulate abortion, particularly later procedures, in the United States. However, existing research is inconclusive. We examined women’s emotions and reports of whether the abortion decision was the right one for them over the three years after having an induced abortion.


Methods




We recruited a cohort of women seeking abortions between 2008-2010 at 30 facilities across the United States, selected based on having the latest gestational age limit within 150 miles. Two groups of women (n=667) were followed prospectively for three years: women having first-trimester procedures and women terminating pregnancies within two weeks under facilities’ gestational age limits at the same facilities. Participants completed semiannual phone surveys to assess whether they felt that having the abortion was the right decision for them; negative emotions (regret, anger, guilt, sadness) about the abortion; and positive emotions (relief, happiness). Multivariable mixed-effects models were used to examine changes in each outcome over time, to compare the two groups, and to identify associated factors.


Results




The predicted probability of reporting that abortion was the right decision was over 99% at all time points over three years. Women with more planned pregnancies and who had more difficulty deciding to terminate the pregnancy had lower odds of reporting the abortion was the right decision (aOR=0.71 [0.60, 0.85] and 0.46 [0.36, 0.64], respectively). Both negative and positive emotions declined over time, with no differences between women having procedures near gestational age limits versus first-trimester abortions. Higher perceived community abortion stigma and lower social support were associated with more negative emotions (b=0.45 [0.31, 0.58] and b=-0.61 [-0.93, -0.29], respectively).


Conclusions




Women experienced decreasing emotional intensity over time, and the overwhelming majority of women felt that termination was the right decision for them over three years. Emotional support may be beneficial for women having abortions who report intended pregnancies or difficulty deciding.
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I'm against because I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers were against wacking white babies, and we've since evolved such that wacking black babies should probably be frowned upon also.

 
John Bender said:
matuski is the Don RIckles of abortion and dead baby jokes. Good job bro :hifive:

Pro choice - always have been; always will be

In fact, dudes on a fantasy football message board debating this is pretty ridiculous.  It's a woman's choice.
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This thread reminds of a joke I once heard:

My son asked me the other day how I feel about abortions. I told him to go ask his sister. He said, “I don’t have a sister”. There’s your answer.
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matuski said:
I agree, dooming children to poverty and abuse is awful.
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Lame to use as a backbone for debate. Nobody would be born if all moms had to show a path for their child to suck up $250,000 over the next 18 years. 

Money is involved all the way, a good chunk of this country is in poverty but the USA poverty line compared to most other countries is significantly higher. 

You can't say we need to have abortion machines running 24/7 to save potential souls from a life they never get with you making decisions. Maybe those souls will be able to fight thru poverty and rise to the top but you have very little faith in them.  

 
matuski said:
So you want them to wait till they are born. then murder them?  

Sick.  And twisted.
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matuski said:
I’m pro-abortion because contraceptives are imperfect, and people are too.
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matuski said:
I’m pro-abortion because I believe in mercy, grace, compassion, and the power of fresh starts.
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matuski said:
I’m pro-abortion because intentional childbearing helps couples, families and communities to get out of poverty.
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Awesome Sauce there. The thing is you don't believe most of this. You're married with children according to my notes. You probably have your moments with the family and for some pure escapism turn to this thread as you posted "low hanging fruit". 

Have fun but I don't think these posts should be taken too seriously. I doubt you would mutter this stance in this fashion in front of your wife and daughter. Cheers! 

 
My serious opinion on it:

Since there is no God and the child has no idea they existed then where's the problem?

 
cstu said:
My serious opinion on it:

Since there is no God and the child has no idea they existed then where's the problem?
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Does the term unborn child enter your vocabulary? At what month should the folks over on this side of the womb care about the rights of the unborn? Where do you draw a line vs conception? 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months...not until it has left the womb and home and can partially walk on its own? 

 
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