What bothered you the most about the Vick situation? (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

Just curious where people fall on this one two years downstream with VIck now out of prison. I know there's been other threads on this but I don't remember a poll on it. You can only pick one thing, and "all of the above" is not an option. Please list and explain any "other" responses.

 

[Adebisi]

The sheer arrogance of it all, quite frankly. Thinking that he could get away with all of the things you listed, and showing (in my opinion) zero remorse for any of it.

Although this is not something to be pinned on Vick, it also bothers me that a lot of people don't see why this is a big deal and think that Vick got too severe a punishment. And also that they compare it to the Little and Stallworth cases.

 

[Darker Knight]

the fact that he went to jail at all.......We are talkin about DOGS.....I mean Stallworth got 30 days for killing a human being...where is the outrage where are the protester?

 

[Adebisi]

Although this is not something to be pinned on Vick, it also bothers me that a lot of people don't see why this is a big deal and think that Vick got too severe a punishment. And also that they compare it to the Little and Stallworth cases.

the fact that he went to jail at all.......We are talkin about DOGS.....I mean Stallworth got 30 days for killing a human being...where is the outrage where are the protester?

 

[Mimo]

Other.........

I'm neutral when it comes to owning pets, I can take it or leave it. I had no idea folks were that in love with pets. Shoot......my biggest issue is/was if my kids didn't clean up after, walk or feed them they are going to the humane society.

As for Vick coming back, the best comparison I can make is to Martha Burk and the Masters Tourney when it came to women being members of Augusta National. Yes that group was passionate with it's message for getting women to become members. Yes they were passionate with the protests, boycotting themes and media coverage leading up to the tourney that year. In the end after the tourney was played we have not heard one word from or about the Martha Burk group in the mainstream. The media does not even make mention to women being members of Augusta or not, its a non issue, it was not talked about leading up to this year's tourney at all.

My point is PETA will protest and the like and have support but it won't last, it never does. Why? We as people have very short memories. Remember Vick going to court pre-prison, how many folks were outside the courthouse for his hearings? Remember Vick after leaving prison, how many people were outside the courthouse for his hearings? Vick is a HOT issue again but by week 8 if he has played half the season there will be bigger fish to fry and other issues that grab our attention. This to will pass, it's just human nature.

 

[SouthJersey]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

 

[zadok]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

 

[Darker Knight]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

if this were the case at least it would reflect a higher value on Humans rather than dogs.....

 

[zadok]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

if this were the case at least it would reflect a higher value on Humans rather than dogs.....

So you would be ok with Vick sentence then?

 

[Darker Knight]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

if this were the case at least it would reflect a higher value on Humans rather than dogs.....

So you would be ok with Vick sentence then?

I am dealing with the really happened.....and Stallworth did not get 20 years

 

[Zoomanji]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

He didn't get 20 months just for killing dogs. They was also gambling charges involved in the whole thing.If you don't get the difference between involuntary manslaughter (an accident when the guy ran in front of his car) and negligent animal abuse coupled with illegal gambling I can't help you. Your comparisons just aren't even close.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

if this were the case at least it would reflect a higher value on Humans rather than dogs.....

So you would be ok with Vick sentence then?

I am dealing with the really happened.....and Stallworth did not get 20 years

I think Stallworth clearly should have gotten more time, but the comparison between the 2 crimes does not stop with one being dogs and the other being a person.Did Stallworth purposely kill?Did he kill several times without remorse?Did he kill for sport?Did he gamble on the life of another?Did he torture for entertainment?Did he lie about his involvement in the death, or flee from the scene to avoid repercussions? Or did he accept responsibility?Did he financially fund a crime that led to death?Stallworth messed up - badly. He drove drunk and took the life of another, and he deserved more punishment than he received. If it was a loved one of mine that he had killed, I would want him dead. However, he did not commit a pre-meditated act. His crime was the result of a mistake. A horrendous mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Comparing the 2 crimes is not as cut and dry as just saying "Vick killed dogs and Stallworth killed a person". A lot more is involved than just that statement alone.

 

[Adebisi]

I think Stallworth clearly should have gotten more time, but the comparison between the 2 crimes does not stop with one being dogs and the other being a person.Did Stallworth purposely kill?Did he kill several times without remorse?Did he kill for sport?Did he gamble on the life of another?Did he torture for entertainment?Did he lie about his involvement in the death, or flee from the scene to avoid repercussions? Or did he accept responsibility?Did he financially fund a crime that led to death?Stallworth messed up - badly. He drove drunk and took the life of another, and he deserved more punishment than he received. If it was a loved one of mine that he had killed, I would want him dead. However, he did not commit a pre-meditated act. His crime was the result of a mistake. A horrendous mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Comparing the 2 crimes is not as cut and dry as just saying "Vick killed dogs and Stallworth killed a person". A lot more is involved than just that statement alone.

Wish more people would understand this.

 

[David Yudkin]

Another theoretical question, which might be best served in its own thread, but . . .

If Vick had been involved in a coc k fighting ring instead and did all the same things, would there have been a similar outrage?

 

[Darker Knight]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

If Vick ate the dogs after he killed them would that make it ok?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Comparing the 2 crimes is not as cut and dry as just saying "Vick killed dogs and Stallworth killed a person". A lot more is involved than just that statement alone.

No, it's not "as cut and dry" as that. But Stallworth's crime is still miles ahead of Vicks' crimes - just because its intentional vs. reckless doesn't mean you can't compare them, and just as frame of mind shouldn't be completely discounted, neither should the outcome. Yes, Stallworth's mental culpability is much less than Vick's, but the outcome of his actions are also much, much more severe. I don't see a problem with saying that it's a joke that Vick got something like 10x the penalty Stallworth did.

 

[PatsWillWin]

If Vick had been involved in a coc k fighting ring instead and did all the same things, would there have been a similar outrage?

Not even close, imo.dogs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coc ks >>>>>>>>>>>> betta fish as far as the public's feelings are concerned.

 

[Darker Knight]

If Vick had been involved in a coc k fighting ring instead and did all the same things, would there have been a similar outrage?

Not even close, imo.dogs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coc ks >>>>>>>>>>>> betta fish as far as the public's feelings are concerned.

Everyone enjoy's a good coc k fight.......

 

[ChuckLiddell]

If Vick had been involved in a coc k fighting ring instead and did all the same things, would there have been a similar outrage?

Not even close, imo.dogs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coc ks >>>>>>>>>>>> betta fish as far as the public's feelings are concerned.

I agree with this. However, for me personally it was not just the "fighting" that bothered me. It was the electrocutions, hangings, drownings, and beatings that bothered me the most. It takes a demented mind to find entertainment in that sort of activity. It is also demented to find entertainment in watching another animal tear apart another for sport. I will watch discovery channel all day long - thats nature, and I do find that entertaining. What these guys were doing is not nature. It is brutality and violence for the sake of entertainment, and I would find that disturbing with any species. However, for me the most appauling part of this story is the human to animal brutality - all for the sake of entertainment. I cannot relate to that on any level.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Folks really need to get over the Stallworth vs Vick vs Little comparisons. They are all very different cases and very different crimes.

It's always easy to say "Hey, Stallworth killed a guy!" and then say that's much worse than any other crime that doesn't involve a human death. But that's a vast oversimplification. Our criminal justice doesn't work that way, and it shouldn't. Bernie Madoff didn't kill or even physically hurt anybody, and he'll be locked up forever (and rightfully so).

I have no sympathy for Stallworth. He F'd up and he paid for it. You can debate if he should have gotten more or less punishment, but it was consistent with the law. I will say this though, I would be SHOCKED if a decent portion of the folks reading this board haven't gotten into a car and driven when they shouldn't have. Any one of those folks could have had the same result Stallworth had, and I doubt too many folks think every single one of those people should be locked up for years and years (though again, you could make a case for it - the ONLY difference between Stallworth and all of those other people is that some dude happened cross into Stallworth's path - bad luck for both of them).

There are certainly issues with how much time particular crimes get in the American justice system. Always tons of debate about it too, but the feds take interstate gambling operations VERY seriously. It's just the way it is, and the law is the law. Vick got caught, and served time consistent with US justice system guidelines. You don't like the guidelines, take it up with your Congressman. But it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with whether or not Vick would make a good employee for the National Football League going forward.

But aside from all of that, MY main issue is simpler. Vick has shown a PATTERN of sociopathy. He doesn't play by the rules of society at all. If the dog-fighting/gambling thing were completely out of the blue, and Vick had a previous history of being a genuinely decent human being, I might have a different take on it. But that isn't the case. He's a classic thug, and I don't want money generated by my viewership and attendance etc going to make him a millionaire AGAIN.

 

[Tom Servo]

Humans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all animals.

I'm not concerned whether there was betting on it, conspiracy to trade/fight dogs, etc. In my mind, as a society no animal should ever be held in higher regard than a person. Wantoning killing anything, whether person or pet, is indicative of a severe moral problem. But we shouldn't be elevating animals to an equivalent standard to that of people.

 

[millertyme1]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

if this were the case at least it would reflect a higher value on Humans rather than dogs.....

So you would be ok with Vick sentence then?

I am dealing with the really happened.....and Stallworth did not get 20 years

Nice work not taking that bait.

 

[VTjkru]

Other. I have an issue with people who keep comparing his situation with other players.

Im totally fine with the punishment that Vick got and am fine with the public black eye he has received for his treatment of dogs. I hate when someone then brings up Stallworth or Little...as if Im okay with what they did as well. No, those guys are scum as well and should be punished more harshly. But bringing up those situations does not change my opinion at all of Vick.

 

[renesauz]

I answered Mob Ties.

I remain flabergasted at how people are so emotional about the dogs that they miss the bigger, and far more sinister nature of the crimes.

You don't get involved with these sorts of things at this kind of level without working with and rubbing elbows with some of the most dangerous criminals in the land.

 

[Traders2001]

Folks really need to get over the Stallworth vs Vick vs Little comparisons. They are all very different cases and very different crimes.It's always easy to say "Hey, Stallworth killed a guy!" and then say that's much worse than any other crime that doesn't involve a human death. But that's a vast oversimplification. Our criminal justice doesn't work that way, and it shouldn't. Bernie Madoff didn't kill or even physically hurt anybody, and he'll be locked up forever (and rightfully so).I have no sympathy for Stallworth. He F'd up and he paid for it. You can debate if he should have gotten more or less punishment, but it was consistent with the law. I will say this though, I would be SHOCKED if a decent portion of the folks reading this board haven't gotten into a car and driven when they shouldn't have. Any one of those folks could have had the same result Stallworth had, and I doubt too many folks think every single one of those people should be locked up for years and years (though again, you could make a case for it - the ONLY difference between Stallworth and all of those other people is that some dude happened cross into Stallworth's path - bad luck for both of them).There are certainly issues with how much time particular crimes get in the American justice system. Always tons of debate about it too, but the feds take interstate gambling operations VERY seriously. It's just the way it is, and the law is the law. Vick got caught, and served time consistent with US justice system guidelines. You don't like the guidelines, take it up with your Congressman. But it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with whether or not Vick would make a good employee for the National Football League going forward.But aside from all of that, MY main issue is simpler. Vick has shown a PATTERN of sociopathy. He doesn't play by the rules of society at all. If the dog-fighting/gambling thing were completely out of the blue, and Vick had a previous history of being a genuinely decent human being, I might have a different take on it. But that isn't the case. He's a classic thug, and I don't want money generated by my viewership and attendance etc going to make him a millionaire AGAIN.

You must be kidding , or you are completely stupid .Stallworth did nt pay for what he did , sorry he did pay . He bought the family out so he only had to serve a few days in jail .Vick could nt buy anyone , thats why he spent TOO much time in jail .

 

[Wadsworth]

Other.

What bothers me the most about the Vick situation is the self righteous attitude of a lot of arm chair activist that seem to feel better about themselves by slamming Vick repeatedly. I've never thought much of Vick as a person and think what he did was putrid, but it's already gotten a ton of press, his career is on the verge of ruin, he's a lost a mountain of money and he served time in prison. People do terrible things every hours of every day. Forget Stallworth, read a newspaper where you live and chances are there's someone that did something awful getting away with a weak sentence. Vick has received his share of outrage and disgust. If you still have more, there are plenty of other deserving targets.

 

[renesauz]

Folks really need to get over the Stallworth vs Vick vs Little comparisons. They are all very different cases and very different crimes.It's always easy to say "Hey, Stallworth killed a guy!" and then say that's much worse than any other crime that doesn't involve a human death. But that's a vast oversimplification. Our criminal justice doesn't work that way, and it shouldn't. Bernie Madoff didn't kill or even physically hurt anybody, and he'll be locked up forever (and rightfully so).I have no sympathy for Stallworth. He F'd up and he paid for it. You can debate if he should have gotten more or less punishment, but it was consistent with the law. I will say this though, I would be SHOCKED if a decent portion of the folks reading this board haven't gotten into a car and driven when they shouldn't have. Any one of those folks could have had the same result Stallworth had, and I doubt too many folks think every single one of those people should be locked up for years and years (though again, you could make a case for it - the ONLY difference between Stallworth and all of those other people is that some dude happened cross into Stallworth's path - bad luck for both of them).There are certainly issues with how much time particular crimes get in the American justice system. Always tons of debate about it too, but the feds take interstate gambling operations VERY seriously. It's just the way it is, and the law is the law. Vick got caught, and served time consistent with US justice system guidelines. You don't like the guidelines, take it up with your Congressman. But it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with whether or not Vick would make a good employee for the National Football League going forward.But aside from all of that, MY main issue is simpler. Vick has shown a PATTERN of sociopathy. He doesn't play by the rules of society at all. If the dog-fighting/gambling thing were completely out of the blue, and Vick had a previous history of being a genuinely decent human being, I might have a different take on it. But that isn't the case. He's a classic thug, and I don't want money generated by my viewership and attendance etc going to make him a millionaire AGAIN.

You must be kidding , or you are completely stupid .Stallworth did nt pay for what he did , sorry he did pay . He bought the family out so he only had to serve a few days in jail .Vick could nt buy anyone , thats why he spent TOO much time in jail .

He's neither kidding nor stupid. Nobody is arguing about the consequences of the crime...what Stallworth did had a far bigger and uglier impact....and I would have no problem at all with giving him a far more serious punishment as a result (but NOT decades in prison).But it really is silly to compare a the poor judgement of drunk driving to a long term commitment to organized crime and the intentional torture of dogs.

 

[Dancing Bear]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

This is a painful indictment of the displaced worth of animals over humans.And yes if Stallworth got 20 years I'd be happy with his punishment.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Humans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all animals.

I'm not concerned whether there was betting on it, conspiracy to trade/fight dogs, etc. In my mind, as a society no animal should ever be held in higher regard than a person. Wantoning killing anything, whether person or pet, is indicative of a severe moral problem. But we shouldn't be elevating animals to an equivalent standard to that of people.

I dont think anyone is making them equivalent. If someone did to humans what Vick did to animals he would basically be Adolph Hitler (with far less victims, but similar methods), and he would already have been executed.

 

[Devilsden2001]

My opinion is that comparing the punishment that Stallworth got to that of Vick is not even a comparison. Stallworth only got the 30 days because the family of the victom agreed to the sentence and took the MONEY instead of letting to court system prosecute him for the crime. Ultimately the family of the victom had the last say in the agreement that Stallworth only serve 30 days. So comparing the two sentences does not make any sense at all, because obviously the family would rather have the monetary compensation to the judicial system having him serve a lengthy sentence in jail.

On Vick, my problem is that with abuse cases in the NFL where the wife or GF file assault charges against a player, they have a choice to stay with that person a pet does not have that ability. When you adopt a dog it is with the understanding that you will care for it, feed it, and give it love and affection. A dog provides it's owner with unconditional love and trust. To reward that trust and love by chaining him to a pole, refusing to feed it, beating it, shooting it up with steroids, then when the dog does not meet your expectations you shoot it, electrocute it, or drown it, is an outrage. That is where my outrage comes from.

Do I think that Stallworth, Vick or anyone in the NFL that is accused of a felony be allowed to continue to play NFL football, no I do not. They have a god given talent, they make millions of dollars a year to play a game. If they do not have enough sense to call a cab when they are drunk or to have enough morals to know that killing an animal is wrong then they have no right to be making that kind of money to begin with.

How many people on here honestly can say that if they lied to their boss, embarrased the company they work for, and deceived thousands of people should be able to keep their jobs?

 

[SouthJersey]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

He didn't get 20 months just for killing dogs. They was also gambling charges involved in the whole thing.If you don't get the difference between involuntary manslaughter (an accident when the guy ran in front of his car) and negligent animal abuse coupled with illegal gambling I can't help you. Your comparisons just aren't even close.

Stallworth was drunk and high.My point is that if a guy is intoxicated and kills a guy with his car and its considered that he's paid his debt to society by serving 30 days in jail....then the guy who killed dogs and gambled on dog fighting has more than served his debt to society by serving 20 months in jail.

 

[brutha]

all of the above plus change. mostly just the general joke of what a lightweight treatment he got and is getting, and people's willingness to more or less go "oh whatever, who cares"

 

[Adebisi]

It's pretty unfortunate that some of you apparently lack the mental capacity to consider this case on its own, rather than looking at it relative to the Stallworth and/or Little cases.

 

[Christo]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

I'm sure if Stallworth had beat the guy to death on purpose he'd have received at least a few more weeks.

 

[Christo]

Humans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all animals.

I'm not concerned whether there was betting on it, conspiracy to trade/fight dogs, etc. In my mind, as a society no animal should ever be held in higher regard than a person. Wantoning killing anything, whether person or pet, is indicative of a severe moral problem. But we shouldn't be elevating animals to an equivalent standard to that of people.

Who is?

 

[cmv5]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

This is a painful indictment of the displaced worth of animals over humans.

And yes if Stallworth got 20 years I'd be happy with his punishment.

Are you sincerely suggesting that if a person were to kill a dog in cold blood in comparison to killing a human they would do more jail time? Come on. These are two separate criminal cases. The only area of comparison is they are both football players. If Vick had treated humans in the manner that he treated these dogs, you would see insane levels of outrage and disgust.

 

[David Yudkin]

How many people on here honestly can say that if they lied to their boss, embarrased the company they work for, and deceived thousands of people should be able to keep their jobs?

Given that I am not a CEO, I can't answer this question.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The fact that he did 20 months for killing dogs while Stallworth did 20 days for killing a human is ridiculous.

What if Stallworth got 20 years? Would you be ok with Vick's sentence then?

if this were the case at least it would reflect a higher value on Humans rather than dogs.....

So you would be ok with Vick sentence then?

I am dealing with the really happened.....and Stallworth did not get 20 years

Have you ever driven drunk?Have you ever funded and housed a dog fighting operation or killed and tortured dogs?There is so much more involved than just an oversimplification like "human v. dog death".

 

[FUBAR]

The cover-up is usually worse than the crime, in this case they're about equal. I'm not bothered by any of this really, sometimes people are thugs and stupid people do stupid things. Not much will truly get me "bothered". But if anything does here, it's that there is probably more to it that wasn't investigated.

Have you ever driven drunk?Have you ever funded and housed a dog fighting operation or killed and tortured dogs?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If it makes people feel better I don't think Stallworth would have received any jail time if he ran over a dog instead of a human.

Juxtaposing the two cases does not make a statement to how the lgel system views human life compared to animal life. I'm amzed that people try to make that connection.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The cover-up is usually worse than the crime, in this case they're about equal. I'm not bothered by any of this really, sometimes people are thugs and stupid people do stupid things. Not much will truly get me "bothered". But if anything does here, it's that there is probably more to it that wasn't investigated.

Have you ever driven drunk?Have you ever funded and housed a dog fighting operation or killed and tortured dogs?

The point being is that most people have probably driven while legally drunk and could have done what Stallworth did. Not many people would do what Vick did. Why? Because most of us are not that depraved.This isn't meant to make light of what Stallworth did - it is horrible and I do think he deserved more jail time. I'm just trying to show that the two incidents really don't merit comparisons for the actual "crime" - notwithstanding the end results of those crimes.

 

[Phurfur]

Ah yes, I see there are plenty of people who "Love Their Criminals".

 

[FUBAR]

The cover-up is usually worse than the crime, in this case they're about equal.

I'm not bothered by any of this really, sometimes people are thugs and stupid people do stupid things. Not much will truly get me "bothered". But if anything does here, it's that there is probably more to it that wasn't investigated.

Have you ever driven drunk?

Have you ever funded and housed a dog fighting operation or killed and tortured dogs?

The point being is that most people have probably driven while legally drunk and could have done what Stallworth did. Not many people would do what Vick did. Why? Because most of us are not that depraved.This isn't meant to make light of what Stallworth did - it is horrible and I do think he deserved more jail time. I'm just trying to show that the two incidents really don't merit comparisons for the actual "crime" - notwithstanding the end results of those crimes.

I can safely say I wouldn't have done what Stallworth did. Nor Vick for that matter, but I agree with your point I guess - these aren't good comparisons.

 

[Phurfur]

If it makes people feel better I don't think Stallworth would have received any jail time if he ran over a dog instead of a human.Juxtaposing the two cases does not make a statement to how the lgel system views human life compared to animal life. I'm amzed that people try to make that connection.

This just makes too much sense.

 

[FUBAR]

How many people on here honestly can say that if they lied to their boss, embarrased the company they work for, and deceived thousands of people should be able to keep their jobs?

if I lose my credibility and integrity, I'm pretty much worthless at my current job. However, that's not what we pay professional athletes for.

 

[Phurfur]

How many people on here honestly can say that if they lied to their boss, embarrased the company they work for, and deceived thousands of people should be able to keep their jobs?

if I lose my credibility and integrity, I'm pretty much worthless at my current job. However, that's not what we pay professional athletes for.

The NFL's new conduct policy does not agree with you.

 

[Sabertooth]

Humans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all animals.I'm not concerned whether there was betting on it, conspiracy to trade/fight dogs, etc. In my mind, as a society no animal should ever be held in higher regard than a person. Wantoning killing anything, whether person or pet, is indicative of a severe moral problem. But we shouldn't be elevating animals to an equivalent standard to that of people.

Even hippos?

 

[FUBAR]

How many people on here honestly can say that if they lied to their boss, embarrased the company they work for, and deceived thousands of people should be able to keep their jobs?

if I lose my credibility and integrity, I'm pretty much worthless at my current job. However, that's not what we pay professional athletes for.

The NFL's new conduct policy does not agree with you.

If Vick gets reinstated and signed by a team, it certainly does. They wouldn't really need a conduct policy if the NFL didn't agree with me. (think about it for a minute)

 

[Phurfur]

How many people on here honestly can say that if they lied to their boss, embarrased the company they work for, and deceived thousands of people should be able to keep their jobs?

if I lose my credibility and integrity, I'm pretty much worthless at my current job. However, that's not what we pay professional athletes for.

The NFL's new conduct policy does not agree with you.

If Vick gets reinstated and signed by a team, it certainly does. They wouldn't really need a conduct policy if the NFL didn't agree with me. (think about it for a minute)

I think that's what I said. The NFL cares about "credibility and integrity" so they need a conduct policy. Maybe I am missing something?

 

[Sgt_Russia]

Do I think that Stallworth, Vick or anyone in the NFL that is accused of a felony be allowed to continue to play NFL football, no I do not. They have a god given talent, they make millions of dollars a year to play a game. If they do not have enough sense to call a cab when they are drunk or to have enough morals to know that killing an animal is wrong then they have no right to be making that kind of money to begin with.

If Vick were a plumber/carpenter/taxi driver/etc, should he be allowed to go back to his chosen profession? Maybe he's a dirtbag, sure, but what right do I or you have to restrict him from his chosen profession. If his employer is ok with him going back to work, then so am I. Frankly, I'd prefer that he be back to work with something to occupy his time, and someone to watch his back. The last thing we need is a multi-millionaire dirtbag running around with no supervision and nothing to do with his time. At least if he's on an NFL roster, he has an agent and an NFL Franchise doing what they can to keep him out of trouble.