What can Kevin Jones do with 15-20 snaps? (1 Viewer)

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

The doctor clearly said that he is in no danger of reinjuring his foot. So, I think that the big deal here, is whether or not he is conditioned enough to play very much. I think that how much playing time that he gets during the game, is going to be decided by Kevin Jones, during the game, on how he feels stamina wise.

if you're foot isn't injured, it doesn't swell up after a practice when you don't even take full reps.

As already stated the doctor clearly said that Jones foot is 100% healed, and there isn't a chance of reinjuring it. However, you have to remember that he did have surgery, and he is now working his body back into football shape. Of course there is going to be soreness in that area, which hasn't been worked out hardly at all over the year. They said that he is going to have to deal with soreness for a while... that is not a big deal.

 

[the rover]

The doctor clearly said that he is in no danger of reinjuring his foot. So, I think that the big deal here, is whether or not he is conditioned enough to play very much. I think that how much playing time that he gets during the game, is going to be decided by Kevin Jones, during the game, on how he feels stamina wise.

if you're foot isn't injured, it doesn't swell up after a practice when you don't even take full reps.

As already stated the doctor clearly said that Jones foot is 100% healed, and there isn't a chance of reinjuring it. However, you have to remember that he did have surgery, and he is now working his body back into football shape. Of course there is going to be soreness in that area, which hasn't been worked out hardly at all over the year. They said that he is going to have to deal with soreness for a while... that is not a big deal.

that's a ridiculous statement. please provide the quote where a doctor says he has no chance of reinjuring it.

 

[Da Masses]

Have a guy trying to trade me Maurice Hicks for Jones (I have Gore)

Gonna counter that he has to throw in Peyton Manning and he has a deal just to piss him off.

 

[numberSE7EN]

The doctor clearly said that he is in no danger of reinjuring his foot. So, I think that the big deal here, is whether or not he is conditioned enough to play very much. I think that how much playing time that he gets during the game, is going to be decided by Kevin Jones, during the game, on how he feels stamina wise.

if you're foot isn't injured, it doesn't swell up after a practice when you don't even take full reps.

As already stated the doctor clearly said that Jones foot is 100% healed, and there isn't a chance of reinjuring it. However, you have to remember that he did have surgery, and he is now working his body back into football shape. Of course there is going to be soreness in that area, which hasn't been worked out hardly at all over the year. They said that he is going to have to deal with soreness for a while... that is not a big deal.

that's a ridiculous statement. please provide the quote where a doctor says he has no chance of reinjuring it.

No it is not, if you have read the doctors reports his foot is fully healed, and he has no more of a chance of reinjuring his foot in the same way than any other player in the NFL. He does have to get his body back into NFL gameday shape though.

 

[the rover]

The doctor clearly said that he is in no danger of reinjuring his foot. So, I think that the big deal here, is whether or not he is conditioned enough to play very much. I think that how much playing time that he gets during the game, is going to be decided by Kevin Jones, during the game, on how he feels stamina wise.

if you're foot isn't injured, it doesn't swell up after a practice when you don't even take full reps.

As already stated the doctor clearly said that Jones foot is 100% healed, and there isn't a chance of reinjuring it. However, you have to remember that he did have surgery, and he is now working his body back into football shape. Of course there is going to be soreness in that area, which hasn't been worked out hardly at all over the year. They said that he is going to have to deal with soreness for a while... that is not a big deal.

that's a ridiculous statement. please provide the quote where a doctor says he has no chance of reinjuring it.

No it is not, if you have read the doctors reports his foot is fully healed, and he has no more of a chance of reinjuring his foot in the same way than any other player in the NFL. He does have to get his body back into NFL gameday shape though.

again, please provide a link to a doctor who is guaranteeing that it won't be reinjured.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

The doctor clearly said that he is in no danger of reinjuring his foot. So, I think that the big deal here, is whether or not he is conditioned enough to play very much. I think that how much playing time that he gets during the game, is going to be decided by Kevin Jones, during the game, on how he feels stamina wise.

if you're foot isn't injured, it doesn't swell up after a practice when you don't even take full reps.

As already stated the doctor clearly said that Jones foot is 100% healed, and there isn't a chance of reinjuring it. However, you have to remember that he did have surgery, and he is now working his body back into football shape. Of course there is going to be soreness in that area, which hasn't been worked out hardly at all over the year. They said that he is going to have to deal with soreness for a while... that is not a big deal.

that's a ridiculous statement. please provide the quote where a doctor says he has no chance of reinjuring it.

No it is not, if you have read the doctors reports his foot is fully healed, and he has no more of a chance of reinjuring his foot in the same way than any other player in the NFL. He does have to get his body back into NFL gameday shape though.

again, please provide a link to a doctor who is guaranteeing that it won't be reinjured.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_displ...ument_id=460434Back in the Mix

The Lions Elect to Activate Running Back Kevin Jones to Begin the Regular Season

By Chrissie Wywrot

Detroitlions.com

September 1, 2007

The Lions have elected to activate Jones, who has been working out throughout training camp and the preseason, to begin the 2007 regular season.

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- The Detroit Lions have elected not to put running back Kevin Jones, who suffered a Lisfranc injury to his left foot last December, on the Reserved/PUP list to begin the 2007 regular season, ending an ongoing media debate that has extended for more than seven months.

The decision of whether or not to activate Jones ultimately came down to how much it would help or hinder him physically to start off the year on PUP versus the active roster.

The Lions sent him to North Carolina this past Thursday to meet with the doctor who performed his surgery, Dr. Bob Anderson, for more information regarding his progress.

Positive news came out of that visit, steering the Lions in the direction of keeping Jones off the PUP list to begin the 2007 season.

"The surgeon assured us all that his foot is healthy, it’s strong, there is no risk to injury to that foot, to that surgery at this point – none," said Head Coach Rod Marinelli. "Another six weeks and it would really make not much difference he said – not much."

A lot of discussion went into this final decision to place Jones on the active roster. The Lions had to weigh the risk-reward regarding how Jones could immediately help the team compared with the setback possibilities if he was brought back too soon.

Numerous members of the front office, including Marinelli and the team's medical staff, discussed Jones' status with Anderson following his his visit to the North Carolina physician. Marinelli then met Friday with the Lions' athletic trainers and encouraged Jones to discuss this with his family.

Marinelli even sat down for a meeting of his own with Lions' Owner & Chairman William Clay Ford, and he emerged with things a little clearer than they were before.

"He’s got a lot of wisdom," said Marinelli. "He brought a lot of clarity to this whole situation for me. Every game counts during the season. We’ve got to evaluate every game, give ourselves every opportunity, every chance to win every game that we can."

Ultimately, the final decision to activate Jones was based on how much he would or wouldn't progress without suiting up in pads.

If he would have started the year on PUP, Jones would have been held out of team practices, unable to put himself through the physical nature of the game necessary in preparing him for a live opponent.

Though Jones has spent all of training camp and the preseason working out with Lions' strength and conditioning coaches, without that physical beating on his foot, he wouldn't have been able to make that next critical step toward getting back.

"To me (this will be) like a padded PUP," said Marinelli. "We still have a plan for him, but we’re able to now to get him in full pads. The one thing he couldn’t do on PUP is have a walkthrough; just walking through, just catching a ball, just running our offense. When you’re on PUP you can’t do any of that. Now we get him in pads, we’ll start working him."

Jones will begin right away with team practice on Monday, though he won't be thrown into the fire just yet. Though Anderson said Jones won't experience any setbacks regarding his surgery, his readiness to begin padded practices by no means signifies he will be able to play pain-free.

Though Jones has conditioned throughout camp and the preseason, he hasn't been able to practice or work out in pads due to his PUP status.

“It’s going to be week-to-week," said Marinelli. "We’ll just get him out there. It’s just a feel-process now – see how he feels. The surgeon said there is going to be some swelling. There are going to be good days and there are going to be bad days. An injury is hard to define. We’ll just get him going and at least I think we are ahead of the pace right now.”

Another positive to having Jones on the active roster is that he will be able to re-teach himself how to function in light of the injury before being thrown into a game situation. Oftentimes, if athletes try to return too fast, they begin to overcompensate for their injury with other parts of the body and ultimately get hurt in other areas.

Lions' linebacker Teddy Lehman, who suffered a Lisfranc injury in 2005, was met with that same predicament when he attempted a return after beginning the 2006 season on PUP. He suffered a hamstring injury and ended the year on the Reserve/Injured list.

“(Jones) is working at his pace," said Marinelli. "It’s not like we’re going to take him into full speed. We have a chance now to see where he’s at. I told Kevin, 'that’s the biggest thing. Now we see where you’re at.'

"We start having a chance to move forward with it, and if it’s too early we just back off him and continue to do what we did in PUP. His health is the No. 1 issue here. I told him (what) made me comfortable (with) this decision was when the surgeon told us he cannot re-hurt that foot. (Dr. Anderson) was adamant with that.”

The Lions will take their time with Jones. Until he feels ready to participate, he will be one of eight inactive players each week. It is because of that option that Detroit won't be hurt by Jones being on the active roster.

“It doesn’t affect the 45," said Marinelli. "We are going to have to de-activate guys anyway. What he can do during the process is be a scout team back a little bit for us as he’s working his feet. He can give us a guy who can run the zone plays to a point. That part doesn’t affect us.”

 

[WarRedbirds]

The doctor clearly said that he is in no danger of reinjuring his foot. So, I think that the big deal here, is whether or not he is conditioned enough to play very much. I think that how much playing time that he gets during the game, is going to be decided by Kevin Jones, during the game, on how he feels stamina wise.

if you're foot isn't injured, it doesn't swell up after a practice when you don't even take full reps.

As already stated the doctor clearly said that Jones foot is 100% healed, and there isn't a chance of reinjuring it. However, you have to remember that he did have surgery, and he is now working his body back into football shape. Of course there is going to be soreness in that area, which hasn't been worked out hardly at all over the year. They said that he is going to have to deal with soreness for a while... that is not a big deal.

that's a ridiculous statement. please provide the quote where a doctor says he has no chance of reinjuring it.

No it is not, if you have read the doctors reports his foot is fully healed, and he has no more of a chance of reinjuring his foot in the same way than any other player in the NFL. He does have to get his body back into NFL gameday shape though.

again, please provide a link to a doctor who is guaranteeing that it won't be reinjured.

Here you go:

Marinelli won't rule out Kevin Jones playing in the opener

Posted by Tom Kowalski September 01, 2007 12:38PM

Lions head coach Rod Marinelli said it was highly unlikely that running back Kevin Jones would play in the regular season opener against the Oakland Raiders, but refused to rule it out. Marinelli said Jones' status would be evaluated on a week-to-week basis.



Marinelli said the team's decision to take Jones off the Physically Unable to Perform list was based on the fact that the surgeon who performed the Lisfranc surgery on Jones -- Dr. Robert Anderson -- said Jones was in no risk of re-injuring the foot. Marinelli acknowledged there were concerns about Jones suffering other compensation injuries as he returns to padded practices. In fact, Marinelli brought up the fact that linebacker Teddy Lehman, when he returned from Lisfranc surgery, suffered a hamstring pull during the recovery process.

http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/2007/09..._out_kevin.html

 

[the rover]

that's a quote from a coach.

 

[numberSE7EN]

I was looking for that article as well, but you beat me to it. Good find. As long as Kevin Jones gets himself back into football shape, and after reading how motivated he has been during his rehab, i can't see him not being able to get back into football shape, I think we will be able to put up per game numbers like he did last year.

Over 11 games he put up 1201 total yds, 8 tds, and 61 catches

Per game that was 110 yds a game, 5.5 catches a game, and .75 tds a game, I will gladly take those stats from my 12th round pick in weeks say 7-17. Weeks 3-6 to get up to speed and have a bye, after the bye he hopefully will be back to form and putting up big #s!

 

[VTjkru]

that's a quote from a coach.

Seriously?

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

that's a quote from a coach.

OMG... what do you expect? Do you think that the doctor himself sent out a mass email concerning Kevin Jones' foot? Why the hell would the coach say OVER AND OVER AGAIN, that the Doctor assured him of that, if he didn't? It wouldn't be in the Lion's best interest to lie about that. For god's sake, they said that was the entire reason that they decided to keep him off of PUP list. So, they just made that all up?

 

[numberSE7EN]

that's a quote from a coach.

Its from the doctor actaully.

 

[the rover]

Kevin Jones, three weeks ago:

"My body is telling me to go and get in there and play," Jones said. "But it really isn't my decision. It is up to the doctors and the guys upstairs. The doctors say it is getting better but that it is better to take more time than less time. People can go out there too early and get hurt. They don't want me to go out and reinjure it again."

You're saying in three weeks his doctors went from being cautious of reinjury to guaranteeing that he can't reinjure it? what they're saying is that the surgery should prevent another broken bone. the injury isn't just about bone, though. he did severe damage to the connective tissue. that's why he's still getting swelling after practice.

 

[the rover]

that's a quote from a coach.

Its from the doctor actaully.

no, it's from Rod Marinelli. Last I checked, he wasn't a doctor.

 

[DeadStroke]

that's a quote from a coach.

LMAO, You got Owned, admit it and move on.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Rover obviously dropped Jones off of his team (or lost him in a horrible trade thinking that he wouldn't be back to form), and is doing some wishful thinking right now.

 

[the rover]

that's a quote from a coach.

LMAO, You got Owned, admit it and move on.

read Kevin Jones' own quote about what his doctors told him.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

that's a quote from a coach.

Its from the doctor actaully.

no, it's from Rod Marinelli. Last I checked, he wasn't a doctor.

That was Marinelli, passing on a quote from the doctor. Just like any other quote that you normally read on the internet. Or... do you only believe quotes that are said, typed, and printed by the person who is being quoted? I am sure that Marinelli is just making it up for ####s and giggles.

 

[the rover]

Rover obviously dropped Jones off of his team (or lost him in a horrible trade thinking that he wouldn't be back to form), and is doing some wishful thinking right now.

Wouldn't touch him, since I don't believe he can stay healthy.

 

[the rover]

that's a quote from a coach.

Its from the doctor actaully.

no, it's from Rod Marinelli. Last I checked, he wasn't a doctor.

That was Marinelli, passing on a quote from the doctor. Just like any other quote that you normally read on the internet. Or... do you only believe quotes that are said, typed, and printed by the person who is being quoted? I am sure that Marinelli is just making it up for ####s and giggles.

so by your own logic you have to give at least the same weight to Kevin Jones quoting his own doctors saying he can reinjure it.

 

[az_prof]

What is the argument about? All the official information is that there is no risk of reinjury.

To answer the thread question: KJ won't do much fantasy wise this week, but I will be happy to see him get a couple of carries, catch a pass or two and take another step. If all goes well he should be starting in a week, which is what I figured all along.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

that's a quote from a coach.

LMAO, You got Owned, admit it and move on.

read Kevin Jones' own quote about what his doctors told him.

Yes, let's read Kevin Jones' most recent quotes regarding the matter.

big mental hurdle Jones has gotten over is not having to worry that he will re-injure his foot through practicing or playing in a game. The doctor who performed the surgery – Dr. Bob Anderson – declared the procedure a success, meaning that Jones can’t do anything to reverse it.

“I think it was big mentally,” said Jones, “because I don’t have to worry about re-injuring the same injury that I had – it would kind of be like a freak accident to do it again. Mentally it just helped me out to push it a little more.”

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_displ...ument_id=461459That was YESTERDAY.

 

[the rover]

I honestly don't care that much, but just to shut you up, $50 says he misses time due to issues related to his foot this season.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I honestly don't care that much, but just to shut you up, $50 says he misses time due to issues related to his foot this season.

That's hilarious... first you get rebuffed when trying to act like the Doctor didn't say that, and I was making it up. Then, you try to use the "that is what Kevin Jones' is saying" angle.... and get rebuffed again. All of this because you can't just believe what I said in the first place, which there was no reason not to. Now, you explain that you don't care that much, and want to make a financial wager with my internet persona over the computer?How about making this much less complicated. Admit that you were wrong, and I was correct in what I was saying.... or don't, and just drop it since you already got embarrassed. Simple as that.

 

[DeadStroke]

that's a quote from a coach.

LMAO, You got Owned, admit it and move on.

read Kevin Jones' own quote about what his doctors told him.

Do you have a link to the article that you're quoting? Was the quote from Jones before or after his examination by Dr. Anderson? The last week of August is when KJ was examined by Dr. Anderson (about three weeks ago) and ALL the reports that I read since then have said that the foot is structually sound and there was no chance of reinjuring it. They also said that after he pushes the foot, it will swell the day after and that needs to be monitored, but that there is no chance of reinjuring the lisfranc and the swelling is part of the recovery process.I'm betting that the quote you have cited from KJ is from before Dr. Anderson's examination.

 

[the rover]

I honestly don't care that much, but just to shut you up, $50 says he misses time due to issues related to his foot this season.

That's hilarious... first you get rebuffed when trying to act like the Doctor didn't say that, and I was making it up. Then, you try to use the "that is what Kevin Jones' is saying" angle.... and get rebuffed again. All of this because you can't just believe what I said in the first place, which there was no reason not to. Now, you explain that you don't care that much, and want to make a financial wager with my internet persona over the computer?How about making this much less complicated. Admit that you were wrong, and I was correct in what I was saying.... or don't, and just drop it since you already got embarrassed. Simple as that.

You still haven't posted a quote from his doctor--since there isn't one. You think teams aren't self-interested in saying that there was full medical clearance before putting an injured player back on the field?Go look up the history of these injuries. They've been career-enders. To try to claim that there is no chance that he will reinjure his foot is absurd, particularly where the entire reason to hold him out to this point was to prevent reinjury. My point is that he isn't fully healed, or he wouldn't be reporting swelling after practicing (especially in a partial practice). I'm not sold on the faith-healing/basement heat acupuncture treatment plan. Apparently either you don't buy your own position or you're too broke to come up with $50. Maybe you can save up from your paper route.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I honestly don't care that much, but just to shut you up, $50 says he misses time due to issues related to his foot this season.

That's hilarious... first you get rebuffed when trying to act like the Doctor didn't say that, and I was making it up. Then, you try to use the "that is what Kevin Jones' is saying" angle.... and get rebuffed again. All of this because you can't just believe what I said in the first place, which there was no reason not to. Now, you explain that you don't care that much, and want to make a financial wager with my internet persona over the computer?How about making this much less complicated. Admit that you were wrong, and I was correct in what I was saying.... or don't, and just drop it since you already got embarrassed. Simple as that.

You still haven't posted a quote from his doctor--since there isn't one. You think teams aren't self-interested in saying that there was full medical clearance before putting an injured player back on the field?Go look up the history of these injuries. They've been career-enders. To try to claim that there is no chance that he will reinjure his foot is absurd, particularly where the entire reason to hold him out to this point was to prevent reinjury. My point is that he isn't fully healed, or he wouldn't be reporting swelling after practicing (especially in a partial practice). I'm not sold on the faith-healing/basement heat acupuncture treatment plan. Apparently either you don't buy your own position or you're too broke to come up with $50. Maybe you can save up from your paper route.

Are you crying? I wouldn't bet you $50 dollars, because not only does what you said have nothing to do with reinjuring his foot, but also because I don't know you, and this is an internet message board. Kevin Jones missing time during this season due to his foot isn't the same thing as him reinjuring the foot, with the same injury. Don't you understand that? He could miss time, do to his foot being sore... do to overcompensating his foot, and injuring something else... ect.... He has already clearly said that he expects his foot to be sore for the rest of the year. That doesn't mean that he will reinjure it... but he could also miss time for it down the road due to overworking an area that had recently underwent surgery. Nobody knows the answer to that yet, and that has nothing to do with what the doctor said.The reason to keep him out up to this point, is because he is trying to get himself into football shape. You obviously haven't been following this issue as closely as I have. Let... it..... go.

 

[Keys Myaths]

@ all this. GB grown men acting like 5 year olds.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I wouldn't bet you $50 dollars, because not only does what you said have nothing to do with reinjuring his foot, but also because I don't know you, and this is an internet message board.

I bet Levin $50 once. Something to do with Reuben Droughns.Thanks for the easy money again, gb.

 

[the rover]

I forgot, fantasy football has nothing to do with gambling.

serious business, indeed.

enjoy your free yahoo league.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The doctors told the Lions coaches that his foot is 100% healed and that there is no more chance of him reinjuring it than any player injuring their foot.

See the article in post 56.

 

[switz]

15-20 snaps lands him on IR

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I forgot, fantasy football has nothing to do with gambling.serious business, indeed. enjoy your free yahoo league.

You have some serious issues, don't you? I don't even bother playing any online fantasy leagues. I am in a 12 man league, with a $50 dollar buy in, which is ran through a good friend of mine. We get together, and have our draft live and in person. I know, and have met personally every single person in our league. Is that enough info for you? Once again... our conversation had nothing to do with the bet that you want to make. If you wanted to make a bet about Kevin Jones reinjuring this foot with the same injury... then it would have made sense. Either way, I wouldn't bet you money because there is no point in it. I don't know you, don't care to, and wouldn't trust that you woulda actually pay the money. Saying that he might miss time because of his foot, is a completely different story, and obviously he has already missed time because of his foot... let alone the fact that he clearly states that it will be sore for the rest of the year.... so he may miss time for his foot... I never disagreed with that. You asked for proof that the doctor said that... and was provided with that proof. Then, you tried to rebuttal that proof by an OLD statement made by Jones before his doctor gave him his final examination. I corrected you with a direct quote from Jones made yesterday, and now you are just acting more and more childish talking about free yahoo fantasy football. You must be a very depressed human being.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Can someone merge this last page with the Andre Johnson thread so everyone can have a West Side Story-style dance fight?

 

[the rover]