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what can we expect from Randy Moss now? (1 Viewer)
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Brady Gaga
Footballguy
Let's see how he looks next week back in the dome vs. DAL.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
He had played with Favre for 5 days, pretty good IMO.
packersfan
Footballguy
Looked like a first-round pick to me tonight. Favre targeted him deep several times and Moss came up with another TD. The Vikings' season is in panic mode so Moss stands to receive a lot of targets each week and combine that with the extra game he's looking real good in my opinion.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
emge said:
What was this like the 2nd quarter when you posted this?? Sour grapes if you ask me. You know you wish you had drafted Moss instead of Fitzgerald.
Pipes
Footballguy
Yep, he's not going to have too many tall athletic DB's like Cromartie covering him the rest of the year. If Favre's arm doesn't fall off I think Moss is the #1 WR from here on out.
That's what I'm thinking...
I didn't have a chance to get him, because he was drafted 1 before my pick, with the 8th pick I took Gore. i am pretty happyMiles & White & Wayne >>> MossMoss != 1st round pickemge said:
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packersfan
Footballguy
Congrats. That was a nice pick. The good news for Moss owners is he's once again looking very much like the stud WR we all drafted him to be. This was a strong debut tonight when you consider the lack of practice time and the fact he was going up against a CB who matches up well with him. Moss will have plenty of much easier matchups the rest of the way. It's a very good time to be a Moss owner in my opinion.I didn't have a chance to get him, because he was drafted 1 before my pick, with the 8th pick I took Gore. i am pretty happyemge said:
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Insoxicated
MY concern is this. The Vikings are going to need to work some magic to be in the Playoff mix.
Farve is looking beat up and as the season wears on I don't think he is going to last. There is a very real chance that Moss is going to NOT have Favre throwing to him come weeks 14-16 (When you really need him).
I'd personally consider trying to move him on the momentum of this announcement if I had him for that very reason. I'm fairly certain I'll be making the playoffs... I want guys who will come up big IN the playoffs.
Farve is looking beat up and as the season wears on I don't think he is going to last. There is a very real chance that Moss is going to NOT have Favre throwing to him come weeks 14-16 (When you really need him).
I'd personally consider trying to move him on the momentum of this announcement if I had him for that very reason. I'm fairly certain I'll be making the playoffs... I want guys who will come up big IN the playoffs.
az_prof
Footballguy
Odds that you will ever carry Moss or Favre's jock? 100 %For what it's worth, I wish I had Moss. I think he will play hard and do well the rest of the way. He clearly can still get open deep. Once he learns the playbook, look out.
az_prof
Footballguy
TJax has a very strong arm and can throw the deep ball. It isn't like it is Trent Edwards waiting in the wings. TJax isn't a great QB, but he is better than a lot of people credit.
footballnerd
Footballguy
16 fpts from a 1st rounder with less than 5 days on his new team is good production.seemed like Favre had a hard time gripping the ball. has he thrown like that all season or was it partially due to the rain and a wet ball?
CaptainHook
Footballguy
Lol...why did u make this thread ???I didn't have a chance to get him, because he was drafted 1 before my pick, with the 8th pick I took Gore. i am pretty happyMiles & White & Wayne >>> MossMoss != 1st round pickemge said:What was this like the 2nd quarter when you posted this?? Sour grapes if you ask me. You know you wish you had drafted Moss instead of Fitzgerald.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm no TJax fan but I agree he can throw the ball downfield. Plus Moss is playing for a new contract. I don't see any reason to expect his production to tail off barring him suffering an injury. No matter who the QB is, a huge part of the game plan will be to target Moss. We saw it tonight and he only had three days of practice.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I think that even if you believe this, you wait a few weeks before trying to move him. He should have a big game or two in store.
too bad my ff league doesn't have that category
cubbie5150
Footballguy
He's also playing for a new contract, so the theory of him "checking out" may not be as viable as many think.... Vikings have already agreed to not franchise nor transition him.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
CJ and AD are the only guys who I wouldn't trade for Moss now.
Going to Minnesota is a major upgrade for Moss.
Going to Minnesota is a major upgrade for Moss.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Finally, a voice of reason.
FUBAR
Footballguy
stay classy guy.
FUBAR
Footballguy
It will probably happen sometime but Favre hasn't missed games. If the Vikings are out of it, Favre will simply be chucking the rock to Moss as much as possible to enhance his records and give the fans some excitement. I'm happy to keep Moss in 2 leagues, partly for his playoff potential.
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Insoxicated
WHy would I want to carry another man's jock?
Clifford
Footballguy
One thing to consider is that the Jets are about the only team cocky enough to believe they can cover Moss one on one. He'll be doubled in Dallas for sure. And likely from here on out.
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Insoxicated
Moss was a 1st rounder with Brady or FavreMoss is a 2nd or 3rd rounder with "TJax" If you have any leanings toward Favre not throwing to Moss or Moss losing interest if they continue to lose football games, then you have to try to move him while his value is high.
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Insoxicated
Let me clarify: Do I think Moss will flop? OF course not. He's very likely to be a top 10 WR going forward. However is there some signifcant risk associated with owning him? Yes... bigtime.
1) FAVRE'S DURABILTY
I campaigned actively against anyone who doubted the ironman's durability in the preseason. "He NEVER misses games" I said. This year is indeed different. He's already got arm issues and he's already had half a dozen shots in that bum ankle of his. His team is 1-3 right now and they're heading into a rough portion of their schedule. What does Brett do if he continues getting hammered and the Vikings lose a few more games? What if they're 2-5 or 2-6? What if that arm gets worse and he can't throw the deep ball with any accuracy? What if the angle regresses?
2) FAVRE'S DISCIPLINARY ISSUES
Sure, MOST likely case is nothing comes of this during this season. Sterger will fail to comply after getting cut a check from brett's camp... or she'll worry about future job prospects. OR things could come forward but appeals could drag it out. However there is still SOME risk here that Favre could face some degree of disciplinary action for the photos incident.
3) THE SCHEDULE:
@ GB / @ NE / ARI / @ CHI / GB / @ WAS / BUF
PLAYOFFS: NYG (1) / CHI (17) / @ PHI (8)
Minnesota will be carrying their dismal 1-3 record into the house of the Pack / Pats / Bears over the next 4 weeks. They have 2 "easy" games remaining against Arizona and Buffalo.... the rest of the games will be a huge Challenge. It would NOT surprise me to see the Vikings at 4-7 heading into the Fantasy Playoffs.
Fantasy Playoffs are another thing. You'll have what is likely a Rag-armed, Hobbled Favre (if not T Jackson) throwing to a disinterested moss (the Vikings will likely be out of the playoff race) against some of the top Passing Defenses in the league. That is a recipe for disaster.
OVERALL:
Moss should put up some numbers but the risk factors are far too high for me to not consider selling if I can get good market value for him.
1) FAVRE'S DURABILTY
I campaigned actively against anyone who doubted the ironman's durability in the preseason. "He NEVER misses games" I said. This year is indeed different. He's already got arm issues and he's already had half a dozen shots in that bum ankle of his. His team is 1-3 right now and they're heading into a rough portion of their schedule. What does Brett do if he continues getting hammered and the Vikings lose a few more games? What if they're 2-5 or 2-6? What if that arm gets worse and he can't throw the deep ball with any accuracy? What if the angle regresses?
2) FAVRE'S DISCIPLINARY ISSUES
Sure, MOST likely case is nothing comes of this during this season. Sterger will fail to comply after getting cut a check from brett's camp... or she'll worry about future job prospects. OR things could come forward but appeals could drag it out. However there is still SOME risk here that Favre could face some degree of disciplinary action for the photos incident.
3) THE SCHEDULE:
@ GB / @ NE / ARI / @ CHI / GB / @ WAS / BUF
PLAYOFFS: NYG (1) / CHI (17) / @ PHI (8)
Minnesota will be carrying their dismal 1-3 record into the house of the Pack / Pats / Bears over the next 4 weeks. They have 2 "easy" games remaining against Arizona and Buffalo.... the rest of the games will be a huge Challenge. It would NOT surprise me to see the Vikings at 4-7 heading into the Fantasy Playoffs.
Fantasy Playoffs are another thing. You'll have what is likely a Rag-armed, Hobbled Favre (if not T Jackson) throwing to a disinterested moss (the Vikings will likely be out of the playoff race) against some of the top Passing Defenses in the league. That is a recipe for disaster.
OVERALL:
Moss should put up some numbers but the risk factors are far too high for me to not consider selling if I can get good market value for him.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I watched last night, and came away with a different take... but I'm not sure if it was due to Moss or Cromartie. What I saw was Moss getting very little separation, even on the TD pass. The TD catch was not vintage Moss, going up over the DB and taking the ball away. The TD catch looked to me like a strong play from a veteran receiver using his body position to shield the defender away from the pass over the outside shoulder, along with keeping his hands quiet until the last moment. A very good play from Moss, but I did not see the guy who wins jump balls in the air that dominated the league for so long.There were 2 or 3 other plays down the field where Cromartie was right with Moss, and Moss was unable to come down with the ball in those 1:1 battles on reasonably well thrown balls. Only on 1 play ( 3rd Q, I believe ) did I see Moss have any real separation ( about 1 step down the left side ), and the ball was slightly underthrown. Moss had a play on that ball, but the throw led him back into Cromartie... if that was out in front ( like the TD pass ), Moss would have had another loooooong TD.
My question is this... Is Cromartie a particularly difficult matchup for Moss because he has both the size and speed to stay with Moss on the deep go routes? In earlier games, Cromartie looked to be vulnerable to sharp cuts on routes and double moves, but looks to be $$ on straight man coverage on the go route. And, for the most part ( at least on plays where the ball went to Moss ) there didn't appear to be much in the way of rolling coverage over the top.
Learning the playbook will help, of course. Favre targeting him 10+ times will help his Fantasy prospects immensely. I would expect WR1 range production the rest of the way for Moss, and as the 1st TD to Harvin showed, he will help open the underneath crossing routes for the other guys.
But is Moss still the Freak? Or is he "just" a very good deep threat WR on a team that will throw a lot?
CaptainHook
Footballguy
My question is this... Is Cromartie a particularly difficult matchup for Moss because he has both the size and speed to stay with Moss on the deep go routes?
Yes
Yes
Clifford
Footballguy
This is my fourth straight season owning Moss and I traded him on the news because I have noticed basically everything you have said. For a while I chalked it up to disinterest, lollygagging, etc, but after a while I came to the conclusion that he simply is not what he used to be. I think that 80% Moss is still better than 90% of the receivers in the league, but like I said he won't see single coverage against any other teams. Only the Jets think they can do that.
So basically you've got a guy whose ability really shouldn't dictate double coverage any more, but his name does.
He's a really tough one to gauge simply because at his peak, he was the most physically gifted and dominant WR in the game, possibly ever (not saying he's better than Rice, just more physically gifted to play the position). So saying he's lost some of that isn't saying he's bad, just less unbelievably awesome.
So basically you've got a guy whose ability really shouldn't dictate double coverage any more, but his name does.
He's a really tough one to gauge simply because at his peak, he was the most physically gifted and dominant WR in the game, possibly ever (not saying he's better than Rice, just more physically gifted to play the position). So saying he's lost some of that isn't saying he's bad, just less unbelievably awesome.
Football Critic
Footballguy
Moss is an oober stud, 10 targets 81 yards and a TD after a few days of practice?
I'm loving it, whats to discuss, I'm trying to move him for an oober runner...
I sent a Deal along with Knowshown for Colston and Benson in a TD league just to see if the dude will part with Colston...guy laughed at me, I like to send out offers for people to tell me how crazy of an offer it is when i know better. He has Favre too, maybe i sent a bad offer, who knows, but i think it was more then fair.
Moss with Favre throwin to him will end up with 12 tds I'm guessin.
I'm loving it, whats to discuss, I'm trying to move him for an oober runner...
I sent a Deal along with Knowshown for Colston and Benson in a TD league just to see if the dude will part with Colston...guy laughed at me, I like to send out offers for people to tell me how crazy of an offer it is when i know better. He has Favre too, maybe i sent a bad offer, who knows, but i think it was more then fair.
Moss with Favre throwin to him will end up with 12 tds I'm guessin.
packersfan
Footballguy
He's been doubled nearly every game of his career. That's nothing new. He isn't likely to face a matchup this difficult for him the rest of the season. He's looking like a Top 5 WR again.
Clifford
Footballguy
Right but do you think he's lost nothing and is still in peak form? If so obviously hold. If you are like me and think his skills have declined a good bit, then he's a sell because he can't beat double coverage like he used to.
packersfan
Footballguy
Given how Moss is trying to land one more big pay day I'm not concerned about him losing interest as long as the Vikings keep feeding him the ball which they definitely will.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Strange timing on this thread, I'd have agreed after last week's MNF debacle. But now? So you're down on Moss after 4-81-1TD performance in pouring rain, after four days of prep with his new team, vs. the best D he'll face the remainder of the season?
His value is way up after last week. Outside of Miles Austin and a healthy Andre Johnson I can't think of any WR I'd prefer the rest of the way. Favre was gushing over him in the postgame. Give these guys a few weeks together against some lesser opponents in the dome and I think you'll come around.
His value is way up after last week. Outside of Miles Austin and a healthy Andre Johnson I can't think of any WR I'd prefer the rest of the way. Favre was gushing over him in the postgame. Give these guys a few weeks together against some lesser opponents in the dome and I think you'll come around.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think he's still an elite receiver. Of course he's lost a step. He's 34. But he's still a stud talent and as he showed last night he is capable of making big plays when given the opportunity. He wasn't being given the opportunity this season in New England but that's all going to change now with the Vikings. Ten targets after three days of practice is a pretty strong sign of how vital he's going to be to the offense going forward.
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So you're not at alll concerned about:1) Favre's Arm2) Favre's Ankle3) Favre's Disciplinary Issues 4) Viking's Schedule vs Pass-Stingy Defenses... particularly in the FF Playoffs?
CaptainHook
Footballguy
real issues :
favres arm
favres situation(penis pics)
the vikings situation(theres a chance of either or both moss and favre giving up once they are out of the playoffs)
fake issues:
randy moss lost a step
favres arm
favres situation(penis pics)
the vikings situation(theres a chance of either or both moss and favre giving up once they are out of the playoffs)
fake issues:
randy moss lost a step
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Sure but I guess I'm more excited that:1) Moss is again the go-to guy.2) Favre will feed him the ball and force the ball into coverage.3) Moss is back in the Dome4) Defenses will have to key on Adrian Peterson
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree the timing of this thread is curious. Moss put up 4-81-1 despite having only three practices. We saw clear signs that Favre is going to target him a ton. He is unlikely to face a matchup this difficult again the rest of the season. His target total was his highest in 10 games dating back to last season. This was nearly as many receptions in last night's game as the previous three combined. The Vikings' offense looked great in the final 20 minutes or so once they started putting things together. There are tons of reasons to be feeling great about Moss right now. In my opinion he looks like a stud WR again. If you're still fighting in your league despite his slow start you just got handed a major gift.
Clifford
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
I saw 8 on another site. But I stand by my point. There are tons of reasons to feel good about Moss right now. He once again looks like the Top 5 WR he was drafted to be. I couldn't say that a week ago today after that miserable final game for the Patriots.
ATC1
Footballguy
With the NFC being such a mess, I think the Vikings shouldn't be in panic mode, but need a win vs Dallas. I think they get it and get back on track. Moss was shut out in the 2nd half against Cromartie when he was with New England. Favre's elbow is a concern, but he has played through pain in the past. Moss owners will probably ask for too much because of potential and those trying to get Moss will probably not give enough because of Favre's problems.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Ailing-...-Vikings-101310
Tried to tell you guys.. hope some of you sold high.
Tried to tell you guys.. hope some of you sold high.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I own Moss in one league, and I'm thinking that if Moss (and Favre, to an extent) has a big game against Dallas, I'm going to have to try and sell him high. my concerns are the same as icon's. I actually believed before the start of the season that if Favre came back he wouldn't last the whole season. no real reason, mostly just a gut feeling. I felt that if he came back, got a little banged up, and Minnesota fell behind in the playoff race, that he might check out because it didn't seem like he had much desire during the summer. and now with a potential harassment case looming, it could be one more reason for Favre to miss games.
I don't know if any of those things will actually come to fruition, but without Favre, Moss's value would fall off a cliff. I'm hoping he has a big game this weekend, so I can try to move him.
I don't know if any of those things will actually come to fruition, but without Favre, Moss's value would fall off a cliff. I'm hoping he has a big game this weekend, so I can try to move him.
