What did we learn week 2? (1 Viewer)

[dickey moe]

What did we learn week 2?

Not to listen to Adam Shefter?

:goodpost: Eff his "inside" sources.

 

[SpruceGoose]

he who best plays the waiver wire, wins..these injuries to big name players are staggering.

This is the most important thing.

Last year 7 out of my first 10 picks were bust...but I play the waiver wire hard. Ended up being one win from the Championship.

(I work from home so I have a leg up on those 9 to 5ers).

Every year people get pissed and say FF is all luck because the team they loved in the preseason is crapping the bed.

Luck is a big part of it, but saying its all luck is being a bit emotional.

 

[Chaka]

V Jax is not a part of the Tampa offensive plan anymore

He led the team in targets both games. His QBs just flat out suck.

He also played against two of the best defenses in the league.

 

[lod01]

Jeff Fisher is a complete idiot if he goes back to Shaun Hill. Hill is a journeyman backup. Davis needs to be given a shot. That is how Brady was found and how Warner was found.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

This is what I learned after week 2: Between rule changes, scandal and the fact that no one goes to games to watch 3rd-tier players play football since everyone else is hurt, the Golden Age of the NFL may be coming to an end.

 

[ImTheScientist]

That fantasy football is 100% luck. I don't care how good your draft was. The team that wins your league could have Mark Ingram and Terrance West as their starting RBs.

Learned you overreacted week 1.

 

[justinl]

2. 49ers d is average. Too many issues. No way what happened sun night happens in 2012 or 2013.

The defense is not that bad. Despite letting Murray run amuck on them last week, Jay Cutler was the leading rusher and they held him to under 200 yds passing. Although they didn't match up with Marshall in the redzone, they didn't give the Bears any room on offense. I would attribute a lot of both games to the offense just not moving the ball. Yesterday, the turnovers set the Bears up with good field position.

 

[msudaisy26]

This is what I learned after week 2: Between rule changes, scandal and the fact that no one goes to games to watch 3rd-tier players play football since everyone else is hurt, the Golden Age of the NFL may be coming to an end.

I like this and would like to add to it. Fantasy football is becoming more like real football. The teams that win aren't the teams with them most studs, they are the teams that avoid injuries/suspensions and have quality depth for when those injuries.suspensions happen

 

[Rick James]

Kelce momentum each week. Will be a huge factor soon.

Travis Kelce played on 32-of-86 snaps in Sunday's loss at Denver.

My gawd Andy Reid is a moron. 32 snaps and he goes 4-81.

hell he played like 18 snaps in week 1. PROGRESS

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Saints defensive game plan was terrible. Playing 10 yards off WRs that cant run by you, no blitzes whatsoever to a QB that was woefully inaccurate with time.

Learned far before week 2, Saints DB Patrick Robinson is horrible. Champ Bailey really must have been done...

 

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

 

[snitwitch]

2. 49ers d is average. Too many issues. No way what happened sun night happens in 2012 or 2013.

The defense is not that bad. Despite letting Murray run amuck on them last week, Jay Cutler was the leading rusher and they held him to under 200 yds passing. Although they didn't match up with Marshall in the redzone, they didn't give the Bears any room on offense. I would attribute a lot of both games to the offense just not moving the ball. Yesterday, the turnovers set the Bears up with good field position.

their pass rush was lacking

 

[zamboni]

It may take a few years until Jamaal Charles falls off the cliff (disregarding the current ankle injury), but Knile Davis may be a star in this league at some point. Only 22 years old - reminds me of the case with Michael Turner waiting in the wings of LT's shadow.

 

[FUBAR]

Titans will be inconsistent.

 

[Zow]

That fantasy football is 100% luck. I don't care

how good your draft was. The team that wins your league could have Mark Ingram and Terrance West as their starting RBs.

I'll say 90% luck. Maybe 95. Kinda like poker. Get enough good luck and a monkey can win.

You don't understand poker.

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

 

[NYRAGE]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

Projections are based on a full season. He was probably slightly undervalued because people weren't expecting the offense to be very good. However, there is still a long way to go for him to get injured, especially given his recent history. If he somehow stays healthy, then sure.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Kelce momentum each week. Will be a huge factor soon.

Travis Kelce played on 32-of-86 snaps in Sunday's loss at Denver.My gawd Andy Reid is a moron. 32 snaps and he goes 4-81.

hell he played like 18 snaps in week 1. PROGRESS

watched the whole game. They don't really use him till the near red zone. Why? They literally have nothing besides charles. Open it up Reid. Kelce looks big and Fast coming across the middle.

 

[Van Dyman]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

Learned Blue may be the handcuff instead of Grimes

 

[B-Deep]

* the browns are better than i thought


* hey saints fans, welcome to the world of Rob Ryan. Last year was some honyemoon, this is who he is. If your defense needs one stop to win the game he won't get it for you, take that to the bank brohans.

 

[Chaka]

Kelce momentum each week. Will be a huge factor soon.

Travis Kelce played on 32-of-86 snaps in Sunday's loss at Denver.My gawd Andy Reid is a moron. 32 snaps and he goes 4-81.

hell he played like 18 snaps in week 1. PROGRESS

watched the whole game. They don't really use him till the near red zone. Why? They literally have nothing besides charles. Open it up Reid.Kelce looks big and Fast coming across the middle.

Their offensive line is a mess and they are probably keeping him in for blocking more then they would like when he does play.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Kelce momentum each week. Will be a huge factor soon.

Travis Kelce played on 32-of-86 snaps in Sunday's loss at Denver.My gawd Andy Reid is a moron. 32 snaps and he goes 4-81.

hell he played like 18 snaps in week 1. PROGRESS

watched the whole game. They don't really use him till the near red zone. Why? They literally have nothing besides charles. Open it up Reid.Kelce looks big and Fast coming across the middle.

Their offensive line is a mess and they are probably keeping him in for blocking more then they would like when he does play.

no I focused on kelce each play. He is not out there to block. He's spread out wide a lot on 4 receiver formations.

 

[lod01]

Kelce momentum each week. Will be a huge factor soon.

Travis Kelce played on 32-of-86 snaps in Sunday's loss at Denver.My gawd Andy Reid is a moron. 32 snaps and he goes 4-81.

hell he played like 18 snaps in week 1. PROGRESS

watched the whole game. They don't really use him till the near red zone. Why? They literally have nothing besides charles. Open it up Reid.Kelce looks big and Fast coming across the middle.

Their offensive line is a mess and they are probably keeping him in for blocking more then they would like when he does play.

Actually they keep Fasano in for blocking. He's the better blocker. Pretty sure A. Smith would rather have Kelce out there to throw to.

 

[ImTheScientist]

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

He taught you that by not playing this week?

 

[Hybrid]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

 

[ufshowboat]

- the wait on your qb strategy sounds great in theory, but when you are watching your starting qb put up 10-15 points while your opponent has Rodgers, manning, Brees, putting up 25+ pts it really sucks.

Unless you waited and got Rivers, Cutler, Wilson. . .

 

[ufshowboat]

That fantasy football is 100% luck. I don't care how good your draft was. The team that wins your league could have Mark Ingram and Terrance West as their starting RBs.

I'd say at most its 50-50 luck/skill. The poker reference was a good one. With good luck a bad fantasy owner can win. With bad luck a good fantasy owner can lose. But good fantasy coaches consistently win more than they lose regardless of injuries and luck. The people claiming its ALL luck are just upset and clearly not in the "good" owner bucket.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

We learned, once and for all, that Aaron Rodgers is the "No. 1 quarterback in the history of this league." Thank God we can stop debating, it's been a long, painful process...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-insider-rex-ryan-ready-rip-credits-aaron-rodgers-article-1.1939696

 

[TheFanatic]

having ADP, RG3, AJ Green and Jamaal Charles.. no beuno

I have three of those guys (not Charles) plus Matthews in the same league.

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

 

[Franknbeans]

that Goodell took a dump on the shield

 

[ufshowboat]

I learned that there are a bunch of people out there who's stance on real-life issues such as domestic violence, drugs, and child abuse can vary depending on who they have on their fantasy team.

 

[fred_1_15301]

That fantasy football is 100% luck. I don't care

how good your draft was. The team that wins your league could have Mark Ingram and Terrance West as their starting RBs.

I'll say 90% luck. Maybe 95. Kinda like poker. Get enough good luck and a monkey can win.

You don't understand poker.

Anyone who thinks fantasy football is 95% luck does not have a lot of credibility. Anyone who thinks poker is 95% luck has zero credibility.

 

[zamboni]

Davante Adams, not Jarrett Boykin, is the #3 WR to have in Green Bay. And as with last year, if Nelson or Cobb get hurt, that #3 spot could pay some big dividends.

 

[UFO]

NEVER EVER EVER over think things

Cutler, week 1 made mistakes that cost them win, Marshall and Jeffery injured

Week 2: Cutler playing against one of the nastier defenses in the league, opening a new stadium on national tv, Marshall and Jeffrey both GTD with injuries that usually kill WRs, hamstrings and ankles. So why not start Alex Smith...FBG Line-up dominator only has him scoring like a point less than Cutler and surely with all the injuries to KC D Denver will be up by 30 and the half which will equal TONs of garbage points for Smith...Right?

Well the afternoon game happened, NO TDs for Smith but surely his 14 points will be around the same Cutler can muster up right?. Fast forward to night game, 1:30 left in half and Cutler has like 1.4 points and THAN gets killed with a helmet to chest...well at least I made the right choice despite not getting much out of Smith...an hour and a half later Cutler has 4 TDS and I lose the week on overthinking it!

I guess the one saving grace is that Cutler is gonna have a big year and knock wood with all the injuries yesterday I didn't lose one player!

 

[ufshowboat]

Dallas was being mentioned as one of the worst defenses ever. Through 2 weeks, they don't seem like the "start the entire offense against Dallas D" lock that many had thought. The only fantasy players to go off were both TEs. Some interesting trends and not what was expected.

 

[shadyridr]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

 

[zed2283]

The Redskins learned that you can wait to draft your QB.

 

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

 

[dcgangstas]

with all of the injuries, depth on your roster is imperative.

Weird week. only one QB (Rodgers) passed for more than 300 yards on Sunday.

 

[Quez]

V Jax is not a part of the Tampa offensive plan anymore

He led the team in targets both games. His QBs just flat out suck.He also played against two of the best defenses in the league.

Jenkins is a top CB in the league & he covered him quite a bit yesterday.

 

[steelcityman]

Always start your RBs that are going against Atlanta. 2nd or 3rd stringers included.

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

 

[oswizzle]

without HGH the NFL will be nothing but Injuries left and right

 

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

I'm not following this line of thinking - as the season plays out, I think it is very likely that Manning will outscore the QB2 by over 50 points. He simply does not lay eggs. He is pass happy, he throws in the red zone, he is getting Welker back soon, etc. Last year he outscored the QB2 in our league (Brees) by almost 100 points and the QB3 (Rivers) by almost 200. By comparison, there were 7 RB within 100 points of Charles and 17 WR within 100 pts of Gordon. I don't see where you get "the same scoring from a handful of other guys" by waiting.

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

I'm not following this line of thinking - as the season plays out, I think it is very likely that Manning will outscore the QB2 by over 50 points. He simply does not lay eggs. He is pass happy, he throws in the red zone, he is getting Welker back soon, etc. Last year he outscored the QB2 in our league (Brees) by almost 100 points and the QB3 (Rivers) by almost 200. By comparison, there were 7 RB within 100 points of Charles and 17 WR within 100 pts of Gordon. I don't see where you get "the same scoring from a handful of other guys" by waiting.

How can you tell that from 2 weeks though? Just going on a 2 week sample size he is still good but coming back to the pack. I happen to disagree with you, last year it took a record breaking year for him to outscore the qb2 by 50 points. He isn't on that type of pace this year and I don't think he comes close to that number, unless the rest of the league has a major regression. In my opinion anyone that dropped major money on Peyton in an auction league or took him with their first round pick is chasing last years points. I would be willing to bet money he doesn't out pace the second best quarterback by 50 points this year.

 

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

I'm not following this line of thinking - as the season plays out, I think it is very likely that Manning will outscore the QB2 by over 50 points. He simply does not lay eggs. He is pass happy, he throws in the red zone, he is getting Welker back soon, etc. Last year he outscored the QB2 in our league (Brees) by almost 100 points and the QB3 (Rivers) by almost 200. By comparison, there were 7 RB within 100 points of Charles and 17 WR within 100 pts of Gordon. I don't see where you get "the same scoring from a handful of other guys" by waiting.

How can you tell that from 2 weeks though? Just going on a 2 week sample size he is still good but coming back to the pack. I happen to disagree with you, last year it took a record breaking year for him to outscore the qb2 by 50 points. He isn't on that type of pace this year and I don't think he comes close to that number, unless the rest of the league has a major regression. In my opinion anyone that dropped major money on Peyton in an auction league or took him with their first round pick is chasing last years points. I would be willing to bet money he doesn't out pace the second best quarterback by 50 points this year.

Your point about these actual 2 weeks is spot on, but to me you can extrapolate how the season may play out based on trends from 2 weeks - and it looks like this season is very likely to play out alot like last year did - with Manning throwing for 300 yards and 3 TDs every week. Nobody else offers that sort of security. He is mostly matchup proof, he is a stat hound, he has weapons all around him, he has a mediocre RB this year, etc etc. I think its more than a safe bet he outscores QB2 by 50, and that would only be half of what he pulled off last year.

 

[TheFanatic]

That fantasy football is 100% luck. I don't care

how good your draft was. The team that wins your league could have Mark Ingram and Terrance West as their starting RBs.

I'll say 90% luck. Maybe 95. Kinda like poker. Get enough good luck and a monkey can win.

You don't understand poker.

Anyone who thinks fantasy football is 95% luck does not have a lot of credibility. Anyone who thinks poker is 95% luck has zero credibility.

Yet every year we see guys who win the WW lottery go far in fantasy football.

95% luck is a reach, but there is a ton of luck. Look at all the injuries this last week. Some teams like mine were devastated while others were not touched.

 

[GROOT]

I am Groot

 

[Raback]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.