What did we learn week 2? (1 Viewer)

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

Right, there is a value to having that as well - a guy you KNOW is going to show up every week and in all likelihood, outscore the counterpart on your opponent's team. You don't have to worry about playing matchups or picking a guy who may have the hot hand in a given week. Most of the time, the "hot hand" from any other QB will equal a ho-hum week from Manning (Brees and Rodgers being the only real exceptions to that.)

FYI, I do not have Manning in our league. He was available at #7 when I picked, but I took Graham instead. Manning went 10th and I took Rodgers on the comeback.

 

[AMT]

That you don't have to have a good team anymore in fantasy- you just have to suck less then everyone else and hope your team gets less devastating injuries.

 

[TheFanatic]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That was last year. This year, Peyton is not trying to set the TD record. In my main league, there are three QB's with more points and one RB than PM.

 

[Chaka]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 QB in my league. Luck could pass him, Foles would need an heroic effort.

 

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That was last year. This year, Peyton is not trying to set the TD record. In my main league, there are three QB's with more points and one RB than PM.

Manning has 61 pts through 2 games in my league. Ryan has 57, Stafford 55, Cutler 59. No RB is even close (Lynch 35, Murray 39.) Let's see a show of hands for those who think luminaries like Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler and Matt Stafford are likely to keep pace with Manning?

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That is a horrible argument, because it works both ways. You take Peyton in the first round and then in round 5 you took Gerhart. My team took Marshawn Lynch in round 1 and Luck in round 5. Not only is Luck keeping up with Peyton but Lynch has lapped Gerhart. It is a bad argument

 

[Chaka]

I learned that people believe this was the first week in NFL history that a player was injured.

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That was last year. This year, Peyton is not trying to set the TD record. In my main league, there are three QB's with more points and one RB than PM.

Manning has 61 pts through 2 games in my league. Ryan has 57, Stafford 55, Cutler 59. No RB is even close (Lynch 35, Murray 39.) Let's see a show of hands for those who think luminaries like Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler and Matt Stafford are likely to keep pace with Manning?

You are getting way offtrack from my earlier post. I said how after 2 weeks can you conclude that Manning should be a first round pick? You can't last year you could because he was miles ahead of everyone. You also forget to mention Rodgers, who is only a few points behind, Luck, who will probably be ahead of him after tonight, and Foles who might be ahead of him. I think all 3 of those guys can keep up with him.

 

[Cyclones]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That is a horrible argument, because it works both ways. You take Peyton in the first round and then in round 5 you took Gerhart. My team took Marshawn Lynch in round 1 and Luck in round 5. Not only is Luck keeping up with Peyton but Lynch has lapped Gerhart. It is a bad argument

Take the advice in your "interests" section and learn more about fantasy football. Andrew Luck will not be in the same area code as Manning as the year plays out, and if you think isolating picks in 2 rounds is a good way to gauge value, you need to start over and rethink things.

 

[Chaka]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That is a horrible argument, because it works both ways. You take Peyton in the first round and then in round 5 you took Gerhart. My team took Marshawn Lynch in round 1 and Luck in round 5. Not only is Luck keeping up with Peyton but Lynch has lapped Gerhart. It is a bad argument

That is why you should be in either a start 2 QB league or a super-flex league. No way in any format should a guy like Luck be available in the fifth round. It's ludicrous. If every NFL player were to be put into a pool and the 32 teams had a draft how many QBs would be drafted in the first round and how many RBs? Luck would likely be the first player taken.

 

[Leonidas]

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

Jake-freaking-Locker isn't that bad of a QB. He was doing just fine before his injury last year, and has been doing just fine since. You could do a lot worse

 

[Cyclones]

You are getting way offtrack from my earlier post. I said how after 2 weeks can you conclude that Manning should be a first round pick? You can't last year you could because he was miles ahead of everyone. You also forget to mention Rodgers, who is only a few points behind, Luck, who will probably be ahead of him after tonight, and Foles who might be ahead of him. I think all 3 of those guys can keep up with him.

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

Luck needs 28 points tonight to tie Manning after week 2 in my league - a number he exceeded in 3 of 16 games last season. Good luck with those odds.

 

[Leonidas]

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

We'll get a pretty good apples to apples comparison next Sunday when DEN goes to SEA

 

[ImTheScientist]

I am Groot

I like this schtick.

 

[Shutout]

Bills D at home belongs in the discussion for second best, after Seattle.

Cincy.

Fixed.

Some people are not paying attention to what the Bengals are doing on D.

 

[msudaisy26]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That is a horrible argument, because it works both ways. You take Peyton in the first round and then in round 5 you took Gerhart. My team took Marshawn Lynch in round 1 and Luck in round 5. Not only is Luck keeping up with Peyton but Lynch has lapped Gerhart. It is a bad argument

Take the advice in your "interests" section and learn more about fantasy football. Andrew Luck will not be in the same area code as Manning as the year plays out, and if you think isolating picks in 2 rounds is a good way to gauge value, you need to start over and rethink things.

Lol, maybe you should learn some reading comprehension. I said it was a HORRIBLE way to argue the value. It was an example of how bad it is.

 

[Shutout]

Depth will win a lot of leagues this year.

Injuries are injuries and you never know who or when but what you can tell right away is the law of the land is now "error on the side of caution".

Any player with anything resembling a head issue or pulls up lame on any problem is getting an automatic "lose half a quarter" checking it out thing.

Bonus: THe guy with the Graham/Lynch/A. Brown/Foster draft has already won the league. Might as well reboot it and play an 11 week league.

 

[Cyclones]

Lol, maybe you should learn some reading comprehension. I said it was a HORRIBLE way to argue the value. It was an example of how bad it is.

Michigan State Education at work here - you said "you took Manning in round 1 and Gerhart in round 5, I took Lynch in round 1 and Luck in round 5, I am better than you and it proves taking Manning in the first round was a stupid idea." SMH.

 

[msudaisy26]

You are getting way offtrack from my earlier post. I said how after 2 weeks can you conclude that Manning should be a first round pick? You can't last year you could because he was miles ahead of everyone. You also forget to mention Rodgers, who is only a few points behind, Luck, who will probably be ahead of him after tonight, and Foles who might be ahead of him. I think all 3 of those guys can keep up with him.

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

Luck needs 28 points tonight to tie Manning after week 2 in my league - a number he exceeded in 3 of 16 games last season. Good luck with those odds.

A couple points and then I am done arguing with the slow crowd.

Manning has had plenty of 13 point games in his career go look it up.

In what scoring system does Luck need 28 points to tie Manning

Luck 370 yards passing 2 passing touchdowns 2 ints 19 yards rushing and 1 rushing touchdown = 28.7 standard scoring 4 point passing tds -1 int

Manning 511 passing yards 6 passing touchdowns 0 ints -4 yards rushing = 44.04

 

[lod01]

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

We'll get a pretty good apples to apples comparison next Sunday when DEN goes to SEA

I'd expect Manning to do quite well vs the Seattle D next week. He's great when nothing is on the line.

 

[Raback]

Lol, maybe you should learn some reading comprehension. I said it was a HORRIBLE way to argue the value. It was an example of how bad it is.

So you attempt to disprove my example by cherry picking players to suit your argument? Why didn't you choose Lacy or Charles in place of Lynch? Why is Toby Gerhart the only 5th round RB possibility, and not Frank Gore?

The fact is that nobody in this hobby can predict individual player performances with any sort of great accuracy. It is about playing the odds and being prepared to make changes if necessary. Drafting Manning a near lock top 3 QB, with a very good shot at QB1. Drafting a RB in round 1 is a much riskier proposition. There is value in that guarantee of elite production.

 

[Cyclones]

You are getting way offtrack from my earlier post. I said how after 2 weeks can you conclude that Manning should be a first round pick? You can't last year you could because he was miles ahead of everyone. You also forget to mention Rodgers, who is only a few points behind, Luck, who will probably be ahead of him after tonight, and Foles who might be ahead of him. I think all 3 of those guys can keep up with him.

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

Luck needs 28 points tonight to tie Manning after week 2 in my league - a number he exceeded in 3 of 16 games last season. Good luck with those odds.

A couple points and then I am done arguing with the slow crowd.

Manning has had plenty of 13 point games in his career go look it up.

In what scoring system does Luck need 28 points to tie Manning

Luck 370 yards passing 2 passing touchdowns 2 ints 19 yards rushing and 1 rushing touchdown = 28.7 standard scoring 4 point passing tds -1 int

Manning 511 passing yards 6 passing touchdowns 0 ints -4 yards rushing = 44.04

Alright, I will call a truce because you are right, we are off track.

Manning has 61 fantasy points in my league after yesterday (all TD are 6 points, 1 pt per 20 passing, 1 pt per 10 rush/receive.)

Luck had 33 points in my league in week 1. 61-33 is 28.

 

[Leonidas]

Most leagues/standard leagues/'default' scoring is not 6 point passing TD's, and probably isn't 1 pt per 20 passing yards either. If that's the scoring you are going by it needs to be stipulated up front. Just sayin'

 

[TheFanatic]

Luck putting up big numbers against the Iggles is not really that crazy...

 

[Cyclones]

Most leagues/standard leagues/'default' scoring is not 6 point passing TD's, and probably isn't 1 pt per 20 passing yards either. If that's the scoring you are going by it needs to be stipulated up front. Just sayin'

I think 4 point passing TDs are stupid, I've been in one league in 15 years with 4 point TDs, and I just joined that one this year.

That being said, I realize the difference and will revise my original post to say "in leagues with 6 pt passing TDs Manning should be the first pick."

 

[lod01]

Most leagues/standard leagues/'default' scoring is not 6 point passing TD's, and probably isn't 1 pt per 20 passing yards either. If that's the scoring you are going by it needs to be stipulated up front. Just sayin'

I think 4 point passing TDs are stupid, I've been in one league in 15 years with 4 point TDs, and I just joined that one this year.

What I find most stupid about it is that it devalues the most important player on every NFL team. QB TDs should be 6 and QBs should be the most valuable piece of any FF team.

 

[blake]

I've learned, partly through this thread alone, to completely disregard certain posters' opinions. This does apply to fantasy football in that it is a valuable time saving tactic to get to actual helpful analysis.

 

[tandl71]

That "professional" fantasy football prognosticators base their player assessments/rankings on last week's stats, on a weekly basis.

 

[Pots]

I've learned, partly through this thread alone, to completely disregard certain posters' opinions. This does apply to fantasy football in that it is a valuable time saving tactic to get to actual helpful analysis.

The Shark Pool and FFA have been much more enjoyable after I learned about the ignore feature.

 

[Faust]

NFL Nation: 2014 Week 2 NFL Film Study AFC

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/2014-week-2-nfl-film-study-afc

 

[Faust]

NFL Nation: 2014 Week 2 NFL Film Study NFC

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/2014-week-2-nfl-film-study-nfc

 

[Faust]

This should have been posted in the week 1 thread, but better late than never:

How Good Are They?

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/11/nfl-analytics-brandin-cooks-kelvin-benjamin-allen-hurns-isaiah-crowell/

 

[Faust]

The Week in Overreactions: Let's pump the brakes on Kirk Cousins

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24711055/the-week-in-overreactions-lets-pump-the-brakes-on-kirk-cousins

 

[VikingFrog]

There may be enough touches and talent for both Eagles running backs to put up RB1 numbers.

 

[Warpig]

I am finally learning to not listen to anything coming out of a coaches mouth or anything posted on Rotoworld. Everything is a total crapshoot and it is better to be lucky than good/informed in fantasy football.

 

[Faust]

Greg Cosell's Week 2 analysis: The good and bad of Colin Kaepernick

 

[Faust]

Will NFL's ugly month change player evaluation across league?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000397136/article/will-nfls-ugly-month-change-player-evaluation-across-league

Excerpts:

Matthew Stafford's struggles. The Detroit Lions seemed to take step after step forward two Mondays ago ... and then reverted almost completely in Charlotte this past Sunday. This stat line said everything: At the half, Detroit had 197 yards and zero points. By game's end, the Lions wound up with 323 and seven in those departments. The larger point stood, in that this looked like the old Detroit teams that flashed enviable talent but never quite got to the point where the total was equal to the sum of the parts. Stafford is at the center of this dichotomy. He was terrific against the Giants, and frustrating to watch against the Panthers. Jim Caldwell and offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi have preached high-percentage passing to Stafford, telling him to take completions where he can get them. So it was that Stafford's one big misstep on Sunday was a shot downfield to a covered Calvin Johnson that was picked off. One of Stafford's veteran linemen, Rob Sims, told me he can see a burgeoning comfort level between Lombardi and Stafford. But it might have been a bad idea to take one solid week as a sign that all the inconsistent tendencies of a player, or a whole team, were gone completely.

Dallas Cowboys' plan working. How many people predicted the Dallas defense would be flirting with a top-10 ranking in total D through two weeks? The zero people out there can put their hands down now. Rod Marinelli has spun some magic, to be sure, in squeezing what he has out of an injury-riddled group that was patched together amid a salary-cap purge. But the Cowboys privately believe this is, as much as anything, about their identity now flowing through an offensive line that they invested a ton of capital in. With first-round picks from three of the last four drafts dotting the front -- and one of those players (Tyron Smith) having already earned a monster second contract -- the Cowboys have the league's second-most prolific running game and are averaging a gaudy 5.3 yards per carry. That, of course, is fantastic for Tony Romo, coming off of back surgery. But it also works to protect a defense that is still adjusting to new personnel and the losses of Sean Lee and DeMarcus Ware. How? Well, the 72:35-47:25 edge that the Cowboys have compiled in time of possession through two games is one way.

Buffalo Bills getting what they need from EJ Manuel. As a personnel man, Bills GM Doug Whaley's standard for a franchise quarterback was set in his Steeler years by Ben Roethlisberger. And coming into this year, he was looking for some Big Ben from Manuel, but maybe not in the way you'd think. When I asked the GM back in camp what he wanted from his second-year signal-caller, he said he was looking for him to "distribute. ... I lean on what it was like when I was with Pittsburgh. That's what happened with Ben Roethlisberger. His first year, if you look at his stats, I think we threw over 22 times maybe twice, but we had a strong running game and we had a good defense. And that's what we got here." Thus far, Manuel has completed 66.7 percent of his passes with a QB rating topping 95. He's averaging less than 200 yards per game, and that's just fine, because he's done enough to let C.J. Spiller and Fred Jackson do their thing out of the backfield (4.5 yards per carry each), and set up receivers Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods to blossom. For the sake of the comparison, Roethlisberger only cracked 300 yards once -- in a Week 13 loss to the Bengals -- during his second season. And the Steelers won it all.

 

[whiskey7]

That fantasy football is 100% luck. I don't care

how good your draft was. The team that wins your league could have Mark Ingram and Terrance West as their starting RBs.

I'll say 90% luck. Maybe 95. Kinda like poker. Get enough good luck and a monkey can win.

You don't understand poker.

Anyone who thinks fantasy football is 95% luck does not have a lot of credibility. Anyone who thinks poker is 95% luck has zero credibility.

This

 

[whiskey7]

- Arian Foster is probably going to be a top 5 RB and was way undervalued in most drafts

- Rodgers will have to sling the ball around all year because the GB defense is a mess (bump Cobb/Nelson, drop Lacy)

- Peyton Manning should have been the #1 pick in most formats

- Jimmy Graham was worth a first rounder

- Reggie Bush is about done

- Mike Wallace is the only thing going on in the Miami passing game and could end up as a top 15 WR

- Carson Palmer is still pretty good

I agree with Foster as long as the wheels don't fall off

Agree with Rodgers and love it as a Cobb owner

Disagree with this, basing it just off 2 weeks he should be a 7th round pick he is 4th in quarterback scoring right now and after tonight could be 6th. I am not saying he shouldn't be the first quarterback taken, and won't be the top guy at the end of the year, but right now that isn't the case.

Agree with Graham

Disagree with Bush, they played a good defense and if Bell keeps fumbling he will be getting even more touches

Agree with Wallace but Clay could have a chance

Agree with Palmer

In every league I'm in he is either T1 or 2nd.

Not sure what weird scoring you have, but in standard scoring he is behind Stafford, Ryan and Cutler. Luck could pass him with an 18 point game tonight and Foles could pass him with 27 point performance.

#1 in mine too

Mine too, but the point taken here is that there is no greater lock for ~35 fantasy points every week than Manning.

I will look into our scoring and see if something is wrong, but he still isn't worth a 1st round pick this year when you can get the same scoring from a handful of other guys by waiting

Sure you COULD get the same production from a later round QB. You could also end up with a guy not good enough to even start for you (see Romo, Big Ben, RGIII, etc.). Check out the thread with a bunch of guys talking about who they are starting Jake freaking Locker over for an example. Part of the value of Peyton is the near certainty you have that he is a top 2-3 QB in the league. By taking Peyton you are practically guaranteeing yourself an advantage over every other team in the league at a position. Same principle applies to Graham as well. That is absolutely worth a 1st round pick in just about any format.

That is a horrible argument, because it works both ways. You take Peyton in the first round and then in round 5 you took Gerhart. My team took Marshawn Lynch in round 1 and Luck in round 5. Not only is Luck keeping up with Peyton but Lynch has lapped Gerhart. It is a bad argument

Take the advice in your "interests" section and learn more about fantasy football. Andrew Luck will not be in the same area code as Manning as the year plays out, and if you think isolating picks in 2 rounds is a good way to gauge value, you need to start over and rethink things.

If you think Manning in the first round is a good value when there are QBs that can be had several rounds later who are currently out scoring him and have a chance to maintain that (or at least come close) over the course of the season, it's YOU who does not understand value and needs to rethink things.

 

[oswizzle]

Manning is going to show why he is the man against Seattle

Didn't the Ravens toss his ### up during the Playoffs when they went on to win the superbowl

Then the following season....Last year... didn't he toss like 7 TD's against them?

Rivers exposed Sherman ... except Peyton to destroy his fake ego tomorrow and seal the deal as Numero Uno QB round 1 value

 

[whiskey7]

Most leagues/standard leagues/'default' scoring is not 6 point passing TD's, and probably isn't 1 pt per 20 passing yards either. If that's the scoring you are going by it needs to be stipulated up front. Just sayin'

I think 4 point passing TDs are stupid, I've been in one league in 15 years with 4 point TDs, and I just joined that one this year.

What I find most stupid about it is that it devalues the most important player on every NFL team. QB TDs should be 6 and QBs should be the most valuable piece of any FF team.

Even at 4pts, QBs are the highest scoring players most of the time. At 6 pts, they are skewed far too high, IMO.

 

[whiskey7]

Manning is going to show why he is the man against Seattle

Didn't the Ravens toss his ### up during the Playoffs when they went on to win the superbowl

Then the following season....Last year... didn't he toss like 7 TD's against them?

Rivers exposed Sherman ... except Peyton to destroy his fake ego tomorrow and seal the deal as Numero Uno QB round 1 value

 

[Chaka]

I learned that too many people still play in leagues that devalue the most important player (offense or defense) on the field for every NFL team and so drastically overvalue one of the least important players.

More people need to adopt the super-flex and give QBs the value they deserve.

 

[massraider]

If you think Manning in the first round is a good value when there are QBs that can be had several rounds later who are currently out scoring him and have a chance to maintain that (or at least come close) over the course of the season, it's YOU who does not understand value and needs to rethink things.

Jimmy Graham in a standard league is being outscored by Gates.

Sproles is outscoring McCoy.

Julian Edelman is outscoring Dez Bryant.

Assuming health, does anyone doubt that Manning will be a top 3 QB this year? I don't, and I don't doubt his numbers will roar past Luck's. Luck's coach is determined to run the ball 50 times a game up the gut. A top 3 QB is worth a 1st rounder, especially when several consensus 1st rounders will flop.

If CJ Spiller outscores McCoy, it doesn't mean McCoy wasn't worth a 1st round pick, it just means Spiller was a value.

Cherry-picking players from other rounds is never proof of anything. You need to look at ALL positions.

If you apply these rules across positions, only Jimmy Graham is worth a 1st round pick.

 

[whiskey7]

If you think Manning in the first round is a good value when there are QBs that can be had several rounds later who are currently out scoring him and have a chance to maintain that (or at least come close) over the course of the season, it's YOU who does not understand value and needs to rethink things.

Jimmy Graham in a standard league is being outscored by Gates.

Sproles is outscoring McCoy.

Julian Edelman is outscoring Dez Bryant.

Assuming health, does anyone doubt that Manning will be a top 3 QB this year? I don't, and I don't doubt his numbers will roar past Luck's. Luck's coach is determined to run the ball 50 times a game up the gut. A top 3 QB is worth a 1st rounder, especially when several consensus 1st rounders will flop.

If CJ Spiller outscores McCoy, it doesn't mean McCoy wasn't worth a 1st round pick, it just means Spiller was a value.

Cherry-picking players from other rounds is never proof of anything. You need to look at ALL positions.

If you apply these rules across positions, only Jimmy Graham is worth a 1st round pick.

First, drawing any season conclusions after 2 games is foolish. Too soon. So much of what has been said in this thread is foolish and not worth arguing over.Second, I don't pass on Peyton Manning in the first round because I doubt he'll be a top 3 QB by season's end. I pass on him in the first because there are QBs that can be had significantly later in the draft that have a legit chance to outscore Manning or (more likely) score close enough to Manning that I want that value over paying the premium price for Manning. I don't take a guy like Cutler late because I think he'll outscore Manning necessarily. I take him because I think I can get production close to (if not at) the level of the elite QBs that are drafted far ahead of him. I will use my 1st pick on an elite WR or RB that gives me more of an advantage over my oponent's WR or RB that he took in round 2 or 3 because he used his first pick on Manning or Brees, Rodgers, etc.

Truthfully, all this debate is kinda pointless, anyways. There is no strategy guaranteed to succeed nor fail. You can win or lose from any draft position whether you go QB early or late. Comes down to having the right players and managing them intelligently.

 

[Leonidas]

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

We'll get a pretty good apples to apples comparison next Sunday when DEN goes to SEA

I'm bumping this in hopes that it jinxs me.

Right now Cyclones is wrong, as Manning has 11.82 points in many scoring formats (1/25 PYD, 4 pt PATD) and there is but 0:59 on the clock

 

[shadyridr]

Based on what? What has Nick Foles showed you in a handful of career starts that tells you he is Peyton Manning? It's about consistency. No other QB will offer you anywhere near what Manning does week in and week out. Rodgers, if both his WR stay healthy, and Brees are the exceptions, but those guys weren't to be had in round 5, or 4 or even 3.

Rodgers had 13 points in week 1. Manning will NEVER do that.

We'll get a pretty good apples to apples comparison next Sunday when DEN goes to SEA

I'm bumping this in hopes that it jinxs me.Right now Cyclones is wrong, as Manning has 11.82 points in many scoring formats (1/25 PYD, 4 pt PATD) and there is but 0:59 on the clock

lol