Downontheupside
Footballguy
I know he's in New England, but the Browns offense seems to be for real this year. They'll probably fall behind and have to throw a lot, so is 240 yards and 2 TDs a long shot or probable?
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What do we all think of Derek Anderson's chances (1 Viewer)
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The Pats showed their ability to run clock and grind yards last week...if/when it is needed. This could become an ugly game of keep away early on in the afternoon and the Browns might have a very difficult time getting into any sort of rhythm on offense...multiple 3 and outs. That situation is compounded by the fact that the Browns could be playing from a signifcant deficit by the 3rd Quarter...dumping the run and allowing the Pats to turn their defense loose. I find Anderson a long shot to produce those types of numbers. Conversely, I never thought the Cardinal could possibly beat USC this weekend but...it happens. However, I think Anderson is more Anderson than O. Graham tomorrow afternoon.
twitch
Footballguy
Id say the chances of those kind of #s are actually better than 50/50. He's been consistently putting up #s, and NE has been consistently letting teams score around 14pts every week. And I dont think theyve given up any rushing TDs yet, so if the Browns are going to score, its far more likely that theyll do it thru the air. Pennington and Rivers each had 2 TDs, and neither have the combo that Cleveland has with Edwards and Winslow.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
As a homer, I believe one aspect of Anderson's recent successes that has been completely ignored is the stellar returns game of Josh Cribbs. It's a whole lot easier scoring when you are winning the field position game; I do see Cribbs helping out again and cutting the field in half, making it easier for Anderson to put up decent numbers in this game.
200 yards, 2TD, 1 INT is my prediction for the day.
200 yards, 2TD, 1 INT is my prediction for the day.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
Most of Andersons damage comes on deep throws....there will be no time for that vs. NE
eom
Footballguy
wait....wtf did you just say??rivers throwing to gates isn't on the level of anderson throwing to winslow??I think if buffalo could score a td, anderson could, too.outside of that I wouldn't get your hopes up, anderson owners....although, rodney didn't play against buffalo.....
pollardsvision
Footballguy
it may be quite ugly, but i'd certainly start him in a league that didn't have a penalty for INTs.
i could see the 240/2 game from him being possible, but i'd say more like 280 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs (with the possiblity for more yardage if he has to drop back 50 times)
i could see the 240/2 game from him being possible, but i'd say more like 280 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs (with the possiblity for more yardage if he has to drop back 50 times)
twitch
Footballguy
Im not saying Winslow is better than Gates. Im saying the combo of Edwards and Winslow is a tough 2 man cover for anyone. Edwards has size and speed, and he'll command a consistent double team, which is what NE will probably do with him most of the day. Theyll look to take him out of the game as much as possible. But Winslow will be a tough matchup as well. Gates doesnt have a compliment like Edwards. Im not going to realistically comare any receiver SD has to him. So, imo, I think the #s can be done. But I didnt mention the INT #s for Anderson because it wasnt really brought up. I think he also has a better than 50/50 chance of throwing 2 or 3 picks and probably losing a fumble. As well as he's done, he hasnt faced NE's D yet. Harrison will be shaking off a little rust, so you never know exactly how he's going to play coming back not yet up to full speed. I suspsect he'll do fine, but there's still the possibility of him giving up a big play while he's out there. But the NE homer in me thinks the Pats will again win by 20plus. I just see Anderson having a fair shot at putting up some decent fantasy #s....as long as turnovers dont factor into the scoring.
eom
Footballguy
I will consult nfl.com
pennington = 16/21 - 167 yds - 2 td - 0 int - knocked out!
clemens = 5/10 - 35 yds - 0 td - 0 int
total = 21/31 - 202 yds - 2 td - 0 int - sacked 5x
top = 27 min
rivers = 19/30 - 179 yds - 2 td - 2 int - sacked 3x
top = 24 min
loseman = 1/1 for 4 yds and knocked out!
edwards = 10/20 - 97 yds - 0 td - 1 int
only a couple sacks against
top = 26 min (rounded up...)
the mighty carson palmer playing from down in the hole:
21/35 - 234 - 1 td - 2 int - but only 1 sack against
top = 22.5 min
and these are all sans rodney.
good luck derek anderson.....
pennington = 16/21 - 167 yds - 2 td - 0 int - knocked out!
clemens = 5/10 - 35 yds - 0 td - 0 int
total = 21/31 - 202 yds - 2 td - 0 int - sacked 5x
top = 27 min
rivers = 19/30 - 179 yds - 2 td - 2 int - sacked 3x
top = 24 min
loseman = 1/1 for 4 yds and knocked out!
edwards = 10/20 - 97 yds - 0 td - 1 int
only a couple sacks against
top = 26 min (rounded up...)
the mighty carson palmer playing from down in the hole:
21/35 - 234 - 1 td - 2 int - but only 1 sack against
top = 22.5 min
and these are all sans rodney.
good luck derek anderson.....
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Can I ask you how many sacks Derek Anderson and the Browns line gave up the past three weeks? Specifically last week against the Ravens?
Feel free to consult NFL.com.
And juiceless Rodney will mean nothing but a cheap shot or two for at least a couple of games.
Feel free to consult NFL.com.
And juiceless Rodney will mean nothing but a cheap shot or two for at least a couple of games.
twitch
Footballguy
Of the teams NE has faced so far this season, the QB who's been the most succesful to this point has been Palmer (on the season, not specifically the game). He's thrown for over 1100 yds with 10TDs. Anderson has close to 1000 with 9 scores. The Jets, Buffalo and SD have not been clicking, so Ill leave them alone. The Browns have been clicking for the past 3 weeks. The passing attack could be most closely compared to the Bengals. But the reason I like what the Browns can do a little more is again because they have TWO pretty serious playmakers that both average over 18yds a catch. Edwards is @ 20.8 and Winslow is @ 18.4. The Bengals by comparison only had one receiver who posed a serious downfield threat in Johnson. people can say what they want about Houshmanzadah, and whether he's playing hurt I dont know, but he's averaging less than 10yds a catch. Sure he caught 10 balls against the Pats, but he only had 100yds. They had a rookie on him (Merriweather) much of the night in single coverage. From a WR, that's just not threatening a D. When you have a one downfield guy to worry about, any good D can gameplan for that. When there are 2 such guys, thats when it becomes a problem. I still think NE will handle them, but Im giving the Browns full respect with the way these guys are playing.
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eom
Footballguy
I'm still trying to figure out your point.I just posted the awful results of the qb's going up against the pats, where the pats only notched 2 sacks v buf, and 1 v cincy, and your reply is, 'well, they won't be sacking derek anderson....!'what's your point, exactly?or, do you really just have no hope at all, and that's all you came up with?
eom
Footballguy
I'm a little curious --- when you guys pull out all these stats, do you fold the cincy game in there?
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
"I'm still trying to figure out your point."
The point is you predicted 5 sacks on Anderson today. And the Browns gave up one in the past three weeks. BTW, someone said something about Tom Brady's hair on the ESPN boards. I believe you're needed over there.
The point is you predicted 5 sacks on Anderson today. And the Browns gave up one in the past three weeks. BTW, someone said something about Tom Brady's hair on the ESPN boards. I believe you're needed over there.
twitch
Footballguy
as far as those Cinci #s over 'weighing' the sum? Well, noone can help that he did so well during that one week. So of course those #s are a little skewed. But nevertheless, theyre still a part of his #s. But just to simplify, if he can put up 5 TDs against a weak D, Id give him a fair shot at 200 and a couple of scores against one of the better ones. But I will say of the 2 Ds Cleveland has faced the past 2 games, Baltimore and Oakland do have some of the better cover corners in the game. Whether or not those Ds are on the same level with New England is kindof pointless, but their cover guys are strong. So Im not going to hammer Anderson for not putting up Bengals game type #s against those 2 secondaries, which imo are 2 of the better D backfields in the game.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
My bad, eom. It was HK that predicted 5 sacks.
Open mouth, insert foot.
Open mouth, insert foot.
eom
Footballguy
ok, at this point I think you're having a conversation w/someone inside your own head.this is just getting nutty --- I guess I can at least understand when san diego fans are chirping, but 2 wins and the cleveland fans are already piping up???you might just see quinn today.......
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Check post #18.
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H.K.
Footballguy
2 Int's down, one to go.Sacks should start coming in droves now that NE knows they'll pass every play.
thehornet
Footballguy
wow dude your an effing genius...you predicted a terrible QB to have a terrible game against the best team in football. Congrats...Go Pat yourself on the back somwhere else.
bizkliz
Footballguy
i actually give H.K. props for his call.there were alot of people high on anderson and the brown stains this week, knowing that NE would most likely be up big thus forcing cleveland to air it out.granted, so far its been one half, but H.K. has been spot on.-biz-
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