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What Do You All Do About Dietary Restrictions, Hosting Parties, And The Holidays - Now With Kugel (1 Viewer)

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I don't know. I'm having this argument right now. It's about dairy, of all things. Do you guys just go ahead and put milk in the mashed potatoes and leave somebody out, or do you make a separate vegan dish sans dairy, culled from a website, lovingly crafted for the vegans in your life?  

This is kind of like the Prime Rib Supper thread in reverse. 

Keerist.  

 
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If someone is coming over and eating your food  (some of it at least) and they can’t eat what you’re serving, it’s on them.  Majority rules IMO.

 
Osaurus said:
If someone is coming over and eating your food  (some of it at least) and they can’t eat what you’re serving, it’s on them.  Majority rules IMO.
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I appreciate your response, but this does not seem to be standard opinion among the guests, however. What if dairy causes actual, physical pain. At what lengths do we go to accommodate? 

And is it a badge of honor to have enough vegan friends to have a vegan dish separately and lovingly created? 

I understand vegetarianism and veganism, actually. I'm not trying to be a grump. I'm wondering the same thing you are: At what point does the purely private accommodation stop?   

 
AcerFC said:
All seriousness. You make the dish the way you want. They can pass. 
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That's how I always assumed it should be, but it seems like accommodation has taken on new meaning. It used to be the ability to be served; now it's the ability to be served whatever you want.  

 
As a host I would do my best to have some options for my guests with dietary restrictions but not every dish will likely fit everyone's diet.

 
Ignoramus said:
As a host I would do my best to have some options for my guests with dietary restrictions but not every dish will likely fit everyone's diet.
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Nice. Good sentiment. By the way, we're trying to do this without pointing any of this out to the guests. They're all weird about even prescribed Western medication and other stuff but that's an issue I'd rather avoid on the Holidays. 

 
rockaction said:
I don't know. I'm having this argument right now. It's about dairy, of all things. Do you guys just go ahead and put milk in the mashed potatoes and leave somebody out, or do you make a separate vegan dish sans dairy, culled from a website, lovingly crafted for the vegans in your life?  

This is kind of like the Prime Rib Supper thread in reverse. 

Keerist.  
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I always try to be a good host. If i have guests that have dietary restrictions, i make some dishes that i know they can eat and not go hungry. With mashed potatoes, id use veggie stock and nutritional yeast for a small batch, and then do traditional pommes puree with tons of milk and butter for everyone else. Just do your best to be a good host and not win an argument and enjoy your holidays.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
I always try to be a good host. If i have guests that have dietary restrictions, i make some dishes that i know they can eat and not go hungry. With mashed potatoes, id use veggie stock and nutritional yeast for a small batch, and then do traditional pommes puree with tons of milk and butter for everyone else. Just do your best to be a good host and not win an argument and enjoy your holidays.
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Nice. You've already cut the potatoes anyway, right? But what if you want to make a traditional dish in lieu of mashed (like in my instance, a kugel) and you know it's going to be the centerpiece of your meal, but some people can't eat it. 

That possibly throws a different dynamic into it, right?

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I've always made one dish (not at Christmas time, usually just parties) that is veggie only for those folks, but not more than that. I figure they can have that, and the veggie plate, chips, hummus etc. There is always enough. 

I have never had anything more than big thank yous for taking the time to make a separate dish. However, I don't think I would take the effort and time to make sure it's vegan. You just gotta eat the carrot sticks then bro. 

 
rockaction said:
Nice. You've already cut the potatoes anyway, right? But what if you want to make a traditional dish in lieu of mashed (like in my instance, a kegul) and you know it's going to be the centerpiece of your meal, but some people can't eat it. 

That possibly throws a different dynamic into it, right?  
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Whats a kegul? 

 
ProstheticRGK said:
Whats a kegul? 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugel

I think it got changed in auto-correct. It's kugel, pronounced, 'coo-gle. It's a potato pudding, apparently, according to Wiki. Kugel (קוגל kugl, pronounced IPA: [ˈkʊɡl̩]) is a baked pudding or casserole, most commonly made from egg noodles (Lokshen kugel) or potato. It is a traditional Ashkenazi Jewish dish, often served on Shabbat and Yom Tov.[1]

The name of the dish comes from the Middle High German kugel meaning "sphere, globe, ball"; thus the Yiddish name likely originated as a reference to the round, puffed-up shape of the original dishes (compare to German Gugelhupf—a type of ring-shaped cake). Nowadays, however, kugels are often baked in square pans.

While Litvaks (Jews from Lithuania, northern Poland and northern Russia) call the pudding "kugel," Galitzianers (Jews from southeastern Poland and the western Ukraine) call it "kigel." [2]

 
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proninja said:
Make your centerpiece. It's your thing. You do you, and you do it however you want. 

However, I would do my best to make sure that any guest had plenty of food to eat and didn't just have to eat the veggie tray for dinner. It'd just be something different than my centerpiece. 

My wife's recent allergy test and my nursing son's constant screaming when she eats some common foods has us on the other end of this right now. We always make sure that she's already eaten or that we've got some food for her so we don't impose. 

General rule is to be more considerate of others than you are yourself. If they're your guests? Make sure they're comfortable. If they're your hosts? Make sure you don't make them uncomfortable. 
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Yeah, I understand your posting. I'm more worried about somebody else making the dish, to be frank. I tend to agree with you. I'm not cooking a kugel. I'm home for the holidays and just imagining the wrangling that's going on behind the scenes.

Her: "Oh, let's have the Christmas kugel, anyway."

But I think there are other accommodating dishes. I'm staying with the host, so I'm hearing about it.  

 
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Ignoramus said:
As a host I would do my best to have some options for my guests with dietary restrictions but not every dish will likely fit everyone's diet.
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Pretty much this. Also it depends on the cause of the issue. Personal choice without allergies or what I'd find legit (yes, I'm passing judgment if I'm cooking) there's a greater likelihood I won't change anything. True issue like they'll go into a coma if I serve a peanut dish, I'll cater to their needs. A well established vegetarian will warrant me ensuring they have enough to eat, but there's still going to be meat on the table. Probably wouldn't do a pig roast though.

 
Is a roasted vegetable dish with pasta acceptable?  Includes garlic, proteins, and what you'd find at a good vegan place.  This is essentially Middletown, CT, we're talking about here. 

 
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rockaction said:
That's how I always assumed it should be, but it seems like accommodation has taken on new meaning. It used to be the ability to be served; now it's the ability to be served whatever you want.  
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Tell the vegans and etc that if they have special dietary needs to bring their own special foods. I mean are you responsible to supply the diabeetus their insulin injections also?

 
Try a little vanilla soy milk in the taters and make everyone happy. It's ok to show people that you care about them around the holidays.

 
rockaction said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugel

I think it got changed in auto-correct. It's kugel, pronounced, 'coo-gle. It's a potato pudding, apparently, according to Wiki. Kugel (קוגל kugl, pronounced IPA: [ˈkʊɡl̩]) is a baked pudding or casserole, most commonly made from egg noodles (Lokshen kugel) or potato. It is a traditional Ashkenazi Jewish dish, often served on Shabbat and Yom Tov.[1]

The name of the dish comes from the Middle High German kugel meaning "sphere, globe, ball"; thus the Yiddish name likely originated as a reference to the round, puffed-up shape of the original dishes (compare to German Gugelhupf—a type of ring-shaped cake). Nowadays, however, kugels are often baked in square pans.

While Litvaks (Jews from Lithuania, northern Poland and northern Russia) call the pudding "kugel," Galitzianers (Jews from southeastern Poland and the western Ukraine) call it "kigel." [2]
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Oh, ive had noodle kugel before, but never potato. I guess it has eggs in it. If that was a tradition, or a centerpiece- yeah, id still do it and make something else for vegans. The pasta dish sounds perfect. 

 
gianmarco said:
Make a dish where the ingredient list is short and simple. Like your thread titles.
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What if the dish was salt, eggs, cream, butter, souffle! Then what...huh...huh  :pokey:

That said, thought about it...will change thread title.  

Kizer Sobad was one of the best jokes I've seen on this board, BTW.  Concision in writing and clarity of thought are never far apart.  

 
The Dreaded Marco said:
I know you’re not a fan of the school but my daughter visited campus and participated in a soccer ID camp there—she loved it. ?
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Bolded: Heh. Italicized: Ah, I believe it.

I am a conflicted fan of the school, actually. It runs antithetical to many things I believe in, but some of the greatest stuff comes out of there, including three or four of my former best acquaintances, including some of my favorite law professors that support the school financially and have helped me out personally in numerous ways. 

I've seen the catacombs in private, off-the-cuff generous tours from people that live on campus. It's a little pocket of anarchy in CT that I can respect. Of course, when anarchy supersedes all decency, one must balk.  Like the molotov cocktails of '89 about faculty diversity hiring. That was bad. No need for firebombing.  

 
rockaction said:
What if the dish was salt, eggs, cream, butter, souffle! Then what...huh...huh  :pokey:

That said, thought about it...will change thread title.  

Kizer Sobad was one of the best jokes I've seen on this board, BTW.  Concision in writing and clarity of thought are never far apart.  
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As a Josh Gordon owner, I wish the joke was Kizer So-so, but alas, it is not.

 
Wife and father-in-law are both gluten intolerant(messes with their digestion), so we make dishes sans gluten, and it's not a hassle. For your situation, I'd suggest coconut milk.

 
You guys are CLOSE, but way off. 

First, I see nothing about attractive hired help. 

Second, to make sure that said help is well versed in Kegel (the exercises, not the dish).

 
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In all seriousness, there are a number of variables (how many people coming over and therefore how many dishes being made, how well do you know your guests etc). 

Assuming it's a large enough group and you dont know specific requirements (i.e. If a good friend / couple you know and often spend time with are veggies or kosher-ish or whatever), it's safe and probably appropriate to make sure there are a couple options that work for near everyone within reason - so salad and most veggie dishes work for vegans, cheese plates and veggies of all sorts for veggies, but also can work within the context of the overall choices throughout the pre meal and meal offerings.

If in having more than 8-10 people and don't know preferences I'll usually make sure there's at least a couple veggie options and usually it's simple enough to make at least one vegan friendly. But if the way I generally make mashed potatoes is with milk, unless I know there are multiple vegans/lactose intolerant folks I'd just make it the way I usually do. But again, there would still be options for those with restrictions if I planned it well. 

 
Kal El said:
Want to know if someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you.
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As you'll soon learn, it's the perfect body fuel for crossfit excellence!   While you are at it, set the room's aura to be in tune with the universal energy with some essential oils.

 
As someone who has a daughter with tree nut alergies, we never expect to be accommodated. Sometimes hosts make a seperate dish for her, but not as a general rule and it certainly isn't on the, to do so. 

 
Koya said:
As you'll soon learn, it's the perfect body fuel for crossfit excellence!   While you are at it, set the room's aura to be in tune with the universal energy with some essential oils.
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If you're being sarcastic, crossfit excellence deserves a  :lmao: . 

If not, sorry for being a jerk.   

 
rockaction said:
If you're being sarcastic, crossfit excellence deserves a  :lmao: . 

If not, sorry for being a jerk.   
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Oh, if I weren't being sarcastic I'd deserve to be called a jerk. 

Actually, I probably deserve it anyway, but. It unrelared reasons. :banned:   

 
Koya said:
Also... the fact that you would think I might be serious kinda makes YOU the jerk. 
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I totally figured, but you never know in certain parts. We have guys that do crossfit in their garage right down the street from us. I admire their desire to be in shape, crack up over the cleaning and jerking*

*They, of course, leave the garage door wide open for everybody to see.  

 
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