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The negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
Great idea on these threads, btw.I don't trust raw players. They can be useful, but I think they're taken far too early in drafts. See Ted Ginn.
The risk is not worth the reward imo, high upside raw prospects are good later round picks, not round 1.What's his worth if he lands on a high flying offense with a great QB? I would say around 1.7 - 1.8.IMO, he's an ideal pick around 1.10-1.12. Good reward potential, risk, and he probably won't produce for a few years. Usually, the teams who own those picks unless they traded for them) have good teams currently and can afford some risk. I don't like that he'll probably go earlier.
Put him in Indianapolis and I'll draft him just after the big 3 RBs, Crabtree, Maclin, and maybe Greene/Brown. So 6-8 as a high.What's his worth if he lands on a high flying offense with a great QB? I would say around 1.7 - 1.8.IMO, he's an ideal pick around 1.10-1.12. Good reward potential, risk, and he probably won't produce for a few years. Usually, the teams who own those picks unless they traded for them) have good teams currently and can afford some risk. I don't like that he'll probably go earlier.
So you do NOT like the possibility of him running in the 4.2's?Darrius Heyward-Bey-WR-Player Feb. 19 - 1:04 am et Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey has reportedly been cracking the 4.2s during test runs at the Athletes' Performance Institute.Heyward-Bey ran 4.23 as a freshman in college. He's bigger than he was then, but the high 4.2s should be about right. DHB will draw a lot of attention this week. It will also be interesting to see how tall he actually is Thursday. Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
Maybe I was referring to "It will be interesting to see how tall he actually is"So you do NOT like the possibility of him running in the 4.2's?Darrius Heyward-Bey-WR-Player Feb. 19 - 1:04 am et Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey has reportedly been cracking the 4.2s during test runs at the Athletes' Performance Institute.Heyward-Bey ran 4.23 as a freshman in college. He's bigger than he was then, but the high 4.2s should be about right. DHB will draw a lot of attention this week. It will also be interesting to see how tall he actually is Thursday. Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune![]()

Does he have hands like Williamson? I don't see how anyone could have hands like him (Willie Gault was close).The time is now to make up your mind about DHB and stick to your guns when it comes draft time. There is absolutely no doubt that he is going to put up excellent numbers at the combine and the love for him on these boards will rise accordingly based on his measurables.My eyes tell me he is a bust waiting to happen and regardless of how his measurables stack up I'm not planning to touch him unless he falls quite a bit. Troy Williamson v2.0.
Chad Jackson v2.0 would be another good comparison for me. Below are some copied and pasted snippets I wrote about DHB back on 12/30/08 buried in EBF's top 12 Rookie Rankings thread.---------------------------So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level. ---------------------------------A team will fall in love with his size and speed and pick him much earlier than he really should (much like they did with Vernon Davis).I'll believe it when I see it, but during the game they reported that coaches have timed DHB in the high 4.2's in the 40. If that happens he could go top 10 which would be a colassel mistake.I actually fell into the VD trap in one of my leagues even though deep down my eyes told me something wasn't right with his game and have regretted it ever since....not going to fall into the DHB trap this time.Does he have hands like Williamson? I don't see how anyone could have hands like him (Willie Gault was close).The time is now to make up your mind about DHB and stick to your guns when it comes draft time. There is absolutely no doubt that he is going to put up excellent numbers at the combine and the love for him on these boards will rise accordingly based on his measurables.My eyes tell me he is a bust waiting to happen and regardless of how his measurables stack up I'm not planning to touch him unless he falls quite a bit. Troy Williamson v2.0.
That's some useful information that I will store away, thanks. What it does it make me want to dig deeper into DHB.Chad Jackson v2.0 would be another good comparison for me. Below are some copied and pasted snippets I wrote about DHB back on 12/30/08 buried in EBF's top 12 Rookie Rankings thread.---------------------------So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level. ---------------------------------A team will fall in love with his size and speed and pick him much earlier than he really should (much like they did with Vernon Davis).I'll believe it when I see it, but during the game they reported that coaches have timed DHB in the high 4.2's in the 40. If that happens he could go top 10 which would be a colassel mistake.I actually fell into the VD trap in one of my leagues even though deep down my eyes told me something wasn't right with his game and have regretted it ever since....not going to fall into the DHB trap this time.Does he have hands like Williamson? I don't see how anyone could have hands like him (Willie Gault was close).The time is now to make up your mind about DHB and stick to your guns when it comes draft time. There is absolutely no doubt that he is going to put up excellent numbers at the combine and the love for him on these boards will rise accordingly based on his measurables.My eyes tell me he is a bust waiting to happen and regardless of how his measurables stack up I'm not planning to touch him unless he falls quite a bit. Troy Williamson v2.0.
High risk / reward type of player. If I was a rebuilding team I would want someone safer, otherwise I might risk taking DHB. I want to know more about his hands. I may not have any interest in him come draft time.The Eddie Royal of last years draft? And Hoss I have that 1.7 pick now. So you know he will have to get thru me before you even can dream about it.![]()
I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.Chad Jackson v2.0 would be another good comparison for me. Below are some copied and pasted snippets I wrote about DHB back on 12/30/08 buried in EBF's top 12 Rookie Rankings thread.---------------------------So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level. ---------------------------------A team will fall in love with his size and speed and pick him much earlier than he really should (much like they did with Vernon Davis).I'll believe it when I see it, but during the game they reported that coaches have timed DHB in the high 4.2's in the 40. If that happens he could go top 10 which would be a colassel mistake.I actually fell into the VD trap in one of my leagues even though deep down my eyes told me something wasn't right with his game and have regretted it ever since....not going to fall into the DHB trap this time.Does he have hands like Williamson? I don't see how anyone could have hands like him (Willie Gault was close).The time is now to make up your mind about DHB and stick to your guns when it comes draft time. There is absolutely no doubt that he is going to put up excellent numbers at the combine and the love for him on these boards will rise accordingly based on his measurables.My eyes tell me he is a bust waiting to happen and regardless of how his measurables stack up I'm not planning to touch him unless he falls quite a bit. Troy Williamson v2.0.
I don't think former Troy Williamson owners would agree with you.I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.Chad Jackson v2.0 would be another good comparison for me. Below are some copied and pasted snippets I wrote about DHB back on 12/30/08 buried in EBF's top 12 Rookie Rankings thread.---------------------------Does he have hands like Williamson? I don't see how anyone could have hands like him (Willie Gault was close).The time is now to make up your mind about DHB and stick to your guns when it comes draft time. There is absolutely no doubt that he is going to put up excellent numbers at the combine and the love for him on these boards will rise accordingly based on his measurables.
My eyes tell me he is a bust waiting to happen and regardless of how his measurables stack up I'm not planning to touch him unless he falls quite a bit. Troy Williamson v2.0.
So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.
I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.
It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level.
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A team will fall in love with his size and speed and pick him much earlier than he really should (much like they did with Vernon Davis).
I'll believe it when I see it, but during the game they reported that coaches have timed DHB in the high 4.2's in the 40. If that happens he could go top 10 which would be a colassel mistake.
I actually fell into the VD trap in one of my leagues even though deep down my eyes told me something wasn't right with his game and have regretted it ever since....not going to fall into the DHB trap this time.
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with this more.RockHard said:I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.
Yep, in PPR he is now undraftable for me. It takes a lot of talent for an organization to make Randy Moss look bad.Drafted by the Raiders has to rank up there with the worst things that could happen to Heyward-Bey owners.
Troy Williamson was always open.Doesen't help when you cannot finish the job.Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with this more.I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.
True, but just because DHB catches the ball with his body sometimes doesn't make him T.O., and it doesn't make him Troy Williamson either. Both are extreme examples because there's so much more that goes into being a WR. Not only does Troy have awful hands, but he couldn't adjust to the ball either....pretty much a double whammy of things working against you being a WR. DHB may not have great hands but they're not bad, his speed translates to the field, and I can see him playing well at the NFL level. Hopefully he can develop in Oakland (this is the biggest thing working against him) because if he does you have to think him and Jamarcus will be hooking up for some bombs.Troy Williamson was always open.Doesen't help when you cannot finish the job.Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with this more.I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.
I read one pre-draft report that they quoted Bey as being the next Troy Williamson but with worst hands, if this doesn't scare the #### of of you I don't know what will.The negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
BoulderBob said:I like him, future pro-bowler. People will compare him to Williamson, but three years from now we will laugh at the criticism of this pick. I'm completely sold on the guy as a legit stud down the road, assuming he gets a decent QB.
veryDarrius Heyward-Bey-WR-Raiders May. 9 - 5:33 pm et Darius Heyward-Bey dropped three passes in a row at one point during practice Saturday.Cue Mel Kiper! We obviously wouldn't take this news too seriously, but every drop by DHB is going to get extra attention. (He got a scolding from Jeff Garcia) At least Heyward-Bey is running with the first team. Source: Oakland Tribune And so the legend begins....
The Troy Williamson, I mean DHB pass catching skills are put on display for everone to see.This guy will be out of the league in three yearsveryDarrius Heyward-Bey-WR-Raiders May. 9 - 5:33 pm et Darius Heyward-Bey dropped three passes in a row at one point during practice Saturday.Cue Mel Kiper! We obviously wouldn't take this news too seriously, but every drop by DHB is going to get extra attention. (He got a scolding from Jeff Garcia) At least Heyward-Bey is running with the first team. Source: Oakland Tribune And so the legend begins....The Troy Williamson, I mean DHB pass catching skills are put on display for everone to see.This guy will be out of the league in three years
I just bypassed him in a rookie draft. I think this situation has Williamson written all over it and it'll play out in a similar manner.not a good post . . .I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.Chad Jackson v2.0 would be another good comparison for me. Below are some copied and pasted snippets I wrote about DHB back on 12/30/08 buried in EBF's top 12 Rookie Rankings thread.---------------------------So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level. ---------------------------------A team will fall in love with his size and speed and pick him much earlier than he really should (much like they did with Vernon Davis).I'll believe it when I see it, but during the game they reported that coaches have timed DHB in the high 4.2's in the 40. If that happens he could go top 10 which would be a colassel mistake.I actually fell into the VD trap in one of my leagues even though deep down my eyes told me something wasn't right with his game and have regretted it ever since....not going to fall into the DHB trap this time.Does he have hands like Williamson? I don't see how anyone could have hands like him (Willie Gault was close).The time is now to make up your mind about DHB and stick to your guns when it comes draft time. There is absolutely no doubt that he is going to put up excellent numbers at the combine and the love for him on these boards will rise accordingly based on his measurables.My eyes tell me he is a bust waiting to happen and regardless of how his measurables stack up I'm not planning to touch him unless he falls quite a bit. Troy Williamson v2.0.
I like DHB.. a lot. From what I have seen he runs pretty good deep patterns and can make the turn around catch, the fade and he can come back to the QB if needed. He is a sick leaper too. I think he is going to be a very good player.wI was just responding to the idea that getting open is more important than catching the ball. Was talking about Troy Williamson not DHB.True, but just because DHB catches the ball with his body sometimes doesn't make him T.O., and it doesn't make him Troy Williamson either. Both are extreme examples because there's so much more that goes into being a WR. Not only does Troy have awful hands, but he couldn't adjust to the ball either....pretty much a double whammy of things working against you being a WR. DHB may not have great hands but they're not bad, his speed translates to the field, and I can see him playing well at the NFL level. Hopefully he can develop in Oakland (this is the biggest thing working against him) because if he does you have to think him and Jamarcus will be hooking up for some bombs.Troy Williamson was always open.Doesen't help when you cannot finish the job.Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with this more.I think that naturally catching the ball with your hands is overrated. I wouldnt say the TO, Bowe, or Marshall have good hands. IMO the most important skill a reciever needs is the ability to create seperation, something DHB does well.
Because when I hear 'DHB' I think of performance enhancing drugs. If anyone's name sounds like a performance enhancing drug, they're bound for trouble.I also avoid all players named richard - you know...The negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
That's very helpful, thanks.Because when I hear 'DHB' I think of performance enhancing drugs. If anyone's name sounds like a performance enhancing drug, they're bound for trouble.I also avoid all players named richard - you know...The negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
Well, I don't know too much about him as a player, except that if you want him to catch the ball, you need to drill it into his facemask so it sticks there. He's got horrible eye hand coordination, and runs sloppy routes. I am impressed he accomplished what he did in college, despite constant double coverage, but that it more a testimony to his otherworldly speed than having WR skills. I fully expect him to be a failure as a WR1, as he's more fit to be a WR3.So, since I figured everyone else would post that boring stuff, I'd just try to be funny. Sorry the joke didn't work for you...That's very helpful, thanks.Because when I hear 'DHB' I think of performance enhancing drugs. If anyone's name sounds like a performance enhancing drug, they're bound for trouble.I also avoid all players named richard - you know...The negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
UMMMM..... He Can't CatchThe negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
Neither can T.O. but it never kept him from being drafted in leagues.UMMMM..... He Can't CatchThe negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?
Charlie Casserly - NFLN3. Darrius Heyward Bey, Oak
Say what you want about the pick, but he needs to be ranked high because he will likely start from Day 1, and because he’s incredibly gifted in a vertical sense. He does have some bust potential, since he’s still a little raw, has a QB who is not ready for prime time throwing him the ball, and it’s the Raiders. But make no mistake: Our guys scouting him and breaking him down on film are pretty high on him. He was clearly the most explosive receiver in this draft coming off the ball in the first 5-10 yards; he looks like he’s shot out of cannon. He can also get into routes well, so he’s a better route runner than people are giving him credit for. His hands are pretty good, not great. His game is all about verticality, but that fits the Raiders well, and that’s why they took him. He will need all things to fit into place to be worthy for fantasy, but he will certainly start from Day 1, so he’s definitely worth a shot if you’re feeling frisky late in your draft and are looking for an upside receiver. For the long-term, again, we do like him a considerable amount. And while it is the Raiders, QB JaMarcus Russell(notes) does still have the potential to develop into an elite player – he has a rocket for an arm. link
What I don't like about him fantasy wise?- He's raw and should be a few years before he becomes consistent enough to start in a fantasy league. (Santonio Holmes comes to mind.)I watched 5 games of tape on Heyward-Bey and he didn't drop a single pass.
Actually I thought it was funny.switz said:Well, I don't know too much about him as a player, except that if you want him to catch the ball, you need to drill it into his facemask so it sticks there. He's got horrible eye hand coordination, and runs sloppy routes. I am impressed he accomplished what he did in college, despite constant double coverage, but that it more a testimony to his otherworldly speed than having WR skills. I fully expect him to be a failure as a WR1, as he's more fit to be a WR3.So, since I figured everyone else would post that boring stuff, I'd just try to be funny. Sorry the joke didn't work for you...Hoss_Cartwright said:That's very helpful, thanks.switz said:Because when I hear 'DHB' I think of performance enhancing drugs. If anyone's name sounds like a performance enhancing drug, they're bound for trouble.I also avoid all players named richard - you know...The negative thread about Heyward-Bey I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?