What do you not like about Player X threads (1 Viewer)

[Chachi]

These threads are really not necessary. I can understand if there was already numerous threads on Player X. There isn't to my knowledge a "Player X scouting thread" on any player and there sure as heck isn't a "What do you like about Player X" thread. Why did someone come up with the idea of posting 20 "What do you NOT like" threads for guys who don't have any threads on them to begin with. There are a couple exceptions of threads on players like a Wells vs. Moreno thread but still no specific threads on rookie prospects. Really when I came here tonight it looked like a giant spambomb hit FBG. If you want to discuss a player then fine, have Player X scouting reports, I'll contribute. Why spam 20 threads and say "Let's trash this guy, what negatives do you see" for players who have no threads to their credit to begin with.

 

[identikit]

These threads are really not necessary. I can understand if there was already numerous threads on Player X. There isn't to my knowledge a "Player X scouting thread" on any player and there sure as heck isn't a "What do you like about Player X" thread. Why did someone come up with the idea of posting 20 "What do you NOT like" threads for guys who don't have any threads on them to begin with. There are a couple exceptions of threads on players like a Wells vs. Moreno thread but still no specific threads on rookie prospects. Really when I came here tonight it looked like a giant spambomb hit FBG. If you want to discuss a player then fine, have Player X scouting reports, I'll contribute. Why spam 20 threads and say "Let's trash this guy, what negatives do you see" for players who have no threads to their credit to begin with.

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Chachi...

 

[Sinrman]

I find them kind of annoying. Like spam in the Shark Pool...

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

It's way too easy to love on a player, and harder to talk about the negatives. I find that I can be a lot more productive employee if I'm told what I can improve on rather than kissing my a--. I already know what's good about these rookies, so I can make a better judgement on them if I don't get caught up in the good, but also consider the bad. Some like these thread and some don't. It doesn't matter to me. Sorry you had to make a thread about this, but I thought you would like these threads since you're a glass half empty kind of guy.

 

[dirtyhalos]

we need one for pettigrew

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

we need one for pettigrew

You go ahead, I wouldn't want to be accused of spamming.

 

[MAC_32]

This thread and the ones made by Bri are a lot more annoying than Hoss' imo.

His serve a purpose. You don't have to like it...you also don't need to p.m.s. about it.

...and if this thread, like Bri's, is schtick,

 

[ScottyFargo]

There are a few too many of those threads, they should have been combined into positions or something less spammy.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

There are a few too many of those threads, they should have been combined into positions or something less spammy.

I'll keep that in mind for the future. Maybe something like "What do you NOT like about these high tier Rookie RBs?", and "What do you NOT like about these bottom tier Rookie RBs?", etc. etc. I wouldn't want to put all RBs into one thread, or all WRs in one.Having said that, to just have a thread on each player that includes both strengths and weaknesses defeats to point. We have enough threads in the Shark Pool where people drool over players. Hearing the negative is actually more beneficial to dynasty owners IMO.

 

[Go Pack]

I like the player threads, but agree that it would be more useful to include strenghts & weaknesses. Also where is the Crabtree thread? Is it not possible for somebody to not like something about him? Sorry if I missed it.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I like the player threads, but agree that it would be more useful to include strenghts & weaknesses. Also where is the Crabtree thread? Is it not possible for somebody to not like something about him? Sorry if I missed it.

I figured there was plenty said in the Crabtree 40 time thread about his negatives. I didn't want to be redundant. As far as including strengths, again, we always have enough threads on rookies that include love and kisses. What we really need from people is the truth about what's wrong with these players, in such a way that it doesn't get burried in all the drool for them.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's way too easy to love on a player, and harder to talk about the negatives. I find that I can be a lot more productive employee if I'm told what I can improve on rather than kissing my a--. I already know what's good about these rookies, so I can make a better judgement on them if I don't get caught up in the good, but also consider the bad. Some like these thread and some don't. It doesn't matter to me. Sorry you had to make a thread about this, but I thought you would like these threads since you're a glass half empty kind of guy.

I don't care either way or how you title your threads, but I think you would get alot of "negative feedback" on a plyer anyway. Its just ths nature of message boards. Opinions vary and there's alwasy some one who will disagree on player evaluations.

 

[Wadsworth]

I like the idea a lot. Maybe just start a couple a day next year. The threads don't bother me but starting so many at once was annoying. After all we have plenty of time to look at the rookies, there's no need ot rush.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I like the idea a lot. Maybe just start a couple a day next year. The threads don't bother me but starting so many at once was annoying. After all we have plenty of time to look at the rookies, there's no need ot rush.

Good idea. I will definitely remember what you said.

 

[puckalicious]

What's more spammy, a thread that has honest discussion about player X, or a thread that #####es and moans about the existence of another thread?

Maybe I should post a poll in an attempt to validate my life.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What's more spammy, a thread that has honest discussion about player X, or a thread that #####es and moans about the existence of another thread?Maybe I should post a poll in an attempt to validate my life.

Yeah, maybe we could have a few more "Should player X make the HOF?" Doesn't that make you want to barf after awhile? Maybe some more threads complaining about officials. However, next time I will take Wadsworth's advice on spreading out when they're posted.

 

[Chachi]

What we really need from people is the truth about what's wrong with these players, in such a way that it doesn't get burried in all the drool for them.

Do me a favor and give me the links to the threads on Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings, DHB. It's kind of weak that these players don't have any threads about their strengths or overall play but yet they have a negative thread. And Hoss, you thinking i'm a glass half empty person is pretty funny but it goes to show that the internet/reality are two totally different things.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I don't see a problem. If enough people don't like them, they will quickly fall off the front page and disappear.

 

[Despyzer]

This thread is really not necessary. I can understand if there was already a threads on how good of an idea this was. There isn't to my knowledge a "Thread X opinions" thread and there sure as heck isn't a "What do you like about the What do you not like about Player X" thread. Why did someone come up with the idea of whining about a "What do you NOT like" thread for threads that don't have any threads on them to begin with. If you want to discuss a thread then fine, have Thread X opinions, I'll contribute. Why say "Let's trash this thread, what negatives do you see" for threads that have no threads to their credit to begin with.

 

[Futeki]

It's way too easy to love on a player, and harder to talk about the negatives. I find that I can be a lot more productive employee if I'm told what I can improve on rather than kissing my a--. I already know what's good about these rookies, so I can make a better judgement on them if I don't get caught up in the good, but also consider the bad. Some like these thread and some don't. It doesn't matter to me. Sorry you had to make a thread about this, but I thought you would like these threads since you're a glass half empty kind of guy.

I agree and like your idea, Hoss.Of course everyone would like a full, true discussion about a player. Those are hard with all of the love fests.

 

[coolnerd]

I like the idea a lot. Maybe just start a couple a day next year. The threads don't bother me but starting so many at once was annoying. After all we have plenty of time to look at the rookies, there's no need ot rush.

Good idea. I will definitely remember what you said.

I like the idea of player threads for each prospect and did not have a problem with the negative slant over a positive one. I would like to see you have a single thread that links all of them together, so that there is a master thead for me to remember and to point to those who want dynasty rookie discussion.

 

[thatguy]

It seems to me that the negatives and positives of all of these players have been discussed in depth in other threads already: the mock drafts, the dynasty rookie rankings, etc. You may have to sift through more posts to find the info you're looking for, but it worked for me.

I just don't see these "love fests" you speak of. A few guys might drool over a player, but then others will come in and state reasons for disagreeing.

All that said, I don't see a problem with these threads, but I doubt they'll bring any new insights to the board, at least nothing that hasn't been shared elsewhere.

In any case, I also think that just because a thread may ask for a player's negatives, many posters will state positives for a given player as well so you're not really doing away with these so called "love fests".

 

[madd futher]

I LIKE your idea, Hoss, for the same reason you mentioned. I can find some balanced scouting reports, but most do emphasize the positives too much. When we focus on only the negatives, we just might find the nugget of info that causes us to re-think or review video on that player. Most of us only get to watch highlight films. Highlight film often overstates the good and you have to look hard to find the bad.. Also, comprehensive threads about a player tend too often to degenerate to one person's vs another argument without much substance or a 'herd mentality' group lovefest or hatefest.

There are a lot of 'fair and balanced' (to coin a new term) player scouting reports out on the web right now and there will be many more closer to the draft - and by some very good analysts of rookie talent. That's great.

But focusing on "What don't you like?" is something different and useful in that it can be very thought provoking IMHO. So count me in the minority who disagree with Chachi.

I voted on "I only want the negatives", but in reality - IT'S ALL GOOD. (too bad there was no ballot for that one!).

 

[Avery]

These threads are really not necessary. I can understand if there was already numerous threads on Player X. There isn't to my knowledge a "Player X scouting thread" on any player and there sure as heck isn't a "What do you like about Player X" thread. Why did someone come up with the idea of posting 20 "What do you NOT like" threads for guys who don't have any threads on them to begin with. There are a couple exceptions of threads on players like a Wells vs. Moreno thread but still no specific threads on rookie prospects. Really when I came here tonight it looked like a giant spambomb hit FBG. If you want to discuss a player then fine, have Player X scouting reports, I'll contribute. Why spam 20 threads and say "Let's trash this guy, what negatives do you see" for players who have no threads to their credit to begin with.

I respect the effort for it's trying to actually add some knowledge and real football discussion to the pool. Something that is always needed, especially in the off-seasonHaving said that I agree with Chachi here and was going to post about it in one of the early Hoss threads but I didn't want to come off as overtly critical just for the sake of criticizing. Especially for someone who doesn't know boatloads about the college players, I don't find these threads any more useful then one designed to just fawn over players. Furthermore, I don't see the difference between a thread like this and a thread where people are just drooling over a player. I need both sides of the story to try to come to a conclusion on a player and neither type of thread provides that.

 

[ratbast]

I like this fresh approach. It's not like posters can't debate the negatives and have positives shine through?

If one thread gets all kinds of negatives and not much counter debate then perhaps the hype machine in most other forms is ignoring the factors presented and FBG will benefit from the discussion when it comes to rooks.

There's also a reasonable chance that the threads turn into an irrational bashing. We will have to take the cumulative results and weigh in like any other thread.

Actually there might not be that much of a difference except the people downplaying the player won't be the enemy of the post and be on the defensive, a role reversal of such, and it might actually work to filter the hype machine that runs through the normal strategies pre NFL and FFL draft.

I bet it works.

 

[comfortably numb]

I agree, i also get annoyed with several threads that can lead to valuable discussion on prospects.

I personally would prefer more threads about the refs giving the Steelers another Superbowl victory.

 

[Tecmo]

I like the threads, just too many came out at once. There is way too much love for the top prospects. Barely any flaws being discussed beyond the top-5 prospects. I find it hard to find flaws in star college players, they all look good. I appreciate a negative opinion. It gives you something to check out and specifically look for

As much as I appreciate the negative opinions moreso, these threads should include positives too. There is plenty of positives not being discussed

 

[NattyDread]

I LIKE your idea, Hoss, for the same reason you mentioned. I can find some balanced scouting reports, but most do emphasize the positives too much. When we focus on only the negatives, we just might find the nugget of info that causes us to re-think or review video on that player. Most of us only get to watch highlight films. Highlight film often overstates the good and you have to look hard to find the bad.. Also, comprehensive threads about a player tend too often to degenerate to one person's vs another argument without much substance or a 'herd mentality' group lovefest or hatefest. There are a lot of 'fair and balanced' (to coin a new term) player scouting reports out on the web right now and there will be many more closer to the draft - and by some very good analysts of rookie talent. That's great. But focusing on "What don't you like?" is something different and useful in that it can be very thought provoking IMHO. So count me in the minority who disagree with Chachi.I voted on "I only want the negatives", but in reality - IT'S ALL GOOD. (too bad there was no ballot for that one!).

Agreed. Information about downside to me is just as important about upside. We have a lot of info about the latter on these boards, but not as much regarding the former.