What do you not like about Shonn Greene? (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The negative thread about Greene. I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?

 

[MAC_32]

Liability in the passing game, both blocking and receiving.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Is he a one year wonder?

only 11 career catches?

 

[Tecmo]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

 

[twr]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

 

[EBF]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

 

[MAC_32]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

He won't make people miss by being shifty, but he is deceptively slippery for a north-south back. He slips out of a lot more tackles than you'd think.

 

[DeCleater]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

ANYONE?How do rush for 1700 yards and not make anyone miss. Try this.

 

[T Bell]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

 

[MAC_32]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

I think he's more powerful then Rudi, but it's a fair comparison.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Is he a one year wonder?

No. He was injured in 2006, then flunked out of school in 2007. The talent is definitely real, although you could question his motivation.Shonn Greene history

 

[Spartans Rule]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Being Rudi Johnson isn't such a bad thing. He had some pretty solid years.Not being a factor in the passing game does limit Greene's upside, especially in PPR leagues, but he could be a 300-carry workhorse like Rudi.

 

[lyon812]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Depends what you're looking for. Rudi had many viable fantasy years.

 

[T Bell]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Being Rudi Johnson isn't such a bad thing. He had some pretty solid years.Not being a factor in the passing game does limit Greene's upside, especially in PPR leagues, but he could be a 300-carry workhorse like Rudi.

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Depends what you're looking for. Rudi had many viable fantasy years.

I'm not putting down on Rudi Johnson, but most teams have a Rudi Johnson on their roster. The point with that comment is that a guy like Rudi needs to be in a perfect situation (good offense around him; no other viable RB's to contend with; stays healthy) to be a reliable fantasy producer. If any one of those factors goes south, he's in trouble and even more talented guys can have problems being fantasy performers (see Jonathan Stewart, for example). There are very few teams that Greene could land with where I'd view him as being a likely fantasy starter any time soon. I credit Rudi for squeezing every bit of performance out of his talent, but we shouldn't simply ignore that his stats were by and large better than his talent during his glory years and very much a product of his situation.

 

[moderated]

looks like he's running in sand.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Why? Johnson had plenty of productive years before the pounding caught up with him. The same should be expected of Green. Power backs like Johnson, Lewis, and George have shorter shelf lives.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Being Rudi Johnson isn't such a bad thing. He had some pretty solid years.Not being a factor in the passing game does limit Greene's upside, especially in PPR leagues, but he could be a 300-carry workhorse like Rudi.

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Depends what you're looking for. Rudi had many viable fantasy years.

I'm not putting down on Rudi Johnson, but most teams have a Rudi Johnson on their roster. The point with that comment is that a guy like Rudi needs to be in a perfect situation (good offense around him; no other viable RB's to contend with; stays healthy) to be a reliable fantasy producer. If any one of those factors goes south, he's in trouble and even more talented guys can have problems being fantasy performers (see Jonathan Stewart, for example). There are very few teams that Greene could land with where I'd view him as being a likely fantasy starter any time soon. I credit Rudi for squeezing every bit of performance out of his talent, but we shouldn't simply ignore that his stats were by and large better than his talent during his glory years and very much a product of his situation.

That's a fair point. Rudi wasn't the most talented back and all the Bengals needed was a guy to run into the line and gain his 3-5 yards in order to keep wear defenses down and keep them honest.Then again Green could be drafted by Cinicnnati.

 

[thatguy]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Being Rudi Johnson isn't such a bad thing. He had some pretty solid years.Not being a factor in the passing game does limit Greene's upside, especially in PPR leagues, but he could be a 300-carry workhorse like Rudi.

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Depends what you're looking for. Rudi had many viable fantasy years.

I'm not putting down on Rudi Johnson, but most teams have a Rudi Johnson on their roster. The point with that comment is that a guy like Rudi needs to be in a perfect situation (good offense around him; no other viable RB's to contend with; stays healthy) to be a reliable fantasy producer. If any one of those factors goes south, he's in trouble and even more talented guys can have problems being fantasy performers (see Jonathan Stewart, for example). There are very few teams that Greene could land with where I'd view him as being a likely fantasy starter any time soon. I credit Rudi for squeezing every bit of performance out of his talent, but we shouldn't simply ignore that his stats were by and large better than his talent during his glory years and very much a product of his situation.

That's a fair point. Rudi wasn't the most talented back and all the Bengals needed was a guy to run into the line and gain his 3-5 yards in order to keep wear defenses down and keep them honest.Then again Green could be drafted by Cinicnnati.

I think they already have that guy in Benson.

 

[Jack Burton]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

Why? Johnson had plenty of productive years before the pounding caught up with him. The same should be expected of Green. Power backs like Johnson, Lewis, and George have shorter shelf lives.

You call eight productive years in the NFL a short shelf life. Maybe for a Kicker but not a RB.

 

[madd futher]

I see him being more than an 'adequate' NFL runner but not an uber-stud. I see a cross between Michael Turner and Rudi Johnson. Lacks receiving skills so at this stage he is more of a 2 down back, and may always be a 2 downer.

 

[kremenull]

Can u say Antwain Smith (former Bills draft pick)......With regards to running style, limited upside, and age (24 entering NFL), Greene reminds me a lot of Antwain Smith....Sure, a decent NFL runner who had a couple of nice seasons, but nothing to get me excited about

 

[RustyFA2]

He will be a two down RB and has bad hands.

 

[humans_being]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

ANYONE?How do rush for 1700 yards and not make anyone miss. Try this.

:36 is a beautiful thing.

What don't i like about him? Probably the fact that he is no longer flying under the radar.

 

[zed2283]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

ANYONE?How do rush for 1700 yards and not make anyone miss. Try this.

1:46 was a great run.

 

[teamramrod]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

ANYONE?How do rush for 1700 yards and not make anyone miss. Try this.

Check the run at about 40 seconds. Barry Sanders would have scored. He was caught from behind. Nuff saidPeace

 

[humans_being]

my first impression was he plays at 1 speed, I'd say he needs more burst through the hole too

I read he has good acceleration, which I take to mean through the hole, but no 2nd gear to outrun anyone.

never saw him make ANYONE miss. hes a grinder type of back... if he falls in with the right team he could be successful, but i can think of 7 other guys i would draft before him.

ANYONE?How do rush for 1700 yards and not make anyone miss. Try this.

LOL @ Barry Sanders reference. 2:07, he doesn't get caught from behind. Nuff said.

 

[Bob Magaw]

in dynasty leagues, you are getting a 24 year old rookie... though as a RB, if he has the goods he could be playing pretty soon if he falls into the right situation...

i think he ran a pedestrian 40 time at combine, but greatly improved at pro day (4.4?)...

as to the rudi comp... didn't green have phenomenal explosiveness measurables, including something like a 39" vertical... no idea what johnson did in his prime, but he didn't seem like an especially explosive guy (he did hit the hole hard, though, & kept answering the bell for a few years)...

 

[Raider Nation]

Good power. Good feet. Good frame. Decent burst.

He's Rudi Johnson. Plug him in and he'll give you some yards. Don't expect any big plays though.

Interesting comparison, and one that should give any Greene enthusiast some pause.

I think he's more powerful then Rudi, but it's a fair comparison.

I think he compares better to Natrone Means.

 

[Raider Nation]

The boys at NBC compare him to FatDale.

 

[EBF]

The boys at NBC compare him to FatDale.

He's a better athlete than LenWhale. White wouldn't even work out before the draft. If he had, he probably would've bombed.

 

[tdmills]

I feel as if this is the most overrated rookie in FF.

1) Not an elite talent

2) He is 24

3) Produced for only 1 year at Iowa

4) Not a good pass catcher

5) Has to compete with two vets that are solid Tjones(4 straight 1,100 yard rushing seasons) and Washington(450 yards last year and almost 50 catches).

6) Only threat on the outside is Cotchery so defenses will be more stacked.

7) Lost Favre and added Sanchez....will only hurt the running game.

 

[gregjcross]

I feel as if this is the most overrated rookie in FF.1) Not an elite talent2) He is 243) Produced for only 1 year at Iowa4) Not a good pass catcher5) Has to compete with two vets that are solid Tjones(4 straight 1,100 yard rushing seasons) and Washington(450 yards last year and almost 50 catches).6) Only threat on the outside is Cotchery so defenses will be more stacked.7) Lost Favre and added Sanchez....will only hurt the running game.

Greene Seems like an ok prospect as a later draft pick, where you get what you get. People get more excited about elusive backs, like MoDrew who can also show power. Greene is probably a grinder who could luck into a goal line role down the road.

 

[EBF]

I feel as if this is the most overrated rookie in FF.1) Not an elite talent2) He is 243) Produced for only 1 year at Iowa4) Not a good pass catcher5) Has to compete with two vets that are solid Tjones(4 straight 1,100 yard rushing seasons) and Washington(450 yards last year and almost 50 catches).6) Only threat on the outside is Cotchery so defenses will be more stacked.7) Lost Favre and added Sanchez....will only hurt the running game.

Greene Seems like an ok prospect as a later draft pick, where you get what you get. People get more excited about elusive backs, like MoDrew who can also show power. Greene is probably a grinder who could luck into a goal line role down the road.

I think he'll be more than a goal line back. I think he's the favorite to be starting for the Jets in 2010. I don't think he's overrated at all. He's a nice value at his ADP in rookie drafts and in startups.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I don't like he's strictly a two-down back as a rookie because blocking and catching are his weak points. He'll get better and is in a great situation to become a 1200-yard back, but it's not likely as a rookie.

 

[Chief Papabear]

many people don't realize he came in last year very out of shape and shed a LOT of weight over the season. talking 20-30 lbs, so his quickness improved quite a bit toward the end of the season, he can be deceptive in his cuts. compare his proday #'s to adrian peterson's(minus the 40) if you want to see what he might eventually be capable of. don't take that as an anointment, i just think he could still improve if he stays motivated.

one thing i noticed is he has a tendency to lose yards by making himself fall by leaning too far forward, but it looks great when he hits someone.

i think he'll be comparable to LJ in a couple years, although he may actually have better vision. lj needs a good line

edit: i guess i didn't really follow the op's rules, just reading these responses i got caught up a bit. so ya... he's slow.

 

[weasel3515]

Negatives on Greene from an Iowa fan:

1. Doesn't have top gear for breakaway TDs (got faster as the season ended as he slimmed down and had one long breakaway TD but it was against a slow Wisconsin defense).

2. Hands are very suspect. Not involved in the passing game at Iowa although that may have been by the design of Ken O'Keefe, the OC.

3. When he wore down earlier in the season he fumbled a few times in critical situations.

Positives:

1. Is actually a much better blocker than most give him credit.

2. Can make defenders miss-watch tape of the Outback Bowl for some sweet, shifty moves that left S.Carolina defenders grabbing their jockstraps.

3. Has a very good burst to the hole. While his 40-time is not great, there are few Chris Johnson-type runs in the NFL. The Rudi Johnson comparison is very apt, as is one to Steven Davis early in his career.

Lastly, he is clearly not the most overhyped rookie, that distinction belongs to Chris "Beanie" Wells. Wells has never played a full season without getting injured, shies away from contact, and is not a good blocker.

This rookie RB class has to be the thinnest in recent memory for an impact player, IMHO.

 

[T Bell]

Negatives on Greene from an Iowa fan:1. Doesn't have top gear for breakaway TDs (got faster as the season ended as he slimmed down and had one long breakaway TD but it was against a slow Wisconsin defense).2. Hands are very suspect. Not involved in the passing game at Iowa although that may have been by the design of Ken O'Keefe, the OC.3. When he wore down earlier in the season he fumbled a few times in critical situations.Positives:1. Is actually a much better blocker than most give him credit.2. Can make defenders miss-watch tape of the Outback Bowl for some sweet, shifty moves that left S.Carolina defenders grabbing their jockstraps.3. Has a very good burst to the hole. While his 40-time is not great, there are few Chris Johnson-type runs in the NFL. The Rudi Johnson comparison is very apt, as is one to Steven Davis early in his career.Lastly, he is clearly not the most overhyped rookie, that distinction belongs to Chris "Beanie" Wells. Wells has never played a full season without getting injured, shies away from contact, and is not a good blocker.This rookie RB class has to be the thinnest in recent memory for an impact player, IMHO.

Just out of curiosity, because you're an Iowa fan, how would you compare him to Ladell Betts? I already know Betts has much better hands as a receiver, so what other similarities or differences do you see?

 

[switz]

The negative thread about Greene. I will create threads about a few of the players in the 2009 draft. Why should I not draft this guy in my dynasty rookie draft?

Reminds me A LOT of Antowain Smith. Should become a serviceable RB, but not a game breaker, or a long term solution for any team.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

The way he spells his name is atrocious.

 

[bonesman]

The way he spells his name is atrocious.

I find it sooving to the ears.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I don't like he's strictly a two-down back as a rookie because blocking and catching are his weak points. He'll get better and is in a great situation to become a 1200-yard back, but it's not likely as a rookie.

What do you see him doing this season, Matt, assuming that Jones and Washington are on the team by training camp? JC

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't like he's strictly a two-down back as a rookie because blocking and catching are his weak points. He'll get better and is in a great situation to become a 1200-yard back, but it's not likely as a rookie.

What do you see him doing this season, Matt, assuming that Jones and Washington are on the team by training camp? JC

Good question....especially now that I've drafted him, I ought to find out what's expected from him. I'm interested to hear your reply Matt.

 

[jwb]

I don't like he's strictly a two-down back as a rookie because blocking and catching are his weak points. He'll get better and is in a great situation to become a 1200-yard back, but it's not likely as a rookie.

What do you see him doing this season, Matt, assuming that Jones and Washington are on the team by training camp? JC

Good question....especially now that I've drafted him, I ought to find out what's expected from him. I'm interested to hear your reply Matt.

I'm not Matt, but as a Jet Homer, I think the absolute worst we see from him is the 2006 version of Jacobs - basically a short yardage TD vulture. But realistically, I think we'll see more yards than Jacobs got that year. My prediction if Jones is in the mix: 300-500 yards, 7-10 TD's. If Jones isn't? 1,000+ and 12-15 TD's is easily within reach.

I kinda see him as a very low-risk guy, even with Jones around for a year.

 

[mdog1967]

I feel as if this is the most overrated rookie in FF.

1) Not an elite talent

2) He is 24

3) Produced for only 1 year at Iowa

4) Not a good pass catcher

5) Has to compete with two vets that are solid Tjones(4 straight 1,100 yard rushing seasons) and Washington(450 yards last year and almost 50 catches).

6) Only threat on the outside is Cotchery so defenses will be more stacked.

7) Lost Favre and added Sanchez....will only hurt the running game.

Greene Seems like an ok prospect as a later draft pick, where you get what you get. People get more excited about elusive backs, like MoDrew who can also show power. Greene is probably a grinder who could luck into a goal line role down the road.

I think he'll be more than a goal line back. I think he's the favorite to be starting for the Jets in 2010. I don't think he's overrated at all. He's a nice value at his ADP in rookie drafts and in startups.

EBF one of the few times I'm gonna disagree with you, sort of. I think he is overrated for his dynasty draft position and for the Jets fibbing and saying he was their top rated back. He reminds me more of a smaller Jerome Bettis than Rudi Johnson. I like the way in ran in college and he was effective in that offense. I don't see him escaping NFL lineman let alone out running the secondary. I believe if he were in a successful zone blocking scheme he would have some measurable success, I don't think he has near enough vision or lateral quickness. I think he has enough talent to make a fine backup, but I think the Jets are going to have to acquire another back to have a solid running game in 2010. (I love Washington I just don't see him taking a full load for sixteen games.)Why he could succeed: Squares his shoulders up field quickly, not afraid of contact actually seems to initiate contact ala AP, Running back coaches can teach technique and dudes can learn to block and catch. He's got his work cut out for him but maybe?

Im not gonna pick this guy up in the first round of dynasty drafts unless I own Leon Washington.

 

[bonesman]

. He reminds me more of a smaller Jerome Bettis than Rudi Johnson.

Wow! That's supposed to be a BAD thing!?!Bettis hardly relied on solely his size for his success... and he was VERY successful... far more than Rudi Johnson ever was.

 

[mdog1967]

. He reminds me more of a smaller Jerome Bettis than Rudi Johnson.

Wow! That's supposed to be a BAD thing!?!Bettis hardly relied on solely his size for his success... and he was VERY successful... far more than Rudi Johnson ever was.

No I don't think its a bad thing to be compared to any successful NFL RB, I just see more Bettis than Johnson. I also believe that Bettis was on the perfect team to take advantage of his skill set. Im in no way emphatically saying Greene wont do well, I'm just less enthusiastic about his chances to succeed than other folks.Hey let me just add for what its worth, I thought William Green was going to be the next Walter Payton when Cleveland drafted him. We all know how that worked out.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Reminds me A LOT of Antowain Smith. Should become a serviceable RB, but not a game breaker, or a long term solution for any team.

Bingo. That's absolutely the best parallel IMO. Nice call.

 

[EBF]

Watch the clips against Purdue (starting at about 2:45) and I think you'll see that his speed is better than advertised.

He's not explosive enough to be a dominant pro, but he should be a solid RB2 in FF leagues.

I think he's better than Antowain Smith and worse than Michael Turner. In terms of style he's similar to both.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

He's a Jet, meaning he is destined to fall under the Jets' Curse and fail, as all Jets eventually do...